{{Aiguille}}: mirroring some tropes that appear on the character page. (We have one? We aren't even close to the number of wicks we'd need to qualify for TropeOverdosed, but c'est la guerre) At the very least, its "here thar be spoilers" caveat demands it. Also, the deletions seem odd. Series pages are basically trope clearinghouses. Also, if someone removed them in an effort at cleanup, remember the [[ThereIsNoSuchThingAsNotability credo]].

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{{Aiguille}}: Deleted WallBanger entry for TheSpectacularSpiderMan because it arises from a fundamental misunderstanding of the episode's plot. The internship was not based on Connor's secret formula development, which he hid from his labmates and developed in secret. And the internship is not dissolved, as characters Gwen and Eddie are shown working in Connor's University lab three episodes later. If this was out of line, please say so.

{{Cassius335}}: You misunderstand me. The details of the internship don't matter. Gwen and Eddie don't matter. My point is that the writers clearly only gave Peter the internship so he'd be around for Conner becoming The Lizard. Once the Lizard showed up, no more need for Peter to have the internship, so they got him fired.

And you know... two episodes. ''Two''.

EDIT: I wish I'd seen this sooner, because now I can't find my original text.

{{Aiguille}}: From what I can remember of the diction, I'd (mistakenly) thought that the bulk of wallbangy frustration arose from the idea that Connors was exploiting the internship members to develop the formula, because of the usage of a link to YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness. It was rude and presumptive of me. My apologies.

{{Cassius335}}: Apology accepted. The YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness link was in reference to Peter's internship, not the whole program. Bad choice of link, maybe.

Greenygal: To be honest, I still don't see the WallBanger. So they only gave Peter the internship so he'd be around the Lizard...and? Maybe if we'd never heard about it again, but instead we got a logical, in-character reason why he was promptly fired. Shouldn't there be something about a Wall Banger that just doesn't make sense?

RTaco: Me either. A complaint, maybe, but hardly worth banging any walls over.

{{Aiguille}}: perhaps it's an issue of [[WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief belief]]? Or maybe [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife meta]]-awareness.

{{Haven}}: For me this isn't a WallBanger as much as one of the most interesting plot points in the series. It's always a little weird to me that no one ever makes note of Peter taking pictures of Spider-Man all the time, and this was a really DramaticIrony-licious way to take it. I think it would have been pretty unnatural if he ''hadn't'' been fired after running off to take pictures of the Lizard instead of sticking around to help.
The direction this subplot takes in "Group Therapy", on the other hand, ''is'' a bit of a WallBanger IMO. It's natural that Eddie's pissed, because he thinks Pete's betrayed him, but his dialogue is absurdly {{Anvilicious}}. However, if Eddie somehow''doesn't'' become Venom, then these scenes will become [[ReverseFunnyAneurysm retroactively hilarious]]. That is my analysis.

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EponymousKid: Deleted GRatedDrug. Because Globulin Green isn't a DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything version of drugs, it ''is'' a drug, and Harry's addiction is handled pretty realistically.
* {{Aiguille}}: Gotcha. PsychoSerum is more fitting, no?
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RTaco: Hey guys, perhaps we ought to concentrate more on putting examples of this show on the other pages. This one's getting really long.
* {{Aiguille}}: In the same vein, though I'm guilty of composing some myself, I was thinking of shunting long examples to their trope pages as they occur, and trying to keep the ones here condensed to three lines or under. Since this is an {{Superhero}}ic ActionSeries based on an existing franchise, we'll be seeing ''many'' tropes crop up.
RTaco: Okay, this is getting ridiculous. Some stuff needs to be cut.
* {{Aiguille}}: Really? But doesn't that go [[ThereIsNoSuchThingAsNotability against credo]]? Everything's notable, and this page is meant to serve an aggregative purpose by nature. I do wanna trim descriptions though.
* RTaco: I did some LampshadeHanging on the subject within the article, so I guess it can stick around. We ought to try and have more examples on ''other'' pages than on this one, though.
* {{Aiguille}}: Working on it. But remember, some are generally applicable to the Spider-Man franchise as a whole, so there won't be a one-to-one entry-to-wick ratio. BuildingSwing, for example, doesn't need a link back to the cartoon when it's got {{Spider-Man}} linked already. It's redundant there, but worth mention here. Incidentally, we're nowhere near overdosed, yet. We'd need some two hundred more wicks to qualify.

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{{Aiguille}}: Okay, not really seeing DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything, since it's not an innocent item given salacious drug-related subtext. Globulin Green ''is'' a drug. Polling here because I jumped the gun on the Wallbanger deletion. Thoughts?

{{Haven}}: I'm the one who added "DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything". It's not an innocent item, but it's a fictional substance which is used in a way reminiscent of other drug uses - ie, even though it's a PsychoSerum, it's frequently used in a way that reminds you of ritalin (he can't get good grades without taking it), steroids (he uses it to enhance his football playing prowess) and heroin (his little sighs of relief). It's like the X-Men examples on that page: there's ''actual prejudice'' occurring towards mutants, but mutants are a fictional group, and the prejudice is used to discuss real-life prejudice. Even though the PsychoSerum is actually a drug within the context of the series, it's used to evoke real-world drugs and their effects.
* {{Aiguille}}: Fair points, I concede.

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{{Haven}}: I'm not sure I did the DramaticIrony example very well, as it's really obvious the way it's played in the episode - the irony comes from the fact that Jameson, in insisting on calling Peter personally, being really nice, but Peter won't take the call because Jameson's usually such a jerk.
Also, Eddie's anger at Peter is probably an example too, but the way it's used in "Group Therapy" is such a WallBanger that I can't really call it that right now =/
(also, apparently WittyBanter does not mean what I thought it meant.)

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RTaco: Should NeverSayDie still be on here? Venom used the word in the first season finale.

[=DoKnowButchie=]: I think it should, maybe with the modifier "occasionally averted", or, given more examples, "inconsistently applied". Given how many times the word "destroyed" is used and how we never hear the word "kill", it seems clear to me that use of the word is restricted, if not quite prohibited.
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{{Bob}}: Question. If the name of the show has a hyphen in it, why not move it to {{The Spectacular Spider-Man}} and make this page a redirect? You can include hyphens in article names, it just means that you have to link it with brackets instead of a WikiWord.
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{{Joysweeper}}: Just wanted to say that this article was what finally pushed me over into watching this. I like this show! Caveats attached, naturally, but it's still cool.
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GwenStacyWannabe: Can we put something on here that concerns the fandom if it's pretty much guaranteed to happen, but hasn't actually happened yet? I can smell DieForOurShip directed at Liz Allen coming any minute now...

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[=DoKnowButchie=]: Spoilers, people, spoilers! Just because we may have watched the series via less-than-legal means (or alternatively, all editors are Canucks or British) doesn't mean that we can expect visitors to have done the same. Can we please properly label season 2 tropes as spoilers until the appropriate episode airs here? Thank you.

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{{Haven}}: TREACHERRRRRYYYYYYYYY

DeadpoolFan: Anyone want to put that in Large Ham catergory?

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DeadpoolFan: A note to all, the entry that mentions Candle you-know-who, is to have its sentence remain incomplete as to do so is to ruin the joke. Please remember that.

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DeadpoolFan: WHOA! I just noticed a LOT of examples in the article have been deleted. I think its part of the fact theres only one line of them. Well most of them. But quite a few of them ARE relevant. There is no reason given for the deletions. Can someone explain if this is another clean up job?

GwenStacyWannabe: Most of them were just moved over to the Characters page. I tried not to delete the ones on the main page that had a description more than one line long, though.

{{Aiguille}}: Gwen, you kinda did the ''opposite'' of what's stylistically preferred ExampleExplanationDensity for series pages. Short=Good Long=Bad. Trim long ones to "Short explanation of how each trope is used or just the name of the character the trope applies to, unless for whatever reason the explanation is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin" which should be "enough to jog the memory of someone who is familiar with the show" Move mutant examples to their respective trope pages.
Also, I don't think the character sheet was meant to ''exclude'' character-related tropes from series pages, merely highlight them for easy perusal. So, no malice meant, but I favor restoring them. Not that the overlong examples shouldn't be pared to three lines max.

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Storm: Okay, this is really bugging me because I see it pop up throughout the wiki. Is Tombstone really a BadassNormal here? In the comics he was a human with gained superstrength, and considering his level of strength and ability here, I would assume the same is true here, although possibly through different means. He's able to go toe to toe with Spider-Man, even if the first time he caught him by surprise, and can hold his own against Doc Ock and an armored Silvermane. He even gets Goblin boomerangs in his back and shrugs them off. Sure, he could be MadeOfIron, but he seems to be around Spider-Man's level of strength, if not stronger.

{{Haven}}: Yeah, there's no way he's a BadassNormal--it would be quite a WallBanger if he was, since it'd mean that Spider-Man's super-powers really ''aren't''. He's definitely a {{Badass}} though.

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{{Haven}}: It looks like there might not be a third season, and that is incredibly sad because this is a really, really strong series and it'll probably only get better.

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[[TheLaughingFan Fan]] - The article couldn't decide if the Trope Example Breakers would be a ":", "()" or a " ", so I made all of them into a " - " (because it was a freakin' mess). However, due to the sheer mass I purged all the parentheses, so there will most likely be an example that needs these '''('''nice things''')''' back.

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{{OgreProdigy}}: I disagree with the description of Norman Osborn as a CompleteMonster. In order to qualify for that trope, someone has to be not just unsympathetic, but the sort of person that you want killed off. 'A complete monster is created to be despised'. 'If you don't find yourself filled with a combination of joy and relief when the villain finally gets what's coming to him, he's not a Complete Monster. If the villain gets away with it and you don't find yourself angry at the horrible injustice of it all, he's not a Complete Monster. A Complete Monster is not a villain you love to hate; a Complete Monster is a villain you hate to even think about.' All quotes from the page. Thing is - At least for this Troper - Osborn isn't someone I hate to even think about. I think he's a great villain and I want to see a lot more of him. I'd definitely argue that he's a very bad man, but he hasn't quite crossed the Moral Event Horison for me, though toeing it he may be.

I'll admit that what he's done to his son is nasty, but he's someone for whom redemption, if truly earned, wouldn't feel like an absurd cop-out - Which is the point of a Complete Monster.

Thoughts? Opinions? Am I just insensivitized to monsterhood?

{{Storm}}: I can't take the idea of Norman pulling a HeelFaceTurn very seriously, but anyway, as far as being a CompleteMonster goes, I think what you have to remember is the context. In, say, an R movie, a BigBad breaking his son's leg and framing him? Horrific, but doesn't make him quite a CompleteMonster. In a kid's show? I'm surprised they got away with what they did. Granted, he's definitely [[MagnificentBastard magnificent]], but I think the two can have a fair amount of overlap.

{{Haven}}: I'd have to agree it's not really CompleteMonster-hood. In my mind, a CompleteMonster is someone for whom ''everything'' he does would be over the [[MoralEventHorizon line]] for another character. The only real crossing of that line he's had was breaking his son's leg, which is reprehensible, but a single act does not a {{complete monster}} make.

{{Ouroboros}}: He didn't just break his son's leg, he wilfully framed his son, and showed no remorse over having done so. He was also fully cognitive and composed during his stints as the Green Goblin, attempting to murder a lot of people for the sheer hell of it. He's a sociopathic, homicidal corrupt corporate executive without any redeeming features, that makes a CompleteMonster in my opinion.

MetalShadowX: Well, it's depending on your view, but although I don't like Osborn very much after what he did (And I personally will start to love hating him), Green Goblin is a class-A villain who I rather liked in the movie because of his ruthlessness and this series makes him even cooler (Of course, being new to the likes of Tombstone and Venom, I find them awesome villains as well).

{{OgreProdigy}}: Again. I don't think he'd make a HeelFaceTurn. It's very unlikely. But the point is that I do like him as a villain - That is, enjoy disliking him. According to the trope description, that's inconsistent with Complete Monsterhood. And I put him in Magnificent Bastard instead of Complete Monster because he got away with framing his son without Harry ending up in jail - Rehab, yes, but if he'd kept his mouth shut he could've gotten away with it.. Looking at what he's done, it doesn't really compare to Venom.

Oh, and BTW Ouroboros, I don't believe him. In fact, that was FridgeBrilliance for me: It just felt too inconsistent that he was actually sane when he was the Goblin, right up until I realized that I'm getting it from someone who we've established to be a liar. That is, he may have said that he was perfectly composed, but just looking at his actions you can tell the difference between the Goblin and Osborn. Also, remember the scene in Season Two wherein he's briefly talking to Hammerhead about the masks? I think some corner of his mind believes that mask influences his personality, and that's what the madness is taking the form of.

And yeah, I agree with Haven. What he did crossed the line, but it established him as 'Wow, what a great villain. Yay, the Stinger revealed he got away - I can't wait to see him in the next season' not 'YES! He's dead dead dead! Wait, The Stinger revealed he got away? I HAVE BEEN BETRAYED BY WEISMAN!'

Again: The Complete Monster description flat-out states that the trope is not for villains that are fun to watch, it's for villains that are DISGUSTING to watch. I like the Goblin.

MetalShadowX: Unless we see more evidence in Season 3, if they show any (or if Season 3 will even be made based on the U.S ratings for Season 2) on whether or not he lied, I don't think we'll get anywhere here...

Ouroboros: For the record, I hated Osborn and the Goblin, so for me he's a Complete Monster. Consider also that the stinger showed he got away, so yeah, he planned it all with a precision the completely bonkers wouldn't be able to muster. I believed him when he said he was sane, in the sense that he was as sane as ever. The man was always a full blown nut, he just hid it better. Remember his love of masks? He was hiding his true personality behind the 'mask' of Norman Osborne.

And for the record, a complete monster is a villain with zero redeeming features, one you want to see go down, I wanted Osborne to go down. Fucking Karma Houdini.

{{OgreProdigy}}: I see. Then we have clearly run into a subjective trope, wherin some consider him a Complete Monster and others a Magnificent Bastard. I myself quite liked the Goblin as an antagonist and did not (do not) want to see him finished off for quite some time, but I see that you disagree.

Oh, and we agree perfectly on the definition of Complete Monster.

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{{Nexus}}: Is Season 3 really in-production?

{{Shale}}: Not that I can find, as much as I'd like it to be true. Google News and Wikipedia turn up nothing.
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{{Storm}}: Uh, why is there not a link to the character sheet?

{{Shale}}: Because whoever launched it did so with the non-hyphenated title.
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{{Storm}}: Removed the second line of this:

** [[MagnificentBastard Norman Osborn]] is the undisputed master of this, though it borders on XanatosRoulette.
*** Still hasn't reached Xanatos' level yet, though.

Since I (poster of the first line) was referring to within the show itself.
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RTaco: Removed the bit about Vulture being Doc Ock's substitute [[TheDragon Dragon]], since Vulture is much ''weaker'' than Ock in combat.
**Similarly, Hammerhead is not nearly as powerful as Tombstone. Silver Sable/Silvermane is ambiguous enough for me to accept her as his dragon, but Hammerhead is just a second-in-command.
MasterGhandalf: Added both back in- not all Dragons are ''stronger'' than their bosses. Indeed, probably the two most famous Dragons are Darth Vader and the Witch-king, both of whom are ''much'' weaker than their respective Big Bads. They're still Dragons because they act as the enforcers and public faces of the evil organization in their stories, and Hammerhead and Vulture both do that to a greater and lesser extent.