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{{Gus}}: ''[[foldercontrol]]

[[folder: Not Cool! ]]
''... I just zapped an edit to this. It was from someone who signed as 'joss'. It used the phrase "I did not entend ..." It had all sorts of spelling and other grammar errors. In spite of these indicators, I checked the url. Someone in Nova Scotia thinks we will believe stuff we hadn't better ought to. Just completely, entirely uncool. Blocked the IP? Absolutely.

{{Kizor}}: High five!

{{Gus}} Five back! I am still steamed about this. I want to do that thing from the View Askew movie where you track the sucker down and smack him upside his pimply, basement-dwelling face.

{{Seth}}: Hums *How many people wanna kick some ass*

{{Gus}}: Hums with Seth. Just for the record ... ''how to put this'' ... People from the late and lamented MutantEnemy bullpen ''do'' post here. Anonymously. 'Cuz people can be frackin' weird.

LooneyToons:

Oh, and Gus? Check out [[http://www.ip-adress.com/ this link]] if you want to find Mister Illiterate Nova Scotian to at least within a mile or so. I'd do it myself but you zapped so thoroughly that there isn't even a record of it.

{{Gus}}: Actually, I use a [[http://www.location.com.my/ service]] that is even more precise, down to which MAC in the house is posting. I am keeping my eye on a certain house on Lindsey Lane in Halifax, NS. Not that ip-address is not entirely cool. Also, yeah. I zapped that sucker completely. Didn't want that crap on the disk.

//Later: I am ''still'' mad about this. I am about to go Kendra on this dude. "[[/folder]]

[[folder: Fake me? Fake YOU! Fake me again, motherfaker, and I will ''cut'' you. ]]
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LooneyToons: Your service is cool, but it makes out my location to be about 75 miles to the SSE from where I actually am... Then again, there are inherent difficulties in mapping realworld locations to IP addresses... Though I recently heard that our government (USA, that is), in all its benevolent wisdom, is working hard on that problem.

BTTheP: It's closer for me, but my town is probably smaller than yours.

LooneyToons: Well, I'm at work (now and when I wrote that); I suppose what it's reporting is the facility that provides our T1 or something.

{{Gus}}: Yup. It (maxmind) is giving the location of your ISP's point-of-presence in the free sample. The pay queries are a lot tighter than that, for certain ISPs. Accuracy is pretty low outside North America, though. I haven't been tracking what the US gov is up to around ip-location. It must be fun for them, that there five times as many IP's in America than there are Americans.

LooneyToons: But duty calls, else how can they properly protect us from The Vaguely Defined Terrorist Threat (TM)?
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{{Gus}}: [[http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72263-0.html FYI]]

Kizor: WTFFFFF
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joss: Thanks, Gus, 'cuz I am a big-deal, busy-guy Creator, I would never misspell entinded, uhm, intandant ... that word. I am all about the words.

{{Janitor}}: IP checks out. Holy shit, we've been jossed!

{{Gus}}: There goes the bandwidth budget. You're welcome, and ... throw us a crumb on ''Wonder Woman''. Inquiring minds are inquisitive.

{{joss}}: What's with the bracket things. Nevermind, forget I asked. As for your question, Buffy Season 8, the comic, is going great. Thanks for asking. I kid. This is me, with the kidding. WW re-writes are winding down. There is pre-casting, casting, and stuff about casting going on. We are pretty sure Wonder Woman should be played by a female actress. Probably. Except for maybe in the stunt sequences...

Yeah! Buffy Season 8, the comic, is going gangbusters!

LooneyToons: Count me among those who think a female actress is far preferable to a male actress. In the mean time, I will look forward to future announcements in the various trade papers and sites. As for the brackets, forget I answered, but they set up a link to another Wiki page, either extant or potential -- you don't need to bracket your name unless you want to set up a {{Contributors}} entry for yourself. And if you do want to, well, I doubt there's anyone here who will object.

{{joss}}: I have been cruising through this thing you guys have built. I had heard about it from some writer-types, from time to time, but had no idea, really, what it had become. Go ahead and get all ego-bloated and difficult to deal with, as long as you keep delivering the goods.

Special note for Looney Tunes: I don't know. Some of your male actresses can be kind of ... cute.

Not to me. That was a general observation thing.

{{YYZ}}: "Male actresses?" What, like DiCaprio and such?

{{Gus}}: I think Joss is gone. Here is a recap of the visit: Wonder Woman will be played by a woman. Probably. He likes us. He could go either way on the actress/actor thing. Joss may be the most non-committal animal on all of planet Earth. Except for the "He likes us." thing.

That came out unqualified.

{{joss}}: Nothing ever goes away here, does it? See, the world is all about Goners and Runaways. That Wonder Woman stuff is _so_ last month.

FastEddie: IP Address? Completely frackin' wrong. What is with these pseudos?

Dear Lame Person,

We know that you are in a really small town in Kentucky and wish you were Joss Whedon. You have our sympathies.

Lurves-n-smootchies,
The Wiki.

{{HeartBurn Kid}}: As awesome cool as your geolocation deal-y is, you might want to rethink relying on it for bans. I mean, I'm not saying this guy's Joss or anything, but that location.com.my site says I'm posting from Herndon, VA. And ip-address.com puts me just outside of Wichita, KS. I've never even ''been'' to Virginia ''or'' Kansas (or any state besides California and Nevada).

FastEddie: The pay-service says for you: Mira Loma, off Trail Canyon. How do you like me now? ;-) // later: OK. That reads as kinda creepy, later on. We only do the IP check when people are declaring some kind of authority, because we distrust authority on first principles. By "we" I mean FastEddie, on behalf of authority-distrusters everywhere.

{{Tanto}}: Ah, but in speaking on behalf of other people are you not actually assuming authority? :-)

FastEddie: XD !!

No, I am assuming a power, which is entirely about responsibility, not authority.
-->I shall not use my blocking and geo-location powers against any, save those who claim to be who they are not, and those who consistently refuse to run the frackin' spell-checker.

This is the Admin Creed.

{{HeartBurn Kid}}: Ah, c'mon, Eddie, you can give out the street I "live on", but I can't show you you're wrong? I didn't even put my address on that map, just the city...

FastEddie: Locking problem, HeartBurn, I didn't stomp your post on purpose. OK, you got me by a few miles. I am still not going to swap Kentucky for the Palisades, you feel me?
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{{Meocross}}: wow.... this series is only '''12 freaking episodes''' yet i see it on almost every trope i stumble on. what is in this show? o_O

FastEddie: Everything good.

LooneyToons: What he said.
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LooneyToons: Snipped

* HypeAversion (It's probably heresy here, but ''"Too good for this world"'' (see below)? Come on, [[MST3KMantra it was just a TV show]]... that dressed the chief bad-guys in stylish, sinister, bad-ass... [[{{Narm}} blue rubber gloves]] ).

Yes, Mercy, we get it, you don't like the show. Thank you. Now go play somewhere else.
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{{Mercy}}: Oh, I'm sorry Loonytunes. I must have missed the sign on the entrance reading "Only people who think Firefly was totally perfect, without flaw, and beyond criticism may post here". I don't especially dislike ''Firefly'', and I enjoyed ''Serenity'', but I think the TV series is severely over-hyped by its fans. I mean, "Too Good For This Sinful Earth"? Come ''on!''

You don't have to like Firefly. It's just that, since you seem to be the only one who dislikes it and gives a hoot, it'd be nice if you didn't add tropes based solely on the fact you (and only you) don't like it. Take it to Darth Wiki. It's what "Complaining about shows you don't like" was made to prevent.
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ShadowWarden: Cut this:

* TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth (The show itself, honestly. This cannot be stressed enough: The good die young.)

Because if {{Mercy}} doesn't get to add tropes based on him disliking the show, we can't add tropes purporting it as the best thing ever. I myself love the show, and consider it {{JossWhedon}}'s magnum opus; but not everyone agrees with that assessment, and not everyone worships JossWhedon as a god. The entry is TropeOverdosed already - I think people will somehow get the ''point'' that it's well-liked amongst the troping crowd, especially with TooGoodToLast thrown in.

Besides, TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth is taking it a step too far. Seriously.
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{{Ununnilium}}: "semi-subverted in that River is frequently a danger to the other characters" This is NotASubversion.

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{{Forthur}}: Removed "''The first three shots she'd ever taken in in combat in her life''" from AwesomenessByAnalysis as this is by no means certain - she still won't tell what they did to her at the academy.

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{{Fighteer}}: Please stop removing the BigDamnHeroes quote. {{Firefly}} is the friggin' TropeNamer, so if any quote belongs, this one does.

UnknownTroper: Agreed. Its sat up there for so long, the article feels...''wrong'' without it, too.

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{{Taelor}}: Wait, Saffron as a CompleteMonster? Sure, she's evil, but she's also far to entertaining for CompleteMonster status.

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{{Discar}}: I've got a suggestion for a new page quote. Whether it is in addition or as a replacement is up to everyone else, but I thought Jayne's line in ''The Train Job'' ("Time for some thrilling heroics") would be a great quote. The only reason I didn't just put it up is because that would kind of be pushing it, since there are already a good number up there.

{{Fighteer}}: We have a Quotes namespace for this sort of thing. If you're itching to add all of your favorite lines, put 'em there.

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TParadox: This just got cut:
* DoubleStandard: Kaylee is far from a bad person, but she doesn't treat Simon anywhere NEAR considerately. He's gone from wealthy doctor to penniless fugitive medic, who needs to keep constant watch on his brain-damaged sister, and she's constantly annoyed at him for ''his bad pickup lines''? If roles were reversed, people would be howling for Simon's blood.

True, it's not actually an example of DoubleStandard, but it's a good point and should be included if it ''is'' a trope.

{{Fighteer}}: First, new discussion goes at the end. Second, I'd just lump this into MoralDissonance on the part of Kaylee, or call her a JerkAss to Simon and be done with it.

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{{Dangermike}}: WTF is up with Jayne being called a KavorkaMan? The only times Jayne got laid were in a whorehouse, and when he was a national hero. Plus all the stuff about him actually being good looking etc. Someone didn't read the trope description ''again''.

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UnknownTroper: Pulled the UnfortunateImplications entry. Only ''one'' Asian character in the entire series comes off as a villain, and that's Ott in the comic books. That also leaves out the fact that there are literally a dozen ''white'' villains in the series as well, and several black ones. It's simply EqualOpportunityEvil in action. And while they ''are'' shown barbequeing dogs in the pilot, that actually ''does'' happen in Asia. Unless we're going to start calling any scene that shows an actual aspect of the society of a particular culture an UnfortunateImplication, that doesn't belong.

{{Mercy}}: While it was not I that made (or restored) the UnfortunateImplications entry, I do think it belongs. The fact that Whedon went out of his way to make "Chinese-ness", or whatever you want to call it, a big deal in Firefly, but then chose not to give ''one single'' Asian actor any lines, and chose to depict even background Asian extras doing very stereotyped things (dressing as ninjas, cooking dog etc.), is an issue. Suppose he had relegated all black characters to the background and then only depicted them running stalls selling watermelons and eating fried chicken, what would the audience reaction have been?

UnknownTroper: Except that's ''one scene'' in the ''unaired pilot'' of a series that got canceled ''halfway through it's first season,'' and said scene takes place in a spaceport docking complex that's showing about fifty different cultures smashing together headlong in a giant crossroads-like marketplace. I really don't think it applies, here.

{{Mercy}}: The whole "Chinese stuff is cool, so I'll appropriate it to add future-y flavour, but I won't cast Asian actors" thing applies to the entire series, ''and'' the movie too, so Whedon obviously didn't feel any need to make an AuthorsSavingThrow. And offensive stereotypes don't become less so by only being included once. And so what if Firefly was cancelled half-way through the first season? One can only judge an work, or an artist, by what one sees, not by what one imagines one ''might'' have seen. I think the issue is real, and I don't think we should let Joss Whedon's ''undoubted'' talents persuade us to give him a free pass.

{{Dark}}: Mercy, would the trope you're looking for be LeastCommonSkinTone? UnfortunateImplications doesn't really seem to apply here - the only "bad" things we see Asians do is cooking dogs for all of ''five seconds'' on-screen (which to some is seemingly abhorrent, but to play devil's advocate here, what makes them a completely non-valid food source?). The complete absence of Asians in the case is more LeastCommonSkinTone.
Along with that, if you're saying we've got some racial stereotypes that apply exclusively to Asians, I'll just point out the backwoods, overly-religious hicks in "Safe", which are totally ''not at all'' meant to be hillbillies, or the Russian-sounding Aldelei Niska being a ''crime boss''. Yes, the '''only''' Russian we see is heavily involved in organized crime.
Point is, either apply it to none of the racial/cultural groups that are portrayed, or apply it to all. Don't just pick on the one that you notice.

{{Mercy}}: You make a fair point about the Niska thing. And yes, LeastCommonSkinTone certainly applies. Of course the casting choices that excluded Asian actors do have UnfortunateImplications, but maybe that's more a reflection on ''our'' world than the world of Firefly.

{{Dark}}: That's a whole 'nother ball of wax regarding the casting choices, but for purposes of this, I added in LeastCommonSkinTone and removed UnfortunateImplications. I guess this little matter is closed. Feel free to edit the LeastCommonSkinTone entry I put in to re-work it or whatever.