->''"Why does he have to kill them to prove his point? Can't he just show them a pie chart or something?"''
-->-- '''Tom Servo''', ''MysteryScienceTheater3000''

->"Why didn't you just say that in the '''first''' place?! We could have skipped all the melodrama and sharp things!
--> -- '''Sonic the Hedgehog''', ''Ghosts of the Future''.

An antagonist appears with a problem. However, instead of asking for help from the Hero and other reasonable things, they engage in a disruptive and destructive behavior that forces the heroes to do some derring-do to stop him.

Once the situation is resolved, the heroes admonish the antagonist that they could have helped with the problem in the beginning and all the rough stuff could have been avoided if the antagonist was civilized and [[PoorCommunicationKills savvy enough]] to [[PolitenessJudo ask politely.]]

A good WarriorTherapist sometimes foresees this coming and tells this to the villains at their first engagement. Obviously, that doesn't help.

A common symptom of ChronicBackstabbingDisorder.
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!!Examples:

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[[folder:Anime and Manga]]
*In ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh The Abridged Series}}'', Yami rants to Pegasus about all the unnecessary death, expense and pointless angst he's caused by setting up the Duelist Kingdom tournament to try and cheat Yugi out of the Millennium Puzzle. "Did you ever consider just ''asking'' me for it? I mean, do you have ''any idea'' how much time and money you’ve wasted with this whole façade? People have ''died'' because ''you'' wanted a ''necklace!'' I killed a gay clown for Ra’s sake!"
**It's true, too. "Hi, I'm a filthy rich business mogul with an interest in Egyptian artifacts. How would you like living like a king and never having to work again in your entire life?" "But... Grandpa..." "You can share. Disgustingly large sums of money are nice like that."
**It helps that, in the original Japanese version, it had nothing to do with the puzzle--he just had to beat Yugi to get some executives on his side (don't ask). Of course, there was still no need for the soul stealing and the giant tournament.
*** Wait, didn't he ''already'' beat Yugi quite easily in the second episode? I guess magical duels over video tapes don't count.
*** It needed to be high profile so that everyone would see Yugi beaten, in order to restore Kaiba Corp's reputation, which had taken a blow from Yugi beating Kaiba. This meant that Pegasus had to build up the hype for his tournament, then make sure that Yugi would definitely attend and be motivated enough to reach the finals. Pegasus' interest in Kaiba Corp was in having enough access to its holographic technology to develop it to the point where it could be combined with the Millenium Eye to create a means of seeing his dead wife for extended periods.
*** One has to wonder how exactly it took a blow, not like they'd *broadcast* that Kaiba'd lost a duel, even over a security camera. And really, nobody'd really believe a punk kid over an entire corporation. And even then. ITS A CARD GAME. Why do companies reputations rely solely upon their owner beating someone in a card game? Makes no sense. Next you'll say that there are no more wars. Its all just decided over a very tense game of cards.
*** [[YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries Card games are serious business!]]
*** In the manga, Kaiba ''did'' broadcast his duel with Yugi; there was even a stadium full of spectators. Kaiba had been hoping to humiliate Yugi to satisfy his own ego after Yugi had beat him in a previous duel. That goal [[MindRape didn't quite work out]].
** It's also revealed that the Big Five wanted to take over Kaiba Corp and merge with Industrial Illusions.
* In ''UchuuSenkanYamato/Star Blazers'', after the crew of the Yamato is forced to [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt destroy the Gamilas (Gamilon) homeworld]], Kodai (Derek) is depressed about it, particularly because he and the crew had learned that the invasion of Earth was just to help save Gamilas, and the entire war could have been avoided if the Gamilas had just ''asked'' for help...
* In the second season of ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'', the Wolkenritter assume that stealing others' magical powers is the only way to save their master. That's obviously wrong (and ItGotWorse) but they don't realize that until the late episodes, [[spoiler:joining forces with the heroes]]. Generally, Nanoha herself believes that everything can be avoided and always [[WarriorTherapist inquires about the baddies' motivation]] (usually, to no avail) before [[DefeatMeansFriendship befriending them into submission]].
** Unlike many examples of this trope, Nanoha and the other heroes didn't have any alternate ideas for saving Hayate, although it took them a while to find out about the Wolkenritter's goal. [[spoiler:The incident is resolved when the Book of Darkness is completed, Hayate manages to reach out to the book itself, and the heroes, the Wolkenritter and Hayate team up to defeat the defense program]].
** The source material being what it is, ''[[FanFic/DevaSeries Academy Blues]]'' has Hayate offer this fillip to the villains. ''Endless Waltz'' shows that the other side did not really bite.
** In the first season, Fate Testarossa refuses to ask for Nanoha's help in recovering the Lost Logia, even though Nanoha's only objective was that they were safely sealed. [[spoiler: Although this probably wouldn't have worked in the long run anyway, considering the Fate's Mom was going to use them to break reality.]]
* Had Mello sucked up his pride and deigned to work with Near after [[spoiler: L's death]] in ''DeathNote'', the whole "5 years later" debacle probably wouldn't have happened.
* ''GiantRobo'' has one of the largest [[KilledOffForReal named character death count]] in non-Tomino work, and it all happened, because someone misunderstood von Fogler.
** To be fair to the antagonist, von Fogler [[spoiler: the antagonist's dad]] ''really'' should've left a note or something for [[spoiler: his son]] to read instead of making a video message that plays ''only'' when [[MacGuffin all three anti-shizuma drives]] are united. Said antagonist does call von Fogler out on this.
* In JunjouRomantica, Nowaki disappears from Hiroki's life for a year without so much as leaving a note. Hiroki is understandably pissed off, and when Nowaki comes back they have a fight that lasts for weeks before finally being resolved. It's not until after they've made up and decided to move in together that Hiroki remembers that, um, actually Nowaki ''did'' tell him he was going to leave... and, in fact, Hiroki encouraged him to do so... it's just that Hiroki wasn't paying enough attention to the conversation to remember it afterwards. Ooops. Like Hiroki says, "Wow... that sure makes me look like the bad guy here."
* Sadly, the entire plot of the second Tenchi Muyo movie. If only Yuzuha [[Yandere could take unintentional rejection well.]] If only someone had thought to [[ThePowerOfFriendship lunge and give her a hug when she revealed herself.]] (Its pretty obvious how much she's hurting... :\) If only... And yet the [[KidsAreCruel complete psycho-due-to-inexperience-at-life]] Yuugi in ''Tenchi In Tokyo'' is [[KarmaHoudini spared]] despite doing hundreds upon hundreds of more terrible acts, including the stereotypical villainous [[WeHaveReserves dispensing of her sidekick henchwoman on a whim and disregard for those falling in combat.]] (She wigs out about Juraians killing them in the flashback, but in the modern day flippantly ignores their demise save to complain about Tenchi 'breaking them.') In this troper's opinion, [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman only because she was one of the near-human aliens, a Juraian,]] was she spared. It's all just one big cluster of WallBanger for anyone who thinks about the events transpiring.
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[[folder:Comic Books]]
* In a 1970s {{Archie}} story, a young man kidnaps Betty, under the assumption that she's Mr. Lodge's daughter, in retaliation for Lodge not promoting his father to a middle-management position. When the crook is caught, Lodge tells him that he had in fact made him a vice president.
* Marvel and DC comics constantly have the old 'Newly Introduced Heroes Have A Misunderstanding Then Fight' plot, which would usually be averted if they had been more level-headed or listened to their comrades telling them they're all on the same side. This happens especially in crossovers.
** This even has its own [[LetsYouAndHimFight trope]].
** This is referenced in Watchmen, when Ozymandias says that it was common for superheroes to fight each other when they first meet. The Comedian doesn't seem to care if he knows they're a hero or not.
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[[folder:Film]]
* This troper had a reaction like this to the plot of ''NationalTreasure: Book Of Secrets''. [[spoiler:The antagonist, played by Ed Harris, explains at the end that he accused protagonist Ben Gates's ancestor of being a conspirator in Lincoln's death in order to get him to help unravel a mystery involving the City of Gold. Apparently, the idea of just asking for help from someone who clearly enjoys solving puzzles never occurred to him.]]
**Ultimately though, [[spoiler:Ed Harris wanted sole *credit* for finding the city, not just the reward.]]
*''TheWizardOfOz'' subverts this. While Dorothy ''could'' have gone home the second she got the magic slippers, she never would have learned anything about herself if she had, and none of her new friends would have been met - not to mention all of her friends would still be in the messes ''they'' were stuck in. In other words, the journey was far more important than the destination.
** And in the book the first good witch didn't know how the slippers worked anyway...
*** The text adventure based on the books (90% of TheWonderfulWizardOfOz, about 2/3 of ''Land of Oz,'' and Tiktok imported from ''Ozma of Oz'') {{lampshades}} it. If you type "click heels" as a command, it prematurely ends the game, saying Dorothy goes through her entire life wondering what other wonders she could have seen if she stayed in Oz.
* This troper thinks all of the conflict in ''{{Pixars Up}}'' could have been avoided if [[spoiler:Carl and Muntz had just taken five minutes to talk their situation out.]] However, this may have been [[JustifiedTrope justified]], since it's strongly inferred that [[spoiler:Muntz is psychopatic, irrational and stir-crazy.]]
** Or if Carl [[spoiler:looked at Ellie's adventure book and read her last message earlier, he might not have felt so attached to the house in the first place.]]
* In ''[[TheDarkKnightSaga Batman Begins]]'', R'as al'Gul plans to destroy Gotham City with a deadly gas attack. He is able to pull this off by exploiting the corruption of the system in order to infiltrate "every level" of Gotham's infrastructure. However, his KnightTemplar attitude prevents him from considering the possibility of exploiting The League of Shadows' ill-gotten positions to help Batman fight crime instead of dismissing Gotham as "beyond redemption" and [[KillEmAll getting the entire city's population to murder each other]].
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[[folder:Literature]]
* In the novel ''Red Storm Rising'', the Soviet Union's oil pipelines are cut off by terrorist attacks, and the USSR launches an invasion of West Germany (wait... what oil? front pressure?) and the Middle East in order to get the oil it needs. By the end of the novel, the Russians are repelled, and in the final pages a NATO commander quips that if only the Soviets had asked for help, the West would have been happy to sell it to them.
** This type of situation was handled far better in the novel ''The Devil's Alternative'', where the Soviet Union is permitted to purchase desperately needed wheat by agreeing to arms reductions, thus averting a similar invasion of West Germany.
** To be more clear, in ''Red Storm Rising'', the Soviet Union's ability to refine oil is crippled, but they still have substantial reserves-which they decide to use fueling the military invasions. This becomes a plot point later in the book when NATO learns why the war began, and that the Soviets are indeed running out of fuel. The redirection of NATO's air campaign to prioritize Soviet fuel supplies is crucial in bringing the Soviet advance to a halt.
* Author Matthew Stover presents an interesting twist on this one in ''{{Blade of Tyshalle}}''. In the book’s prologue, protagonists Kris Hansen and Hari Michaelson plot to get Hari out of Magic School and into Battle School. Their plan hinges on getting Hari to demonstrate his fighting prowess by "saving" Kris from a rival, crippling him in the process. Afterward, the head teacher tells them their plan has succeeded, but laments that another person’s dream was crushed so that they could have theirs, adding plaintively "Couldn’t you have asked?"
* In BenCounter's {{Warhammer 40000}} SoulDrinkers novel ''Chapter War'', the Howling Griffons sacrificed much of a penal legion and left behind a planet being invaded by orks in order to bring down the SoulDrinkers. After they fought, with considerable death on both sides, the SoulDrinkers manage to convince them that they are not, in fact, the Black Chalice they had sworn to get {{Revenge}} on, and they were, in fact, breaking their oath to defend the planet.
* In ''Queen Zixi of Ix'' (by the author of the Oz series), the title character is a VainSorceress who attempts to steal a magical cloak that will grant one wish to each person who wears it. In the end, when her schemes are discovered, the cloak's owners tell her that they would have been willing to let her borrow the cloak and make her one wish, so she had no need to resort to theft. However, this incident convinces the fairies who made the cloak that humanity is no longer worthy of such a gift, and they take it back--so Zixi still never gets to have her wish granted.
* Although the events of ''{{Dune}}'' are interesting, it includes a not easily identifiable but particularly {{Wallbanger}} version of this trope. [[TheEmperor Emperor Shaddam Corrino IV]] hatches a plot to kill a popular, charismatic noble Leto Atreides whose army is beginning to rival his. However, in one of the brief chapter introductions, its revealed that the Emperor would have preferred to marry Leto to his eldest daughter, except that he was too old for her. Which makes one wonder why didn't he marry her to ''Leto's son Paul who was the same age as her?''
** He knew that Leto would never take the offer, because of his love for Jessica. Paul was also outside the question, because that would have ensured the loss of House Corrino on the Imperial court. He was desperately holding off for a male heir, and the only way he could continue to do so would be to remove the Atreides whom would sure be forced to take the throne for themselves due to the urging of the Landsraad.
** Leto couldn't marry Irulan because he was too old for her, not because of Jessica. He also probably knew that his Bene Gesserit wife was ordered not to provide him a male heir; House Corrino had already lost the Imperial throne. Even so, wanting a male heir had nothing to do with finding a good husband for his eldest daughter. If Paul was out of the question for that reason, why would he have expressed the sentiment about Leto in the first place?
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[[folder:Live Action TV]]
* [[DoctorWho The Doctor]] has started doing this a lot in the new series. Often times, he'll offer the MonsterOfTheWeek a chance to go somewhere else where humanity won't be bothered. When they refuse, [[BewareTheNiceOnes he brings the pain]].
** The MonsterOfTheWeek finally agreed to this in "Forest of the Dead." Just as the Vashta Nerada's about to make mincemeat of The Doctor, he says, "[[BadAssBoast You're in the biggest library in the universe. Look me up]]." The Vashta Nerada pause, then ''withdraw'', telling The Doctor he has one day to solve everything.
***[[spoiler:he does.]]
* In ''BabylonFive'', the Earth-Minbari War, which almost wiped out the human race, was started by the captain of an Earth starship panicking when the Minbari sensors disabled their Faster than Light engine. Also, since the Minbari were approaching with their weapons bared (a Minbari display of respect) and stealth technology active (therefore preventing the humans from determining whether or not the weapons were charged), the Captain thought that it was the prelude to an attack, opened fire and not only eliminated the interference to their FTL, but also killed the Minbari leader, which prompted the Minbari to begin a [[KillAllHumans massive war against the human race]].
** One wonders if Humanity is the only race to misinterpret the Minbari custom of baring weapons 'in respect', or just the only one to survive the misunderstanding.
** In fairness, the Minbari leader quickly figured out that they were faced with a ship that had no idea that opening their weapons ports was a sign of respect, and immediately ordered them closed. If the Earth captain had held his composure for only a few minutes longer, the whole thing could have been avoided. The fact that the killed leader was a high-ranking and beloved holy man did not help matters.
** Also, the Minbari Gray Council voted by a slim majority to go on a genocidal rampage instead of trying to figure out what happened.
* ''{{Lost}}'': Why on earth couldn't Ben have just ASKED Jack to do his surgery, rather than kidnapping Jack and his friends, shoving them in cages, et al?
** While it may be impossible to tell why a MagnificentBastard does anything, after what happened to Ethan, it would likely involve either confessing that he is an Other first (bad idea), or at least just kidnapping Jack...which actually would have avoided a whole lot of being held hostage, after all.
** And Jack would have demanded that everyone gets off the island first. Jack may be a doctor, but he's not going to doctor people who could trivially save everyone and aren't. Also, the Others had already started harassing the Losties before Ben found out he was sick. The real question is why didn't he simply go back to the mainland and get help.
* Season three premiere of ''Series/{{Heroes}}''. Instead of Peter [[spoiler:travelling back in time and trying to shoot his brother dead]] to prevent him from telling everyone about the people with powers, why not use his telekinesis to unplug the mike? Or, you know, going back ten minutes earlier and sit down for a chat?
** Not too mention that during season two he had mind reading all along, but never stopped for a second to see if [[spoiler:Adam Monroe]] was telling the truth, even after all of his friends were suddenly trying to stop him from supposedly saving the world. You'd think his friends would at least get a minute to explain themselves.
*In the ''StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "11001001", the Bynars, a Federation species whose "[[PlanetOfHats hat]]" is binary logic and computers, seize control of the ''Enterprise'' in order to save their planetary database, tricking most of the crew into evacuating the ship and then trapping Picard and Riker in the holodeck. When Picard learns about their predicament and asks why they didn't just ask for help, they explain "you might have said no". Riker goes on to observe that, as the Bynars only think in [[YouFailLogicForever binary]] [[StrawVulcan absolutes]], even the mere possibility of being turned down seemed like a certainty to them.
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[[folder:Real Life]]
*Orly Taitz filed suit July 8, 2009 with the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia seeking a temporary restraining order on his upcoming deployment and status as a conscientious objector for her client, Major Stefan Cook, on the grounds that President Barack Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States. The military revoked Major Cook's orders, not because of his case, but because he'd volunteered for that deployment and was allowed to change his mind any time before he was scheduled to report
** Justified, Cook signed up well after Barack Obama was president, and wanted to spotlight the Birther conspiracy theory. It worked. Orly Taitz who has no actual competency (she claims to be an expert but she gets even the simplest laws wrong) has become the face of the Birther conspiracy.
** Well, it worked as far as getting a bunch of nuts to admire you. But they can forget about any military career.
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[[folder:Video Games]]
* ''NeverwinterNights2'', wherein a lot of time (and pain) could have been avoided if [[spoiler:Ammon Jerro]] hadn't decided that only he could find the means to kill [[spoiler:the King of Shadows]]. The result: there is a lot of pointless bloodshed, and in the end [[spoiler:his granddaughter Shandra Jerro - last of the Jerro line - is forced/tricked into releasing the devils and demons that gave Jerro his power]]. [[spoiler:Ammon]] then kills her personally before realizing who she was. And only after that does he join the PC.
** It fits his nature however, as his D&D alignment is Neutral Evil, and that his prior experiences had let him to believe that only he saw the dangers of [[spoiler:the King of Shadows]]. He was even willing to sell his soul to the lowest planes - and states that he would make the same choice again to save the people of Faurûn from [[spoiler:the King of Shadows]].
* In ''KingdomHearts 2'', the villains carry out their plans by having Sora kill TheHeartless. Since Sora wants to do this anyway, there seems to be no reason why they couldn't have just left him to himself so he could do this, rather than kidnapping his girlfriend in an attempt to blackmail him into doing something ''he already wanted to do''.
** The girlfriend-kidnapping was originally Axel's idea, and [[LovableTraitor his goals weren't exactly coincidental with the Organization]] by the time he pulled that one. Of course, it doesn't explain why the Organization decided to go with it. Possibly they lost their last brainy type when Axel defected.
** [[spoiler:It's probably because Sora was coming up against the (rather mindless) normal Nobodies, and given the amount of resources available to him, it's almost certain he'd find out the (very bad) reason the Nobodies want the Heartless to be destroyed and stop doing it.]]
* In the ''{{Freespace}}'' video game 'verse, Human-Vasudan conflict was started by a misunderstanding. With extremely complex language of the Vasudans, it's only so easy for Humans to do major diplomatic insults.
* In ''MetalGearSolid 4'', the main antagonists pretend they want to TakeOverTheWorld, but it's ultimately revealed that it was all part of a convoluted XanatosRoulette to [[spoiler: destroy the ''real'' BigBad, the Patriots, a network of AIs controlling the United States and by extension the human race.]] Their master plan to accomplish this? [[spoiler: Give the hero the components to an AI destroying virus, then goad him into fighting his way through their army of mooks, while the main antagonists themselves even pretend to betray each other and end up either dying fighting the hero or committing suicide in front of him to apologize for all the crap they've put him through, ALL so the hero can (with great effort) make it to their internet connection at the heart of their Doom Fortress and upload the computer virus to melt the brains of the world-controlling AIs.]] Why they couldn't just ask nicely is anyone's guess.
** Or, y'know, upload the virus themselves, seeing as how they were in possession of both the virus components and the network uplink to the [[spoiler: Patriot]] System.
** [[JustifiedTrope Apparently]], [[spoiler:Naomi]] had hit a dead end with finishing the virus and decided to give it to the heroes, who had a Otacon and a kid genius in their ranks who ''could'' finish it and execute the plan as demonstrated above.
** And asking the heroes directly would have sent up a red flag for [[spoiler:the Patriots]], to say the least.
* In ''FireEmblem: Radiant Dawn'', Ike and allies think they're playing out this trope. As it turns out, [[WrongGenreSavvy they're wrong]], and [[TheChainsOfCommanding Micaiah]] has [[DealWithTheDevil a very good reason]] for not accepting their offer to help. When they do learn the reason, blame is the further thing on anyone's mind.
** Played absurdly straight (regarding the same situation, no less) with Almedha, who knows exactly how the entire thing works and simply chooses not to tell anyone until an ostensible tragedy occurs.
* In ''GoldenSun: The Lost Age'', the bad guys try to justify their actions--if the elemental lighthouses aren't lit, their village will freeze over and/or be swallowed into the abyss--and indeed, eventually the whole world will follow them. The fact that they decided the only way to solve this problem was through theft, kidnapping, blackmail, threats, and generally acting like {{Jerkass}}, VillainBall holders rather undercuts any sympathy they might have hoped to engender.
** The above troper forgets that they spoke with the elders of [[DoomedHometown Vale]] beforehand and were disbelieved. It is rather difficult to say that WeCouldHaveAvoidedAllThis when they ''already tried that and it didn't work.'' Admittedly, they could have bothered to explain to the heroes on one of their several subsequent encounters, but then we wouldn't have a plot.
** Plus, the antagonists are stated to have been a bit...fanatical, and would probably have been averse to the idea of compromise.
**This troper points out that this trope applies far more to the first game, in which rather than explain what was going on to Isaac and his friends and possibly gain their help, Saturos and Menardi decided it was a good idea to let 4 super-powered children run around trying to kill them. In the second game, Felix decides it was a better idea to just tell them what was going on and see if they would join him. They did.

* ''TalesOfPhantasia'' plays this trope straight with Dhaos. Dhaos wants to save his homeworld and to do that he needs the mana seed from the mana tree in the heroes' world, but people in the heroes' world are building weapons of mass destruction that would kill the mana tree. So what does he do? He starts causing massive destruction around the world, causing people to fight against him. When the heroes in the game realize his real motivation after killing him, they immediately put up the barrier around the tree so mana cannot be drained from it. Seriously, why he couldn't explain his situation every time heroes come to stop him and persuade them into joining his cause (or at least let people around the world know his true motive so he doesn't get pegged as "evil") is anyone's guess.
* ''Super PaperMario'': Seeing how one of the many fortune tellers in the game can figure out the solution to almost any issue, one has to wonder why the heck [[spoiler: Count Bleck didn't just ask somebody or another for help searching for Timpani before turning WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds on us.]]
** One would assume he doesn't believe in fortune tellers, then.
*** Or that they only work for the players.
* In most of the ''{{Kirby}}'' games, Kirby spends most of the game trying to get to and defeat King Dedede, only to have it turn out that whatever Dedede was up to was part of a plan to defeat the REAL bad guy.
* Case 3-5 of ''Phoenix Wright''. [[spoiler:Misty Fey's death could have been prevented if Godot would just have told Phoenix about the plot to kill Maya. You know, the guy who tries to cross a burning bridge in a snowstorm to check on her, without even knowing if she's in danger?]]
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[[folder:Web Original]]
* In ''SurvivalOfTheFittest'' there are the deaths of [[spoiler:Arthur Williams]] and [[spoiler:Simon Wood]]. In [[spoiler:Arthur's]] case, all his killer (Bobby Jacks) wanted to do was leave, but he rushed him while trying to play hero and was shot in the head. This after Bobby was convinced Neil Sinclair had sent someone to kill him after supposedly letting him leave. [[spoiler:Simon]], on the other hand, assumed Darnell Butler was playing the game and attacked him before he could explain himself, causing Darnell to accidentally kill him. If he had let Darnell talk, the whole fight wouldn't have happened.
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[[folder: Western Animation]]
* SamuraiJack: The princess who gathers together a bunch of bounty hunters to kill Jack in the hopes of using this as leverage to free her country from Aku (It wouldn't work, Aku's too much of a JerkAss), even though Jack himself would probably be glad to help her (freeing people from Aku's tyranny is ''what he does'', after all).
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