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!!YMMV for [[Comicbook/FantasticFour The Comics]]
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
** Sure, Reed is normally portrayed as brilliant and somewhat arrogant (more so after ''Civil War''), but read [[http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/9093/1254471298216.jpg these]] [[http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1604/1254471358579.jpg pages]] to see the HiddenDepths to the character. Doubles as a SugarWiki/{{Heartwarming Moment|s}} and TearJerker.
*** In brief: Reed is just a humble scientist who couldn't care less about being famous or admired. His quest to turn his best friends into revered superheroes was all just penance for robbing them of the chance to live normal lives, because he knew they would have been exploited and used as lab experiments if they didn't have the public's love on their side.
** Alternatively, Reed is a VillainWithGoodPublicity and the only reason he has yet to TakeOverTheWorld it is because Doctor Doom keeps distracting him.
* CompleteMonster: The [[{{Sadist}} Marquis of Death]], from ''Master of Doom'' by Creator/MarkMillar & Bryan Hitch, is a minor ArcVillain of the Fantastic Four, but handily makes his mark as one of the most monstrous individuals across Marvel Comics. Originally one version of the brain-damaged Clyde Wyncham on an alternate Earth, the Marquis discovered his love of slaughter after murdering dozens of heroes and villains when his mind was fully returned to him, and became dedicated to [[OmnicidalManiac killing as many things as possible]]. First massacring every single one of the 7 billion people on his own Earth, the Marquis spent the next billion years traveling to various Earths then slowly exterminating all life on each and every one, always drawing out the deaths of heroes and forcing them into {{sadistic choice}}s for his own sick amusement. Through this, the Marquis annihilates millions of universes and amasses an unfathomable body count before finally showing up on the 616 Earth, where he annihilates all of Latveria before viciously executing his loyal servant ComicBook/DoctorDoom for going too slow in destroying 616's heroes. The Marquis goes on to torment the Fantastic Four with the millions of versions of their loved ones he has murdered, then tries to manipulate Mr. Fantastic into compromising his morality for the life of his universe, after which he attempts to simply kill this Earth as well then continue his dimension-wide omnicide spree. His power surpassed only by his sadism and evil, the Marquis of Death has one of the most horrifying body counts across all media, and handily sticks out as the most evil Fantastic Four villain.
* DamselScrappy: In the early "Invisible Girl" years of the first run, Sue was [[TheLoad much more of a liability]] with her limited power set, and constantly exhibited poor judgment or absent-mindedness (as {{Creator/Seanbaby}} points out, not only did she [[http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-beloved-superheroes-who-are-actually-really-stupid/ constantly forget whether or not she was invisible]], but actually walked into traffic on more than one occasion); in an effort by multiple writers to make amends for this, her power levels and competency have increased exponentially over the years, to the point where she's become by far the strongest member of the team.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Dr. Doom is an incredibly popular villain, which can lead to [[JerkassDissonance dissonance]] between exactly how evil and villainous he is and exactly how evil and villainous his fans ''think'' he is. Also helped by several contradictory depictions of Doom over the years, with some writers giving him plenty of PetTheDog moments and others depicting him as willing to both hurt and kill his own [[MoralityPet Morality Pets]].
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** As Stan Lee tells it, The Thing was originally the most popular member of the group, which influenced Lee's creation of the Comicbook/IncredibleHulk.
** Darla Deering, one of Jonny's love interest, due to being a GenkiGirl with pink hair.
** Valeria has become incredibly popular for the sheer adorable factor, her TokenEvilTeammate acts, and her JerkWithAHeartOfGold tendencies.
* EvilIsCool: Doctor Doom is a perfect example in the Franchise/MarvelUniverse. Through a lethal combination of magic, technological prowess, and manipulative brilliance he's been their definitive supervillain (and '''THE''' definitive supervillain), and the BigBad of more crisis crossovers than can conveniently be counted. When a Norse God and the Devil both consider you a WorthyOpponent you qualify in a major way. He's gotten so popular is often outsourced to other heroes like ComicBook/IronMan and ComicBook/SpiderMan. After ''ComicBook/SecretWars'' Doom more or less became the Earth-based BigBad for the Marvel Universe itself.
** Galactus, while not exactly evil, but is still antagonist, and is undeniably a badass one. Like Doom, he's so popular that he's been outsourced as enemy to many other heroes.
* FashionVictimVillain:
** Some people think Wizard looks somewhat silly with his odd shaped helmet and pink spandex costume.
** Trapster when he was called Paste Pot Pete seemed to fit the bill, back then he looked like a rather sloppy MadArtist (with a beret, giant bow tie and goofy mustache) rather then a fearsome super villain. Some of his later costumes were an improvement.
** Kang's iconic costume has always been fairly goofy, but in his earliest appearances his thigh-high boots were skin-tight and striped purple-and-black, resembling nothing so much as harlequin motley tights. Yowza.
* FoeYay: Doctor Doom's obsession with Reed is one of the biggest examples in Marvel.
* HoYay:
** There's an alternate universe where Reed married ''Johnny''. Nuff said.
** Johnny and Spider-Man have some epic bromance moments, including (but not limited to) Peter joking that Johnny got him [[MisterSeahorse pregnant]].
** To say nothing of Doom's obsession with Reed (there are LOTS of disturbing fanfics about the two) and Ben's sometimes heartwarmingly (and awkwardly) close relationships with both Reed and Johnny.
* JerkassWoobie: Thing started out as one, constantly lamenting about his appearance and picking fights with Johnny at every given opportunity, going so far as to threaten [[CarFu throwing a car at him]]. This tension reached the ultimate breaking point when, Johnny, after a massive argument with Ben, temporarily quit the FF, of which Ben couldn't have been more happy. Even when his relationship with Alicia began, it was constantly riddled with {{Wangst}} over the fact that Alicia preferred The Thing over Ben.
** Doctor Doom at times manages to be this. He is a horrible person whose entire motive for trying to defeat the Fantastic Four stems from his NeverMyFault attitude, and for every humanizing moment he's committed so other horrible atrocity. But he also lost his mother at young age and Mephisto tormented him with nightmares of her fate in hell.
* MagnificentBastard: Doctor Doom.
* MemeticMutation:
** "It's clobberin' time!"
** Dr. Doom's habit of [[SayMyName shouting Reed Richards' last name]].
** [[ActuallyADoombot It was a Doombot.]]
** "FLAME ON!"
* MoralEventHorizon:
** Creator/MarkWaid hated the NobleDemon characterization of Doom, so when he came aboard the book he did an arc where Doom {{flay|edAlive}}s his [[ChildhoodFriendRomance Unlucky Childhood Friend]] alive and [[{{Squick}} makes her skin into a new suit of armor]]. Unsurprisingly, this didn't take, and Doom has since returned to his AntiVillain characterization. That said, the general consensus is that it is a very good story and many fans give Doom props for not crossing the MoralEventHorizon so much as [[CrossesTheLineTwice blasting through it with a rocket launcher]]. His actions in the story are still very much canon, as well.
** Many fans also believe that Reed himself crossed during ''Comicbook/CivilWar'', in which he constructed a HellholePrison in a dimension that literally sucks the life out of you, then shipped several of his friends there without trial in the name of "national security." Even post-''Comicbook/DarkReign'', [[KarmaHoudini he has paid for none of this]].
* NamesTheSame: Nathanial Richards shares a name with Kang the Conqueror. They're different characters, though it's strongly implied the man who would become Kang was not only his direct descendant, but was inspired by the time-traveling ventures of his namesake who created the very utopia he grew disenchanted with, making him something of a LegacyCharacter.
* NeverLiveItDown:
** Has any writer ever let [[ComicBook/SubMariner Namor]] forget he used to have a crush on Sue?
*** Namor ''still'' [[http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4715404.html#cutid1 has a crush on Sue]]. Sue will never live down the fact that she used to crush on him, too.
** A lot Reed's [[FairForItsDay early]] {{characterization|MarchesOn}} was [[http://media.tumblr.com/fd54e518afbfb9a9cae9f462fc7c2ae2/tumblr_inline_moibh4dsDa1qz4rgp.jpg quite sexist]]. Add that with the panel of [[http://media.tumblr.com/18b4c8045796b5c9c4c58355f69e4247/tumblr_inline_mv8lky6Dyg1soo5ac.jpg Richard slapping Sue]]. ItMakesSenseInContext [[note]]Richard was attempting a GetAHoldOfYourselfMan[[/note]], but it, along with the aforementioned Namor having a crush on Sue, is often jokingly used as proof that Namor would make a better husband.
** Trapster was originally named Paste Pot Pete before he changed his name to Trapster, a fact that many heroes and villains have mocked him for.
** Reed's siding with Iron Man's pro-reg faction during Civil War. Especially since unlike Iron Man, he's faced ''zero'' repercussions for it thus far.
* NightmareFuel: The Puppet Master is a creepy enough villain to start with by his powers alone, but he's even more nightmarish when he was drawn by Creator/JackKirby. Kirby draws him looking like a sentient ventriloquist dummy, bearing a smile that makes ComicBook/TheJoker look tame.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: It's hard to believe how much this comic actually played with Superhero tropes at the time it originally debuted, and in the 1990s, it makes the Fantastic Four look flat out tame in comparison. For starters, we had a superhero with a somewhat monstrous appearance (The Thing), the fact that the team actually spent a lot of their time fighting with each other, and that they didn't even use secret identities. Now after seeing ''way'' more Team angst and more deformed superheroes, the Fantastic Four looks almost safe in comparison.
* {{Squick}}: Reed and Sue's first meeting being LoveAtFirstSight... when she was ''twelve''. Matt Fraction has since {{retcon}}ned this version of their first meeting out of existence. It was actually one-sided on Sue's part making it more of a PrecociousCrush to the college-age Reed. It's only when Sue [[ShesAllGrownUp matured]] by the time they met again for the fateful rocketship journey that Reed took an interest.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
** Yay, we finally get a grown-up Franklin in the nineties... yeah, they basically turned him into ComicBook/{{Cable}}. Many fans who wished to see Franklin grow up were infuriated by what the lack of creativity in creating Psi-Lord.
** In the same vein, Hyperstorm the, [[spoiler: time-traveling son of Rachel Summers and Franklin Richards]], was only used for one arc and never used again because they killed him off. He was only given a backstory for shock value and had no interaction with his parents while in the past. He was just some random MultiversalConqueror.
* ToyShip: Val and Bentley are a popular pairing, particular because they both act as {{Token Evil Teammate}}s. Hell, it's not as if it's not essentially encouraged (Val actually says she'll kiss Bently when she's old enough, and Bentley actually says [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments "I think I love you"]]).
* ValuesDissonance: The early issues suffer from this even more than most other big comics of the '60s, with Reed especially coming off as a sexist asshole.
-->'''Creator/BradJones:''' When Reed Richards was [[Series/MadMen Don Draper]].
* VanillaProtagonist:
** The "first family" of the Franchise/MarvelUniverse are often considered to be far less interesting than the greater WorldBuilding they are tied to (the Negative Zone, the Skrulls, the Inhumans, Wakanda, and their RoguesGallery: Doom, Mole Man, Namor, Galactus and others). It's certainly true that Reed Richards and ComicBook/DoctorDoom have the greatest rivalry in all of comics but between the two it can be hard to deny that Doom has the cooler visual design, one-liners, and charm.
** Reed and Sue especially get hit with this. Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm were the BreakoutCharacter of the four having both unique personalities and awesome designs (the Human Torch is all fire while the Thing is all Rock) whereas Reed's original personality was a StandardFiftiesFather complete with dated sexism, with Sue treated as the WetBlanketWife and pre-women's lib stay-at-home TeamMom rather than a career woman, and despite being a rare woman with superpowers in her time never quite became as popular as ComicBook/JeanGrey. Their visual designs -- Reed being a stretchy-guy and Susan turning Invisible -- is not exactly eye-catching. Later writers have tried to balance the pair and made Susan more powerful and important but rarely a consistent set of personal features and the GrandfatherClause nature of the Four means that the dynamic never strays too far from how the characters were originally conceived. This also accounts in part for the AdaptationDecay since usually Johnny and Ben translate as they are, but Reed and Sue are often altered or given AdaptationalAngstUpgrade.
* TheWoobie: Ben Grimm, mutated into the monstrous-looking Thing, but also one of the most respected and beloved superheroes in the Marvel universe. WordOfGod has stated that The Thing is the most beloved superhero in the entire Marvel Universe. This makes him analogous to ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} of Creator/DCComics.
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!!YMMV for [[WesternAnimation/FantasticFour The Animated Series]]
* CantUnHearIt: Chances are good if you grew up with the series that Beau Weaver, Lori Alan, Creator/QuintonFlynn, and Chuck [=McCann=] are the voices you hear when you read the FF's adventures.
* ContinuityLockOut: There are some cases where the writers seemed to assume most of the kids watching the show were familiar with the comics, and thus didn't bother explaining things in detail. A big example is the Comicbook/GhostRider's guest spot. He shows up out of nowhere with zero foreshadowing, gets no real explanation about who he is, where he comes from or how his powers work, and then just takes down Galactus and leaves.
* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: The ''Frankenstein'' spoof in "The Silver Surfer and the Coming of Galactus" doesn't have much to do with the plot, but it's funny.
** [[CovertPervert Reed]]'s... pleased reaction to Susan still wearing her ''[[EvilIsSexy very]]'' sexy [[EvilCostumeSwitch Malice]] costume at the end.
*** More than one HappilyMarried moment between Sue and Reed [[SickeninglySweethearts crosses into this]]. The Latin-American Spanish version makes it even funnier thanks to how the VA delivers Reed's lines ''almost completely seriously''.
** The huge lampshade to Johnny and Crystal's StrangledbyTheRedString situation. [[spoiler: In one episode, Crystal sends out [[BigFriendlyDog Lockjaw]] so he can guide Johnny to a prospect meeting spot. [[RunningGag They never find it.]]]]
* GrowingTheBeard: Season two.
* HilariousInHindsight: In 1966, Creator/JohnVernon voiced Namor in WesternAnimation/TheMarvelSuperHeroes, which featured an adaptation of a Fantastic Four story that featured Dr. Doom. Here he was the first of three to voice Dr. Doom. Alas, Namor and Doom did not appeared in the same episode otherwise this could have been a passing of the torch.
* NightmareFuel: "Super Skrull" shows the titular enemy first draining the Torch's flames away, then burning him. And the result looks rather much like ''realistic'' massive [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath 4th-degree burns]], with Johnny lying smoking on the ground, his skin and tissues an even, featureless, molten-solidified, carbonized, black and dry texture. This impression is further reinforced by how distressed Susan sounds seeing it. [[spoiler: It turns out that [[OnlyAFleshWound it wasn't really all that bad after all]], naturally enough, but the first few seconds are still horrible.]]
* RecycledScript: Both seasons end with Doctor Doom claiming the power of the Silver Surfer. The second season production team actually did this on purpose. They felt that the first season's take on the classic comic story was poorly handled and deserved a better adaptation.
* SoBadItsGood: Johnny's Human Torch rap and Ben/The Thing's "Clobberin' Time" rap.
* TearJerker: [[spoiler:The Thing's DisneyDeath after being beaten senseless by The Hulk in "Nightmare In Green". The Hulk feels guilty for making Alicia cry.]]
** In "And a Blind Man Shall Lead Them," the four lose their powers in a nuclear explosion and Ben is overjoyed to be normal again. [[spoiler:However, he is forced to reclaim his powers to save the team and Daredevil from Doctor Doom - ruining his plans for a normal life with Alicia. Poor guy even crushes the ring he was going to propose with.]]
** Sue and Johnny are reunited with their fugitive father, however it is cut-short [[spoiler:when he is killed in a Skrull plot]]. The team head off to the Skrull homeworld for revenge, and discover the one responsible, Morrat, not only set up a trap for them by having them lose their powers, but wanted to usurp the Skrull Emperor, with his fiancee (and the Emperor's daughter) at his side. It eventually ends with them getting their powers back, [[spoiler:and Morrat's treachery exposed. The Emperor's orders Morrat's execution, and his daughter almost [[TakingTheBullet takes the bullet]] for him, but Sue's force field protects her, deflecting the beam to Morrat. The Emperor's daughter grieves over Morrat's dead body, The Emperor decides to end any hostilities with the team for saving his daughter's life, and confirms Morrat killed Sue and Johnny's father. The four realize although they get their revenge, it doesn't make them feel any better]].
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