{{alliterator}}: Okay, why was this renamed? I didn't see it on the rename forum and it certainly didn't need to ''be'' renamed at all. TropesAreNotBad was perfectly understandable -- TropesAreTools could be used as a redirect, but don't rename the entire freakin' thing. EDIT: Well, apparently TropesAreNotGood and TropesAreNotBad were merged. Why? I think shorter pages are easier to read and they didn't really need to be merged.

SomeSortOfTroper: Fast Eddie asked for it. It came from the trope talk forum. He wanted bad and good taken into one page about what trope actually are and then just cut the others. I suggested we actually keep the parts relating to common troper mistakes and put in the redirects so people could still use them in arguments.

I purposefully did a crude job on it so that we could look at what it might be as one page and see how we might go from there. I still think the other pages would be useful but some parts would be moved over to here. I think "fiction is not realistic", "there is nothing new under the sun" and " tropes may be badly written" are better off here.

{{Sylocat}}: Well, I brought back my favorite quote...

JosephLeito: Frankly, I think we should just port the entire TaNG and TaNB pages here, more-or-less. I moved what, in my opinion, is an incredibly important section.

BigT: Shouldn't this be TropesAreJustTools? Without the word "Just", you are merely defining {{Trope}}, which has already been done.

SomeSortOfTroper: That doesn't make it a definition, it makes it a description of its nature. I know a guy called Jeff. JeffIsBlack, I haven't defined Jeff. Jeff rides a bicycle, the BikeIsBlue, I haven't defined what a bicycle is. Our purpose here is to make a statement about the nature of tropes.

AvatarZero: Where's that quote from? "Action" isn't much of a clue.

* It looks like [[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0505112/quotes "Action" Mr. Dragon Goes to Washington (1999)]]. And [[http://www.hulu.com/watch/37462/action-mr-dragon-goes-to-washington#s-p2-so-i0 here]] is the episode in question on Hulu.

{{Ronnie}}: ...excuse me, but since when is MontyPython ''dark'' and edgy?