{{Kenb215}}: Changed the paragraph:

...Eastern religion and mythology, and the inclusion of material deemed almost universally "inappropriate" or "too mature" for children's entertainment, such as aggressive battles and on-screen deaths,...

The not for children thing seems somewhat out of place, considering the show's target demographic is boys, 6-14.

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Are there no TropeNamers from this series?

{{Kenb215}}: TastyGold
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henke37: What happened to the PageImage? TheyChangedItNowItSucks. The old one was excellent and the current one is slightly jagged from resizing and doesn't even have a too good actual content in my opinion. I mean, it's too dark, Aang looks well, strange, and the overall hair style and posing isn't good. Bring the old one back!
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Anonymous: This has been bothering me for a while, but I thought I'd run it by other people first before randomly editing. I don't think the example of ItIsAlwaysSpring is correct. It's been stated several times that the first book, water, is winter, the second book, earth, is spring, and the third book, fire, is summer. Each season is a different season, as it were. Anyway, I was just wondering if that example really belongs there.

{{Lale}}: I know; it's actually TravelingAtTheSpeedOfPlot, but when I tried to get it removed in the past, I was unsuccessful.

{{Kenb215}}: The point is, well, the page quote. They go from the southern hemisphere, where it's winter, to the northern hemisphere, where it's still winter instead of the expected summer. The season doesn't change. It sort of fits, although it's not a normal example.

{{Lale}}: I thought that, too -- that's why I added Avatar to that page. But I didn't read the trope all the way through. ItIsAlwaysSpring actually has nothing to do with seasons never changing for the sake of the speed of the plot; it's artists drawing the season as spring by default for the sake fo simplicity. "It is always spring" is shorthhand for "it is always a sunny but cool season where it's not too hot or too cold to require wardrobe or landscape changes." Inappropriately timed passing of seasons is literally TravelingAtTheSpeedOfPlot.

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{{Gus}}: This sentence:
--> ''Avatar: The Last Airbender'' is the story of the titular character, 12-year-old reluctant hero Aang, and his mission to master the arts of "bending" (controlling) the four elements (Air, Water, Earth, and Fire -- and just to make things more interesting, specifically in that order) to enable him to save the world from the BigBad Fire Lord Ozai and end a century-long war, which he spent trapped in an iceberg in SuspendedAnimation (and just to make things more interesting, he has until the end of summer to do it).

... could not possibly run-on any longer. Chop it up, folks. The data is good, but the presentation bites.

Someone: This isn't an English class. I don't see the problem. How would you write it? If you could improve it, you should yourself.

{{Seth}}: That was overly hostile. The wiki has peer review, everyone changes what everyone has written to make it better. All he did was suggest that piece needs cleaning up (Perhaps not in the nicest way but ignore the exact words and take the meaning. Admins aren't known for beating around the bush with criticism :D).

''Avatar: The Last Airbender'' is the story of 12-year-old Aang and his quest to master the arts of "bending" the four [[ElementalRockPaperScissors elements]]. So that he can save the world from [[BigBad Fire Lord Ozai]] and end a century-long war, which he spent trapped in an [[HumanPopsicle iceberg]]. On top of all this he has only until the end of summer to do it!

Cleaned up a bit, i haven't seen the show but this seems to keep the original meaning while taking up less space, feel free to improve my horrible grammar. I removed a lot of the bracketed stuff and placed links to the tropes in question rather than the exposition that was there. ElementalRockPaperScissors covers Fire, Earth, Wind and Water as default so that bit wasn't needed and its generally cleaner. A lot of the bracketed stuff can be placed next to the examples if the author feels they are important.

Eg
*ElementalRockPaperScissors: Aang must master Air, Water, Earth, and Fire in that exact order as part of his quest.

{{Seth}}: There seems better. I think the examples could use a clean up they are kind of hard to read as they are. Change number one would be combining the last 2 lists of examples into one list.

{{Seth}} Okay after reading through the entry i can say it is far too cluttered. These edits i'm making are becoming brutal there is a lot of unnecessary information in the examples that i am just deleting. And i am just scrapping the averted section at the bottom because i don't see the point in listing all the tropes not used in a show.

{{Seth}}: Moved all the examples into one section and cleaned up or removed most of the information that went with it.

That quite a lot to go there. In terms of the Aversion section, the point is that considering the genre, one would exect the show to use to trope but didn't. That's basically what an aversion is and there are plenty of other pages that do the same. Also some have been openly acknowledged by the creators.

Anonymous: I'm not a mod, so I won't change the whole thing back, but I prefer the old set-up; it was more fun to read through examples.

{{Seth}}: Again listing an averted trope every now and then isn't bad, if the set up is there it gets right to the point and there is no trope when you were explicitly expecting it. What you have done is listed most of the fantasy tropes not used in this program. If we did this for everything it would take away the point of having examples.

Also this is a clear example of MagicAIsMagicA not an averted trope, they set their rules and keep to them, only modifying them based on new information later, NeverSayDie is a standard of older programs and dubbed ones a lot of programs say death, kill and other things even those aimed at children now a days. That isn't an averted trope it is one of many that is falling out of favour. This catalogue has hundreds of tropes, to put every one not used by a series under an averted section is pointless so i wipe it again.

For tropes like WhyDontYaJustShootHim, we would not put it in as an Averted Trope we would say this is a series where AnyoneCanDie, there are many examples like that.

Slightly upbeat bit now, your edits are large enough that you should probably start using a handle just so we can keep track of who you are and you can get credit for your work. Most initial entries for show get mangled by other editors so they can fit form, if you can show me another series that fits the template of how this was i will concede but it really didn't fit the standard ([[{{Smallville}} And i have personally changed other entries that were closer to this so that they fit standard]]).

{{Gus}} I apologize for being a bit brief with my critique. The series is important to 'Someone', obviously. It deserves a clear presentation. You should be aware that things written here often become ''the'' reference for fans -- if the entry deserves it. You have a chance here to be widely read; to spread the word; to open people's minds...

A punchy sentence can do those things.

{{Ununnilium}}: I'd say it's an aversion of NeverSayDie. They just plain don't use the trope; that's what an aversion is. Also, the "FinishingMove subversion" needs to be its own trope; I've seen it all the time.

{{Seth}}: Thats the problem i think with marking anything as an averted trope, you can mark almost anything with it.

I'm beginning to think the best way to deal with this is to put a sentence in the entry itself that comments on how many typical fantasy tropes Avatar doesn't use whist praising/commenting on its originality without listing the 12 odd that were there before.

{{Ununnilium}}: True, true. That's probably the best idea.
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{{Airbud}}: What does the article mean by "Eastern censorship"?

''Response:'' Not overly censored like most animation in the west.
Ex: the NeverSayDie thing again. Notice how the characters on the show have yet to utter something along the lines of "...to another dimension."

{{Ununnilium}}: I don't see what the point of adding "Episode" at the end of things is.
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Unnamed Person at 146.145.215.131: I noticed each major character on ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' has their own page because they each so thoroughly fit/are associated with a vast myriad of tropes. Since that's the case with this show's major characters, too, would such a set-up be appropriate for them? Just look how many times Zuko's name appears next to a character trope.

LooneyToons: That was something that was someone -- I forget who now -- did in the wake of my original article. There was no planning or prior discussion, they just did it because they felt it needed doing, and no one objected afterwards. If you have similar feelings about ''this'' page, by all means go right ahead and do it.

{{Seth}}: After staring to watch the series (And a big thanks to the anon editor of this page for getting me interested in it) I'm not sure the characters quite deserve their own pages since they can all be wrapped up with three or four tropes (Liek they already have been under the five man band bit, see). Not to say they aren't original most characters from other shows can be summed up in one.

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{{Seth}}: Cleared away six or so examples that weren't. Things like FingerLickinEvil don't refer to villains who look at their nails when bored but specifically women with cats claw weapons. And FirstGirlWins which doesnt come into it since aside from one single ep comic relief character there is no-one else fighting for his affections (And the relationship with katara seems more natural than most the examples of that trope, 2 guys one girl travel together, the girl is related to one, relationship forms between her and the other guy, seems just normal) Stuff like that, a lot of the examples here were really reaching beyond bounds to make the show look better, Not that it isn't good but its been annoying me since i watched the series how many extra tropes this page had.

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Tulling: "Nickelodeon's genius combination of Eastern art and Western writing, Eastern (lack of) censorship and Western characters." I must admit a personal dislike to terms like Eastern and Western because they are so vague and are often used in inappropriate and contradictory ways. I wonder if it wouldn't be better to be more specific: If "Eastern art" means anime-style (my guess, not having seen this), wouldn't it be better to simply specify that? If this cartoon is produced in the USA (which I presume), wouldn't "american writing" or somesuch be more appropriate than "Western writing"? Similarly for "The show is known for its references to Eastern religion and mythology..." (East of what exactly?) - why not specify which religions and mythologies it references?

{{Ununnilium}}: It wouldn't flow nearly as well, IMHO. I think this perfectly encapsulates the way the show works; it's an attempt to fuse "Eastern" cultural tropes (not just Japanese, but East Asian in general) with "Western" ones (similarly, not just American; they're common to most of Western Europe and countries with traditional links to it), with a deeper understanding than you'd find in, say, ''Totally Spies''. Sure, you *could* say "it has anime-style art except not really", but it wouldn't work that well.

{{Seth}}: I think the lead in is quite well written, and no small amount of discussion and tweaking went into making it that way (Read rest of discussion). As Unu said it encapsulates many eastern (The different races take inspiration from Japan, China, Tibet and others) and western tropes mixed (European dragons and personality types, a lot of obviously american influence). If it were a mix of japanese and american we would have put it but it tries to include everyone (The north water tribe have a lot of Inuit traits for example).

Tulling: Well, in that case I suppose it works reasonably well as a kind of shorthand.

Wiki: Mind if I change "Nickelodean's genius combination...." and replace with the co-creators? After all, they do just show it.

{{Seth}}: I dont have an objection.
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{{Lale}}: Took out the paragraph on Prince Zuko because it's redundant; the same information can be found in the list. Took out FanArt because it's overkill; most shows with a significant fan following have it, along with Fan Fics and Fan Vids.

Wiki: Though it was pretty informative, don't have much of a problem with the Zuko deletion. I'd keep the Fanart though, as its particularly noteable in the series and the page itself wasn't created for nothin.

{{Lale}}: Why was the ChekhovsGun line deleted? The water was "introduced conspicuously" and "became very important later on."

{{Seth}}: That was a mistake i misread the line i thought it meant her pendant from the earlier episodes.

{{Lale}}: Nope, that's on the MacGuffin page.

{{Seth}}: Wiki the GenderBender thing isn't an example, No character switches gender, yet Aangs past lives were women but that does not constitute a GenderBender.

Wiki: I'm just going with the description "Simply put, through no fault of their own the main character has completely changed gender physically, usually through magic or Phlebotinum. This may be a one-time change, or they'll jump the gender line often, multiple times in a single episode even" and the fact that he turned into a woman on a least one occasion, but m'kay. Oh and I changed the picture, hope its alright. Just seems more season 2-ish, or relevent or whatever.

{{Seth}}: The new picture works, i got the old one from a google search before i had seen the series. Just needed something to fill the space and bring it up to template.

Jordan: I was thinking about the characters of Mai and Ty Lee and was wondering if they fell under the category of either punch-clock villains or psychos for hire- they sort of seem an odd combination of the two.

{{Lale}}: Ty Lee was threatened into service, Mai just doesn't care about anything including whatever she's doing, but neither of them is in it for the joy of killing or claims to be "just doing their jobs." They're part of a trio of traveling friends who just happen to be villains.

{{Seth}}: Yeah PowerTrio pretty much has them covered with the other tropes that they are already under. (New series airs soon)

Jordan: Thanks, that makes sense. I was leaning more toward punch-clock villains in the sense that they don't seem to bear a grudge against the heroes nor to be motivated by patriotism for the Fire Nation. As you say, it is a bit unusual that they are childhood friends of the villain and motivated mostly by that.

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{{Seth}} The third season has been announced for July 14, 2007 - just in case anyone was wondering.

{{Lale}}: Great. I'll be in France :(

{{Seth}}: Well if you miss it there are sure to be [[http://www.theavatarportal.com/ Some Nice People]] who will upload it for online viewing. And i'm sure this series will be bit-torrented since the others were so popular.

{{Seth}}: Turns out that was a hoax date added to wikipedia - he real date has been announced [[http://www.avatarspirit.net/index.php#438 Here]] as sept 21st

MorganWick: NeverTrustWikipedia. Completely, anyway. Or rather, trust Wikipedia if and only if it has a little [1] or other number in brackets next to the claim. If it doesn't, or if the applicable [1] (which could be at the end of a paragraph) doesn't actually include the info, slap a {{fact}} on it.

{{Rogue 7}}: Anyone else find it ironic that the 2nd half of season three started exactly a year later?
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guest: can anyone give me an instance in Avatar that qualifies as an ass-kicking pose?

Wiki: [[http://iroh.org/screencaps/ep28/ep28-374.png Yo]]

that same guest: thank you!

{{Lale}}: ''What'' ArcWords, whoever-you-are?

Not the same random complete istranger, but I am ''a'' random complete stanger. Anyway, well there's "Everything is connected". Stated by Aang in the swamp then recited during a critical point during a at the finale. The series as a whole kinda has a character-driven feel that implies that all these different character's destinies are intertwined somehow. Appa's Lost Days being a prime example. Figures that in an SFX interview, Mike and Bryan stated that aside from anime, they were also influenced by the storytelling of ''24'' and ''{{Lost}}''
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{{Lale}}: I've seen a lot of {{Shout Out}}s, but what's the InternalHomage?

Oh there's plenty of those. For the most obvious examples, just use the intro as reference. For example, that scene with Roku bending all four elements seen in the 2007 comic con video. Or that one scene from the same video where Zuko puts on a hood parellels what his mother did when she left him.
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{{Lale}}: What are the PinkBunnySlippers?

Wiki: See now this one I honestly think you can get on your own.

{{Lale}}: Unless it's about how much Zuko and Mai resemble ShinjiIkari and ReiAyanami, no.

{{Seth}}: I love the watchlist feature. It allows me to grab these so much faster.

Wiki: So happy for ya. But you guys give up so easily. Kinda weird in this case as someone brings it up bout every five minutes. Eh well, two words: ''StarWars''.

{{Seth}}: Mark Hamil voices Ozai? Mark Hamil voices ''every'' animated EvilOverlord. There are no hidden brother sister relationships (And no confirmed father son ones, just heavily speculated). The force has little relation to bending and Anikin skywalker was not a spirit medium who could summon tornadoes. Aside from the casting of Mark Hamil i really can't think of any similarities.

Oh and doomed hometown, but they are covered in very different ways.

{{Lale}}: George Lucas deliberately followed TheHerosJourney to the letter. TheHerosJourney is a very basic storytelling tool that appears almost everywhere, including here. This doesn't deliberately resemble StarWars; both -- among many to all others -- follow the same formula.

While I was guessing, I was thinking of more glaring coincidences: i.e. Zuko being Dante Basco's second role as a great swordsman with father issues who's had bad luck with pirates, or the not one, not two, not three, but ''four'' voice actors in common (in similar roles, nonetheless) with AmericanDragonJakeLong. I guess there are actually many ''opportunities'' for PinkBunnySlippers on this show, just not used.

Wiki: For Seth, I didn't say anything about the Voice casting, which in itself has little to do with PinkBunnySlippers. And we all know Mark Hamill doesn't voice every single animated EvilOverlord. I take it that this exaggaration thing I keep hearing about. Personally, I kinda wish they had gone with Perlman.

That aside, I myself wasn't all that impressed whenever someone brought up the gratutious Star Wars parallel. Much like you did, I stated that they were just following the typical formula that had been laid out long before Lucas was even a person. Still, there are some things ya just can't ignore. The finale pretty much echoed the franchise. Aang/Lucas are receiving mentor from Yoda/Pathik to learn how to use Avatar Spirit/the force (bear with me there, not the biggest fan). Then suddenly they have a vision of their friends in danger and leave prematurely. They go over to save the day, end up gettin their asses handed to them. The season/episode ends on a downer with the antagonists being victorious, in complete contrast to the previous finale/episode. All in all, leads to a "yes I know what this looks like" scenario. Surem, Star Wars writing is pretty generic, okay really generic, but its still there. Plus the creators express that they're pretty big fans of it, but the again, who isn't? I actually really hope the show doesn't follow the formula to a tack, or whatever. At this point, it all just seems really redudant. Huh, trope.

{{Lale}}: This sounds more like something I brought up long ago -- StarWarsIsEverywhere. Either every show references it at some point, or people see references to it at some point. I've never seen ''The Empire Strikes Back'' and din't make the connection until people started talking about it afterwards.

{{Kissing Kate}}: Oh hey, don't forget about all that stuff that went down "The Deserter." That scene with Zhao, Jeong Jeong, and Aang mirrored episode 4 so freakishly well. DeceptiveDisciple and now powerful commanding officer Anak-er-Darth Vader/Admiral Zhao confronts his old master and gloats how much better off he is now as a result of abandoning their tutelage. Aang/Luke shows up on the scene for the rescue. Jeong Jeong/Obi Wan gives a glance at Aang/Luke, smiles slyly, and allows himself to be attacked, disappearing without a trace in the process. They really went in for the kill with the "glance and smile" bit. Didn't catch it myself until just now.

{{Lale}}: But... the fact that it's a trope says it's not something unique to StarWars that should automatically be considered a {{Homage}}. Zuko's a troubled teen who wants the approval of his EvilOverlord father and is frequently paired with the EmotionlessGirl -- similar to but I doubt InspiredBy NeonGenesisEvangelion.

Wiki: So ya didn't watch it, that explains quite a bit. Though to be honest I've never actually managed to sit through a whole Star Wars movie. Stuff like Star Wars, you can pick up almost everything through ItWasHisSled. Anyway when I said "trope" at the very end, I was refering to the fact that redundancy is the whole point of this site wiki thing.

That thing "The Deserter" just lays it in. Had been wondering for the longest time what the hell he was smiling about. Watch the Vader/Obi Wan/Luke clip, then watch the Zhao/Jeong Jeong/Aang scene. Once you see it, you'll get it right away. Also heard somewhere that they were inspired by NGE, but even if it was true, while still good and all, the show's pretty far off from that for most. Then again, ya really gotta consider the circumstances and junk.

{{Lale}}: I've read that Deserter-New Hope & [=CoD=]-Empire parallel so many times, I don't have to see the movie to get the similarity. I just think, w/ no in-show [[{{Homage}} acknowledgement]], the trope is a stretch.

Wiki: That's pretty much what I've been sayin. Haven't seen the whole movie myself but its still obvious. You kinda lost me at that last part, but the most I can say is that watching the two scenes really helps it sink in.

{{Lale}}: Re-worded it.

Wiki: Not really that much of a stretch. It looks stretchy when its being written out like this, and for me I'm mostly explainin it like this cause ya haven't seen it. Now that NGE thing, that's kindof a stretch as shows are filled with EvilOverlord fathers, troubled teens, usually white, and emotionless girls. Whereas that scenerio that went down in "The Deserter" is incredibly dead-on. But eh, I'm running out of debate juice, and may have even forgetten what it is I wanted to do. Somethin bout flip flops.

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{{Seth}}: I would contest {{Wangst}} - yes there is some angst in the story but it is played well and isn't that whiny. The SmiteMeOhMightySmiter moment was a dramatic metamorphosis for his character, it was a little melodramatic but not wangst.

{{Lale}}: I've actually seen the "dramatic overkill" accusation directed more towards Aang in Season 2, albeit probably unfairly -- angst simply works better for the scarred teenaged AntiHero than the KidHero who likes penguin sledding.
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{{Seth}}: The first episode of book 3 aired today, everyone keep their eyes on this page.
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{{Lale}}: You can't tell if Zuko's a TragicHero yet. {{Tragic Hero}}es aren't just heroes who fail because of their own flaws and die as a result. There are two more key points: they learn something or or something about them changes, and their death serves some greater good for someone else besides them. Arthur Miller forgot these two points when writing the character of Wlly Loman in ''Death of a Salesman'' and insisted for years that he ''was'' a TragicHero before consenting. Willy Loman is a ''pathetic hero'', one who fails because of their own flaws like a TragicHero but doesn't learn anything, and nothing is changed for the better for anyone else either. I wouldn't call Zuko a pathetic hero, though, because he's a villain.

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TheDefenestrator: Why was the BellisariosMaxim example deleted?

{{Lale}}: Moved to ItIsAlwaysSpring. Seems to fit better there.

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H. Torrance Griffin: If anyone has more patience than I, [[http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:qiA5Q-v_VA0J:www.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AvatarTheLastAirbender+Aang+tvtropes&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2 here is a cache]] for updating.
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AckSed: I reckon this is the unofficial cartoon of TV Tropes. Because,no lie,when I want to find out if there's a new episode out,I just come here to see if anyone's added to or edited the entries.
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{{Kenb215}}: Pulled out a few that I don't think actually fit; shown below. Anyone disagree?
*BigEater: Sokka
*CollapsingLair: "The Library"
*ElementalRockPaperScissors
*EnigmaticMinion: Zuko
*OpeningScroll: This Season 3 Promo
*UncannyValley: Subverted by Zuko's scar. Sadly, real-life facial burn scars fall right into the middle of it, being much less discolored and more off-texture than what Zuko has.

Also changed
*FamiliarityBreedsContemplation: Subverted: Katara and Zuko get trapped in a cave, but no moral is learned and no loyalties change.
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*LockedInARoom: Subverted: Katara and Zuko get trapped in a cave, but no moral is learned and no loyalties change.

{{Rogue 7}}: CollapsingLair should definitely be there, and the same for ElementalRockPaperScissors (RPS in Avatar is actually based on the 4 elements). I do think that Sokka's supposed to be a big eater, as well.

{{Kenb215}}: CollapsingLair is just when the lair is destroyed. The library wasn't destroyed, Wan Shi Tong just took it away. Are we sure that the game actually had one element better than the other in a cycle? As for Sokka, this is never seen and is only mentioned in one line, except for him complaining in some the earlier episodes.

{{Rogue 7}}: Sokka's still the "meat and sarcasm" guy. Iunno. But what else would you call what the bird-thing did to the library? It was sinking into the desert and would have sank a lot faster had Toph not been there. There was still the entire concept of "get out before it's too late" present, and wasn't a lot of stuff still falling down (books and scrolls off shelves and the like)? I'm at a loss what to call that otherwise.
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ThatOther1Dude: Which do you think better qualifies as a TearJerker: the end of "The Tale of Iroh" or Jet's death?

{{Seth}} *Cough* [[http://tvtropes.org/phpbb3/index.php The Forums are a better place for questions like that]]

Wiki: Either that or find yourself a nice [[FanWank fanny]], SubjectiveTrope. We seem to have quite a few of those around nowadays. Eh. But to answer the question, Iroh's/Mako's dedication literally made me tear, which for reasons I'd rather not get into, ain't all that easy. Suffice to say, I had trouble taking Jet's death seriously. Idaknow, around that time I was getting into/going back to more mature-toned anime so to watch such expressive and artistically unbridled stuff like that and then come back and watch such a conspiciously albeit necessarily restrained/forced sequence was kinda off for me. But as said before, subjective and junk like this really is better on a nice forum. Lookin back, I don't even know why we bothered putting those up.

ThatOther1Dude: Yes, because there are no topic that [[JustForFun exist just for enjoyment]], because this is SeriousBusiness.

Wiki: Damn straight. I really hope you're not being sarcastic. Don't know why but ya tend to run into that quite a bit in places like this.
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{{Rogue 7}}: Saw that someone put up "Fantasy Counterpart Culture" And I've got some issues with it. Airbenders are not Mongolians as near as I can tell- they seem to be all buddhists, particularly the buddhists of Tibet (which is what waterbenders are listed as.) I find waterbenders to be far closer to the inuit in terms of visual design. Earth/China and Fire/Japan I agree with, though.
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greatpenguin: Does anyone else think that Ozai will end up being displaced from his BigBad status and replaced with Azula? She's had waaaay more character development and has proven herself at least as good, if not better, at being a MagnificentBastard.

ThatOther1Dude: We'll just wait and see, though she does seem to be much more loyal then you'd expect (possibly real loyalty, possibly she just knows she can't run an entire country)
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ThatOther1Dude: Pending:
*DisContinuity: "[[http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/7835/70deletedft5.jpg The Great Divide]]"

Is there really a point in putting "The Great Divide" in DisContinuity? I've check several ranking of it, and the average the average score is really just mediocre at worse. Most of all, the [[BreatherEpisode episode has no real impact on the series as a whole]], so it wouldn't even matter if it didn't exist.

{{Lale}}: [[http://www.livevideo.com/video/71EB9790CB5D42A78A650F01402ADA4B/avatar.aspx You're right]]. It's actually CanonDisContinuity.

{{Rogue 7}}: Just tossing around those clips from NYCC pretty casually, eh Lale? I think with what we've seen there "This the kind of wacky, time-wasting nonsense I've been missing!"- pretty much describing this one as filler, along with all his other things, puts him in this trope. Incidentally, I think that that line should be the page quote for {{Filler}}.

{{Lale}}: It's not my fault [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife everything I see makes me think of where it fits on TV Tropes]].

{{Rogue 7}}: Except that this episode looks to be the single most meta thing short of OrderOfTheStick. I was in stitches the entire time from all the self-parody going on.

{{Lale}}: Would this be WhoWouldWantToWatchUs?

{{Rogue 7}}: Perhaps. StylisticSuck also applies, I think, as does CharacterExaggeration. I think that this is going to be TV Tropes' favorite episode.

GloatingSwine: It certainly says something about the series that the worst crime an episode commits is being ''{{Filler}}'', and it gets landed in DisContinuity...

{{Lale}}: (Actually, the great crime the discontinued(?) episode committed was no Zuko) But seriously... "The Runaway" is as filler as it gets, but it's nothing like "The Great Divide." TGD isn't hated for being filler but for being {{Anvilicious}} about one of the most cliched, overly done Aesops and [[BrokenAesop breaking]] said Aesop on top of it since the conflict is only resolved through an elaborate lie. Plus, it was just boring. Plus, ''Avatar'' subtley deals with the subject of racism much more realistically in almost every episode anyway.

ThatOther1Dude: I don't want to watch the spoilered episode but what does it say about The Great Divide? Just saying something is Filler, and noting that it was kind dumb in hindsight does not make it CanonDiscontinuity. (That's also not a BrokenAesop, it's a SpoofAesop or not one at all). I feel DisContinuity is getting ''really'' overused, and we have people declaring it on an episode that most people I've meant found at worst mediocre. I mean something used to have to be absolutely horrendous or cause something horrible to happen for the series as a whole to qualify, but now everyone just throws it on whatever possibly just a very small number of people consider very bad.

{{Kenb215}}: It's just a joke, they didn't actually discard it.

ThatOther1Dude: That too.

{{Rogue 7}}: I'd argue that it counts. Basically, the episode's a [[spoiler: humorous recap of the series, set as a play. The actors come to the great divide, and the actor playing Sokka remarks "eh, let's keep flying."]] I call it CanonDiscontinuity.

{{Lale}}: ^ My thoughts exactly. I don't know anything about how overused regular DisContinuity is, but the writers acknowledging ''in the show'' that the fans hate the episode so much they wish it hadn't happened sounds like CanonDisContinuity to me.

{{Kenb215}}: I thought CanonDiscontinuity was for when the episode/movie is officially written out of canon, that is, the event is considered to have never happened. I don't think the writers decided to change it so the Gaang never helped those two tribes from "The Great Divide".

ThatOther1Dude: YES! That's exactly the point. Just admitting an episode was bad does not make it CanonDiscontinuity. Unlike some people, they're not going to throw DisContinuity around on ''everything'' they dislike, especially when there's so little point in it.

{{Lale}}: But they agree it should never happened.

ThatOther1Dude: Whatever, but more importantly they're aren't not saying actually ''didn't'' happen, so it's not an example.

CharredKnight: '''IT WAS A JOKE!''' YOU KNOW FUNNY HAHAHA! My god, can you not understand humor? It was joke about how SOME people didn't like it, and how it was simply Filler and completely unimportant. They are not saying that it did not exist, the episode in question is most likely a silly filler episode meant as something for the fans, they put in a joke that was for the fans. STOP TAKING EVERYTHING LITERAL!
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{{Lale}}: The debate of how all [[spoiler:five]] members of the Gaang fit elements of TheChick role is on TheChick page. Since the true answer is the trope is simply averted here, let's contain that to one place.
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{{Kenb215}}: I tried cleaning the page up a bit, although it doesn't look any clearer. Removed the following:
* ConvectionSchmonvection: Used right ''once'', when Aang [[spoiler:sets his wooden glider down near a lava stream, and it catches fire within seconds]]. Which only makes the other approximately fifteen thousand times someone puts bare skin or flammable material near lava or intense flame with no ill effects at all even odder.
* HeroSecretService: The Order of the White Lotus
* VillainsNeverLie: Azula. Nuff said.

Also, what are some of the "spectacular number of [[AvertedTrope Averted Tropes]]" mentioned in the removed (and self-contradicting) part of the lead?

CharredKnight: Not once has Azula kidnapped Aang, and Katara, brutally raped Aang while forcing Katara to watch, which would later cause Aang to fall in love with Azula, while Sokka cracks jokes about the rape. That's three Averted tropes right their.
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{{Rogue 7}}: 04/26/2008- Boiling Rock's been leaked. Just seen it.
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GloatingSwine: Updated the FantasyCounterpartCulture entry. The Fire Nation doesn't resemble Japan very much at all, it's much more like earlier Imperial China in terms of martial arts, fashion, and personal weapons, whereas the Earth kingdom is more like later Imperial China. The series as a whole has a few Japanese influences scattered around, but they're not concentrated in any one area.

GloatingSwine: Deleted Japan from here ''again''. There is almost nothing of ancient Japan in the Fire Nation. If ''anywhere'' in the Avatar world is a FantasyCounterpartCulture for Japan, it's Kyoshi Island.

{{Lale}}: I think the reasoning is that it's a small but powerful island nation off the coast off a much larger nation, like Japan is to China.

GloatingSwine: That's a fairly weak connection, and is trivial compared to the fact that all their fashions, fighting styles, and, well, everything else about them is early to mid period Imperial China. Certainly they don't bear enough resemblance to be worth mentioning as a FantasyCounterpartCulture for Japan.

CharredKnight: Fire Nation is far more similar to Nazi Germany than Imperial Japan, since its a nation that wants to be a one nation order, and apparently Ozai wants to Ethnically Cleanse the planet (or at least he wants to exterminate the Earth Nation), and since Souzin already killed off the Air Nomads, I see no reason why Ozai would let the Water Nation live.

{{Sukeban}}: I dunno, it reminds me a lot of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarism-Socialism_in_Showa_Japan Showa era Japan]] before 1945 -- the militarism and children indoctrination, and that thing about "sharing the greatness of the Fire Nation" smacks of the "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asian_Co-Prosperity_Sphere Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere]]".

SatanicHamster: If I may chime in, I had a grand uncle who fought at Corregidor, survived the Bataan Death March, was POW at Imperial Japanese prison camp, and escaped it and became a guerrilla fighter. That period of his life was so horrible that almost never talked about it. Given if one reads about Japan, East Asia, and World War II, it gives an impression that Imperial Japan wasn't all that different from Nazi Germany. One of the most interesting differences between these nations would be that Nazi Germany generally treated their POWs MUCH better than Imperial Japan. I'd say Fire Nation = Imperial Japan fits rather well.
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GloatingSwine: When did Suki take a level in badass? I was under the impression that she was ''always'' a badass ActionGirl, but didn't get enough screen time to show it until [[spoiler:The Boiling Rock]].

CharredKnight: Deleted it for that reason. She was always a badass she just rarely got to show it due to being a minor character. TookALevelInBadass means that a loser character trains and becomes a competent fighter. Sokka learning how to sword fight for an example, if this was an anime you would bet that in Invasion he would be mowing down Fire Nation soldiers.
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McMax: Question. Isn't time to remove spoilers tags from any information that's from seasons one and two?

CharredKnight: No, nothing is ItWasHisSled, and it would be rude to remove spoiler tags and ruin the plot for people who are not yet into Avatar. If their is a time limit for spoilers, I would think that it would last longer than 1 year.
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{{Lale}}: [[FiveManBandExamplesPartThree Might as well be consistent...]]

ThatOther1Dude: [[spoiler:Zuko]] sure as hell isn't TheLancer (he's far from a right-hand man and I don't think he fits anything but SixthRanger). Just having Healing powers (that are ''far'' from a main ability) and being {{The Hero}}'s love interest does not automatically make you TheChick (most definitely not "one of the most blatant examples in fiction").

CharredKnight: He's the stereotypical Sixth ranger. He fights the group as an enemy, does the HeelFaceTurn and is as powerful as the hero. A Lancer, is the heroes right hand man, best friend, and generally weaker than the hero. Katara fits that perfectly. The only problem is that the character in question joins far to late to be anything more than a minor addition.

GloatingSwine: Nope, Katara's still not TheChick, deleted it again.

RedViking: Didn't she ''used'' to be TheChick though? Being one doesn't automatically mean you're dead weight.

ThatOther1Dude: She was more a member of [[WeAreTeamCannonFodder Team Cannon Fodder]], as both her ''and'' Sokka weren't very useful compared to Aang early on, but that was [[TookALevelInBadass taken care of]] by the end of the first season (at least for her).

{{KJMackley}}: Unfortunately TheChick has the general [[TropesAreNotBad connotation of being worthless and girly]]. I'd think that with Katara being female, having healing powers, being the love interest of TheHero and even the other characters commenting on her "motherly" behavior qualifies her. Just because she doesn't become the helpless hero bait, Katara can be both TheLancer and TheChick. She certainly fits it better then Toph.

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CharredKnight: The novelization of the finale is out, and based on it, Nick has some massive balls if this airs like the novelization goes since it deals with ethnic cleansing.

ThatOther1Dude: I haven't read it, but that seems funny because it was apparently suppose to be for a ''younger'' audience then the actual episode.

CharredKnight: Neither have I, all I know is that he plans to use Soizin's comet to burn Ba Sing Sa to ashes, when he already rules the city.
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CharredKnight: deleted because the episodes where not finished yet, hard to show the second half if it isn't finished.

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GloatingSwine: Cutting the HartmanHips reference. Belongs on the character page anyway, and isn't really very accurate.

{{Rogue 7}}: I'm thinking that this page should have a note that it's probably the show that the greatest number of tropers started watching after discovering it here. I loved the show beforehand, but I've seen it mentioned a lot.

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{{Adam850}}: Not so fast! Even though we've seen everybody's face so far, it doesn't mean that for the first two seasons, Ozai wasn't the faceless. He was.
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CharredKnight: Anyone wanna guess how many Fire Nation people just died? Looking back I am pretty sure that King Bumi just killed Mai's family.

{{Lale}}: [[NeverFoundTheBody Not unless we see the bodies]].
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CharredKnight: Anyone complaining about Fire Lord Ozai should read Robert Jordan's ''WheelOfTime'', where the act of stilling/gentling removes the ability to channel from a person. In this circumstance the victim will usually die relativly quickly as they lose the will to live, and that's in the outside world. All of the victims that are given this punishment are shown to be shells of their former selves even when revenge is in the works. A scene in the series shows channelers being unnerved even when they temporarly lose the power to channel, and one of those who lost the ability to channel temporarly compared the whole thing to losing the sun. Now equate that to Ozai who has not only lost all his bending abilities but the ability to live in the outside world only having a small cell to live in. Aang has ruined his life, he can no longer bend, he can no longer be outside. He has nothing, Aang has taken everything away from him that truly matters to him. Death is a welcome respite from the unending misery that is Ozai's existence. Ozai has lost the sun, and everything that brings joy, and happyness. Aang is one sick fucking bastard.

{{Lale}}: Thus raising the question of why heroes with a strict ThouShaltNotKill doctrine don't have a "thou shalt not inflict a FateWorseThanDeath" doctrine. An effective FateWorseThanDeath (''like this one'') is the ultimate loophole for censors, and the conscience, that still delivers EmotionalTorque, even more than a simple killing would.

CharredKnight: Thinking about it you might be right about this not being an accident by the directors. If you look at the final scene with Ozai his shown huddling in a corner with a blanket on when its clearly not cold. That his life now, wearing a blanket in warm weather, huddling in that corner.

{{Lale}}: Some page on this site used the term "spiritual castration." Since Aang pretty much removed a piece of his soul, would this qualify as MindRape?

{{AkatsukiDaybreak}}: That has totally changed my opinion of the finale. You're right, Aang is ''much'' sicker than I imagined. Killing Ozai would've been much kinder than what he did. I think that definitely belongs in MindRape.

{{Lale}}: I thought so.

{{Bob}}: I've made a counter-argument on the copy of this discussion on the MindRapeDiscussion page but instead of copying it back here, I think we should just have the entire argument on that page.

{{KJMackley}}: I think in the end, this would definitely count under TechnicalPacifist. It doesn't really specify what he did, but it was clearly a violation. There will definitely be a debate if Aang truely did the right thing. TakeAThirdOption made himself feel morally clean, but Ozai's condition leads to other implications. Personally I think that MindRape implies that that it is traumatic and almost like physical torture with the way they are afterwards, Ozai didn't have a clue what happened. By taking away his bending power, it was symbolic of the Avatar stripping away his right as the Phoenix King and Fire Lord, afterall AuthorityEqualsAsskicking.

{{nlpnt}}: It isn't all Aang; he spared Ozai's life and took his bending, but Ozai is being held under ''Zuko's'' jurisdiction. Zuko's free to have Ozai moved to a completely sunless underground cell, or a much nicer one, or send him off to be a barista in Ba Sing Se for that matter (assuming Iroh'll give his brother a job...) It's probably a matter of when or if Ursa turns up, and in what condition.

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{{Lale}}: Shouldn't we look for a new picture?

Black Charizard: I think so. How about [[http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/4287/avatargroupov5.jpg this one]]? It's from a Nick Magazine issue, and it's the same size and everything than the current one.

{{Lale}}: Good, but OffModel.
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AckSed: I want to thank TV Tropes for turning me on to this show. I would have never considered watching it otherwise,but you've made a fan of me!
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{{Lale}}: A lot of the example descriptions were redundant or FanCruft.
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{{Lale}}: Just saying a trope is used "in spades," "frequent, " or "numerous" and nothing more is unnecessary. The trope's presence on the list indicates it was used, and not specifyign indicates use was ongoing or more than once.

Numerous characters besides the Dai Li (Zuko, Suki...) can WallCrawl, so no need to specify.

PowerPerversionPotential is a fanon practice; (unfortunately) there's no instance in the show of anyone explicitly using their powers for ThisOrThat.

If NeverSayDie is neither a full aversion nor a habitual practice, then it's not worth listing.

StillWaters: I added that last one back in. The double treatment it receives is extremely noticeable when watching the show, and hence worth listing.
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** This trope is deliberately parodied rather than directly used. It is obviously (and improbably) the exact same merchant every time.

{{Lale}}: Relevance?

{{priopraxis}} : Does ZeppelinsfromAnotherWorld really belong here ? The heroes never cross into another universe,and the airships aren't there to signal that they do.
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{{Lale}}: About the MostCommonSuperpower, Jin may be generously well-endowed, OrSoIHeard (I never noticed), but she's not a warrior.

{{KJMackley}}: I don't think the MostCommonSuperpower even applies to the show, since Ty Lee is the only example. Even then, the show doesn't have much art exaggeration and everyone has very realistic proportions. Ty Lee wears outfits that could be considered FanService, but she isn't exactly unbalanced. I think I'll cut it because it isn't the most obvious or clear use of that trope.
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{{KJMackley}}: I changed the MacGuffin example to something more accurate. Katara's necklace is used as a ChekhovsGun for later episodes, but it hardly drives the plot and even the episode where Aang retrieves it during a fight was just an added bonus upon escape. It was never treated like something drastically important, just an item of sentimental value. The frogs in ''The Blue Spirit'' on the other hand are much closer to the trope.
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{{Lale}}: Moved the rather long AdrenalineMakeover description to AdrenalineMakeover.
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{{Lale}}: We have six pages of FridgeLogic...
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{{KJMackley}}: I know there has been a lot of debate on this subject but I inserted a line about Katara being TheChick. After helping with TropesAreNotGood, SquarePegRoundTrope and thinking about their relationship with TropesAreNotBad, I realized that the only reason people are arguing that Katara ''isn't'' TheChick is because she is an ActionGirl, not a DistressedDamsel. That isn't the defining characteristic of TheChick, yet Katara fits into being the team's moral center, has healing abilities, is the romantic interest of the hero and lastly, is female (feminine balance). I actually find it more impressive that they were able to combine TheLancer and TheChick so effectively, often the ActionGirl is just a girl with a guy's personality.

{{Lale}}: Thank you. Now for TheChick page...

We need a new picture. How about this one?[[http://allagea.deviantart.com/art/Gaang-85550115]]

Black Charizard: Very cool picture, but Zuko fighting alongside the rest of the group is kinda spoilery. Not everybody who comes to read this article has seen the series, you know.

{{Lale}}: But YouShouldKnowThisAlready. The picture for that trope used to show TheHero and a former villain of MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha as allies.

{{KJMackley}}: I'm thinking what is needed is a more up-to-date image that doesn't outright spoil anything, probably at least something including Toph. I found [[http://media.photobucket.com/image/the%20last%20airbender/matthewn97/avatar%20the%20last%20airbender/avatar-thelastairbender6.jpg?o=164 This Image]], which I think would work well. It's visually dynamic and includes the four main group members. Sure it has the eclipse, but we can't get that bent out of shape about spoilers, can we?

{{Lale}}: I just feel like... Zuko deserves to be in it. But it's no big deal.

{{KJMackley}}: Well the only image that would satisfy everyone and everything would be the [[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000QUEQ86/sr=8-1/qid=1221850724/ref=dp_image_text_0?ie=UTF8&n=130&s=dvd&qid=1221850724&sr=8-1 Season Two DVD box art]], but it would be kind of tacky. Maybe if someone wanted to Photoshop the words and logos out...

{{KJMackley}}: I uploaded the eclipse group shot, partially because it was suggested here for an updated picture and also I just love the image. It's a bit wider then the previous image, but not as tall. If you want it to be smaller I can resize it.

{{Lale}}: It just ocurred to me -- shouldn't it be something in the art style of the actual show? Will newcomers know it's FanArt? Is that important?

{{KJMackley}}: I don't think there is a problem so long as it is not OffModel, but I'll be honest and say I'm not sure if this is FanArt or a promotional image. I just did a google search and found it. If it is fan art, I really can't tell.

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Re: Hama, she is a subversion of TheBooRadley, initially looks evil, makes you think she's not, as with the normal Boo Radley trope, but oh, wait, she actually is, subversion. However, it's a character trope, so I put it on the characters page.

{{Lale}}: TheBooRadley ''is'' a subversion. A person is set-up to look evil and sinister, then that expectation is subverted and they turn out to be not so bad. Hama was set up to look creepy and evil like she was hiding something and... she was. There was never a moment where you wouldn't think she was hiding something.

TheDefenestrator: You can subvert a trope that is itself a subversion of another trope. That would just make it a DoubleSubversion of the original trope as well. Right?

{{Lale}}: But when a trope inherently involves a twist Reveal, and the "subverted" example is the trope with lack of the twist, that probably means they weren't trying to twist TheReveal at all.

DeadpoolFan: Removed the hypocritical humour statement in the Metaphorgotten, whether or not Toph or Sokka's quips are good is up to personal indiscretion. Remember {{Your Mileage May Vary}}.
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FireWalk: Right, I'm doing an over-enthusiastic clearup of the tropes on the list. I openly admit I'm being horrendously dracosian about how I'm clearing things up. Below is what I've savagely cleft, with occasional comments of my own viewpoints. Hopefully salvaging will be more constructive:

Character Tropes which are on (or should be on) the character sheet anyway (needn't be added back, unless ''really'' wanted, should probably be added to the character sheet)
* AntiHero/[[AntiVillain Villain]]: Prince Zuko
* BadassGrandpa: (Uncle Iroh and [[spoiler: everyone in the White Lotus Society.]])
* BadAssNormal
* BunnyEarsLawyer: Bumi, Sokka, and Ty Lee
* CompleteMonster: Firelord Ozai
* CosmicPlaything: Zuko
* CreepyTwins: Lo and Li, an elderly example.
* DangerouslyGenreSavvy: Azula
* TheDumbledore: Iroh
* EmotionlessGirl: Mai
* EvilChancellor: Long Feng
* EvilMentor: [[spoiler:Hama]]
* TheEvilPrince: Ozai in backstory.
* IneffectualSympatheticVillain: Prince Zuko
* LadyOfWar: Suki, Mai
* LoveableRogue: Prince Zuko in Season 2
* MagnificentBastard: Azula
* MamaBear: Ursa ([[MeaningfulName whose name means "bear"]]), when we learn that [[spoiler:she murdered Azulon, in the backstory]].)
* ManipulativeBastard: Azula
* MartialPacifist: Iroh
* PerkyFemaleMinion: Ty Lee
* PerpetualFrowner: Zuko, Mai
* PluckyComicRelief: Sokka
* RetiredBadass: Jeong Jeong, Iroh, Piandao.
* TheRival: Prince Zuko
* TragicHero: Jet
* WellExcuseMePrincess: Mai
* WellIntentionedExtremist: Jet
* WorthyOpponent: Prince Zuko

Things which are vague enough, or in everything anyway (only add with a really ideal example)
* AvertedTrope: lots of 'em (FireWalk 's comment: most Avatar examples of an AvertedTrope are due to EntryPimping, there's nothing notably which is earth shatteringly '''not''' done in the show)
* {{Backstory}}
* CrowningMomentOfAwesome
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming
* CommercialBreakCliffhanger
* FlashBack
* {{Foreshadowing}}
* MoodWhiplash
* PreviouslyOn
* TheSmurfettePrinciple: Successfully averted -- as acknowledged by the co-creators, the show proves that an action/adventure series doesn't have to necessarily be male-dominated. Now they just need to convince Mattel... (FireWalk: Not that it's a bad thing, but not sure it fits on this page)

Things which can stay but need some description.
* AndZoidberg
* AngstWhatAngst
* ArtEvolution (FireWalk: not one I've specifically noted)
* AssKickingPose
* BurnBabyBurn
* AudibleSharpness
* AuthorityEqualsAsskicking
* BarBrawl
* BecauseDestinySaysSo
* BishieSparkle
* CatFight
* ContinuityNod
* CouldHaveBeenMessy
* CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass
* DiagonalCut
* DisturbedDoves
* DramaticWind
* DreamWithinADream
* DreamSequence
* DressingAsTheEnemy
* DuelToTheDeath
* EmpathyDollShot: Subverted
* EstrogenBrigade
* FanDumb: "Avatar is so much better in the original Japanese." At first I thought it was a joke. [[WallBanger It wasn't]].
* FoeTossingCharge
* FunnyBackgroundEvent
* GettingCrapPastTheRadar
* HandsOnApproach
* HardWorkHardlyWorks
* IKnewIt (FireWalk is highly cynical on this, or at least it's value in being listed)
* ImprobableAge
* InternalHomage
* KillHimAlready
* LickedByTheDog: Or rather, the bison (FireWalk: fine example, but whom and why?)
* LockingMacGyverInTheStoreCupboard
* ManchurianAgent
* MythArc
* {{Mythopoeia}}
* NightmareFuel
* OffingTheOffspring
* OurGhostsAreDifferent
* PillarOfLight
* RedOniBlueOni
* RedSkyTakeWarning
* RefusalOfTheCall
* {{Reincarnation}} (FireWalk: Oh, boy howdy, but does someone want to go into describe, please?)
* RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething
* SaveTheVillain
* SceneryPorn
* ScheduleSlip
* SealedWithAKiss
* SheIsNotMyGirlfriend
* ShipToShipCombat
* ShortRunInPeru
* ShoutOut
* SlaveToPR
* SpySpeak
* SteamPunk
* StormingTheCastle
* StrangeBedfellows
* SwordLines
* TearJerker
* TonightSomeoneKisses
* TranslationConvention
* TwoLinesNoWaiting
* WallCrawl
* WeaponOfChoice
* TheWorldTree (FireWalk: Seriously, only in the vaguest terms)
* WorldBuilding

Now If you'll excuse me, I need to mourn an hour of my life.

{{Lale}}: Lists of tropes used in series' or a work's pages aren't supposed to come with lengthy, wordy descriptions. The idea is the trope is simply listed, and clicking on the link will take you to the trope page where you can read the details of the example. Pages get cluttered by too much description, not too many tropes. If a trope is used, it should be listed. The HarryPotter page has them broken up into sections -- including Characters.

On second thought... criminy, that's a long list.

FireWalk: Meh, a lot of it is me working through, with the intention of clearing thigns up better. Most could easily be cleared up with a brief line or two (and I'd happily think they would), although the second category are (on my mind) things that are in just about everything, so not worth listing. This is probably just due to me temporarily becoming the pure antithesis of Avatar-pimping. I am planning on sorting this somepoint into classified groups. But then, I'm also planning to do something worthwhile with my life, so my planning is clearly not 100%

{{KJMackley}}: A clean-up doesn't need to be about erasing half of the tropes to make the list shorter, it should be taking out repetitive things (like MixAndMatchCritters and the running gag on Hybrid Animals tell the same joke with the Earth Kings plain ol' bear) as well as the things that just don't fit (Also with MixAndMatchCritters, it is not really a RunningGag, it was played for laughs ''once''). As far as character tropes, some major ones like Zuko being an AntiVillain should remain on the main page, while less important ones like Azula's LimpAndLivid should go on the Character Sheet.

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Added the [[spoiler:"redirecting lightning"]] example. It started out as a ChekhovsGun when [[spoiler:Iroh used it to deflect a natural bolt in ''The Storm'', then later used it to deflect a bolt from Azula.]] It then graduated to the rank of ChekhovsSkill when [[spoiler:Iroh taught it to Zuko, who in turn taught it to Aang -- both of whom ultimately used it against Ozai.]]
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{{Mullon}}: Hey, do Teo, Haru, and The Duke count as ThoseTwoGuys (well, three) during the second half of the third season? They weren't a GreekChorus, but they did have the same lack of plot relevence.
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Cronus: Turns out that in the M. Night film, Zuko will now be played by Dev Patel ''instead of'' Jesse [=McCartney=]
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GeneralNerd: Hey, guys. Long time reader, first time {{Troper}}. I have a bit of an issue with Zuko's supposed EmoTeen ImportantHaircut. I always thought this was an {{homage}} to Bruce Lee, especially since his fighting style had evolved from the breakdance fighting in Season 1 to something more like Bruce Lee in Season 2.
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Monaluu the Hopeful: Sweet flame-retardant chest hairs of Roku! This page possibly has 1/3 of all tropes here, ''mininum'' (at least, it looks it).
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WallBanger was added and subsequently removed on the grounds that it was missing the point. What is the point that is being missed, as a matter of curiosity?

The offending entry:
''The entire show they went on and on about how Aang would have to kill Ozai. They devoted an entire episode telling him that saving the world comes with sacrifice. They even had Avatar Yangchen, a fellow Airbender, tell him that saving the world required [[ShootTheDog sacrificing the ideals he had been raised to believe in for the greater good]] and he himself is not immune to that just because he is the Avatar. Come the final battle and you expect him to do the deed, ending the problem once and for all, yes? No. Instead, he selfishly risks the safety of the world by using Soulbending to take away Ozai's bending, coming dangerously close to having it backfire on him.''

Taelor: I'm pretty sure that the point was that you should stand by your beliefs, rather than give into what others expect of you.

Anaheyla: That's the thing. It's all fine and good to stand up for what you believe in when the world is not in danger of being destroyed, but the middle of the FinalBattle is hardly a time to be having a crisis of conscience.

It was either "Let this incredibly dangerous man live because the Airbenders taught me that all life is sacred" or "Kill this man so the world can be safe". As pointed out, he's the Avatar so what he believes in means exactly jack squat where the safety of the world is concerned.

Instead of killing Ozai, he used Soulbending, having no idea if it would work, putting the world in danger.

Black Charizard: So you disagree with the moral of the finale on the grounds that it wasn't the moment. Fine, many other fans think so. But as polls and ratings of the episode show, most fans really liked it, so it doesn't really qualify as a WallBanger. You could make a case for it on BrokenAesop, or WallBangers/WesternAnimation if you want, but remember that the greater part of the fans don't have a problem with the Aesop, and many actually agree with how it was used.

WallBanger is a pretty dodgy trope anyway, so I'm not surprised that the debate finally spilled on TVTropes.

// later: Well, I went to the discussion page of BrokenAesop, and it looks like this example was already there, and it was pulled for not being really an example. So, tough luck.

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Anaheyla: The Lion Turtle was a ChekhovsGunman, yes? He was foreshadowed in Indiana Sokka and the Library of Doom.

There was never any indication that Aang was capable of taking away someone's bending previous to the Lion Turtle(and no, saying it was foreshadowed by virtue of being "Avatar stuff" does not count, even more so since it apparently pre-dates the Avatar). So my question is, does the Lion Turtle's foreshadowing justify claiming that Energybending was foreshadowed? If so, an explaination would be nice.

Patrick: While you are correct there was no indication that Aang could ''specifically'' strip someone of their bending, it seemed to ThisTroper a natural extension of Ty Lee's chi-blocking ability, and several statements ''since the first episode'' that bending flowed from life energy/chi. Perhaps this is a case of far too subtle foreshadowing. I would also argue the foreshadowing of the Lion Turtle counts, since it was the ''bearer'' of chi-bending.

Anaheyla: At no point was it ever even remotely hinted that it was possible to completely remove someone's bending, chi or no chi.

As for the Lion Turtle, I could foreshadow a mysterious person of mysteriousness who just happens to have a [[DeusExMachina "Beat-all-the-bad-guys-with-one-hit Stick"]] but that doesn't mean the stick was foreshadowed.

Patrick: Dude, you're splitting hairs. I could go on all day about how it seemed to be a natural extension of bending in general, and you say "At no point was it ever even remotely hinted that it was possible to completely remove someone's bending." I could bring up Ty Lee 's chi blocking and you insist it doesn't count because "at no point was it ever even remotely hinted that it was possible to ''completely'' remove someone's bending." I could suggest how it never needed to be to begin with and you'd give me the same argument. You will not except the idea unless it was spelled out in exacting detail at some point earlier in the series.

You clearly dislike this particular part of the series. You are entitled to your dislike. And I am done with this argument. You may have the final word if you wish.

Anaheyla:
Bending: Channeling your chi in order to manipulate the elements around you/make fire out thin air.
Energybending: Manipulating someone else's chi in order to completely remove someone's ability to bend. Something that just happens to come up when Aang was angsting over whether or not to kill Ozai. That's fortunate. :notrust

Ty Lee: Hit pressure points at a certain angle to block someone's access to chi.
Energybending: Hand on face, no more bending.

May well say that because firebenders can create fire they are capable of interstellar travel. Firebenders can fly using fire. Rocket ships fly using fire. The logic works!

If these things are foreshadowing, I'm Mary Queen of Scots.

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{{KJMackley}}: I did some clean-up. There were two redlinks to tropes claiming to be named by the show. I also took out BigLippedAlligatorMoment because it did not fit the trope, many people are just using the trope to label a scene they didn't like and ''The Great Divide'' is at worst a fan hated, stand alone episode. The trope is supposed to be a scene that wedges itself into '''the middle''' of the action without any bearing on the story, the first season was not very serialized.

I also took out RelationshipWritingFumble because the trope is when everything goes to a LastMinuteHookUp or PairTheSpares or in general the writers seem to not know who they are going to pair up. The Shippers may not have liked what happened but Aang and Katara was always hinted at from the beginning with Zuko and Katara only being an out of universe ShipTease, in universe it seemed more of a friendship then romantic.
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* TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong: One of the few times it's done right. Sokka is the complainer, but...
** It fits his personality.
** He's sometimes right.
** When he isn't, it's PlayedForLaughs.
** When he isn't complaining, he actually contributes to the team.
** He's a well rounded character, where this is just one of his traits.

Meaning... this trope is not used.
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{{Lale}}: Are these Crowning Moment polls permanent? When does the poll turn turn back into a legible, organized page? It's fun to vote, I guess, but harder to read.

WascallyWabbit: I believe they're permentant, as an attempt to redefine CMOA as a single incident per character.

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Cut caption because yes, it is a kids show and trying to deny that is plain foolish.

Not until kids' shows showing murder or premarital sex practically on-screen becomes the norm.