Working Title: [=Woobie Destroyer of Worlds:=] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=cg9hqb9etusumhpnyjz4y5qs&trope=WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds From YKTTW]]

TheAdversary: Reworked it so the examples would match the description. By the way, we now need a trope for villains that want to end the world to end suffering.

{{alliterator}}: Removed the Columbine example, because I really don't think ''anybody'' considers them woobies. And I felt really uncomfortable with that example.

And, hang on, who is "that dude in CowboyBebop"? [[BuffySpeak Could you vague that up for me?]]

pawsplay: You don't think the Columbine killers were sad, miserable people trying to take revenge on the world? As for Cowboy Bebop, there's some evil dude trying to kill everyone with a nanite weapon because he's sad and lonely and knows he's been screwed over somehow.

{{Attilargh}}: This trope seems awfully vague. Could someone beef the description up a bit?

FastEddie: Woo! Yeah, the initial YKTTW description had a bit that was more clear. I copied it in.

{{alliterator}}: ''You don't think the Columbine killers were sad, miserable people trying to take revenge on the world?'' Yes, but a) they weren't fictional, b) they were sad and miserable because of being bullied, not because their lives had been any worse than what most teens go through, and c) they weren't trying to take revenge on the world, but on the school and their peers. I just think a real world example like that doesn't belong on this page.

And I was attempting to point out that the CowboyBebop example was too vague. If you have the information to flesh it out, please do so.

pawsplay: Obviously, the Cowboy Bebop example was too vague. Just as obviously, I don't have the information and can't be arsed. :)

{{Clevomon}}: I'm hesitating before mentioning [[spoiler:Shion]] from [[HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi Higurashi]]. One or two complications with her: 1) she doesn't have the capability to do even the chunk of the world focused on (Hinamizawa). 2) Her motives are at the beginning about revenge, but then become more and more senseless as it goes on. Not sure if she's directly motivated by the BreakTheCutie or not. Also debating adding [[spoiler:Takano]], but I'm not sure if she'd be considered a {{Woobie}} to begin with.

{{Cassy}}: I think [[spoiler: Takano]] fits alright. Did you have a look at the arc about her childhood? It's one of the most {{Narm}}esque things ever, but she's a woobie of [[DeusAngstMachina epic proportions]] when [[spoiler: she loses her parents to a train accident and she's put in a foster home where she gets beaten and terrorized so much she seems to gradually go insane]]. It might even get worse after that, the rest hasn't been made into a manga yet and I haven't watched the whole anime. BTW, the title of this trope is MadeOfWin!

Dausuul: Corrected MoralEventHorizon to MoraleEventHorizon. A WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds has crossed the MoraleEventHorizon (utter despair resulting in permanent character change) pretty much by definition, but also by definition has ''not'' crossed the MoralEventHorizon (a crime so heinous as to make the character permanently irredeemable in the eyes of the audience); anyone who has crossed the MoralEventHorizon cannot be a Woobie.

{{Clevomon}}: Uh... so Takano goes back off? You'll find plenty of fans (including me) who think she's crossed that one.

{{ccoa}}: Removed this example:

* Seymour in ''FinalFantasyX'' plans to destroy the world of Spira in order to stop what he calls its cycle of suffering, believing that he's doing everyone a favor by putting them out of their misery.

Because Seymour is not a woobie by any stretch of the imagination.

{{Bob}}: Despite the name, you don't actually have to be TheWoobie for this. Seymour fits the "The WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds either thinks s/he is doing the world a favor" perfect. What doesn't fit is Dr. Horrible. How is he trying to destroy everything?

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* How could we have not mentioned [[DrHorriblesSingAlongBlog Dr. Horrible?]]

{{Meshakhad}}: I'm thinking of putting a picture of Dark Willow up as the trope image. She's a prime example. Any objections?

Plasma Wing: Cutting
** Pain, in a sort of twist, kind of sees ''himself'' as this. The fanbase tends to [[MoralEventHorizon disagree.]]
Pain doesn't really want to destroy the world to end his suffering, or because he thinks people being dead will end their suffering. He wants people to suffer because he believes that it will end war through fear, and even then he doesn't believe that it's a permanent solution.
Also
** Sasuke seems to be heading this way now. After discovering from [[spoiler:Tobi]] that Itachi murdered all the Uchihas because [[spoiler:they were planning to take over Konoha]], he decides in his grief at what he's done ([[spoiler:he killed Itachi shortly prior to this revelation]]) that the best course of action is to [[spoiler:destroy Konoha himself, rendering Itachi's sacrifice completely moot]]. Not so much woobie in this case, though, depending on your point of view.
Don't see how this is an example of this trope at all.

Michael: Does Darth Sion count do you think?

JoieDeCombat: Cutting the following re: ''GundamSEED'':
*** As he was [[BeamSpam Beam Spamming]] everything around him at the time, it may not have been intentional. Depends on the viewer's perspective, and probably how much you liked [[spoiler:Flay]] in the first place.
...because it's clearly something he did intentionally just to [[KickTheDog screw with Kira]] - he wasn't {{Beam Spam}}ing at the time.
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{{Willbyr}}: I like the image of Shinji, but can it be shrunk down? The page formatting looks like crap trying to wrap around the image in its current size.

{{Meshakhad}}: I'm not so sure about that image, period. It doesn't evoke the trope at all - it's just a sad face. Nothing about "Destroyer of Worlds".

[=BritBllt=]: I laughed at the image, but yeah, it's not very helpful for anyone who doesn't already know Shinji. Still, I'm having a hard time thinking of any way to show "destroying the world for angsty reasons" in a picture. Maybe this pic plus a caption rewrite to get the "destroyer of worlds" bit across would help?

{{Meshakhad}}: The best I can think of is a screenshot of Willow holding Tara's body. The pure Dark Willow pic I had earlier wasn't much better.
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[=BritBllt=]: Trimming this...

* Azrael in ''{{Dogma}}'': [[spoiler:"Human, have you ever been to hell? I'd rather not exist than endure that experience a second longer, and if I have to drag down everyone else with me... so be it"]]. Subverted, because Azrael was an egotistical jerk through the whole movie.

to this...

* Azrael in ''{{Dogma}}'': [[spoiler:"Human, have you ever been to hell? I'd rather not exist than endure that experience a second longer, and if I have to drag down everyone else with me... so be it"]].

Despite the title, a character doesn't need to be TheWoobie to be a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds, and Azrael otherwise fits it to a tee. Having the unnecessary "subverted by him being a jerk" at the end just feels like the example's arguing with itself.