* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Colress. Was he clearly in league with Ghetsis wanting to destroy Unova for the sake of discovering the power of Pokémon or was his "personal intellectual curiosity" (as Ghetsis said) what he was really out for and wanting Unova to be for the better?
* AnnoyingVideoGameHelper: Now manifests in Bianca, who drags you halfway across the starting town in order to push you through one of the series' traditional forced tutorials.
* AntiClimaxBoss:
** Champion Iris, as all her Pokémon are either weak to type coverage that's relatively simple to obtain, are very slow and easy to get in hits against, or both. Most of them also lack overly powerful movesets (i.e. her main Pokémon, which [[ArtificialStupidity almost always opts to use Earthquake instead of its primary STAB move when both have neutral coverage]]). On Challenge Mode, however, her movesets are drastically redesigned and can hit much harder, but there's still the first two points. At least on Normal Mode, she should be nothing you can't handle if you can get through the hordes of trainers in Victory Road and Route 23 before the Pokémon League and are high leveled enough.
** The boss battle against Kyurem. Being a Legendary Dragon that absorbed the version mascot would make you think quite a challenge awaits you, especially considering they have the highest (Special) Attack stat of any non-event Pokémon in this generation. Except this game is loaded with the some of the strongest Fighting-types in the game, including the Mienfoo line, the Musketeer trio and the Riolu line. And all of them have high attacking power and, with the exception of Lucario, all of them are faster than Kyurem. The only reason this battle isn't outright AntiClimaxBoss is because it is followed by the battle against [[ThatOneBoss Ghetsis]].
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[AwesomeMusic/{{Pokemon}} Look here]].
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** The new protagonists. Nate especially, most likely due to not looking as "cool" as Hilbert. He has also become a full-on [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] for some due to a hyperactive, immature-looking manga sketch of him being confused for the official artwork (and the scarcity of details at the moment). For others, [[FanNickname Palm Tree]] is seen as a total bro.
** Whether Iris being the new champion was a good move or not is still being contested. [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} Her anime counterpart]], who is very polarizing herself, probably affected fan reactions as well.
** Black Kyurem. When its design was revealed, fans called it {{Badass}} and [[{{Gonk}} ugly]] in roughly equal numbers. To a lesser extent, the fact that it is the only [[OlympusMons Title Legendary]] considered legal in standard play by Website/{{Smogon}}, apart from Suicune.
** Both forms of Kyurem got mixed reception. On the one hand, they have the highest base stat totals after [[{{God}} Arceus]], not counting Mega Evolutions and Primal Reversions. On the other hand, many think their asymmetrical, complicated designs don't do justice to the highly popular Reshiram and Zekrom required to create them.
%%** Hugh is hated by a lot of people who think his character arc is cliché, and are annoyed by the fact that he barely fights you during the main game. But he ''does'' have his fans, so hes not a full-on [[TheScrappy scrappy]].
* BestBossEver: The final battle against Champion Iris whilst not especially hard (see AnticlimaxBoss above), is insanely awesome, from the amazing background (which is something like fighting on a stream of lights against a starry sky) to the energetic music and the battle itself as she has a whole team of pretty tough Pokémon which can be incredibly fun to battle against, especially on Challenge Mode where those Pokémon get buffed up with items and 100-120 and even 150 power STAB attacks.
* BonusFeatureFailure:
** The Nature Preserve, unlocked after seeing all Pokémon in the new Unova Pokédex, is touted as having a bunch of rare Pokémon... but the only Pokémon there that you can't already find elsewhere (and that includes the shiny Haxorus, since you could conceivably find a shiny Axew and evolve it all the way) are Magikarp, Gyarados, and Nuzleaf, which COULD be useful if you hadn't already beaten the game.
** While due to unfortunate circumstances beyond Game Freak's control, ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are infamous for heavily relying on Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection for many of their features, but for only having those features actually usable for ''one and a half years''.[[note]]Actually slightly under 2 years in Japan.[[/note]] ''Black'' and ''White'' also suffer from this, but they were at least active for longer, while the Generation IV games have been less crippled in comparison due to their lower reliance on Internet features.
* BreatherBoss:
** Once again, Skyla is a huge pushover, especially considering there are a lot more options for Electric-types much earlier in the game this time.
** Any difficulty Roxie poses early on gets virtually thrown out the window once the player acquires a Magnemite, which are quite easy to find right outside of her local town. On Challenge Mode she gets a Grimer with the moves Mud-Slap (which is doubly super effective against Magnemite and lowers accuracy, and Sonicboom can be iffy with that) and Disable (which can disable the last move you use), but it's still more than doable.
** Marlon comes in the middle of the end game after several difficult battles against Drayden, Hugh, and Team Plasma, and ends up being much easier than the aforementioned battles due to his much more exploitable team. The only real cause of concern is the bulky nature of his Jellicent and Carracosta, and even then, it's only an issue of being walled rather than being at a genuine disadvantage.
* BrokenBase:
** The fact that they're sequels instead of a single UpdatedRerelease. A pleasantly surprising change in the formula, or proof that Game Freak is finally out of ideas and has to rely on sequels?
** Not to mention the people who were hoping the next installment would appear on the Nintendo3DS.
** More traditionally, which cover picture looks better.
** The decision on Colress's name. It was originally Akuroma, which was romanized to Achroma. Achroma would make logical sense and still sounds English enough (derived from achromatic), but it was revealed that his name was actually Corless. It still sounded good enough, and is derived from colourless. ''Then'', it turns out that Corless was a typo, and his name is now known as Colress, as revealed by an English trailer. While it's just a simple switch of two letters, it doesn't roll off the tongue as well.
** The revelation that the Shadow Triad are not the Striaton Trio. Some fans still insist that they are, despite the flashback that shows them all together. Some fans seem to believe that [[UnreliableExpositor the Striaton Trio were just lying]].
** The voice acting in the [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkTsd0iU97s&feature=player_embedded#! English version of the animated trailer]] has caused this. While some fans like the English dub just fine, others either found the dub too over dramatic or claim the dub gave characters awful voices and awful dialogue even to characters who got good voices. It's also possibly starting another meme: "I'M ABOUT TO UNLEASH MY RAGE".
** Others just wanted the male protagonist's voice actor to stay as [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Sora]].
** The Rival, Hugh. When artwork of him was first shown, almost everyone fell in love with how badass he looked, with some expecting a return to the classic {{Jerkass}} rivals from the old days. When they began revealing his role in the games however, opinions on him started getting very divided among the fandom. Some praised him for being the first rival in the series with a fleshed out backstory and whose motivation wasn't to just beat the player character and be the stronger trainer. Others were disappointed that all he seemed to care about was Team Plasma and wasn't much of a rival, fighting alongside you more times than against you throughout the main story.
** Iris, the gym leader in the first ''White'' game/Drayden's apprentice in ''Black'' is now the games' new champion, dressing like a fancy Franchise/DisneyPrincess and giving off a roar in her sprite animation before she battles you. There's a legion of fans who love this, while others argue that Iris is too bratty to actually deserve the title, claiming Alder, Marshal or even Drayden himself more fitting for the title. Her theme is either refreshingly upbeat compared to the intense themes of champions past or unfitting MagicalGirl anime music that serves as the worst Champion theme ever.
** Yancy and Curtis. On one side they are liked for being the non-generic NPC love interest to the protagonists while actually benefiting the players who don't have any access to GTS. On another side they are disliked by the players that didn't even know that ''[[GuideDangIt they exist]]''. Their huge popularity makes matters worse for the latter group, making them hate the aforementioned duo and [[FanonDiscontinuity disregard their existence in their headcanon]].
** Pokéstar Studios. It's either a waste of time like the Pokémon Musical that players desperately try to get through in the main storyline as quickly as possible (even if it means completely butchering the mandatory first film and looking like a complete joke) and never return again, or it's an addicting side feature that the player will have a blast making movies with for amusement. And that brings us to...
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* ClicheStorm: The movies in general. Stereotypical villains, strange machines with weird powers, giant monsters and the like, a stereotypically selfless protagonist; you name any old movie cliché, Pokéstar Studios most likely has it. Based on the [[{{Narm}} sheer]] [[HamAndCheese cheesiness]] of the movies and the [[ComicalOverreacting gross overreactions]] of the fans, it's likely this is [[NarmCharm intentional]].
* ContestedSequel: In two respects. Most fans argue that these games [[ToughActToFollow don't live up to]] ''Pokémon Black'' and ''Pokémon White'' story-wise, but that the much larger Pokédex and plethora of postgame features more than make up for it. Additionally, while many dedicated Pokémon fans consider ''Pokémon Black 2'' and ''Pokémon White 2'' to be among the best games in the series (maybe even the best overall), some fans of the older generations (especially [[FirstInstallmentWins Gen I]]) pass them over, since the focus is still on Gen V's Pokémon and characters despite the presence of many older Pokémon and appearances by characters from other regions (including in the PWT).[[note]]To drive this point home, no starters and mascot legendaries are available in the game besides Unova's [[NoExceptYes except via Dream Radar if the player owns any Generation IV game]], unlike in other generations where later games (most obviously Generations III, IV and VI) would give access to previous generations' starters and mascot or "Uber" legendaries.[[/note]] Additionally, reviews at the time occasionally argued that the games didn't do much to innovate and were just "more of the same"; most of the praise for ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' comes from features and options that are appreciated more by hardcore fans than casual players, creating a divide similar to the franchise's own CasualCompetitiveConflict - especially since these games have a FandomRivalry with ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' and their more casual-leaning fanbase.
* CriticalDissonance: These games are the worst-reviewed main series Pokémon games and are also among the lowest-selling,[[note]]although like all mainline ''Pokémon'' games, they have positive reviews and [[CashCowFranchise enormous sales]] overall, just less than the other entries[[/note]] and are often passed over by casual ''Pokémon'' fans and mainstream outlets. However, some VocalMinority communities (particularly [[ImageBoards /vp/]]) believe ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' to be among the series' best for the sheer amount of postgame content and features, making them a sort of CultClassic relative to the other main series Pokémon games.
* EarWorm:
** In the Japanese version for Roxie's Gym: D - O - G - A - R - S - Dogars! The English version changes it to the still catchy: P - O - K - E - M - ON - Pokémon!
** The music in the Nimbasa Gym, especially the remixed gym theme.
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Roxie, the new Poison-type Gym Leader, has been especially well-received by the fandom.
** Yancy and Curtis. Despite meeting them being completely optional, they are very well-liked by many players largely for serving as an actual ({{Implied|LoveInterest}}) {{Love Interest|s}} to Nate/Rosa.
** The Therian Kami trio were well-liked by fans upon release, for being the first "minor" legendary trio consisting of three different and unique animals, and for being new forms for the UndergroundMonkey Incarnate Kami Trio.
%%* EvilIsCool: Colress.
* EvilIsSexy:
** Colress.
** The Shadow Triad, now that they appear to be less androgynous and more masculine.
** Magic Queen Bellelba, played by Kanto Gym Leader Sabrina, of all people, who is just about equally as attractive (and equally evil [[Manga/PokemonAdventures in some]] [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} adaptations]]).
* FandomRivalry: With ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY''. As usual, ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' are disliked by some fans of the older generations (especially Gen I), including the stereotypical "genwunners". However, ''X'' and ''Y'' were able to WinBackTheCrowd by deliberately [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to fans of older generations]], giving the older-gen fans a new game to praise over ''Black 2'' and ''White 2''. Meanwhile, fans of ''[=B2W2=]'' find ''X'' and ''Y'' to be far inferior, and dislike how it was able to garner so much more praise so easily merely by pandering to older-gen fans. This, in turn, causes fans of ''XY'' to accuse the ''[=B2W2=]'' fanbase of completely dismissing how [[NostalgiaFilter nostalgia]] and PanderingToTheBase can affect one's enjoyment of a game, labeling them as nostalgia-hating "Newgenners" or even "Unovabortions", and so forth.
* FanDislikedExplanation:
** [[spoiler: N is confirmed to not be Ghetsis's real son, and wasn't stolen from his real parents either.]] [[BrokenBase Some fans]] find this to be a rather underwhelming reveal after the climax of the last game.
** The Shadow Triad are not the Striaton Trio, as evidenced by the flashback that shows all of them together in one room. [[BrokenBase Some fans are not happy with this]], and insist that [[UnreliableExpositor the trio was just lying]]. It doesn't help that the Triad themselves admit they had no real reason for visiting; they may as well have said they're just showing up to {{Joss|ed}} the theories.
* GameBreaker:
** You can easily grind up the levels of the shops in Join Avenue as soon as you get there by rapidly trading Magnemite with other players on the GTS, or by simply visiting other people via the Dream World. With just a few dojos/diners and the [[MoneyForNothing giant surplus of money]] you usually get in Pokémon games (Amulet Coin helps), you can remove any semblance of effort from the rest of the game.
** They even put some legit infinite money locations for good measure. You can buy a bundle of 12 Castelia Cones daily in any season other than winter for 1200 and sell them to the maid in the caravan west of Nimbasa city for 2000 ''a pop'' for a total profit of 22800 pokebucks a day. Still need more? You can get unlimited Moomoo Milks from Driftveil City and sell them to the same maid for a 400 profit per each. That's Supply And Demand 101 for you.
** Another good money fountain, provided you were playing with it long enough, is Pokéstar Studios. Specifically, increasing your star ranking results in more fans. The notable people for this would be the Backpacker, Ace Trainer, Old Lady, and the Tennis Player. On every strange ending that isn't the final movie, you get 5 Lava Cookies from the Backpacker and 5 Old Gateaux from the others. This is where the Cash comes in: They all sell for 4000 each, which is about 20,000 for the cookies and 60,000 for the Gateaux. Furthermore, there is no daily wait and some strange endings on available movies are 1-2 scenes at the shortest. Then there are the free Hyper Potions and Moomoo Milks, which are great healing items.
** The easy infinite money could be considered a GameBreaker on its own. While it's fairly easy to earn money in Pokémon games, the money fountains in these games makes it considerably easier to buy the more expensive [=TMs=].
** Just like the Arceus event in ''Pokémon [=HeartGold=]'' and ''Pokémon [=SoulSilver=]'', playing on a Nintendo 3DS and using Pokémon Dream Radar with a Generation IV game lets you get a Level 5 [[OlympusMons Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Lugia or Ho-Oh]] for use in the game with its Hidden Ability[[note]]which is especially helpful for Ho-Oh and Lugia since they get the very useful Regenerator and Multiscale, respectively[[/note]] and your own Trainer ID,[[note]]which allows the Pokémon to obey you regardless of how many gym badges you have[[/note]] which gives you a very powerful DiscOneNuke that continues to dominate later on in the game since its stats are higher than ''anything'' else you can obtain during the story due to Reshiram/Zekrom and Kyurem being locked away until the postgame. The best part is that this method doesn't rely on the now-defunct Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection or a second DS system, unlike other ways of obtaining older Legendary Pokémon - although the Gen IV games themselves can get fairly expensive, especially the Johto ones.
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Black Kyurem is more popular in the West for being a Kyurem that is fused with the badass manly and ''gigantic-armed'' Zekrom.
* GoddamnedBats:
** Surprisingly subverted with Zubat; although it's back in the regional Dex, it's only found in the Castelia Sewers.
** Pokémon Breeders now will rematch you with the Pokémon levels same as before whenever you walk in front of them. This gets really annoying when you're trying to get through an area you've already been to and beaten the trainers.
* GoodBadBugs:
** As mentioned, Pokémon Breeders will rematch the player if they reenter that route. It also applies to Small Court and Big Stadium. If a Breeder pops up there, one can beat it, get a Rare Candy, leave and come back for another fight and another Rare Candy.
** Like in ''Black and White'', Trick Room doesn't apply to Pokémon who have a Speed of 1809 or higher.
* HilariousInHindsight:
** The day the game came out, some user at [=GameFAQs=] made a thread about how [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/661226-pokemon-black-version-2/63168080 Iris could be the Champion]], hinted by Drayden becoming the seventh Gym Leader. It did. The truly hilarious part of all this was that the second post stated that there was "a 0% chance of this happening". Irony of epic proportions ensued and the quote gained a somewhat memetic status.
** A user at GameFaqs made a thread about [[spoiler:[[http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/661226-pokemon-black-version-2/62929953 how people in the games should be outright attacked or even killed]]]]. Well, it turns out, [[spoiler:Ghetsis tries to have Kyurem freeze the player character alive during the climax]].
** Many people thought that [[http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/661226-/63493024 that very event would be censored in the NA release]] to apply NeverSayDie. Turns out, it was. And then subverted once the Japanese dialogue was retranslated and revealed to be similar to the English dialogue, essentially making this an enforced example.
** Remember [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]]'s publicity stunt with ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DLand''? Good. Remember how Team Plasma is essentially Poké-verse PETA? Yeah. Mix these two facts, and what you get is [[http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2012/10/peta_targets_pokemon_black_and_white_2_in_latest_campaign PETA's new "masterpiece"!]]
** Hacked Pokémon [[FanNickname "Wondertomb" and "Wondereye"]] are Ghost/Dark-types with no weaknesses and [[NoSell Wonder Guard]], effectively making them invulnerable to attacks. Now we have the Majin, the villain of Ghost Eraser which is a Ghost/Dark-type with Wonder Guard.
** Remember [[FusionDance Venustoise]] from the first season of the [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime]]? Many years later, we get actual, similar Pokémon fusions with Black Kyurem and White Kyurem. Adding to this, [[{{Irony}} it's unclear Black and White Kyurem are themselves fusions in the anime's continuity]]...
** One of the few bridges not closed at the start of the game is the Driftveil Drawbridge, the Pokémon World equivalent to the [[UsefulNotes/NewJersey George Washington Bridge]], the bridge at the center of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Lee_lane_closure_scandal Bridgegate]].
* HoYay: If you're playing as a female, the [[GayOption Hiker]] from the previous game shows up at the Ferris wheel. He talks about meeting the person he loved in summer two years ago, then them disappearing without a trace.
** Both this and Les Yay: When recommending shops in the Join Avenue to guests, some will specifically want to go to one with a male or female clerk. Both preferences are not exclusive to any gender.
** Also, while a [[GayOption certain Ferris]] [[UnsettlingGenderReveal wheel date]] for Nate was censored, Rosa's equivalent sure wasn't. The winter guitarist talks about how she can only show her real image around you after singing a love song.
* HypeBacklash: Much like ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTheWindWaker'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius'', some fans feel this way towards ''[=B2W2=]'' due to their [[VindicatedByHistory heavy vindication in the fandom]]. Some even feel that the games are becoming emblematic of "Newgenners",[[note]]essentially the opposite of "Genwunners"; fans who only like newer generations of Pokémon and deride Gen I and any attempts to [[PanderingToTheBase pander to its fans]],[[/note]] as detailed under FandomRivalry above.
* InternetBackdraft: PETA's "parody" above. Fans were ''not'' happy when this appeared the same day of the games' launch, PETA alleging the game promoted animal abuse[[note]]''more than 10 years after the first game was released''[[/note]]. Fans were [[MemeticMutation about to unleash their rage]], pointing out that just as Plasma stole Pokémon from their trainers in order to save them PETA kills 97% of the animals they "rescue". Needless to say, PETA didn't really see or care that Plasma is a huge TakeThat to people like them who want to separate animals and humans, just as the latter wants to separate Pokémon and humans.
* ItsEasySoItSucks:
** Prior to the humongous PowerCreep and the presence of the new Exp. Share in [[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY Generation VI]], these games had arguably gotten it the worst, mostly claiming that "no opponents in the main game are a challenge", especially the Gym Leaders, Elite Four and Champion. But, once again, [[HypocriticalFandom those people might be oblivious to the content that the first two generations had that made them easy to get through]] (Psychic-types and glitches in Gen I, Feraligatr in Gen II, etc).
** This is the main reason why ''White 2'' sells far less than ''Black 2''. The former has access to the Easy Mode key while the latter gets the ever-coveted Challenge Mode key. [[ScrappyMechanic To add insult to injury, these keys can only be obtained after defeating the Elite Four.]]
* JustHereForGodzilla: Some fans who prefer the first set of games mostly play the sequels to keep up with the competitive scene, or to get the new Pokémon formes such as Black/White Kyurem and the Therian Genies.
* MemeticBadass: After the animated trailer, Nate became regarded as the most {{Badass}} protagonist since [[VideoGame/PokemonRedAndBlue Red]].
* MemeticMutation
** The [[ImprobableHairstyle over the top hairstyles]] of the protagonists are starting to reach this.
** Once people began to realize that the new parts of Unova are based on UsefulNotes/NewJersey, the Jersey Shore jokes started flooding in. Poké fist pumps!
*** An English video trailer shows the Rival at Floccesy Ranch challenging the player. What does he say when he challenges them? "Come at me!"
** Both of the newly revealed Gym Leaders; Roxie for her totally bitchin' bass, and Marlon for the tanline around his waist. Marlon's tanline has also resulted in a fair deal of Rule 34.
** A [=CoroCoro=] scan features Volkner and Steven next to each other. Due to the unfortunate placement, it looked like Volkner was grinding up against Steven. Thus, Steven/Volker became a popular pairing on /vp/ within minutes. Also, referring to Steven's [[UnusualEuphemism "steel spoon."]]
** D! O! G! A! R! S! DOGARS!
*** P! O! K! E! M! ON! POKÉMON!
** [[{{Narm}} I'M ABOUT TO UNLEASH MY RAGE]]!
** NOT ACTUAL GAMEPLAY
** However...I DISAGREE!
** You dim-witted...dense...dumb...daft...dippy...dorky...doltish DOOFUS!
** SHUT UP AND BATTLE WITH ME!
* {{Moe}}:
** Many fans adore Rosa's donut-shaped eyes and [[GirlishPigtails cute]] [[OdangoHair hairstyle]].
** Bianca has [[{{Meganekko}} glasses]] now. If there was ever any doubt before...
** Yancy, the girl from the lost Xtransceiver sidequest, is just downright adorable.
* MisBlamed: Before the English release of the games, many non-Japanese-speaking fans mistranslated [[spoiler: Ghetsis's threat to freeze the player alive as a threat to kill him/her by impaling him/her with Kyurem's icicles]], which wouldn't be too [[MoralEventHorizon out-of-character]] [[KnightOfCerebus for him]], and it became very widely accepted that ''that's what actually happens in the game''. This made the English dialogue look like a NeverSayDie {{Bowdleri|se}}zation at first.[[note]]In English: "I'll freeze you solid right here so you can watch my glorious ascent!"; in Japanese: "You will be frozen here and see the end of Unova!"[[/note]] Despite this, in some ways the implications of what happens are ''still'' arguably [[FateWorseThanDeath worse than]] [[AndIMustScream the misconception]]...
* MoralEventHorizon: Ghetsis becomes the first BigBad in the main series' games to ever [[spoiler:try to outright ''physically harm'' the protagonist, attempting to freeze them alive using Kyurem's Glaciate]], with his only reasoning being that he/she was getting in his way. [[spoiler:The original fan assumption that Ghetsis tried to ''kill'' the player in the Japanese version made him look even ''worse'' to some.]]
** [[spoiler:In a way, Ghetsis' attack ''could'' have ended up killing the player. He said he'd "freeze you solid", he never said "freeze you ''alive.''" And Glaciate is a damaging attack, not one meant for giving the Freeze status effect to its opponent. [[note]][[GameplayAndStorySegregation In fact, it can't; it lowers the targets' Speed.]][[/note]] If used on a human, it could freeze that human to death, possibly depending on what body points the icicles hit. And then they'd die a slow, painful, gruesome death too (by freezing, starvation, hypothermia, etc.), because that's the sort of death a sadist like Ghetsis enjoys dealing out. N thankfully arrives to stop this attack on time, but the action solidifies just how depraved, dangerous, and pure evil Ghetsis truly is.]]
** Not only that, but [[spoiler:after Ghetsis fuses Reshiram/Zekrom with Kyurem, he mentions that ''even your Pokémon'' are shaking with rage at his actions...then proceeds to deny it because he believes that, as mere tools, Pokémon aren't supposed to feel anything.]]
* {{Narm}}:
** The music in Roxie's gym. Chanting "P-O-K-É-M-O-N"[[note]]in Japanese, "D-O-G-A-R-S", the Japanese name for Koffing[[/note]] non-stop isn't exactly the first thing that comes to people's minds when they think "underground punk rocker."
** Thanks to some dodgy writing, your rival's motivation to fight Team Plasma does come off as a bit petty and childish most of the time. Also, "I'm about to unleash my rage!" is hardly the best of catchphrases.
** The Champion's battle sprite looks somewhat daft (may be Narm Charm for some though).
* NightmareFuel:
** The Stranger's House, which is basically an even more ominous and oppressing version of [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl the Old Chateau]].
** Castelia Gym for those uncomfortable with clowns and webs; It even provides the best of both worlds by having one of the Harlequins randomly popping out of a cocoon.
** One particularly unsettling instance occurs in Lostlorn Forest. A backpacker staring at a rock will ask you about the Pokémon Zoroark and then give you the TM95 Snarl. He'll then talk about Zoroark's visit to the forest two years ago and talk about its devious ability to create illusions. [[spoiler: Then just as he's walking out, he suddenly transforms into a Zoroark -- much to not only yours, but your character's surprise as well - and runs off immediately.]]
** [[spoiler: Ghetsis trying to use Kyurem to freeze the player character alive a la Master Xehanort from ''VideoGame/KingdomHearts''.]] The animation in the scene makes it even ''scarier'' due to the [[spoiler:floating chunks of ice spinning around and hurtling towards the hero at high speed; imagine what that would look like in real life.]] To some, [[spoiler:the scene was even scarier back when the games were untranslated and fans didn't know what the characters were saying; it looked like ''Kyurem was actually going to brutally impale the player using pointed icicles''. To others, what it was actually going to do was even scarier!]]
** Some of the Bad and Strange endings to some of the Pokéstar movies can be quite creepy.
*** The Bad ending to the first of the Timegate Traveler movies has the time machine exploding, followed by [[spoiler:the main character discovering that ''they have merged with their Solosis''.]]
*** The villain for The Red Mist of Terror is pretty much an EldritchAbomination. Even its humanoid minions are unsettlingly creepy. It even has one of its spawn use Selfdestruct/Explosion ''just to hamper you''.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
** Initially, some fans disliked Nate and Rosa. But after the animated trailer, some fans are starting to warming up to Nate and Rosa.
** Initially criticized for [[UndergroundMonkey looking exactly the same]], lots of people warmed up to the Kami trio after the reveal of their distinct, imaginative, and outright ''cool'' Therian Formes; instead of three identical genies, we get a bird, a dragon, and a tiger.
** Many fans didn't like the fact that Zorua and Zoroark being event exclusives back in ''Black and White''. From ''Black 2 and White 2'' and on, they aren't event exclusives anymore. Rood will gives away N's Zorua in Driftveil City by just defeating him.
* RuleSixtyThree: Rosa genderswapped [[WholesomeCrossdresser is ridiculously popular]] on {{Pixiv}} due to a typo.
* SacredCow: Thanks to being VindicatedByHistory, the games are treated this way in some VocalMinority circles such as [[ImageBoards /vp/]], to the point that the games' defenders forget their various flaws such as the more formulaic story in comparison to its predecessors[[note]]to the point that some ''B2W2'' fans claim that the games had a good plot outright[[/note]] and the inability to access Challenge Mode until after beating the Elite Four.
* ScrappyMechanic:
** The Pokémon Breeder trainer class' new gimmick is to challenge you every time you re-enter the route they're on. It wouldn't be nearly as bad if they didn't retain their normal line of sight, which ends up making traversing old routes a bit of a chore. On the other hand, the battles are typically quick and easy, making them convenient for training lower level {{Mon}}s.
** Once again, the EXP system still plays hell on grinding.
** At last, there's a Hard Mode to make Pokémon difficult without players having to rely on self-imposed challenges! Except only Black 2 gets it. And only after you've already beaten all of the gym leaders and the elite four. And you can't unlock it and then restart the game with it. But wait, you can receive the "Challenge Key" from other players! ''Except'' there's a restriction on using Wifi, so you'll have to use the DS's infrared port. Don't know someone else with Black 2, or are unwilling to purchase a second DS and copy of the game? Sucks to be you! What makes it all the more frustrating is that this comes after the games have made it ''easier'' to trade Pokémon between versions, making it appear completely arbitrary.
** The C-Gear also returns, with essentially identical functionality.
* ThatOneSidequest:
** The Yancy/Curtis Xtransceiver sidequest, mostly for being riddled with GuideDangIt just to be able to contact them[[labelnote:*]]It requires the player to walk over several very easy-to-miss panels over the course of the game in order for them to call. At least half of the possible panels have no reason or lure for the player to walk over.[[/labelnote]] and generally resulting in nothing major up until the player has called them back 15 times. Your reward for all the trouble? The ability to trade them any ComMons for extremely rare mons that not only are unavailable anywhere else, but also have their Dream World abilities. Anyone with steady access to the GTS will likely pass this one up, though.
** Pokéstar Studios. For one, you have to get a good ending on every movie (except Brycen Man Strikes back harder) for one of the Trainer Stars. Second, the filming ranges from either somewhat annoying to LuckBasedMission incarnate because if the AI's choices can screw your filming attempt up with just one out-of-place move. Notable examples are the last Ghost Eraser movie or any films involving you ''surviving'' 10+ cuts. Yeah, it's a bitch.
** Gaining an Oval Stone to evolve that Happiny you're given requires you to bypass a major roadblock by having to complete the White Tree Hollow / Black Tower battle area in order to unlock the fourth item-store which will finally allow you to buy an Oval Stone. Or if you're ''extremely'' patient...you can grind the caves in the hopes of finding an Oval Stone from one of the dirt encounters.
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Some fans are [[MemeticMutation about to unleash their rage]] after they changed [[EarWorm DOGARS]] ([[DubNameChange Koffing's Japanese name]]) to [[{{Woolseyism}} POKÉM-ON]] in Roxie's Gym.
** Route 10 has been destroyed due to the original Victory Road collapsing, making it inaccessible. This means that the only way to hear its music is to talk to one of the people in the house in Icirrus City where the ex-Team Rocket grunt used to be. Of course, this means that you can only listen to this song [[ScrappyMechanic during the game's Winter]].
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** The fact that you never get to battle Hilbert or Hilda, even in the PWT, especially when so many people were expecting it. There was even two text dumps found in the code of the game suggesting that a tournament match against one of the two may have been planned, but got DummiedOut.
** A special Pokémon was stated to be found in the Nature Preserve. Even before there was word that it was a dragon, fans were excitedly hoping the Pokémon would be the Original Dragon, even if it couldn't be caught. It turned out to be just a Shiny Haxorus[[labelnote:*]]Of course, whether or not this is a genuine disappointment [[SidetrackedByTheGoldSaucer depends on the type of player]][[/labelnote]].
** [[spoiler:The fact that N never really gets to do anything to fight against Ghetsis, and he wasn't his biological son ''or'' an orphan by way of parental kidnapping, really makes fans upset.]]
** [[MundaneMadeAwesome The animated trailer]]. After watching it, many fans clamored for a TruerToTheText anime based around the new games to either run alongside or replace the normal anime, but nothing ever came of it, [[NoExceptYes except for]] ''Anime/PokemonOrigins'' and the Mega Evolution specials.
* ToughActToFollow: Despite all the new features in the game, it was kinda tough to live up to the praises of [[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite the original ''Black'' and ''White'']], particularly its storyline. This may be responsible for the games' positive-but-mixed-by-Pokémon-standards reception at the time.
* ViewerGenderConfusion: Colress, for the somewhat ambiguous design and name ending in "-ess".
* VindicatedByHistory: When ''Black 2'' and ''White 2'' were released, they were widely deemed inferior to the original ''Black'' and ''White'', became the worst-reviewed main series ''Pokémon'' games, and drew some controversy for their [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot unsatisfying conclusions]] to some of the plot threads in ''BW''. Furthermore, the announcement of ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' made ''[=B2W2=]'' look like they were merely meant to [[{{Filler}} tide fans over]] until the next generation. A couple years later, after ''X'' and ''Y'' proved to be controversial games in their own right and ''BW''[='s=] "Unova-only" dex [[DeaderThanDisco fell out of favor]], fans became a lot warmer towards ''[=B2W2=]'' for the various advantages it had over the other two sets of games. Points of praise include the [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters huge Pokédex drawing from all five generations at the time]] with fan-favorites such as Lucario and Eevee alongside all the Unova Pokémon, the vast postgame with the Pokémon World Tournament and lots of catchable legendaries, and the sheer number of options and features available. Some fans even claim them to be the best games in the series, resulting in a FandomRivalry with the Gen I fans who were won over by ''X'' and ''Y''.
* {{Woolseyism}}:
** In Roxie's Gym, she still sings [[EarWorm DOGARS]], but it's heavily overlaid with POKÉ BALL and POKÉMON in English versions.
** The title cards of the Pokéwood movies are in several languages, giving Pokéwood an "international" flair and also reflecting the real world, where countries might be famous for a certain genre of movie. In text, the movies are reflected either by their translated titles or their subtitle.
* TheWoobie:
** [[spoiler:The remains of the new Team Plasma in the post-game, based on this quote said by a grunt on the Plasma Frigate while it is docked at the P2 Laboratory]]:
--->[[spoiler:I knew... I knew that Ghetsis was using me... But I had friends here...]]
** Kyurem. It's trapped and used as a living weapon by Team Plasma, controlled (to whatever extent) by Ghetsis, and forced to absorb N's dragon (which, according to N, could detect Kyurem's suffering), only to be beaten up by ''your'' Pokémon and separated from it again.
** N's dragon; just watch the part where Kyurem absorbs it and it's desperately trying to fly away, and then [[YouBastard try not to feel bad]] when you merge them to use Black/White Kyurem yourself.
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