!! Tropes related to the band Genesis
* ArchivePanic: With over forty years' worth of material plus [[KeepCirculatingTheTapes all kinds of bootlegs and]] each member's solo material, new fans can find it all a bit daunting.
** Anthony Philips' solo catalogue ''alone'' (counting his program music, soundtracks and ''Private Parts And Pieces'' series) can be hard to keep up with, and very rare finds.
* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Oh, so many. "Watcher of the Skies" from ''Foxtrot'' immediately springs to mind, what with its epic intro played on the Mellotron.
** Also, "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight", "Dance on a Volcano", "Firth of Fifth", "Los Endos" and the ending sections of "The Musical Box", "Music/SuppersReady" and "Cinema Show".
** Side One of ''Music/TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway'' is very much up there too.
*** Side one hell. The whole album is generally considered a masterpiece. [[note]]Although many, including Phil Collins himself, feel that the album gets progressively weaker towards the end[[/note]] Probably not the place to start for someone new to the band though - ''Foxtrot'' and ''Selling England'' are good choices.
** For the post-Gabriel era: "One for the Vine", the ''Duke'' suite, "Home by the Sea," "Domino," and the various live medleys all come to mind.
* BrokenBase: [[BigOMG Oh My God]], and how! To name just a few points of contention:
** The most infamous debate in the fandom is whether Peter Gabriel or Phil Collins was the best frontman. Some fans think the band became terrible after Gabriel left, while others think that was the point where they started getting good. Meanwhile, there are the all-era fans who love both singers and think the other fans need to calm down. And don't even mention Ray Wilson unless you want to open a whole new can of worms; some fans think the band is right to ignore his tenure as lead singer, while others love ''Calling All Stations'' and think its omission from the band's 2014 documentary was an outrage.
** When it comes to the fans who think the band lost their way in the '80s, was their last truly great album ''The Lamb'' (the last album with Gabriel), or was it ''Wind and Wuthering'' (the last album with Steve Hackett)? Some even think the trio era had one or two (or even three or four) good albums before moving straight into pop.
** Among the fans who consider ''Invisible Touch'' to be a bad album, there's a debate on whether ''We Can't Dance'' was an improvement (due to some of the more prog-like songs such as "Driving the Last Spike" and "Fading Lights") or just another throwaway pop album (due to the poppier songs such as "I Can't Dance" and "Jesus He Knows Me").
** Even the all-era fans are heavily divided on the quality of certain songs; "Who Dunnit?" (from ''Abacab'') and "Illegal Alien" (from ''Genesis'') tend to get the worst of this. While the former is very often thought of as the band's worst song by a wide margin, fans are divided on whether the song's over-the-top nature makes it SoBadItsGood or just plain bad. The latter doesn't get quite as much heat, but many fans consider it [[ValuesDissonance too awkward]] to laugh at nowadays, not just for the stereotypes, but also for being a song poking fun at a serious political issue regarding Mexican immigration to America (which is still a hot-button topic decades after the song's release).
* CrossesTheLineTwice: "Harold the Barrel" from the album ''Nursery Cryme''.
* CultClassic: Of ALL things, ''Calling All Stations'', the sole album recorded with Ray Wilson.
* EarWorm: Many of their songs, especially the Phil Collins-led era.
* EnsembleDarkHorse: Phil Collins came out from behind his drum kit to take over as lead singer of the band, and then went on to have an astronomical solo career. Mike Rutherford has also found solo success with his band Mike + the Mechanics, and Steve Hackett remains a well-respected figure in the progressive rock community to this day (it helps that, in concerts, he often performs old Genesis songs in addition to his original songs).
* EpicRiff: "Dance on a Volcano". So epic, they reprise it during "Los Endos". During live performances, they reprise it again at the end.
* EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory: Some fans have come up with some rather ''interesting'' interpretations for various songs, including the theory that the [[TheEighties Eighties]] pop album ''Invisible Touch'' is a [[EpilepticTrees concept album about nuclear war]] (or, according to one [=SongMeanings=] user, that all the songs on that album, except for "The Brazilian", are secretly {{Religion Rant Song}}s).
* FaceOfTheBand:
** Music/PeterGabriel's theatricality, masks and costumes were a focal point of the band[[note]]He says that the decision to dress up came from a combination of shyness (so he could pretend to be someone else on stage) and because the rest of the band took too long to retune their instruments between songs, so he had to vamp and tell the overarching stories of their albums to keep the audience engaged[[/note]], to the point that many feared the band wouldn't be able to survive without him (when he left, the media was quick to declare that Genesis was dead, prompting the rest of the band to clarify that no, they weren't planning on breaking up). It didn't help matters that the media thought Gabriel wrote all of the material (they credited the writing to "Genesis" to avoid in-fighting) and was responsible for all of the sound and creativity of the band. This is why post-Peter albums started crediting individual writers in the band (which actually did lead to in-group arguing and the departure of Steve Hackett) on the album sleeves, at least until they began writing as a democratic group in TheEighties.
** Phil Collins stepped into the role after Gabriel left because they realized Collins could do Gabriel just as well as (if not better than) Gabriel could, although he always wanted to be primarily known as the band's drummer. Collins has expressed displeasure as being known as the band's face, because they were always very collaborative but he'd be the one credited with the band's successes and failures. Indeed, he was definitely this during TheEighties, to the extent that radio [=DJs=] would announce Genesis songs as either Phil Collins songs or "Phil Collins and Genesis", as though Genesis were merely Collins's backing band. It also meant that - to this day - long-time fans consider Collins to be singly responsible for the band's move into a more commercial direction, as though the other two members were either completely uninvolved, or somehow forced by Collins to go along.
* FanonDiscontinuity: The following people (either individually or in any combination) never left/joined the band: Anthony Phillips, John Mayhew, Peter Gabriel, Steve Hackett, Phil Collins, and Ray Wilson. Also, no albums were ever recorded with/without some/any/all of these people.
** Similarly, the band's fanbase is split in half: Those who prefer their Peter Gabriel led albums and those who like Phil Collins-led records. What albums exist usually depend on which side you're on.
*** See: BrokenBase above.
** The majority of old fans were actually quite happy with Phil Collins until the band got poppier to match his solo career. The albums ''A Trick of the Tail'' and ''Wind & Wuthering'' are usually as well loved as the Gabriel albums, or at least nearly so.
** Many people, [[CanonDiscontinuity including the band themselves]] tend to pretend that the album ''Calling All Stations'' never happened. None of the songs from that album were performed on [[PuttingTheBandBackTogether the 2006-2007 reunion tour]].
** Their first album also qualifies. Not only were Phil and Steve not on it[[note]]They weren't on the second album, ''Trespass'', either, but that album is closer to the band's typical style than the first one, and fans (and the band) still consider it a good album[[/note]], but the band does not own the rights to it, and it is distributed to the few who want to hear it by another company. Thus, most official discographies and catalogues make no mention of it. It's also pretty different from even their second album. Several demo pieces from it (missing the shitty excuse of a string section [[ExecutiveMeddling forced on the band by manager Jonathan King]]) did make it onto the band's first box set.
* FreudWasRight: The Slippermen, and Doktor Dyper's "[[NightmareFuel cure]]" for same.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Considering what has gone on in Phil's love life since ''...And Then There Were Three...'' was released (he and his first wife went through a nasty divorce not long after the album was released, and he later had two more failed marriages, though he has since gotten back together with his third wife), it's a little bit awkward to hear him singing "Follow You, Follow Me", a song where the narrator hopes his loved one will always stay with him.[[note]][[HeartwarmingInHindsight On the other hand]], both Mike (who wrote the song's lyrics) and Tony were {{happily married}} to their respective wives at the time, and still are to this day.[[/note]]
* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Not that they weren't big anywhere else, but they were ''huge'' in Italy, and pretty much from day one (Genesis's Italian pic sleeve singles are usually unique and very collectable). Similarly, ''Trespass'', released to obscurity in England, was the number one album in Belgium shortly after release, leading to a hasty tour of the continent.
* {{Misblamed}}: As mentioned in FaceOfTheBand above, a lot of people think Phil dragged Mike and Tony kicking and screaming into the pop-rock 80's. WordOfGod (Tony) says that the near opposite is true. If not for him, Mike and Phil would be a straight up pop band, and Tony is the one keeping what little prog-rock influence there is in the band. And even then Tony's written his share of pop songs as well.
** Tony also gets a hefty share of the blame from the band's fanbase over Gabriel and Hackett's departures. This despite the fact that both have mentioned the level of creative freedom they wanted would have been impossible in ''any'' kind of band structure. This has gone as far as claims that he ordered the engineers on ''Seconds Out'' to mix Hackett's guitar all the way to the back (something Tony once said as a joke, and Hackett denies ever really happened).
** "I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)", "The Silent Sun", "Happy the Man", "Twilight Alehouse", and "Counting Out Time" were earlier attempts at commercial singles, yet were still too quirky and progressive-sounding for commercial success. They weren't really ''opposed'' to the idea of radio success, just unlucky with their attempts to get a hit single.
** Phil Collins ''and'' Peter Gabriel {{Jossed}} the accusations that as Phil had some reservations with some of Peter's more elaborate theatrics (and how they threatenened to overshadow the music) by ''The Lamb''[[note]]in particular the Slipperman costume, which by even Peter's admittance was so bulky that it was hard to breathe in it, let alone get a microphone near it[[/note]], that Phil was trying to edge Peter out of the group and take over. Phil not only was quite comfortable as drummer and background vocalist, and sad to see Peter leave (they remain friends to this day), but even after having recorded ''A Trick of the Tail'', was still planning to hire a formal lead vocalist to go on the road. Collins was reluctant to take on the vocalist/frontman role, only doing so as the band could find no proper replacement for Peter. Collins had even at first, with no disrespect to Peter, suggested that the band could pursue the option of continuing on as an instrumental group.
* NewbieBoom: Following the success of ''Duke'' and ''Abacab'', then carried over to [[{{Eagleland}} the other side of the pond]] with ''Genesis''.
* OldShame: Despite the song as a whole being nearly universally considered CrowningMusicOfAwesome, the ''lyrics'' to "Firth of Fifth" are considered by Music/TonyBanks to be some of the worst he's ever written. On the reunion tour, they cut the lyrics out entirely and just played the [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome epic middle section]] as an instrumental.
** The entire band has been similarly negative about ''...And Then There Were Three...'', recorded in the midst of Hackett's departure and Collins' divorce; the three recording members felt they were making an album simply to make an album.
** "Who Dunnit?" from ''Abacab''. It was written more or less as a joke, then the joke was taken even further by incorporating it into the tour setlist. To drive the point home, in live performances of the song, Mike Rutherford plays the ''drums''.
** The song "Match of the Day" from the ''Spot the Pigeon'' EP was, for a while, extremely hard to find if one didn't have that EP, since Phil Collins was not very proud of the song at all. (He wasn't very proud of "Me and Virgil" from the ''3 X 3'' EP, either.)
** The band's entire first album, ''From Genesis to Revelation'', is not looked at fondly by the group. The only reason they haven't deleted it is because they don't own the rights to it; even so, they still exclude it from their official discographies.
** Also, "Illegal Alien" pokes fun at a rather serious problem; the poverty of Latin American would-be immigrants attempting to enter the USA. Unfortunately, the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_61hzuGGJX0 video]] took it UpToEleven, with the band sporting stereotypically Mexican outfits and engaging in allegedly comic south of the border shenanigans to the point of racist caricature.
* OlderThanTheyThink: Hackett made heavy use of the "tapping" and "sweep picking" techniques (often thought to be invented by 1980's heavy metal guitarists) in the early- to mid-70s.
* ReplacementScrappy: Phil Collins was initially seen as this when he replaced Peter Gabriel. Ray Wilson was seen as this by many fans when he replaced Collins.
* ScapegoatCreator: Again, as mentioned under FaceOfTheBand and {{Misblamed}}, the fans who reject the band's pop-oriented material tend to place the blame for it squarely on Phil Collins. Even though both Tony Banks and especially Mike Rutherford wanted to write pop songs as well, and the trio eventually developed a democratic songwriting system where, if two band members didn't like a song idea that the third proposed, they would vote it down (so if Banks and Rutherford were against changing the band's sound as much as members of Collins' hatedom say they were, then theoretically, the albums from ''Genesis'' onward should have been more of a return to the progressive rock sound instead of the pop albums they are).
* SophomoreSlump: Averted, if not Inverted with ''Trespass'', almost universally considered a huge improvement over ''From Genesis to Revelation''. The band had kept writing songs during their early tours and cherry-picked the numbers that went over especially well for the album.
* SpecialEffectFailure: In a documentary, Collins said ''Music/TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway'' had at least one in every show they did. For example, one scene required two explosions onstage revealing Gabriel and a mannequin dressed as Gabriel to represent Rael's dual personality. The pyrotechnic expert was a bit overzealous on the explosives, resulting in a charred mannequin.
* SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: "The Carpet Crawlers" was a long established classic in the band's oeuvre, so when the classic lineup regrouped to rerecord in 1999, many groaned and wondered what the point was. However, when they heard it, a lot of people changed their minds. The rerecording takes the original melody and improves the dramatic qualities of the song. In the original, the melody line is mostly driven by an arpeggiated organ, the drums are not really propulsive, and Peter Gabriel's voice couldn't quite handle the low notes. In the rerecording, all these issues are addressed, and while the song may seem a bit sleek, it ''works''.
* TastesLikeDiabetes: A lot of the more popular songs put out during the Collins-led era, ''especially'' love songs. Special mention goes to "Follow You Follow Me" and ''We Can't Dance'''s "Hold On My Heart" (although for many fans, those two songs fall under this category in [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments the best]] [[SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel possible way]]).
* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: Several things throughout the band's career can provoke this reaction; most obviously, many older fans of Genesis feel this way about the band's output during the 1980's.
** "Firth of Daryl"[[note]] Referring to touring guitarist Daryl Steurmer taking Steve Hackett's epic "Firth of Fifth" middle section and turning it into a Music/VanHalen-esque generic guitar solo[[/note]], along with many other examples of the Collins-era band trying to cover Gabriel-era material. On the other hand, Gabriel actually praised Collins' renditions of his songs, claiming that Collins "sang them better" than he did. [[labelnote:Although...]]He did have mixed feelings about Collins' rendition of "Music/SuppersReady", [[JustifiedTrope but that was mainly because the song was so personal to him]]; he compared it to seeing someone trying on your old clothes and being unsure if they'll fit.[[/labelnote]]
** Can also, oddly enough, refer to the band's choice of equipment. Hardcore fans blame the Korg Wavestation for Tony Banks' muddy, generic sound in the 1990's, and many (and occasionally even bandmembers) will point out that quite a few of the older songs don't sound particularly well on anything but the old, worn-out, temperamental machines they were recorded on [[note]]In particular, "Watcher of the Skies" was recorded on a [=MkII=] Mellotron, an analogue sampler using magnetic tape, and one not meant for anything but studio use. When it finally broke for the last time, the band switched to a "portable" Mellotron M400, which sucked the life out of the song and led to its retirement[[/note]]. And let's not get into Phil Collins and drum machines...
* [[TookTheBadFilmSeriously Took The Bad Album Seriously]]: Ray Wilson, whose work with Genesis on the album ''Calling All Stations'', which was outright panned, has seemed to parlay his brief stint into a substantial career. To this day, he still performs songs from ''Calling All Stations'' live and recently appeared as a guest singer at Steve Hackett's 2013 ''Genesis Revisited II'' show at the Royal Albert Hall.
* ToughActToFollow: What happened after ''Music/TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway'', until the band switched genres.
** Also, Ray Wilson following Phil Collins as lead singer.
** While averting this when succeding Gabriel as the lead singer, Collins following him into a solo career; it was Johnny Carson who once introduced him as "The man who made a career out of being not as good as Peter Gabriel."
** In a certain sense, the rhythm section of Daryl Stuermer (guitar, bass) and Chester Thompson (drums) might get compared and contrasted to the musicians whose contributions they have to recreate in live performance. This might ''especially'' be the case for Daryl's recreations of Steve Hackett's guitar work, as unlike Mike Rutherford or Phil Collins, Hackett's physical presence onstage is missing from the trio-era lineup.
* TrueArtIsIncomprehensible: ''Music/TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway'', arguably. Also, Peter Gabriel's elaborate stage costumes and the bizarre stories he told between songs.
** The costumes also helped Gabriel with his stage fright too.
* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: ''Music/TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway'', and the surreal, fantastical stage show that resulted. WordOfGod claims the band were among the ''least'' drug-affected of bands in their era. This probably doesn't count Phil Collins, who spent the Lamb tour high as a kite, and "initiated" Hackett into the band by seeing how much Newcastle Brown Ale he could drink and still play the drums at a live gig. For a seventies rock band, that's practically straight-edge, though.
* TheWoobie: Phil Collins (see: BreakTheCutie on the main page).

!! Tropes related to the game Ge.ne.sis

* SlowPacedBeginning: The storyline is not particularly interesting until about halfway through the game, at which point it suddenly picks up the pace.
* ThatOneBoss: Cerberus. Is a powerhouse, has a high HP regeneration rate, and ''acts twice per turn''.

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