{{Wicked223}}: In other news, this show is now TropeOverdosed. [[SoCoolItsAwesome Which is as it should be.]]

Note from LooneyToons: This [the large number of trope examples] is what you get when you watch a show from the very beginning, taking notes on every trope you spot as you go.

SusanDavis: TwoTeacherSchool -- no, it isn't. Quite a few faculty members are prominently featured, one of whom is a main character, and unlike in the TwoTeacherSchool trope, we see classes being taught fairly frequently.

SusanDavis: both KilledOffForReal and DisneyDeath are listed. Other than the BigBad, who actually stays KilledOffForReal after the massive DisneyDeath {{retcon}}ning?

MorganWick: I didn't actually look at the article, let alone watch any of this, but if even the BigBad stays dead, that counts, right?

SusanDavis: "When a major character ''who is not a villain'' is killed...." (KilledOffForReal)

MorganWick: Come to think of it, villains ''are'' a lot more disposable than heroes... SoYouWereSaying?

LooneyToons: If I recall correctly, the KilledOffForReal comes from earlier episodes, when it looked like that was the case... I assembled the tropes list piecemeal after every episode I watched, and since the Disney Deaths all take place in the last few minutes of the last episode, the KilledOffForReal looked plausible.

Tulling: I was wondering: Which character would be the EmotionlessGirl? The RobotGirl could seem like that in the first appearances, but later it is shown that this is not the case. TheOjou might also qualify, but her facade cracks when under great pressure. Furthermore, I would like to remark that the upbeat finale seems so over-the-top that it might actually have been intended as a parody of overly happy endings.

BobII: Well, aside from the "HiME Rangers, Assemble" schtick, it all fit. It really did, after all, we'd been repeatedly, constantly beaten up emotionally for 25.5 episodes, it needed to be at least somewhat happy. I think the ending was great.

LooneyToons: At this late date I cannot remember who I pegged as the EmotionlessGirl. It might have been Miyu, in an earlier episode, but for the life of me I can't recall.

{{Sikon}}: Who is "Rei Ayanami with the serial numbers filed off"? Miyu?

LooneyToons: Yes. I wrote that description of her fairly early into watching the series on fansubs.

Tinweasel: Out of curiosity, does anyone else see ObfuscatingStupidity when comparing Midori's behavior before and after the end of episode 16?

Erebus : Is there a trope name for ridiculously exaggerated prudishness ? I barely watched the first few minutes of the very first episode and the scene on the boat where a girl prevents her brother from giving CPR to a girl who has stopped breathing is too stupid for words.

{{dkellis}}: In this case, it's more of jealousy than prudishness. And the show does point out how silly Shiho is being from time to time.

Erebus : Completely unappropriate jealousy, then. Seriously, the scene is absurd. The girl's not breathing, every second counts if she is to be revived and yet the boy is blushing as if performing CPR to save someone's life was his personal erotic fantasy, his sister physically stops him and, even though there's a large crowd around them, nobody but the heroine (who does not exactly jump to it) even tries to intervene. It happens quite often in anime series that (usually adolescent) characters are overwhelmed with embarrassment or overreact dramatically when confronted with situations that could, in other circumstances, have sexual connotations. It's mostly done for comedic effects, but once you've seen it a hundred times, you just don't find it funny anymore.

mzz: Um, she's not his sister. I think ClingyJealousGirl is the trope you're looking for here. And yes, it's over the top.

Gentlemen396: Some of the Tropes listed don't have any explanations in the relevant pages...?

{{Sikon}}: Who the heck is Shijo? You mean Shiho?

NeonProdigy: Would anyone else agree that the manga counts as {{DisContinuity}}?

{{Sikon}}: Given that the manga is AlternateContinuity, I can't see how it can even qualify for the status of DisContinuity.

HereticBishop: It's definitely {{Adaptation Decay}} though.

{{Sikon}}: Indeed.

AckSed: I'll add my name to the WallBanger list for that ending. What. The. Fuck? Just about the only ending I'd [[DisContinuity consider canon]] is Midori's - at least that made sense.

Winter: The ending is CLASSIC WallBanger. I mean, really? The superpowered superhero and her stack of friends (who were killed and reanimated for no reason--in-story or out--other than to torment the audience) can't kill the badguy... so the totally ordinary male lead has to come in and do it for them... really? REALLY?

curtmack: Am I the only one who found it odd that Shiho ended up being a HiME, after Mai and Mikoto bathed with her and didn't notice any HiME marks on her? Nor did Shiho recognize Mai's HiME mark?

KitsineNineTails: I added counter-arguments to the IdiotPlot Section. IMHO, {{IdiotPlot}}s should be reserved for when a character doesn't use knowledge or obvious information available to them at the time, or acts completely contrary to their character in such a way to derail the story. Here, cheesy ending or not, most of the mechanics of the story had actual foreshadowing and explanations directly retrieved from the show (i.e not {{Retcon}}'d or [[EpilepticTrees made from thin air]]), and there seemed to generally be somewhat sound reasoning behind character actions based on what they knew/were feeling at the time (especially given we're mostly talking about 16 year old girls here).

To respond to curtmack, I think the HiME symbol only appears when they get their powers, and I don't think Shiho was a HiME until she faced the orphan when Tate abandoned her.

To Winter, Tate didn't defeat the big bad IIRC. He merely delayed him enough so Mai could handle Mikoto and then face Reito (she even had to come to Tate's rescue, if I recall it right), Unless I REALLY remember things wrong, it was Mai and Kagutsuchi that ended it, not Tate. Not saying the whole HiME ranger ending wasn't incredibly cheesy, it was (and I think they could have handled it a lot more dramatically), but the rest of the storyline mostly had reasonable foreshadowing and lead up, IMHO. And could you have REALLY seen an ending where all of the characters stayed dead? Ouch.

Loltsundere: In response to Kitsune, while I think that the {{IdiotPlot}} counter-arguments are correct, it's starting to look a little like an {{Edit War}} over there. There are many many text-walls. I think the idiot plot debate would be better off in discussion instead of the main article.
And as an aside, since someone seemed confused about Natsuki's giant Duran in the end - Duran's size changed in proportion to Natsuki's {{character development}}. Until that point, Natsuki's important person had been her mother. Her love for her mother was distant and tragic, and as a result Duran was damn tiny compared to the other CHILDs. When the truth about her mother was revealed, she became disillusioned with her love for her mother, so she lost her ability to summon Duran and her Element. When she later realized that Shizuru was her most important person, realized just how much she cared for Shizuru, AND finally began to accept those feelings rather than supressing them, Duran's size reflected that. At the beginning of their last fight, Natsuki explained to Shizuru that the relationship of the CHILD's size is directly proportionate to the HiME's feelings toward their certain person - which is why Shizuru, misunderstanding her, replied with "You really hate me that much?" That was at least the way I saw it.

DT: I agree that we need to do something about that Idiot Plot debate, it's gotten ''way'' out of hand. Part of me thinks we should try to briefly summarise why some people think the series has an idiot plot, the other part of me thinks we should just axe that part entirely, as implementing the above idea could be kind of difficult. Really, this show has some serious plot holes, but it's by no means stupid, and personally I found I was too caught up in the emotional hook to care all that much. This show was meant to awe the audience with it's emotional impact, not the complexity of it's storyline.

As for Duran, I'd kind of thought that maybe Duran was linked to Shizuru all along and that his increased size just reflected that Natsuki had finally fully accepted those feelings. Though perhaps that doesn't fit quite so well with her not being able to summon Duran for a while after the reveal about what happened with her mother. The fact that Duran went back to being small again later is a bit of a plot hole, but that's probably another issue where it's best to just accept things and enjoy the story for what it is.

{{Jhiday}}: I've moved the horrible ConversationInTheMainPage monster that was the whole IdiotPlot entry to the ItJustBugsMe page. That's where it belongs. (And it allowed to nuke the spoiler tags, always a benefit.)

KitsuneNineTails: Yeah, I'm glad that got moved to a better home, too. I did feel bad starting a discussion on the main page, but I don't like outright removing other people's comments, even if I feel they need debate, and I'm a bit uncomfortable wholesale moving discussions myself, so I'm glad someone else did it. :)

To loltsundere and DT regarding Duran's size... I think it works out in context of Natsuki's feelings and all that, but I think the biggest "huh?" is why don't the other [=HiME=]'s childs change size based on their growing/fading feelings... Oh well, loved the series too much to [[MST3KMantra care too much.]]