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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Takion and Grayven, both {{Canon Foreigner}}s who either distract from Kirby's creations or represent ongoing attempts to keep the original setting relevant.
* CreatorsPet: [[http://www.armagideon-time.com/?p=5903 Takion.]] Stuck out like a sore thumb, completely overpowered, whiny, derivative, a [[CanonForeigner retroactive addition]]... so of course he gets to become the [[LegacyCharacter new Highfather]] and get Beautiful Dreamer as a girlfriend. Most fans ignore him or portray him as [[http://mightygodking.com/images/dong1/donewgods1-20.jpg laughably ineffectual.]]
** Mister Miracle had elements of this, representing both Kirby's freedom from Marvel and his relationship with his wife.
* DorkAge:
** ''Return Of The New Gods'' - not for the series itself, which ranges between not-terrible to SoOkayItsAverage, but for the wholly unnecessary redesign of Orion to look more "superheroic". He trades in his helmet and Astro-Harness for something resembling [[ComicBook/BatmanAndTheOutsiders Geo-Force's costume]] with a big "O" on his chest.
** The Forever People were Kirby's take on heroic hippies.
** Like with many things about the New 52, their run isn't held in high regard because of a severe case of AdaptationalVillainy.
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Darkseid, who became one of the DCU's most popular villains, and Mr. Miracle, whose book was the only one of the original ''New God'' books '''not''' to be canceled. Let's not forget he's the reason why ComicBook/{{Thanos}} existed [[spoiler:after the idea was changed from being based on another New God, Metron]].
** Granny Goodness, who was given one of the best origins in the DC Universe in ''Secret Origins of Super-Villains 80-Page Giant #1''.
** Lashina was barely an afterthought in the initial run, but she's fetish material and was a regular in the Comicbook/SuicideSquad, which upped her profile dramatically.
* FanonDiscontinuity: Anything not written by Kirby has at least some people who claim this ([[CriticalResearchFailure sometimes]] [[MainstreamObscurity justified]]). Compounding the problem is that Kirby's work in canon is often treated with BroadStrokes, at best. Starlin's ''Death Of The New Gods'' in particular is often lumped in with ''Countdown'' as being this to Comicbook/FinalCrisis. About the only successor works that people seem to have some acceptance for is Walt Simonson and Grant Morrison's takes (who at least seemed to have their hearts in the right place even if they didn't totally get it).
* MagnificentBastard: Darkseid orchestrated the whole pact in such a way that Scott Free/Mr. Miracle would escape, allowing him to go back to war with New Genesis. He's also responsible for corrupting many characters in manipulative ways.
* MainstreamObscurity:
** While the New Gods aren't exactly mainstream, many in both the American comic book industry and fanbase often refer to how influential the series was. Yet one gets the impression many of those people ''never actually read it'', especially since a full collected edition of Kirby's series was only published in 2007-2008. Notable examples include Jim Starlin (Anti-Life as depicted in his ''Cosmic Odyssey'' [[CriticalResearchFailure does not work that way!]]) and Creator/JohnByrne (Sleez, the New God of... porn?). Indeed it took the Franchise/{{DCAU}} to give a more Kirby-accurate approach and thanks to the latter's popularity, to the extent that people know the Anti-Life Equation (from the DCAU) it's one that is accurate to Kirby.
** The other problem is that the stuff Kirby influenced are so much more famous. It was, for instance, one of the inspirations of Franchise/MastersOfTheUniverse, to the point where the movie was originally intended to be a New Gods story before falling into DevelopmentHell. It was also arguably an inspiration for ''Franchise/StarWars'', likewise it inspired ''ComicBook/{{Thanos}}'' who on account of the insane popularity of the ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'' is now far more famous than his inspiration, Darkseid.
* MyRealDaddy: A contentious example. Some think [[OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight only Kirby's work is really worth reading]].
** Most agree that Creator/WaltSimonson's ''Orion'' and Creator/GrantMorrison's work probably represents the best use of the characters outside their original series.
** The Franchise/{{DCAU}} animated incarnation is also seen by many to be definitive version outside the comics medium. It was also the first version to make Darkseid a firm part of Superman's rogue's gallery, with the comics following after. And of course being the DCAU, it features possibly the definitive voice cast for the characters.
** Paul Levitz is responsible for propelling Darkseid to his universe-threatening BigBad status in the '80s with the [[Comicbook/LegionOfSuperheroes Great Darkness Saga]].
** The Giffen/[=DeMatteis=] team [[GenreShift successfully revamped Mr Miracle and his supporting cast as a sitcom.]]
** Despite the fact that Jim Starlin and John Byrne have written extensively for the characters, their work is usually not held in as high a regard.
** Judging by the acclaim his Mister Miracle miniseries is already recieving, Tom King may be on his way to this.
* {{Narm}}: With a name like the Black Racer, of course you're expecting...[[https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/28855/1610037-black_racer_06.jpg a black guy in a suit of armor adorned in primary colors]].
* NarmCharm:
** With a character named Granny Goodness, you'd think you wouldn't be able to take a villain with that name seriously. But then you learn that her purpose in the story is to raise unlucky children into mindless slaves and soldiers for Darkseid. Now that you know this, her name is suddenly creepy as all hell.
-->'''Turpin''': So you wanna tell me why my missing kids trail leads right to you?
-->'''Boss Dark Side''': How could it not? As for the children...I gave ''them'' to '''''Granny'''''.
** The Black Racer is [[https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/28855/1610037-black_racer_06.jpg Death on Skis]]. But he's still the goddamn GrimReaper, his form meant to represent how he's always pursuing you and will eventually catch up sooner or later.
* NightmareFuel:
** Happyland, from the original ''Forever People'' series. An amusement park where people are tortured, and machines project their screams to people outside as ''fun and laughter''. And the creepiest thing is, ''the children all realise something isn't right'', but the adults refuse to see it.
** Granny Goodness. Dear God, Granny Goodness. What to say about someone whose entire purpose is basically child abuse?
*** In Final Crisis, when Granny Goodness's reduced to an evil spirit, who possesses a Green Lantern and creates centipede energy constructs.
*** Her capturing Batman also counts, as far as Granny not only single-handedly defeating Batman but also her speech where she exclaims how completely and utterly screwed Batman is now that she has him prisoner.
* TheScrappy:
** Takion, for reasons mentioned in CreatorsPet above.
** Grayven (though he technically debuted as a Franchise/GreenLantern villain). The "third son" of Darkseid, with none of the thematic basis of his brothers, and basically a 90s knock-off of his father with the same powers.
** The Newsboy Legion. Their antics and shenanigans were usually more annoying than funny and their stories were often the weakest of Kirby's Fourth World saga entries.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: If you were born after [[Film/ANewHope 1977]], it can be pretty easy to dismiss ''New Gods'' as an uninspired ''Franchise/StarWars'' knockoff. In fact, the series began in ''[[OlderThanTheyThink 1971]]'', six years before ''Star Wars'' hit theaters--and it's likely that it was one of Creator/GeorgeLucas' primary artistic influences. You barely have to squint to see Kirby's fingerprints on Lucas' world: there's a metaphysical life-giving energy field called "The Source", a malevolent galactic conqueror in a dark helmet whose name sounds like "Dark Side", and even a hero who finds out that the dark-helmeted BigBad [[LukeIAmYourFather is actually his father]]. More broadly, Kirby's idea of merging pulp sci-fi with Myth/ClassicalMythology may have influenced Lucas' idea to put TheHerosJourney [-IN SPACE-].

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