Does Kerrigan from {{Starcraft}} really subvert this? In the official SC 2 writeup for [[http://www.starcraft2.com/features/heroes/raynor.xml Jim Raynor]] it states:

->"Today Raynor seems to be losing faith: he's drinking heavily and blames himself for Kerrigan's being taken by the zerg."

It seems she's still a motive for him to "do his job". And even though she's alive and much more powerful, she does end up becoming much less heroic as a result of her tragedy. And of course, by becoming "Queen of Blades" she goes from victim to becoming {{The Vamp}} in Brood War.
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GeneriTroper: this whole trope bugs me. Why is it automatically assumed it's all about sexism and double standard? Killing women could just as easily be a stock KickTheDog/RapeTheDog moment for the villain(s), instantaneously establishing pity in viewers for the otherwise unremarkable victim and raising Deserved Hatred versus the bad guy(s).

{{Scientivore}}: Interesting. I initially made this as just a redirect for StuffedIntoTheFridge because WomenInRefrigerators is a much better-known phrase, with its own website and Wikipedia entry and everything. I see that {{Jisu}} found another use for it. Cool.

{{Jisu}}: I figured I'd try to please everyone and let WikiMagic do the rest.

Allandrel: Cut out the description of Kyle Rayner's girlfriend as being stuffed "Piece by piece" into the fridge, as she had actually not been dismembered. The script originally called for a panel showing her intact body in the refrigerator, but the editors thought that was too gruesome, so had it changed not to show her directly. Naturally, this backfired by making readers assume that the scene was even more gruesome that it was meant to be.

Tricky Pacifist: "The common counterargument is this occurs objectively: female characters tend to hold [[DistaffCounterpart Distaff Counterparts]] / {{Sidekick}}s / CListFodder status, making them more vulnerable to being treated as props." I'd really like to ask proponents of this argument if they have an objective reason why female characters tend to hold such secondary, deathbaiting status in the first place. This logic appears to run "Killing her off isn't sexist, it's just that the show's already sexist."

*{{Jonn}}: The prevailing assumption is that since men are running the shows, any female character who gets killed is an example of this trope. If a woman is in charge, [[DoubleStandard not so much]].
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Removed the Casca example. Why? Because not only was she kept alive, but she is still very much a part of the story, and not just for giving Guts a reason to hate Griffith. In fact, her mind being cured is the primary goal and focus of Guts and his new group, and she aids Farnese in recognizing her new strength (at first as Casca's protector but eventually as a potential magic user). Not to mention that rather than put her in a comatose state that many other authors would have, she still has a mind of her own (albeit one of a small child) and even defends herself against a rapist at one point, as Casca in her sane state of being would have--a possible hint that, even with her memory lost, a part of her former self still lingers.

{{Coolnut}}: I put it back. WIR does not mean the female in question has to die -- per the third paragraph in the trope definition, she could also be depowered and humiliated in a misogynistic flair, etc. What she did afterward in a [[TheChick chick-like state]] is beside the point. And considering that Casca hasn't gotten her mind back (it's a question of ''if'', I cynically think, rather than ''when''), well...

I still don't see how she qualifies as a WIR. As I said before, though she's "depowered", she's seldom shown to be "weak" or "feminine"--merely curious and childlike, with hints of her previous self still lingering. And as I also said before, her state may not be permanent and her mind being cured is the primary objective of the group; in the most recent chapters, they're currently sailing to the island that is said to carry the cure for Casca's state. Her being alive and the promise of her being cured is what is keeping Guts from going mad. She's not someone who "could have" been important, she's someone who ''is'' important.
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Dave: Is there any way we can add something for a specific writer and his shameless killing of love interests to forward the plot? I'm sure it doesn't really need to be said who I'm thinking about, but let's just say he falls mainly under TV, recently a bit in comics and a certain singalong blog

{{Coolnut}}: See AuthorAppeal if you haven't checked already :)

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Gnatlet: Since the entry is per se about sexism and women, is it apropos to mention male characters killed for the sole purpose of motivating a female ActionGirl?

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TwinBird: Score one for CompletelyMissingThePoint. These are not duplications of anything. Rather, they are differentiated from other DeathTropes by...you guessed it...'''the gender/sexuality of the victim!''' The point is that these characters' deaths tend to be well telegraphed by the fact itself, and treated in similar ways by the plot (as "punishment," or just [[AngstWhatAngst insufficiently]]). By this logic, you might cut all the DeathTropes since they're just the same thing - ''someone dies''. (Yes, this is copy-pasted, but what's wrong with that? It's the same objection each time.)

DragonQuestZ: And it's not even always about death. It's ''also'' about how comic writers tend to give women the shaft in stories. At least that's how a lot of the examples seem to come across.

BlackHumor: DeadKennedy, you seem to be doing this a lot. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Do_not_disrupt_Wikipedia_to_illustrate_a_point I'm sure we have this guideline here somewhere but this was easier to find.]]

Dead Kennedy: So why is there no MenInRefrigerators trope? I mean seriously, do one of you REALLY want to make the claim that writers '''NEVER''' give men the shaft in stories? I mean REALLY? From The Gospels to Hamlet to John Woo's ''The Killer'', media is full of examples male characters getting the shaft. That's what happens in literature! '''PEOPLE''' (gender-inclusive) get the shaft.

{{Nornagest}}: This is getting tiresome. I realize that endless debates over our treatment of race/class/gender issues are a time-honored tradition of this site, one which I've occasionally participated in, but do we have to spread the debate out over five or so discussion pages? Isn't this one of the things YKTTW, or the forums, is for?

(rest of argument deleted)

** This Troper is highly suspicious of Joss's feminist cred -- most of his female cast is either tortured or killed while men save them or at least try to. With all of the long-running cast of the Buffyverse, only [[spoiler:Willow]] and [[spoiler:Dawn]] are the only women not killed by the end.
*** Of course, what this overlooks is that 'BtVS' had an almost entirely female cast, with only a single male character remaining constant throughout the series. That kind of makes it hard to avoid killing female characters, unless you want to grant them immunity based on their gender, which would lead to a [[MenAreTheExpendableGender different issue]]. Furthermore, Joss killed or maimed at least as many male characters as female, if not more. [[spoiler:Angel]] and [[spoiler:Spike]], for example. Plus, counting recurring guest stars [[spoiler:Larry]] and [[spoiler:Jonathan]]. Not to mention [[spoiler:Xander]] losing an eye and if you want to count Angel's show, [[spoiler:''everyone'', male and female]] died, or had already been dead, by the end. When characters of both genders suffer in roughly equal numbers in an AnyoneCanDie show, I hardly think it would qualify as Wo

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{{Semiapies}}: This page needs clean-up. I'm going to make a major revision to the trope explanation, so here's why, in case people go WTF:

The problem here is a serious lack of clarity and agreement. "A combination of Double Standard and Stuffed Into The Fridge", the current opening of this trope, would imply a straight death-trope, referring only to deaths of female supporting characters with the UnfortunateImplication that there's ''nothing'' remarkable or objectionable about these deaths except for people reacting to the fact that female characters died.

However, there are rather a few minimally (and unhelpfully) explained references to the message of the "Women in Refrigerators" list and the particular critique behind it, which is ''not'' merely that somewhere, somehow, a female supporting character died or even that the character's death provoked vengeance.

The examples are an ugly mix of these two concepts; I'm not going to touch those now. But I'm going to try to give a concise explanation of what this idea is beyond the one-sentence pitch.


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TheNifty: Urrgh, I also can't believe just how bad the examples are on this page; at least 50% of them are just "this show has a female character die", which is NOT what this trope is about. Unless someone can tell me how any of these fit the trope, I'm cutting them:

* Inverted somewhat in {{Gundam 00}}, where [[spoiler: Louise's ''entire family'' is killed off to catalyze her transformation into a DarkActionGirl after the TimeSkip.]]
** But then she herself and [[spoiler: Kinue]] were used this way to make [[spoiler: Saji]] undergo CharacterDevelopment. Then there's also [[spoiler: Anew Returner]].
* Averted in the ''StreetFighterII'' animated [[TheMovie movie]]; yes, ActionGirl Chun-Li ends up battered into unconsciousness by Vega - but right before she passes out ''she puts him through a'' '''''wall''''' and kills him. [[spoiler: And she actually ''lives'' to tell this, too.]]
** They threw every disadvantage at her as they could too; she was ambushed (the guys have prep time for their fight), Vega is the only villian with a weapon (Sagat and Bison are pure fist; yes, even Bison), her fight was in an enclosed space (the final was outside, on a mountain with no collateral damage)
** There's a reason the Chun-Li/Vega fight is considered the most popular StreetFighter fight ever animated.
*** Yes, it's called ''ClothingDamage.''
**** And [[CrowningMusicOfAwesome 'Ultra'.]]
***** Well yes, but also because ''it's an incredible fight scene.''
* Let's have a moment of silence for [[spoiler:[[DarkActionGirl 3rd Espada Tia Hallibel]]]] from ''{{Bleach}}''. [[spoiler:The only female member of the villain's QuirkyMinibossSquad... and also the only one to be pointlessly [[YouHaveFailedMe murdered by her own boss]] instead of at least getting an honorable death in combat.]]
** Considering how many ComicBookTropes are subverted in ''{{Invincible}}'', [[spoiler:Atom Eve's]] death is played surprisingly straight - she rushes to her boyfriend's defense against a one-off villain and is promptly killed so that we can get an ItsPersonal moment from him.
***[[spoiler: She survives and saves his ass in the latest issue. Consider this subverted.]]
** ''Runaways'', [[spoiler:Gert is murdered by Geoffrey Wilder when she goes to save her boyfriend, whom she was just fighting with and pretty much dumped in a fit of anger.]]
* Elizabeth, the LoveInterest in MaryShelley's ''{{Frankenstein}}'', making this trope OlderThanRadio.
** The monster only kills Elizabeth because [[RevengeByProxy Frankenstein destroys his mate]]. At this point he had already murdered Frankenstein's friend Henry and his 5 year old brother William.
* Happens literally, yet subverts the trope, in ''{{Dollhouse}}''. A kidnapped girl is stored in a refrigerator, but she's still alive, and gets rescued.
** Later on [[spoiler:[=DeWitt=] sends Hearn to kill Mellie. Then she remotely activates Mellie's active programming, whereupon she gets up, fights Hearn off, and ''breaks his neck'' on a coffee table.]]
* ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' gives us Eden, Simone, Elle, and most egregiously, Maya. Maya suffered the particular indignity of being duped by Sylar, shot by Sylar, resurrected, and then kidnapped and nearly killed by power-crazed Mohinder. Early in S1, Claire was sexually assaulted and killed by a classmate, which served primarily to illustrate her father's ruthless protectiveness afterwards.
**However, it was Claire herself who found out he'd made a habit of this and had raped another classmate, and so got him into a car and then crashed it at full speed. She healed, of course. [[FridgeLogic Lucky, very lucky, that she wasn't trapped inside]] for paramedics to discover her HealingFactor...

''(the heroes one in particular pisses me off - the writer apparently thinks pretty much ANYTHING bad happening to a female character counts as this trope)''

* ''SluggyFreelance:'' [[spoiler:Zoe (Torg's love interest)]] got burnt to death while stuck in a malfunctioning robot by [[spoiler: Oasis (Crazy stalker who kills with her mind and WaifFu)]].
** [[spoiler: [[OrIsIt Or did she?]] Time will tell.]]
** Even if [[spoiler: she didn't die, horrific burns and dissapearance]] still qualifies as a Refrigerator moment.
* [[OrderOfTheStick Miko Miyazaki.]] Depowered AND KilledOffForReal with no possible way to come back, plus she wasn't allowed to [[CharacterDevelopment "learn her lesson"]] so that even the gods wouldn't take mercy on her. Granted, she was a [[KnightTemplar bit]] [[JerkAss overzealous]], but it seemed like a bit much. On the flip side, [[TheHero Roy]] also died, but came back with full power.
** This probably doesn't count as Miko's death is not used as a cheap plot point in order to motivate some other character.

I'd also like to remind everyone that putting "averted/subverted in ...." and listing your favorite show and a time where a female character came close to death is just fucking absurd. Why not just list every fictional female character ever if you're going to do that?