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* ''Franchise/{{Batman}}''
** Talia Al Ghul proves she's just as much a monster as her father when she [[spoiler:allows her own son Damian to be brutally slain by his own clone.]] She does have the decency to shed a few tears afterwards...which she dismisses as a moment of weakness.
*** Even this ante is upped when you realize how many times Ra's has forgiven Talia's much deeper and constant betrayals. In her current spoiled brat persona, she cannot give [[spoiler: her son such forgiveness even once, for being somewhat like the man she fancied.]]
*** Even Ra's notes, with some twisted fatherly pride, that she has at last become a monster.
** When Batman had been paralyzed by Bane, he was replaced by ''Comicbook/{{Azrael}}'' while undergoing therapy to restore the use of his legs. Azrael was a far more brutal Batman with no ThouShaltNotKill code, and finally crossed the line in Bruce's views when he chose to allow the SerialKiller Abattoir to die rather than interrogate him as to the whereabouts of his hostage; as Abattoir was the only one who knew where the hostage was, this led to the hostage being crushed to death.
** While ComicBook/TheJoker was (save for a stretch during TheFifties and TheSixties) always portrayed as a total psychopath, it is generally considered that he crossed the MoralEventHorizon in 1988 when, within a few months, he crippled Batgirl for life and beat the 2nd, still-teenaged Robin (Jason Todd) to death with a crowbar.
** He's breaking out all the stops in ''ComicBook/DeathOfTheFamily'', but one particular stand out point is giving the hyenas, that he and Harley raised, rabies. These are pets that he and Harley personally raised since they were babies! All this to spite Harley for not waiting and praying for his return (never mind that he didn't leave any indication that he was going to) and for getting together with Deadshot.
** Zsasz using kidnapped runaways and orphans for gladiator matches and dumping their bodies in the river. You know it's serious when the current [[TykeBomb Robin]] is vomiting over what happened. The "Current Robin" is Damian Wayne. A character who, in his first appearance, decapitated two of Batman's rogues, assaulted Alfred, and tried to kill Tim Drake at least three or four times. And while he had mellowed out by that point, he was still pretty unflappable.
** [[SubvertedTrope Subverted]] poignantly in ComicBook/BruceWayneFugitive, with [[ArchnemesisDad David]] [[AbusiveParents Cain]]. David is generally an awful person, but probably his most heinous crime is his treatment of [[ComicBook/{{Batgirl}} his own daughter]], who he abused horrifically in order to turn her into the perfect killing machine. The subversion comes when despite this, Batman makes it clear to Cain that [[AllLovingHero Cassandra]] is still willing to forgive him, and that it's not too late for him to fix things. Cain, however, is too broken at this point to try.
* In ''ComicBook/BatmanYearOne'', Commissioner Loeb starts out as a typical corrupt cop, nasty in his own way but not extraordinarily bad. His true crossing of the horizon is when he firebombs an apartment building to catch/kill Batman, callously dismissing Gordon's concerns about the derelicts living inside (at least one of whom was killed).
* Nekron of "ComicBook/BlackestNight" is an EldritchAbomination who is said to be beyond good and evil. And at first he seemed like that. Raising the dead as foot soldiers and sending them to terrorize their loved ones? That's pretty ruthless, but not exactly personal. [[spoiler:Turning all the resurrected heroes into Black Lanterns against their will? More evil, but considering that he's the literal [[GrimReaper embodiment of death]], it's understandable.]] But once it's revealed that [[spoiler: the living heroes who are turned into Black Lanterns are [[AndIMustScream CONSCIOUS]] and forced to watch as their possessed body is used to attack their loved ones, all the while slowly wasting away until they turn into a Black Lantern for real, Nekron goes from force of nature to vile monster.]]
* ''Blackest Night: The Flash'' had fans of Captain Boomerang the Younger wailing and gnashing their teeth. Owen's moral compass is shaky at best. Upon learning of his heritage, he joined the Rogues with minimal prompting and showed very little remorse or hesitation when it came to killing people in certain situations. Those situations being fights. After leaving the Rogues, his character was more developed as a screw up who's looking for a family, and whoever's giving him affection and approval (or at least a group to hang with) gets his loyalty. He's had ice cream nights with Supergirl for pity's sake, and has always been more or less shown to be a pretty okay guy, for an occasional assassin. So in the latest installment of the series, we learn that baby-Boomer was [[spoiler: feeding criminals to his zombie-fied father to somehow bring him back to life]]. Okay, a little creepy, but it's not so ba--[[spoiler: Oh wait, no he fed zombie!Boomer innocent women and little kids too apparently!]] Thus making a formerly endearing, kinda sweet character...so full of squick.
* Cheshire, a PsychoForHire in Franchise/TheDCU, crossed the line when she nuked Qurac as part of her plan to extort the nations of the world. Creator/GailSimone outright called Cheshire a monster due to this act and rarely writes her as anything else.
-->'''Cheshire:''' ''I decided to make a point. America? No, that'd incur too much wrath. And I like shopping there. Russia? They're suffering enough as is. England? Maybe we're all sick of hearing of Di and Fergie, but maybe not...I COULD blow up a little out of the way island, but that wouldn't get the point across...Then I realize...the terrorist capital of the world. That little eyesore, Qurac. Oh, sure, you'll all rage and complain, but inside? You'll be THANKING me.''
* It's difficult to pinpoint the exact point when Eobard Thawne crossed the line, given that his appearances in ''Franchise/TheFlash'' add more and more atrocities to the list thanks to his abuse of time travel. At first, his status as a one-off EvilCounterpart was dispelled by him murdering Barry's wife Iris for refusing him. In ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}'', he goes back in time to murder Barry's mother, allowing him to cross the line long before he met Iris. And ''then'' future comics revealed that he wiped his brother, his academic rival, and all the men his crush ever dated from existence before he terrified said crush into a catatonic state for rejecting him one time too many.
* In ''ComicBook/GothamCitySirens'' #20, [[spoiler:Harley Quinn]] crosses the line. During [[spoiler:her bid to kill the Joker in Arkham Asylum]] she murders an innocent guard via explosive in the face. Even worse, [[spoiler:she]] acknowledges that the guard is an innocent man, but [[spoiler:she is too full of rage to care, and the guard is too intelligent to be distracted by other means.]]
* The Guardians cross the line in the early issues of the DC Nu reboot of ''ComicBook/GreenLantern'' when they ''wipe out Ganthet's emotions'' to turn him into a cold emotionless Guardian like them. Kyle is understandably outraged by Ganthet's emotional lobotomy and vows to fight the Guardians.
* {{ComicBook/Huntress}} crosses at the end of ''Cry for Blood'' when she arranges the murder of her own father, unless it happened earlier. The first Question calls her damned for it, but she replies that she was damned a long time ago. In ''Huntress: Year One'', it is revealed that she considers the moment she murdered Stephen Mandragora to be the moment she crossed, thinking, as she killed him, [[YouAreWorthHell "This is worth going to Hell for."]]
* In the DC miniseries ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis'' the previously bumbling and mediocre villain Dr. Light is revealed to have raped the Elongated Man's wife, Sue Dibny on the JLA Satellite years earlier. What he was doing there in the first place isn't revealed, nor was it the first time he'd done it. Unfortunately, that wasn't the worst thing that happened to Sue in the book.
* In ''ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis'', ComicBook/SuperboyPrime was presented as a confused teenager with powers he couldn't control lashing out at people who didn't understand him... until he lost it and killed some CListFodder, whereupon he turned into a near-demonic CardCarryingVillain, excusing his actions by claiming to be "better than those losers". Superboy-Prime picked a fight with the Conner Kent Superboy and got jumped by the full Teen Titans roster. He lost control of his own strength when he fought back, killing some of them and provoking a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment. At that point the Flashes drag him into the Speed Force, where they imprison him for an unknown length of time. When next we see him, he threatens to kill even his friends and allies to get what he wants. And he's ''terrified'' of all Flashes. DC has never explained what they did to him.
** If he didn't cross it there, he certainly crossed it when he killed [[spoiler:Earth-2 Superman.]] While the above is rather monstrous, at the very least Prime [[FreudianExcuse had gone through a lot of hardships]] and had been convinced by [[ManipulativeBastard Alex Luthor Jr]] that they were in the wrong, not to mentioned he was still trying to get back Earth-Prime. [[spoiler:Earth-2 Superman]] wasn't one of the heroes that Prime thought was "corrupted", but a survivor, friend and [[spoiler:the original superhero.]] Killing him nothing more than blind and callous fury at him [[ItsAllAboutMe stripping him of his powers.]]
** In one of the ''Infinite Crisis'' lead-ups, ''Villains United'', Alexander Luthor (under the guise of the regular Lex) orders part of his Secret Society of Villains to retrieve a number of people for unknown reasons, chief amongst them the heroes Lady Quark and Pariah (who fought along side him during the [[ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths original Crisis]]). Alex mocks and '''kills''' Pariah and later uses Lady Quark to power his dimensional tuning fork. Again, they were '''all''' heroes who tried to save the Multiverse together. And in the actual ''Infinite Crisis'', he just kept on going with his despicable manipulations of everyone, including Golden Age Superman.
* ''ComicBook/InjusticeGodsAmongUs''. Hoo boy...Where to begin with?
** For starters, the kickstarter of the whole plot: Joker [[spoiler: kidnaps Lois and links the trigger to a nuke set in Metropolis to her heartbeat. He then uses Kryptonite-laced Joker gas to make Superman think he's fighting Doomsday when in reality...it was Lois. The kicker? Lois was ''pregnant''. Not only that. Joker said he decided to go after Superman because it was "Easy mode" for him and he was tired of losing to Batman.]] Joker's actions were Superman's StartOfDarkness.
** And then we have Superman himself once he goes full-blown KnightTemplar. His contenders include:
*** Throwing Atlantis in the middle of a desert after Aquaman defied him. That's a WHOLE POPULATION he terrorized, as Shazam later points out. Though, it's partially ShootTheDog, as Aquaman was DEFINITELY threatening the world. But later...
*** Crippling a hero who idolized the Justice League because he wanted to maintain his people's right to protest against Superman's group's actions.
*** [[spoiler: Killing Green Arrow after he accidentally hurt Mr. Kent due to an arrow fired at him that bounced off his body.]] And that's BEFORE the game's events, where he further crosses it. He and his supporters will cross it again and again in comics too.
* In ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice'', Prometheus [[spoiler:ripped off Red Arrow's arm, and then killed his 5 year old daughter Liane along with 90,000 others in Star City]] (the latter part was released the same week as Ultimate Red Skull throwing a baby out of a window).
* ''ComicBook/LexLuthor'':
** Lex gives a few thousand people superpowers in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo'', then takes them away again. While they were in mid-flight. Because he was pissed the power-giving treatment wouldn't work for him. Luthor's a sociopath, sure, but he's not usually that petty (okay, there was that one time he [[AndThatsTerrible stole forty cakes...]]).
** The real reason is actually far worse. He thought Supernova was Superman in disguise [[spoiler:(he was actually Booster Gold)]] and so created the situation just to test him, reasoning that Superman would use his powers to save the people. So in other words he killed thousands to test a HUNCH. And no, it didn't work -- while Supernova saved as many people as he could, it didn't help Lex or anyone else closer to figuring out Supernova's ID.
** In ''ComicBook/ElseworldsFinestSupergirlAndBatgirl'' Luthor crosses it when it is revealed that he [[spoiler:murdered ''Comicbook/{{Supergirl}}'''s [[Franchise/{{Superman}} baby cousin]],]] and he feels absolutely ''no'' remorse because "it was only an alien", no a person.
* From ''[[ComicBook/TheDeathOfSuperman The Reign of the Supermen]]'' arc, Mongul [[spoiler:and Cyborg Superman]] atomizing Coast City with a series of spammed atomic bombs, killing ''seven million people''.
** This led to [[Franchise/GreenLantern Hal Jordan]] going down a moral event horizon of his own when he killed all the other Green Lanterns and became Parallax (though this was retconned later).
*** Specifically it was Hal killing Kilowog. At first Hal was just beating up other Green Lanterns and stealing their rings with the rational that they would have enough reserve energy left to make it to safety. Then Hal snapped Sinestro's neck, but Sinestro was always a monster. But when Hal atomized Kilowog, who was the only person left standing between him and the central power battery, that was the moment. Even Hal admitted he crossed a line and didn't deserve to wear the ring anymore.
* Mongul II, the son of the original Mongul, kickstarted his career as his father's successor by punching his own sister's head off to eliminate any in-family competition. He's only gotten worse from there [[spoiler: until he tried to take control of the Sinestro Corps in a coup and was imprisoned in the Central Power Battery by Sinestro himself for it.]]
* ComicBook/VandalSavage, being an immortal villain in DC Comics continuity, has had several millennia and hundreds, if not possibly thousands, of opportunities to cross it, with just a few of the examples we know about listed on his character page. Of those listed, however, perhaps his most disturbing MEH-crossing candidate is [[spoiler:setting up his daughter Scandal to be raped because [[IWantGrandkids he wants an heir]]]].

* ''ComicBook/CaptainAmerica''
** For the ComicBook/RedSkull in the main universe it's hard to pin down when he crossed it. It actually seems like he was born in the MoralEventHorizon. He is consistently portrayed as [[EvenEvilHasStandards the one supervillain that all other supervillains loathe.]]
** Another baddie who fits this trope is the Scarecrow (not to be confused with the ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' villain). While he was always a criminal who enjoyed scaring and robbing people, when he's captured by Captain America he goes completely over the edge and becomes a sadistic murderer, impaling innocent people with his pitchfork as a means of trying to draw Cap out to stop him. He gets the attention of Comicbook/GhostRider instead, and ends up impaled on his own pitchfork in the ensuing battle. Things went further downhill when the Scarecrow was revived as an undead zombie with the ability to cause fear in his enemies.
* ''Comicbook/CivilWar'' had Tony Stark putting the unregistered superheroes into the Negative Zone which cause Spiderman to have doubts and eventually leave the pro-registration side. And there's also Stark, Reed Richards and Hank Pym using Thor's DNA to make a clone of him which resulted to said clone killing Goliath.
* The Purple Man started out as a low-grade ''Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}'' villain. Then came ''Comicbook/{{Alias}}'' (not to be confused with the TV show), in which he humiliated, abused, and tortured Jessica Jones in every non-rape way available. But he does rape people as well. Just in case there was any doubt he's a total scum bag. He kidnapped women and raped them ''[[ForcedToWatch in front of her]]'' as a way to mock her for being an ineffective superhero.
* Marvel's Loki finally achieved one of these in ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' #645. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even the fiercely loyal Loki/Tom Hiddleston fandom was revolted]] when he, apparently, forcefully assimilated kid!Loki into himself so that he could achieve his plan of "changing" his role in the universe himself.
** As later revealed in ''Comicbook/YoungAvengers'' things were ''a lot'' more complicated. Technically the Loki who took over the kid's body wasn't past Loki to begin with, that version truly seems to have died in the ''Comicbook/{{Siege}}'', but a personality copy created by him for this purpose as a CloningGambit of sorts. The copy, however, had a conscience (among other differences), and was haunted by guilt over this. By ''Comicbook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'' this new Loki actively tried to pull a BecomingTheMask, against pretty much ''everybody''. [[spoiler:No they (other differences: like not strictly being ''he'') haven't succeeded in that... but they did manage to avert becoming evil again.]] It takes some special kind of talent to screw over ''two'' versions of yourself ''from the grave''.
** Speaking of past Loki. Some might say he crossed the moral event horizon long ago, in The Mighty Thor Annual #14, where he kills a man named Theoric, pretends to be him to manipulate his betrothed, Sigyn, and marry her, taking advantage of Asgardian law, which has no annulment or divorce agreements, to keep being married to her.
** Loki once held Eric Masterson's son, Kevin, hostage to goad Thor to fight him. When he expressed reluctance at killing his brother, Loki showed him he was very willing to kill by blasting at Kevin and his mother; while the Enchantress altered events by having Kevin's guardian Susan be vaporized instead, Kevin saw everything that happened. This act was so heinous that Thor ''did'' kill him for it.
* {{Creator/Marvel}} rogue [[JekyllAndHyde Mr. Hyde]] was always a violent, brutal thug of a villain, but his true MEH crossing would have to be in Avengers #275 and #276, when he beat the Avengers' butler Jarvis half to death while Jarvis was tied up and helpless. Hyde did this just to hurt ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, who could only watch as the horrible scene played out.
** In an earlier story, Captain America #251 and #252, Hyde wanted revenge against the Cobra for betraying him, but wasn't sure where in New York he was. He decided to cut the knot by ''blowing up the entire city'' with an oil tanker even after Captain America gave himself up as per his request.
* Namor the Comicbook/SubMariner was always one of Marvel's darker {{Anti Hero}}es, but he finally crosses this threshold in the "Game of Worlds" storyline in ''Comicbook/NewAvengers'' when he [[spoiler: destroys the home Earth of the Great Society and all its billions of inhabitants]]. It can be argued that his reason for doing so was sympathetic, due to [[spoiler: that Earth being about to collide with the main Earth, which would doom both]], but the narrative clearly paints him as now beyond redemption, for two reasons: first, [[spoiler: the Great Society's Earth was far better off than the main Earth, to the point that several of Namor's comrades seriously considered destroying their own world]], and second, the very next thing he does is to join up with Thanos, Maximus the Mad, Terrax, and several other supervillains to [[spoiler: make ''pre-emptive strikes'' on other alternate Earths]].
* In ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'', Nico cast a spell on the time-travelers Dale and Stacey Yorkes that forced them to live the rest of their lives knowing that their whole family would be wiped out and unable to do anything about it, as a punishment for their attempt to nuke Manhattan in 1907. In-universe, her decision to use the "Settle Down" spell on Klara is regarded as a grave offense by Molly, due to its similarities to [[MindRape the things Molly's evil parents used to do to her]].
* ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} is well-known in the MU for his hideous cruelty and boundless sadism and has done far, far too many awful things in his career to list, but his worst example involved his befriending Daken and playing the role of the father figure that Daken so desperately yearned for, all the while slowly grooming him for a confrontation with Wolverine. That confrontation did indeed occur, and Wolverine was forced to kill his own son as a result. Why did Creed do this, again? Simple: he just wanted to hurt Logan on the absolute deepest level possible, and forcing Logan to kill his own son accomplished just that. Oh, and it probably goes without saying, but Creed feigned every single bit of affection and saw Daken as nothing more than a means with which to hurt Logan, and he made it clear that he would have unceremoniously murdered Daken himself had he sensed that his manipulations weren't taking.
** It wasn't just Daken. This storyline involved Sabretooth manipulating Daken into abusing and torturing the teenage clone of {{Apocalypse}}, who, again, was a thirteen-year-old boy. Note, the only reason Sabretooth did any of this was to screw with Wolverine. He risked creating another {{Apocalypse}} and destroying the world as we know it just to screw with Wolverine.
* ''Comicbook/SecretInvasion'' has the Skrull Queen Veranke making Wasp into a bio-bomb which would kill everyone around her, forcing Thor to MercyKill her. All the heroes and villains want to get Veranke's head for this with Norman Osborn, of all people, going for the kill shot.
* Either ComicBook/TheSentry [[spoiler: or Void, as we don't know for sure which side of his mind was in charge]], crossed the MEH when he [[spoiler: ripped [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ares, God Of War]] in half]] -- suddenly all discussions over the Internet about if he should be a member of Avengers after the end of ComicBook/DarkReign were replaced with discussions about how he should be killed or why having him anywhere near Avengers is a bad joke.
* ''ComicBook/SpiderMan''
** [[ComicBook/NormanOsborn Green Goblin]] very famously crossed it when he killed Spidey's girlfriend Gwen Stacy.
** ComicBook/DoctorOctopus and the rest of the Sinister Six, Franchise/SpiderMan's recurring VillainTeamUp, have all murdered a few times over the decades, but it usually happened to {{Asshole Victim}}s, so most readers could shrug it off and continue to at least partially root for them. Then came the early 90's storyline, ''Revenge Of The Sinister Six'' (not to be confused with the novel of the same name). As part of their plan to take over the world, they invade another dimension and steal the highly-advanced weaponry they find there. And to test it out, they kill ''over 143,000'' of that dimension's natives. Spidey himself is stunned, noting that the Six rarely if ever kill. Their bloody campaign continues when they return to Earth, killing at the bare minimum four dozen people (an explicitly given body count), and Octopus threatens to blow-up the world with orbiting weapon satellites if the assembled heroes don't stop fighting him. By the time it's over, a clearly soul-weary Spidey notes that way too many people are heading to the hospital or morgue.
** An interesting example for another villain, Kraven the Hunter. Kraven claimed to have a code of honor, and didn't (usually) pursue enemies he believed to be beneath his prowess. When he [[spoiler: killed himself]] at the end of "ComicBook/KravensLastHunt", he seemed to validate his claims of being an honorable (if unhinged) man. Years later, when his previously unknown family starts showing up, we get a different image of Kraven, particularly after [[spoiler:they resurrect him]] in "Grim Hunt". Specifically, he [[spoiler:kills]] his wife, and was implied to have abused her in the past. The worst, though, has to be [[AbusiveParents what he did to his remaining children, Alyosha and Ana]]. He [[spoiler:pits them against each other in a battle to the death, and it's revealed that Ana won.]] Although Ana initially seems fine with this, when she gets into a rematch with the ''ComicBook/ScarletSpider'', she's shown to [[spoiler:have a death wish from the guilt she carries of murdering her older brother.]] Father of the Year, Kraven certainly isn't.
*** Kraven still looks like a saint compared to his family. He never asked to be resurrected, and in fact that resurrection entailed a whole slew of murders, including [[spoiler:Madame Web, Mattie Franklin, Kaine, the wife of the original Rhino, a mentally ill man who wanted to become the Rhino, and Bill Connors, the son of the Lizard]].
** The Lizard crossed the MoralEventHorizon when it ate Billy Connors, Curt Connors's son. This sent Curt's personality flying across the DespairEventHorizon into outright oblivion, leaving only the Lizard personality intact [[spoiler: even when he was restored to human form]]. Even the Lizard seems to realize that it crossed the line and is plagued with guilt over Billy's death.
*** Connors appeared to cross the line himself in an earlier story, when he revealed that he'd always been in charge of the Lizard's actions (which included killing a lot of people). However this story also had him act like he knew that Peter Parker was Spider-man, something he'd ''never'' known, and was so poorly received that it's been ignored by every subsequent author.
*** Also, his MEH crosses with another : [[spoiler: the aforementioned Kravinoff family manipulated Lizard into killing Billy, as part of a larger, sicker scheme to corrupt Spider-Man]].
** Mysterio was an egotistical, second tier villain with LargeHam tendencies. Then came Creator/KevinSmith's Comicbook/{{Daredevil}} arc "Guardian Devil", where Mysterio [[spoiler:tries to drive Daredevil to madness in a scheme that involved the murders of an innocent teenage girl, her parents, a prostitute, and (indirectly), DD's girlfriend Karen Page. To top it all off, Mysterio planned to push Daredevil over the MEH himself by getting him to kill a baby Mysterio had set up as TheAntiChrist. At the end of the arc, Mysterio commits suicide, so we don't know if this new status would have stuck.]] To implicate [[spoiler: the baby as the Anti-Christ, he impregnated the aforementioned virgin teenage girl while she was doped up to see angels. Fortunately the [[{{Squick}} exact method]] was not specified.]] And his motive for all of this? He was [[spoiler: dying of cancer at the time, and wanted to die fighting a superhero. At the time he came up with the scheme his real nemesis Spiderman was AWOL and he didn't think fighting a clone was satisfactory. So he picked Daredevil instead because Daredevil had stopped one of his insurance fraud schemes in the past. His real goal in the end was to get Daredevil to kill him and give him the death he wanted.]]
*** An exquisitely cruel one in the ''ComicBook/OldManLogan'' non-canon [[{{Elseworlds}} miniseries]]: he tricks Wolvie into [[spoiler:seeing all the other ComicBook/XMen as an invading army of supervillains. Wolvie kills them all.]] You could argue the real MEH crossing is the illusion being lifted [[spoiler:in time for him to see the dying Jubilee saying, "Why?"]]
* In the ''Planet X'' storyline, Grant Morrison tried to do this with ComicBook/{{Magneto}}, whom he considered a "mad old terrorist twat." Not surprisingly, it didn't take, and was quickly [[RetCon retconned]] away. Morrison at least had the decency, however, to explain Magneto's OutOfCharacter behavior: [[spoiler:possession by [[TheVirus John Sublime]]]].
** In the Ultimate Universe Magneto crossed it for good when he brings about the events of ''Ultimatum'' and kills millions of innocent people, including numerous ''mutants''. Just to make it clear to the audience that he's too far gone to be redeemed, he callously kills Multiple Man when Multiple Man tries to stand up to him. His actions are so atrocious that Cyclops snaps and breaks his no killing rule for the first and only time and blows his head off out of disgust.
* ''ComicBook/TheUltimates'': Ultimate Red Skull was shown to be a typical evil bad guy, and then he threw a baby out the window. Immediately afterward it's heavily implied he had his henchmen rape the mother. Immediately before this he had told the mother that he'd let the baby live if she would be so kind as to kill her own husband with a pair of ''dull scissors''. And he [[WhoShotJFK shot JFK]].
* ComicBook/{{Ultron}} was always a threat, but he crossed this line in ''ComicBook/UltronUnlimited'' when he laid waste to the country of Slorenia, killing every living creature in it. Among others are [[ComicBook/{{Runaways}} mind controlling Victor Mancha and killing his mother]], [[ComicBook/{{Annihilation}} conquering and assimilating the Kree empire with his sights on Earth]].
* In ''[[ComicBook/XForce Uncanny X-Force]]'', Archangel, corrupted by the "Death Seed" Apocalypse placed in him ''way'' back in the original run of ''ComicBook/XFactor'', crosses when he [[spoiler:kills Autumn Rolfson, a frail, likely sexually-abused anorexic woman, and one of his own followers, for objecting to him raising her son, a [[ILoveNuclearPower radiation-powered mutant]], to be a mass-murderer]]. This ''somehow'' ends up having more ''gravitas'' than when he depopulated a town 2 issues earlier.
* Miek of the Warbound crossed it during ''Comicbook/WorldWarHulk'' when he stabbed Rick Jones. Also, [[spoiler:he is the one responsible for the destruction of Sakaar (he didn't cause the explosion, but he knew it would happen and said nothing) so that the Hulk would go back to being the Worldbreaker.]]
* If the ''ComicBook/XMen'' villain Vulcan didn't cross the Horizon when he [[spoiler: killed Banshee as well as a ''lot'' of other people]], then he ''definitely'' crossed it when he [[spoiler: [[SelfMadeOrphan murdered his own father Corsair]].]].
* Some time during the X-Men Messiah Complex crossover for Bishop. The major incidents are recounted here allowing you, the reader, to draw your own conclusions. It could be that the whole crossover event is one giant Moral Event Horizon for Bishop.
** He waited until the other adult X-Men were away from the mansion pursuing the new mutant baby, the Marauders, and the Purifiers. He then stole some of Cassandra Nova's nano-sentinels and had them take over the O.N.E. Sentinels and set them against the mansion. The kids had to defend themselves against an attempted genocide. Bishop blamed that on Cable.
** Then he, in secret, made it to Dallas, attacked Forge, stole time travel tech, attacked Cable, and blamed Cable for the attack. The attack on Cable is directly responsible for the Marauders getting baby Hope. The panels imply that had the Marauders not attacked, he would have killed baby Hope right then and there.
** Bishop also lied to the X-Men and blamed Cable for his actions, and tried to murder Cable and the baby again and again on Muir Island. His last attack (just after Cable and Hope time-slid away) nearly killed Professor Xavier. And in the subsequent Cable and X-Force titles, He Got Worse.
* During one of the side-stories for Marvel's original ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' arc, [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] attacks a single mother at the woman's home, and gives the mother in question an NoHoldsBarredBeatdown in front of the woman's daughter, all the while taunting the daughter that she (Carol, that is) is going to throw Mommy in jail and take the little girl away so that the two will never see each other unless Mommy does everything Carol orders her to do. For a lot of fans, this pretty much destroyed any possibility of Danvers being seen as a hero.
** In ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'', [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] crosses this line when [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]] reveals that Ulysses' precognitive powers aren't predicting the actual future but a possible future, has this confirmed by the Beast and she ''still'' opts to continue to believing the predictions and pushing her "Change the Future" stance. The thing that kicks off the fight is when she and S.H.I.E.L.D. arrests a woman with the only evidence of something bad she could have done being Ulysses' vision of her and an empty suitcase. Many fans who were apparently unaware of her earlier portrayal as a pragmatic hard-ass willing to hurt innocent people to accomplish the mission consider this portrayal "character assassination."

* ''ComicBook/AcePowers'': Heat Devron ImpersonatingAnOfficer and ordering the police to kill all his henchmen.
* Jodafra from the Eighth Doctor ''Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine'' comics is initially introduced as a roguish trickster who is nowhere near as bad as [[DeadlyDecadentCourt some of his relatives]]. Then in his second appearance he tries to feed a bunch of little children to a monster in exchange for mystic power and, when his own niece [[EvenEvilHasStandards objects to this]], gives her a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown with his walking stick that leaves the Doctor, who's seen some pretty ugly stuff, shocked when he sees the state of her. Unfortunately, thanks to an AbortedArc, we never got to see him get his comeuppance.
* ''ComicBook/TheEyeSees'': Ganza plotting to bomb a United States embassy to get America involved in a civil war.
* Eric in ''ComicBook/AGodSomewhere'' crosses the MoralEventHorizon for most when he rapes his sister-in-law and cripples his brother. But the narrator, his former best friend Sam, notes that throughout the series of ensuing mass murders, he was still ambivalent about Eric. He finally crosses the MoralEventHorizon in Sam's eyes when the military unit with whom Sam had been embedded as a reporter sneak up on the cave where the two of them are talking, and Eric slaughters them right in front of him.
* ''ComicBook/{{Gunsmoke}}'': Carr murders his own father-in-law so a range war he's masterminding gets bloody quicker.
* In ''ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}}'' the very first thing we see [[FaceHeelTurn former]] [[TheCape Cape]] the Plutonian do is incinerate a little girl's mother, baby brother and father in front of her eyes before, it's implied, murdering her off panel. That's not even the first atrocity he's committed; we learn that he's just destroyed a city and murdered a large portion of the population with in it. And horribly murdered more than a few of his old friends (of whom the father was one). He shows no signs of slowing down in later issues. [[spoiler: Including the complete annihilation of Singapore.]]
* ''ComicBook/KickAss'':
** [[spoiler: Red Mist and his father manage to cross it at the same time, after setting up Kick-Ass and the others. First, they beat the shit out of them. When Hit Girl tries to fight back, Johnny G orders his men to shoot her in the back, which they gladly do, sending her flying out a window. Red Mist then raves about how awesome that was, demonstrating that he's either a total sociopath or at least isn't very good at separating comic books from reality. In either case, that's the moment when both of them stop being mere villains and cross the line. Interestingly, the film turned this into a humanising EvenEvilHasStandards moment for Red Mist by having him instead be suitably horrified.]]
** Also [[spoiler:the revelation that Big Daddy isn't an ex-cop and dragged his daughter into the lifestyle after running away from her and lying to her about the fate of her mother]]. This is one point where a decent amount of people seem to prefer the film version of the character over the comic due to the absence of this.
** In ''Volume Two'', they pull out all the stops to make the villains seem unstomachably cruel, clearly in an attempt to eradicate any surrogate thrill the reader might get from their exploits. Don't-give-a-shit wanton violence is such a primal power-fantasy, they really wanted it to seem as disgusting as it would in real life. Most common criticism is that they went too far in this, parts of the book are just really unpleasant to read.
* ''ComicBook/KismetManOfFate'': Herr Schering crosses it by having 700 people killed ''in one day'' [[DisproportionateRetribution in retaliation for the assassination of one man]].
* ''Comicbook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen'''s Griffen was implausibly popular with fans in the first volume, never mind he was introduced raping teenage girls and shown casually murdering an innocent policeman. To make sure we realise he's a very bad man in Vol 2, he sells Earth to the Martians in Vol 2 -- and assaults Mina. It's the latter rather than anything else that results in his KarmicDeath -- by which point a reader can't feel any sympathy for him at all.
** Likely because this is a common sexual fantasy, of a pedestal-residing woman being available to someone who sees their social standing as lower than dirt. Some scenes in ''Hollow Man'' also play off of this, though they end in killing instead as the serum has driven to recipients batshit crazy by then. Essentially the male equivalent of a bodice-ripper, as far as the reasonings behind this go. (for execution purposes, see guys who got off to the movie ''Disclosure'')
* ''ComicBook/TheLoneWarrior'': The Dictator's Shadow causing a fleet of airplanes to crash just to test a super-weapon.
* The title character of the ''Comicbook/{{Lucifer}}'' comics [[KickTheDog punted dogs]] as a hobby (naturally), establishing him quite firmly as an epic DeadpanSnarker and SociopathicHero that was as amusing and badass as those tropes suggest. This continued all the way until the Basanos arc, where in a rather impressive twist the Basanos actually mortally injured him... only for Lucifer to reveal that he had manipulated TokenMiniMoe Elaine from the start and tricked her into dying in his place. He might have redeemed himself later on (bringing Elaine BackFromTheDead helped) but the [[WordOfGod writer]] mentioned that he considered Lucifer's destruction of The Mansions of The Silence Lucifer's point of no return, destroying ''billions'' of souls ''because he was impatient''.
* In ''ComicBook/{{Negation}}'', Komptin captures Kaine on Komptin's homeworld. He goes to his mother's place and stashes Kaine there until Komptin's superiors arrive. [[spoiler: His brother, however, is secretly part of an anti-Negation resistance force, and he helps free Kaine. When Komptin's superior finds out he demands that Komptin discipline his brother or it's his job. Komptin thinks for a moment, and then viciously murders both his brother and mother.]] Prior to this point in the story, Komptin, while clearly a bad guy, was portrayed with a small degree of sympathy: a hard-working but misfortunate underdog who wants nothing more than to be a successful leader within the Negation. With this act, that characterization changed, and Komptin was afterwards depicted as colder and crueler, living only for his job - and for revenge on Kaine especially.
* In ''ComicBook/NoHero'', two members of the "superhero" team Front Line [[spoiler: bring down a passenger jet full of people to give the newest member of the team Josh a chance to earn some good PR after his horribly mutated face was accidentally revealed to the public]]. Front Line has apparently been pulling stunts like this for decades [[spoiler: in order to maintain their control over the world.]] No wonder [[spoiler: the governments of the world finally got fed up with their bullshit and sent their pet killer Josh to bring them down from the inside.]]
* ''ComicBook/PatPatriotAmericasJoanOfArc'': Haubner crosses this when he orders a bombing he's plotting to go through despite the unexpected presence of [[WouldHurtAChild twenty children]].
* While the man who would eventually become the Saint of Killers from ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'' had already a staggering kill record to his name (among other heinous actions), he was nonetheless a decent human being (at least [[EvenEvilHasStandards compared to most of his murderous peers)]], and for a time lived a life devoid of killing people. However, he finally crossed over when, in the course of [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge brutally avenging]] the peaceful life that he lost, he cold-bloodedly [[ShootTheHostage killed an innocent]] for the first time in his life, damning himself to Hell in the process. What came afterwards (including the Ratwater genocide) was merely a formality, as it's arguable that he was too far gone by then. Even this is arguable since the series BigBad, [[RageAgainstTheHeavens God]], is still considered worse. In fact, the Saint of Killers gets a happy ending by ''killing'' God and taking his throne, finally able to rest.
** Also, partially subverted for Cassidy, who slowly approaches the horizon through many of the later books, then seems to cross over forever when he [[spoiler: shacks up with a devastated and drugged-out Tulip after Jesse's apparent death scene, lying to her and keeping her stoned to keep her dependent on him]]. Seemingly subverted when [[spoiler: Jesse takes his hand in a redemptive gesture after their big fight scene]], the seemingly played straight when [[spoiler: Cassidy uses this hand-shake as an opening to sucker-punch Jesse and cripple him]], then subverted one more time when we learn that [[spoiler: Cassidy made a deal with God to betray Jesse this way, in exchange for a promise that Jesse would make it out alive and ok in the end]].
** [[CorruptHick Jody]] crosses when he [[BoomHeadshot blows Tulip O'Hare's brains out]] (she gets better) for the "crime" of being a positive influence in Jesse Custer's life, as does [[EvilMatriarch Marie L'Angelle]], who ordered the deed. A subsequent flashback shows that Marie and her men spent Jesse's childhood merrily murdering their way through anyone and anything that gave Jesse one iota of happiness.
* From ''ComicBook/TheSandman'', Doctor Destiny's Diner of Death. JLA Villain John Dee may have [[KickTheDog kicked the dog]] when he shot a woman who had been nice to him, but the real proof that he had turned irrevocably evil came next issue. Sure, he would routinely plot to drive the whole world insane back in the silver age, but what he does to those six people over a 24-hour period will keep you awake for days. And the fact that he let the rest of the world tumble into madness at the same time shows that he went for both the macroscopic and microscopic level of sadism. Arguably the cruelest thing he did to those six people was to briefly give them back their minds in the middle of his sick game. When one of his victims demanded to know why he was torturing them, this was his response:
--->'''John Dee:''' ''Because I can.''
** This is useful in showing Dream's moral compass: he doesn't care that much, just wanting his stuff back and returning Dee to Arkham. It's also evidence of how ''The Sandman'' is not your typical comic. Dream doesn't have a heroic spaz attack, he doesn't beat up Dee, he doesn't even punish him. When it's all over, he gives Dee back the power to sleep. Dee once again becomes an old, addled man in an asylum. He may not have been redeemed, but he's not a monster either, even though even your most depraved villains seldom hold a candle to what he did.
* ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'':
** Drago Wolf is hated by nearly every fan of the comic, and with good reason; turning traitor and joining Robotnik? Not nearly as bad as browbeating your abused girlfriend into killing the leader of the resistance and framing the titular character for it.
*** To make her an even more sympathetic character, she had no idea what she was doing when she nearly killed Sally. Drago gave her a Sonic mask (to make Sonic look like the hero) that had circuitry in the eyes that turned everyone in view into a duplicate of Snively, Robotnik's right hand. So, to recap: he bullied her into committing murder (even of a villain), gave her a mask that made her confuse her leader with her supposed target, and causes Sonic to be framed on the side. Yeah, Drago's a bastard.
** Robotnik himself--or rather "Eggman." He'd been spending most of his time since his return trying to re-establish himself as a credible arch-villain. Then along comes his Egg Grapes--a set of devices that drain the life force of Mobians to power his machinery. The process is fatal. Eggman re-killed off the echidna race with 'em. Charmy Bee was in one for less than a minute and his brain is still a bit scrambled. When the Grapes were introduced, his sidekick/robotic daughter asked why he would do this when there were many methods of power production that were much more effective. His response was that none of the other methods were "as fun."
*** The same goes for the original Robotnik, the man who once called himself Julian Kintobor. The man attempts to take over an Overlander city and ends up being rescued by Mobians. His response? Initiate a coup, roboticize countless Mobians and hold the planet in a death grip for ten years. Before his death at the hands of Sonic himself, he crosses it one last time by setting Sonic up for the death of Sally and proceeds to wipe Knothole off the face of the map (both get better)
** Geoffery St. John. Grief-stricken by the death of his father, he learns of the trapped Ixis Naugus and starts conspiring in order to get revenge on those who lead to his father's death. When the rescued King Acorn asked St. John to recruit people for his Secret Service, he purposely recruited people with less-than-friendly reputations for the sole purpose of pinning the blame on them should his BatmanGambit fall apart and he be revealed. In short order, he double-crosses Sonic, gives Naugus one of the Chaos Emeralds, and helps initiate a coup that would indirectly lead to the destruction of the Freedom Fighters.
** Thrash the Devil. The [[LastOfHisKind last of the normal Mobian-type Tasmanian Devils]] as all of the others have been killed off by time and are replaced by the mindless Devil Dogs they are today because of scientific experiments performed by the Echidnas. He enacts probably one of the worst cases of DisproportionateRetribution by exiling ''all echidnas except for Knuckles and Dr. Finitevus'' into another dimension, despite all of them, including Knuckles himself, having nothing to do with what happened to them. What's worse, Charmy's wife, Saffron, is caught in the crossfire and tossed in, too! It's made very clear to the reader throughout that Thrash doesn't care who he has to hurt or murder to do it, as long as ''he gets what he wants''.
*** (In Reality Thrash exiling Saffron and Julie-Su was more due to legal issue than story.) Somewhat downplayed that he does care for other people as long as their not echidnas unfortunately and Thrash (as well as Geoffrey) Moral Even Horizon was caused by being Well Intentioned Extremist rather than being evil.
** Metal Sonic was a non-sentient robot for most of the series but was finally given sentience in ''Sonic Universe'' #50. This ''very first issue'' of him having a personality has apparently ''murder Shard'' one of the most heroic and likable characters in the comic. This is only after a fight that Metal Sonic started by threatening to murder a comatose hospital patient in his bed. Metal Sonic's only complaint about what he did in that issue was that ''he wasn't getting to kill Sonic''.
* This will come as a surprise to some people, but ''WesternAnimation/SpongebobSquarepants'' and his friend Patrick qualify in one of their Magazine/{{Nickelodeon Magazine}} comics. In it, after they discover a gigantic bowl of ice cream, they find themselves in another world with [[AnthropomorphicFood people made of ice-cream related food that look]] [[MakesJustAsMuchSenseInContext just like the duo and their friends]] [[AlternateUniverse back in Bikini Bottom]]. The dessert people welcome the two in open arms, which the two greatly return. [[spoiler: And by greatly return we mean GO BATSHIT CRAZY AND [[SugarApocalypse EAT EVERYONE]]!! We don't actually see it, but we do see Spongebob and Patrick's psychotic faces as they attack...and the very next panel is them, incredibly fat, and the whole town of ice cream reduced to a lifeless desert.]] JUST. WOW. (Though in their defense, probably, the ice cream was ImpossiblyDeliciousFood.)
* In the ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'', Raana Tey from the Knights of the Old Republic Series murders her own student, frames the loveable protaganist Zayne Carrick, hires mercenaries to spy on his family, and manipulates his ex-girlfriend into trying to kill him.
** From the same series, [[TheManBehindTheMan Haazen]] crosses the horizon when we learn exactly why he warped the Covenant into [[KnightTemplar knights templar]], orchestrated the deaths of hundreds of people, and ruined Zayne's life- purely out of jealousy for Barrison Draay, who he already killed years ago. That StartOfDarkness made Haazen a pathetic, strangely tragic figure - but it also prevented anyone from sympathizing with the present Haazen again.
** Issues 45 and 46 are this for Chantique. Before it was obvious that she wasn't exactly the most stable individual, but these issues showed just how depraved she really is. She mindrapes Zayne by showing him 1000 years of pain and suffering, forces him to fight the slave he befriended, mocks him when the slave commits suicide, and she keeps him alive just so that he can drive Jarael away. And it works, with Zayne failing to realize that he was deceived until it was too late. And she does it all to get revenge on Jarael.
*** Also, the little surprise she prepared for her father Demagol. Just these words:
---> '''Demagol:''' "Where are the children? You said they were out here."
---> '''Jarael:'''"You didn't pay attention. I said they were IN the courtyard"
* In ''ComicBook/{{Legacy}}'', [[BigBad Darth Krayt]], in a fit of temper after losing an important shipyard, orders ten percent of the Mon Calamari species executed on the spot and the rest imprisoned in camps to be worked to death. Even the other Sith thought it was a bit much. As for the reader...
* ''ComicBook/SuperAmerican'': Tyrannus ordering a small town flooded to cover up him escaping justice.
* ''ComicBook/TheTransformersLastStandOfTheWreckers'': One can pick and choose when [[BigBad Overlord]] crossed it. There are three big standouts: his earliest actions which were murdering the Decepticon commanding officer, storming the prison, and tossing the Warden to the inmates. When he casually murders Rotorstorm by blowing his cranium open, or at the very end, when in the climactic fight, he tells Springer that all the guards and Autobots they were trying to save he ordered killed as soon as they landed.
* The Governor from ''ComicBook/TheWalkingDead'' explicitly steps across a new one of these (or is revealed/implied to have done so) in any scene where he appears for more than a page. By the time he [[spoiler: is eventually killed by his own people assaulting the prison after making them execute about 90% of the cast including Rick's wife Lori and their infant daughter Judy]], his MEH crossings look like the line of doors from the opening sequence of Get Smart.
* Curious example from ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', in that many readers think BigBad [[spoiler:Ozymandias]]'s crossing of the Horizon and the greatest crime he commits are two distinct things. Sure he [[spoiler:depopulated New York]], but he had a damn good reason for doing that ([[spoiler:preventing the UsefulNotes/ColdWar from going hot and depopulating the entire planet]]). But when he [[spoiler:gives a dozen innocent people cancer to discredit Dr. Manhattan, cold-bloodedly murders his absolutely loyal refugee servants to prevent them being a loose end, and pulls a YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness on his loving pet Bubastis in an attempt to kill [[PhysicalGod Dr. Manhattan]], which turns out not to work]], it becomes a whole lot harder to sympathize with him.
** If [[SociopathicSoldier The Comedian]] didn't cross when he tried to rape the first Silk Spectre, he definitely did when he murdered his [[DisproportionateRetribution pregnant lover because she gave him a scar]]. Dr. Manhattan's sheer apathy at witnessing said murder is arguably a MoralEventHorizon crossing for him, as well; The Comedian himself certainly thinks so.
*** The ''ComicBook/BeforeWatchmen: Minutemen'' mini-series adds another potential crossing point for the Comedian - [[spoiler:He framed Hooded Justices for the crimes committed by Rolf Muller by kidnapping some poor kid from Nite Owl's neighborhood, which led to Nite Owl accidentally killing Justice. The worst part? It's implied that Hooded Justice was actually one of Muller's victims]].
* ''ComicBook/WillEisnersWonderMan'': General Attila bombing a Red Cross hospital.
* ''ComicBook/TheWraith'': Joe Carrol scaring his own father to death and laughing about it.
* [[Comicbook/TwoThousandAD Judge Death]] decides that, as all crime is committed by the living, everyone must be sentenced to death, and uses a mixture of psychic and nuclear weaponry to wipe out all life on his planet.
* Augustus Medici of ''ComicBook/OneHundredBullets'' is a ruthless [[TheDon Mafia boss]] and AncientConspiracy member, but for the majority of the series seemed to have some lines he wouldn't cross. In the last three issues, however, facing a possible [[OutGambitted out-gambitting]] by some of the conspiracy's younger blood, he [[spoiler: abruptly resigns his seat in favor of his son Benito... then [[OffingTheOffspring has Benito killed the next day]]. The resulting power vacuum liquidates every single member of the cast but three, [[TheChessmaster exactly as Augustus intended]], but in hindsight he probably shouldn't have bothered: in killing his own son he manages to horrify his [[TheDragon pet hitman]] Phillip Graves, and Graves's sudden attack of [[EvenEvilHasStandards standards]] proves just the SpannerInTheWorks necessary to shut Augustus down for good]].
** [[TheSociopath Lono]]'s rape of Sophie the waitress. While Sophie and her boyfriend Carlos hitting Lono with their car and stealing his money was definitely wrong, [[DisproportionateRetribution Lono's response]] is to tie her to a bed and assault her non-stop for hours on end. When Carlos discovers this, he [[ForcedToWatch makes Sophie watch]] as he [[NeckSnap breaks Carlos's neck]].