Describe TheObiWanDiscussion here.

Is the father in Six Feet Under really an Obi-Wan? He doesn't exactly pass on much before he dies, certainly not on-camera, at least. I'd describe him merely as Spirit Advisor.

Jordan: I wonder if it's true that the example given is the only subversion- aren't trickster mentors or mentor moles a subversion of the Obi Wan- for instance, Lliam Nielsen's character in Batman Begins seems a lot like an Obi Wan at first.

{{Ununnilium}}: This is a good point. Going over to the really-needs-a-new-name MentorMole to add that.

Phinoix Whight has this with his mentor who gets killed at the begginging of his second case, but he meets her sister who is a spirit medium.

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ShayGuy: Regarding the TTGL note...this is the sorta thing that annoys me about the spoiler thing, because the tag is practically useless. Anyone who's seen even episode 1 - or hell, has even ''heard'' of the character in question - can guess who it is.

/me continues to await the Semantic Web

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CharredKnight: I don't know where this new fad of just striking out some thing wrong is but its annoying, just delete the thing that is wrong. In case you want to know [[spoiler: he re-opens his tea shop]]
* [[strike:At this point the event of him dying is almost assured, now we're just haggling over how it'll be done.]]

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Removed Giles as an example since he's a mentor who isn't faster or stronger than the protagonist, who doesn't die. Hardly a stellar example of the trope, also some conversation.

* Rupert Giles on "BuffyTheVampireSlayer" is a classic example, with the only major subversion being that [[spoiler: he never dies. However, after season five, he stops being a regular, and he returns to England a few episodes into season six. He returns later on in several more episodes, but his absence still forces Buffy to lose her dependance on him, as he intended it would.]] Also, Giles is never actually more powerful than Buffy, only wiser and more learned.
** ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' did a funny one-liner on this topic when the younger vampire Spike encounters the vampire who mentored him, Angel. On figuring out that Angel's switched sides, effectively betraying Spike, he gets rather angry.
-->"You were my sire! You were my Yoda, man!"
** The "sire" bit was changed later on when we learn that although Drusilla actually turned Spike into a vampire, it was Angel who turned him into a ''monster''.
** Angelus was technically Spike's grandsire, since he sired Drusilla after [[MindRape Mind Raping her]].