Working Title: [=Name Change For Nightmare Fuel Unleaded:=] [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/discussion.php?id=1o2ps6n2ht14dfeoonlwhvqk&trope=HighOctaneNightmareFuel From YKTTW]]

BlackHoleBird: The {{Terminator}} picture isn't scary enough. I thought [[MemeticMutation this]] would be a nice complement to [[NightmareFuel the rabbit picture]].

{{Thebobmaster}}: Please, change it back. We had it on the Terminator picture because, while creepy enough to get the idea across, it didn't cause people to shut their eyes and quickly back out of the page from fear. Which is what the current picture is doing to me, at least.
*Apologies. I don't have the Terminator picture, I will put the smile picture on its [[LighterAndSofter tamer original]].
*KingClark: I've got a suggestion. What about [[http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/4481/original/Salad_Fingers___.jpg this?]]
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MrEtaoinShrdlu: Why this hasn't been immediately slammed onto DarthWiki, I don't know.
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{{Cameoflage}}: Speaking as a descriptivist, I think we should just have NightmareFuel, because, from what I've seen, most people expect HighOctaneNightmareFuel to be NightmareFuel [[TheSameButMore But More So]] based on the names and treat it accordingly, rather than making the intended distinction that that trope's for stuff that unintentionally scares kids and this one's for stuff that scares adults and may or may not be so on purpose. Also, I'm not sure the age group's a useful distinction anyways, since there's few or no examples on the subpages that ''only'' scare kids. If it's supposed to be only stuff ''targeted'' to kids... well, that rule's ''also'' been shattered into a bazillion pieces by now.

TheGunheart: The thought came to mind of someday just making a CrowningMomentOfScary to put the intentional examples under. That might help cut the page size down.

HighFive: Woah, what's the pic from?

ShadowQueen: That, my friend, is the Tails Doll made by Comick. It's the best thing for this page. After all, if the NightmareFuel page gets a picture, why not this page?

TheGuheart: Please, just no. All of the other images are still relatively tame, but that one is just...furthermore, it doesn't quite fit, as it's still a [[MemeticMutation mutation]] of a character from a ''children's'' game, whereas this page is meant for stuff from works aimed at adults. Can't we just have a nice creepy pic of Cameron from TheSarahConnerChronicles instead? Or a [[HalfLife zombine]]?
** ShadowQueen: *cough NOTABILITY cough*
*** TheGunheart: What are you ''on?''
*** I think the current {{Terminator}} picture is the definition of BadAss.

Squall: CrowningMomentOfScary should be the place where people list their all time frights in fiction, like Awesome and Funny are, whether or not it was intentional. NightmareFuel should be unintentional, and this one should be a supertrope of things from pop culture that effectively set horror tropes of their own (think MonsterClown, or BuriedAlive). Any protests to this simple standard?

{{Thebobmaster}}: GAH! What in the hell is the current page pic?! Is that from The Exorcist or something?

TheGunheart: I put up the endoskeleton rising from the flames. It's a "scary" pic, but not a ''OMGWHATTHEHELLISTHAT!?!?'' pic. Plus, the scene it's from was inspired by an actual nightmare of James Cameron that started the whole series (though the caption is up for grabs).

TheGunheart: A Higurashi image? That works. Creepy, but not the kind that would make you close the window with a knee-jerk reaction. I like it.
* It's cute <3. And creepy. I LIKE IT!

Lincoln: The endoskeleton is fine, a just though I'd choose something tame instead of something actually terrifying...like this: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Yume_Nikki_AH.jpg

Sadron: Whilie I love that pic to death we already have a pic of Monoko from Yume Nikki in the body horror trope. Though it's a lot cuter than that pic.

{{Mandrke}}: How about Fansadox BDSM stories, just the descriptions will make me loose sleep for a month! - NC17 to all you wanks (possible Gorn)

A random person: The current Terminator picture is fine. Somewhat creepy, describes scary things aimed at adults, but not horribly crap-your-pants scary, as opposed to [[UnstoppableRage THAT GODDAMN TAILS DOLL!!!!!! I'LL KILL YOU SHADOWQUEEN!!!!!]]

ShadowQueen: >:3

ManWithoutABody: See, the thing is, anything that is a genuine example would be too creepy to put as a picture. Also, this is so big a trope that putting up a picture seems to say "This is the MostTriumphantExample, hands down," and invites fandom warfare. Which is exactly what happened to the MagnificentBastard page. I, for one, don't find the ''Terminator'' picture very scary at all. Perhaps it would be better if this article had no picture at all. Either that, or if we got [[TheLeagueOfGentlemen Papa Lazarou]] in his [[BadSanta Santa suit]]. UPDATE: That's now on the Live Action TV page. Nobody minds?

Someone seems to have left detritus for a HONF entry on {{Priest}} at the bottom of this main HONF page. Cleansing now. ~Charlatan

GreatPikminFan: What is that picture just above? It's apperently named "YumeNikki AH". Unless it's fanart, that would give me ''another'' reason to stay far, far away from that game.

MexWolf: ManWithoutABody may be right, but I think you're missing something. HighOctaneNightmareFuel isn't just a visual trope, but a general one. I think we should put up something that's only really scary in action (Might I suggest a [[HalfLife fast zombie?]]
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{{TsundeRay}}: ''[-(crossposting from NightmareFuelDiscussion)-]'' So we have NightmareFuel for unintentionally scary works for kids, and HighOctaneNightmareFuel for intentionally scary works for adults. But where do intentionally scary works for kids or unintentionally scary adult works go? The hell between NightmareFuel and HighOctaneNightmareFuel?
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{{DalesKaine}}: Uhm, this troper...want the termninator picture back. I found the current picture to be a bit...... unsettling.

ARandomSerf: Wazzit from?

{{owh}}: I don't know either, but I'm inclined to agree. It looks like a demonic wolf, perhaps from Resident Evil or something like that. It links to MindRape instead of a show/movie/whatever that would give it more context, and so I'm not really sure it's a great choice. One more vote for three?
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{{DalesKaine}}: For the HONF title image, how about a Holocaust related picture? I think it would suit well.

TheGunheart: Maybe for RealLife, but the main image should be from a work of fiction. This is TVTropes, after all. The Terminator pick is fine: it's from a work that isn't meant for kids, won't cause readers to ''avoid'' the page, and was inspired by an actual nightmare.

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TheNoun: I was wondering... the current picture just really isn't frightening at all. Seriously, while the reddish smile-dog-thing was horrible, the more realistic looking dog didn't make this troper scream, close the laptop, and dash out of the room. So why did we get rid of it? I was also kinda considering maybe using [[http://www.myextralife.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/spider-hell.jpg this]] instead, since it's not pants-shittingly terrifying but still scarier than the Terminator.

{{owh}}: Most tropers aren't clicking on the link are not really expecting something to make them piss their pants. I haven't clicked your link but given the file name I'd advise against it. A lot of tropers (this one included) are arachnophobic. It's why attempts to put a picture on GiantSpider were thankfully edited away until one simply was hotlinked in the description instead. Basically, this is a Wiki, not a YumeNikki, so please keep your fellow tropers at heart. We don't want anybody throwing a beer through their monitor.

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{{Yuvalescent}}: Thank you for not having Smiledog on the main page anymore. That is all. D:

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Random Contributor: I'm personally glad to see the Terminator pic. Granted, it's not that scary (far less scary than that creepy pedo bunny on the normal Nightmare Fuel page), but it doesn't make me want to head for the hills. Like how the old picture for the Eye Scream page made me avoid said page for about five months.

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Lipwig: We're getting a little generous with the separate pages, aren't we? The pages for Monster and Neon Genesis Evangelion have plenty of material, yeah, but last time I checked, the one for IT has about four examples, while the one for Mirai Nikki has one. Any chance we can merge these two back into the main Anime and Literature articles and get some clear guidelines on when/when not to make a new page?

owh: I wouldn't complain. We're probably going to see more pages in the future because of immigrants from NightmareFuel which just got a massive clean-up recently. The Alien Nine page is pretty half-hearted, too. Something about those anime fans, I guess.

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There was a link to an interactive video featuring a doll that would do a variety of extremely disturbing things on the artist's web page that is now gone, or I at least can't find it. Does anyone know where it is?

TheNoun: You can find it [[http://www.vansowerwine.com/installation/playwithmeint.htm here.]]

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Okay, am I the only one who has a problem with "Nightmare Fuel Unleaded" being an alternative name for "High Octane Nightmare Fuel?" I mean, HONF makes sense, since high octane generally means (at least marginally) better performance; unleaded fuel, on the other hand, has few if any benefits over leaded fuel other than being less polluting. In fact, leaded fuel was actually invented ''because'' lead-based additives improved performance, and the switch to unleaded (i.e., using non-lead-based additives with similar effects) was wholly motivated by health concerns. I can't be the only one bothered by this, right? [[ViewersAreMorons Are people really just that uninformed?]]

{{owh}}: It's a legacy thing. This page started as Unleaded and had it's name changed. Old wiki words that forward to here are still around. See the YKTTW at the top of this discussion.