{{Random832}}: Incorrect is not the same as crazy - in what way is, for example, "snape is a vampire" crazy, apart from the fact that he's not a vampire? Up until [[WordOfGod the author said]] that he's definitely not, it was a completely plausible theory, and the bat imagery surrounding him has yet to be otherwise explained.

{{Ununnilium}}: ...no, Snape being a vampire is crazy because absolutely nothing in the books suggests he's a vampire. What bat imagery? >>

{{Seth}}: With some stories unless it is explicitly ruled out pretty much anything is plausable. I wouldnt be surprised if somehow in the last book you find out Voldermort is Harry's real father because its just the kind of thing Rowling would do.
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LooneyToons: Ununnilium, as I recall there're explicit comments here and there in the books by ''characters'' that Snape's black robes look like bat wings at times, and I do recall at least one (probably tongue-in-cheek) speculation (by Ron, I believe) that Snape was actually a vampire, based on his pasty complexion and his tendency to stay in the Hogwart's dungeons at all times.

Random832: Right - just because JKR _says_ "there's nothing in the canon that supports that" doesn't mean it's true - there's plenty that supports it, it just happens to be false. A possible alternate explanation for the bat imagery could be, of course, an animagus form, but we're not really talking about Harry Potter anyway - I was using it as an example of the difference between EpilepticTrees and a plausible theory that simply doesn't turn out to be correct. EDIT: oops

{{Ununnilium}}: Eh, it's still not especially plausible. "Like bat wings" isn't an especially uncommon description of a long black cloak on an antagonist, and Ron's speculation was part of a series of EpilepticTrees theories the kids were throwing up in-character.

Anyway, there's a difference, even if we don't agree on which side of the line the "vampire Snape" theory falls. It's about evidence, primarily.

{{Random832}}: I think another, perhaps more important difference - and when I think about it probably actually what bugged me is - Snape as vampire (and many harry potter theories) don't try to explain anything - they take things that might or might not be meant as hints, and speculate on future directions the story might take - _not_ explanations to account for "current events".

{{Ununnilium}}: This is true - Snape being a vampire wouldn't really affect the plot, whereas, if the curtain Sirius fell through was a portal to Narnia and he couldn't get back because the White Witch had turned him into a stature, it would.

MisterSix: Just to go back to the original point: is the possibility of Snape being a vampire genuinely crazy considering it's set in a world with murderous trees, werewolves and dragons? I think not. "Snape is a unicorn disguised as a human" ''would'' be crazy, but as someone up there points out, even the characters speculate that he might be a vampire. This is in a different (much less crazy) league to saying that Lost's trees are 'epileptic' or that Harry's mum is an owl.

{{Ununnilium}}: It doesn't have to be something totally impossible, it just has to be a weird, unlikely explanation.

{{Pro-Mole}}: Given how J.K. writes, almost nothing is impossible. About the whole "vampire Snape" subject, a few comments, one leading to the other:\\
1) J.K. has the, IMHO, bad habit of inserting twists whenever she can. The basic structure of a RowlingTwist(goes as a good trope name, huh?) is: the author speculates(by impressions) and the characters speculates, thus it is wrong. Sometimes it goes pretty well, sometimes seems pretty like AssPull.\\
2) And that's why it is impossible for Snape to be a vampire: Rowling had given the clues, and even characters have gotten them, thus it simply ''can't'' be truth.\\
Thansk for reading. if you didn't, your mental health thanks you.
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MisterSix: ...epileptic trees? What... what does that even ''mean?''

{{Ununnilium}}: Trees with epilepsy. I'm surprised you haven't heard of this dreadful affliction, affecting over 15 thousand saplings every year.

MisterSix: Dude (or dudette), seriously. Please explain it because it's gnawing away at my mind.

{{Kizor}}: 'kay. The trope is named after a cheerfully insane theory on the nature of the monster in ''Lost'', which went unseen for a good long time and was depicted with gruesome roars and the swaying of trees in the jungle. (I lost interest before I found out what it actually was.)

{{HeartBurn Kid}}: I don't think they ever did reveal what it was. The island still has a lot of mysteries to it.

SpaceAce: OK, in the vein of the ''{{Lost}}'' RedShirt dissing:

-->'''Kirk''': EpilepticTrees. You ever watch Lost?
-->'''Spock''': I have not.
-->'''Kirk''': The trees that would shake on the island with the main guys on it -- the survivors of the plane crash? They always shook and the show never explained why.
-->'''Spock''': Yes?
-->'''Kirk''': Yeah.
-->'''Spock''': Sounds like urinarily-inadequate writing.

{{Janitor}}: See? Because the trees shook and flailed about, like ...

O, Jeez. I'm explaining a joke. Micturition deficit syndrome.

LooneyToons: Oh. And here I'm just thinking he's saying the writing is piss-poor...

Anonymous: Is it just me, or is the name of this trope utterly useless and in need of being replaced with a more intuitive one? I still have to check this page about 1 out of every 3 times I see this trope referenced on another page because I still can't remember what these utterly random words mean in conjunction with each other. ''Lost'' is extremely popular, but naming a trope after the whimsical speculation of one small wing of its fandom is a bit too far considering how much it crops up.

FastEddie: Yeah. It's just you.
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{{Fly}}: The YuGiOhGX example doesn't seem too crazy to me, considering they were, essentially, married for a day.
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{{Ununnilium}}: Taking out "If they become detailed and popular enough, it leads to WildMassGuessing." WildMassGuessing is just a page on this wiki made so that the tropers can post their own fun, fanonical theories. It's not a term for a specific kind of theory.
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FastEddie: pulling ...
-->Judging from the list below, one of the most common is contriving a LukeIAmYourFather.
... as it is dealt with better at {{WMG}}, and it was stepping on the punchline.

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Hmm. There is an odd use of the term DoubleStandard in the last few examples. Clarification?

LexiDizzle: People argue that the evidence that Shakespeare actually wrote Shakespeare is shaky and circumstantial at best, and claim that his works were really written by Marlowe or Bacon, for example, using equally (some would say more) dubious evidence to support their claim. DoubleStandard

FastEddie: Ah. The confusion is that the linked trope DoubleStandard is specific to the issue important to feminists. No biggy, making it non-linked fixes it.

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Does anyone know where exactly the "trees on Lost are epileptic" theory first came up? Like, a message board, a review site, or what?

FastEddie: It first appeared on TelevisionWithoutPity.

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{{Tanto}}: ''{{Naruto}}'' spoilers for the week of 4/10/08: [[spoiler:Goddammit, Kishimoto fucking ''caved''. He better have a damn good explanation for this.]]

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"This Troper knows several people who've played roles on Springer. This tree isn't epileptic."

I thought, that tree's epilepsy was quite different - i.e. someone believed it's all ''real''.

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{{Kizor}}: Wiki schizophrenia. Useless unless cleaned up. I'm tired.

FastEddie: I'll just move it over to WildMassGuessing
Shakespeare discussion
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Ninjacrat: And ''re''-pulling:
** By the very nature of these games, the Dungeon Master can confirm or deny any such wild theory, even if they've been {{Jossed}}.
because A: the media under discussion is the game books, not what happens around the table, B: 'we can make stuff up lol' is not a very unique claim (fanfic?) and C: I can't help hearing it in the Simpson's Comic Book Shop Guy voice.

{{Ununnilium}}: Thanks for specifying why, this time. `.`v

And there's a crucial difference here, IMHO. Unlike a TV show, unlike a movie, unlike a comic strip or novel or one-act play, the whole point of an RPG is that ''you'' are the one creating the story. Even if there's a greater canon in the game books -- which, note, there isn't always -- you can freely throw that out, and yet still be said to be playing the same game as everyone else. It's a feature of the medium.

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{{Shale}} Yanked this from the Face of Boe bit:

-->And recently disowned by the producers of ''Torchwood'' as a RedHerring. Not only was it mentioned in the Doctor Who series that the Face of Boe was the last of Boekind (implying a whole race), according to Torchwood's second season ("Adam", episode 05) Jack grew up in the 51st century on the Boeshane peninsula.

The Boeshane Peninsula thing was mentioned in the original reveal, SoYeah...

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CharredKnight: Given that this is the equivalent of FridgeLogic, I deleted all examples to match FridgeLogic.

Prfnoff: Restored (by someone else). I vote for keeping the examples.

CharredKnight: Since I prefer to have important desicions like this in YKTTW I added it their. I just want to know why the hell you would treat two pages that serve the same purpose differently.

{{Ununnilium}}: ...how is this the equivalent of FridgeLogic? O.o

CharredKnight: I said that under the assumption that FridgeLogic was supposed to be a page dedicated to explaining what the hell ItJustBugsMe was, just like how EpilepticTrees was a page dedicated to explaining what the hell WildMassGuessing is. Later I discovered that since ItJustBugsMe was horribly named and no one had taken care of it, the place now no longer has anything to do with FridgeLogic, it's simply a place to ask questions about a series. Oh, and in case your wondering I am not making fun of Janitor, I am simply making fun of everyone on this wiki.
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{{Ununnilium}}:
* For that matter, far too many to count, like 911 conspiracy theories, or man not landing on the moon, or Barrack Obama being a Muslim, or...

Yeah, don't stuff a bunch of examples into one with no details.

**The forums are also home to many threads wondering if the strip will convert to 4th Edition. The general consensus: It's doubtful it could even ''exist'' in 4th Edition.
***The Giant has stated clearly on the (not often read) news page that it won't convert, but that he may include some 4e references from time to time. To quote the Giant: "If it really bothers anyone, simply imagine that the OOTS world follows someone’s homebrewed hybridization of 3.5 and 4th Editions, using bits and pieces from whichever ruleset they think works better."
****One sign of this is found in the reference to power sources (a big factor in class design in 4th Edition) in [[http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0558.html this strip.]]

Gone all ThreadMode-y, and not really relevant in the first place.
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FastEddie: The Eve thing got big enough for its own WildMassGuessing page.

//later: This seems to need more discussion...
* Whenever a wrestler disappears for a while, and comes back with a different look, some fan who's entirely too clever for their own good starts spouting about how the original wrestler must have died or left the business, and this is "obviously" someone else doing the same gimmick. To this editor's knowledge, this is never actually true. If any of you are reading this, yes, that means that there was only one Undertaker and one Ultimate Warrior and one Kane ever. Seriously. You're making yourselves look ridiculous by insisting otherwise.
** Actually, some heavily masked wrestlers have indeed by replaced before. Most notable is Doink The Clown, who was embodied by no less than four people. True to form for pro-wrestling, not all of them have survived to this day - although none of the replacements were due to death or those involved leaving the business (usually they just went to {{WCW}}).

{{HeartBurn Kid}}: OK, so I forgot a couple. I'll go ahead and add it back with a caveat.
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{{Pro-Mole}}:Just a wee comment on what seems to be someone's comment inside an example:

"Apparently, they've never actually tried to stop the Internet from doing something"

Why would them, anyway? Could anyone be so idiotic as to do that? (Rethorical question; I do live in Brazil, you know...)

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{{Randallw}}: May I just say when I was reading ''Making Money'' I leapt on the fact that the Patrician said Mr Bent was a model citizen to take it he was a Golem.

{{Ununnilium}}: Hah, neat.
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{{Ununnilium}}: So why were the {{Shakespeare}} theories pulled out?

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{{Semiapies}}: Under Endor Holocaust: "A recent issue of WIRED claims that this was done specifically in response to the fan theories" Nothing indicates what "this" refers to.

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Nezumi: Fast Eddie, I know you ''meant'' well, but by nuking the ''entire'' contents of the examples section, you also removed some in-fiction examples that, by definition, don't belong in Wild Mass Guessing. These should either be restored, or relocated to an appropriate new trope.

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* All the regular theories for ''SailorMoon'' must have run out since it first premiered in 1992. Now we have "the senshi are goddesses" and "Guardian Cosmos is Chaos". Don't forget the madness back in the day about Haruka being a hermaphrodite because of Michiru's unfortunate metaphor ("Haruka has both male and female qualities") in the Infinity manga. Oh, and the infamous "Prince Uranus."
** The tree of "[[CrystalSpiresAndTogas Crystal Tokyo]] as a KnightTemplar {{dystopia}} engineered by Sailor Pluto" is a big {{FanFic}} topic recently.
* One minor line in the ''{{Pokemon}}'' musical about Ash's mother and Giovanni once dating has led to a practically impossible but popular assumption that Giovanni is Ash's father.
** [[LukeIAmYourFather "Ash, I am your father!"]]
** We also have all the theories as to what ''really'' made Brock run away from Professor Ivy's laboratory. From abuse to rape to mere heartbreak to being a Ditto-based clone.
** Not to mention that since the Pokemon canon has not only hundreds of different legends and mythology cycles, but several interpretations/retellings of each (mainly due to the anime contradicting the games and manga at every turn), some pretty wacky theories have cropped up...
* There's also the "Bloodline of the Tengu" theory in ''{{Naruto}}'' which states that the Uchiha bloodline was born when a Hyuuga woman slept with an actual Tengu. This theory is rabidly defended by some despite the fact that Tengus only exist as decorative statues in the series.
**There's another theory the Uchia bloodline comes from the Kyuubi, as in folktales kitsune often transform into women and sometimes bare human children.
** Naruto is (or better has been) a garden of ETs, concerning questions as 'Who is narutos father?', 'Who is the leader of Akatsuki?' 'How evil is Itachi?', 'Who is Tobi/Madara Uchiha/the Fourth Hokage...?' and so on.
* Several characters in ''WelcomeToTheNHK'' muse EpilepticTrees, most notably, the protagonist' theory that the NHK channel, alongside the Japanese media, are conspiring to keep him and people like him as unemployed, uneducated ''{{hikikomori}}''. Why? That's not the point, it's a conspiracy, has to be!
* One Word: [[AzumangaDaioh Osaka]]. Not the place. The character. More specifically, her theories revolving around Chiyo-chan, especially when it comes to the pigtails.
* ''SuzumiyaHaruhi'' has three different groups with competing theories on who or what Haruhi is. ''Don't even get started'' on fan theories on what Kyon is, who is supposed to be a {{Muggle}} but seems... off.
* The {{Nasuverse}}. If you do not understand the implications of that, go [[http://nrvnqsr.proboards20.com/index.cgi?board=general here]], and look around at the past 1,500+ topics/50,000+ posts debating its specificities.
* MahouSenseiNegima has it's fair share of these, most revolving around the identity of Negi's mother. [[spoiler:Asuna's past]], and the future disaster that [[spoiler:Chao]] tries to prevent are also breeding grounds for EpilepticTrees. The most well known theory is that the Magical World is Mars (based on the map being based on an upside down version of Mars). See the WildMassGuessing page for details.
**There is also a theory out there, started by prominent Negima blogger AstroNerdBoy, that Negi ''isn't'' Nagi's son, but rather Nagi himself, changed similar how Fate [[spoiler:became smaller]].
* Although it does not spark flame wars, there still remains the issue of explaining Gemini Saga's evil side in ''SaintSeiya''. The manga ''slightly'' implies [[spoiler:he had been possessed by Hades due to the eye and hair colors of his and Shun's evil sides]], while the anime hinted that [[spoiler:Ares, a god that otherwise went unmentioned]] was to blame. Lastly, some feel he had split-personality disorder, or simply committed amoral acts [[NecessaryEvil out of fear Athena would not prepare the Saints for battle against Hades.]]
*''YokohamaKaidashiKikou'' has a ''butt-load'' of questions with almost no answers. Though most fans prefer to leave the mysteries alone, there's a small part of the [[FanDumb fandom]] who apparently thought what they ''really'' were reading was ''Neon Genesis Evangelion'' crossed with ''Lost''.
* And speaking of ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'', this pretty much ''is'' to anime as to what ''Lost'' is to live-action.
* There were many people convinced that Zeon, the [[EvilTwin Evil Twin character]] of ''ZatchBell'', was actually Zatch's hatred personified and given form, since he couldn't possibly be that good. [[GeckoEnding The anime's inconclusive ending didn't help matters]], [[spoiler: but the manga eventually [[WordOfGod settled the issue]]: Zeon is literally Zatch's evil twin]].
**Not hard to understand, considering their power is both lightning, but split into positive and negative voltage/personality.
* Several theories have sprung up about the various mysteries surrounding ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds}}'', specifically who has Ruka's Ancient Fairy Dragon, who the fifth Signer is, what the deal is with [[spoiler: Godwin's metallic arm]], exactly how far into the future the show is, and how Ushio (a character from the first part of the ''[[{{Yu-Gi-Oh}} original series']] manga'') could be in the show.
**Ushio doesn't really matter, considering the original manga and most of the 1st anime is non-canon to the main anime(s).
* ''{{Hellsing}}'' has inspired a grove of these, with everything from "Captain is secretly Jonathan Harker" to "SHE is really Lilith." Some have been {{jossed}} but others remain CanonFodder thanks to Hirano's troubled relationship with backstory.
* ''{{HaibaneRenmei}}'' really invites these, as seen in this forum: http://cff.ssw.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=2
* A rather interesting one comes from [[AxisPowersHetalia Axis Powers Hetalia]]. All of the countries have two names: their country name, and a human name. In canon, only the country names (America, Germany, etc.) are used. Some people say that the human names have no purpose, and others say that they use their human names all the time but they're replaced with the country names so the readers know who they're talking about. And then there's some people who say that they use their country names around each other, but when they're around people who aren't countries they use their human names so that nobody knows they're actually countries.
**Not to mention the various theories that pop up about what the countries are, why they're around, etc. Though it takes a more rare serious discussion for them to pop up, but still...
* DetectiveConan: A particular fan theory is that Eri's cat, Goro, is the Boss of the Black Organization.

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[[folder: Comics ]]

* A commonly held belief of [[http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/ Scans_Daily denizens]] is that the [[LighterAndSofter Marvel Adventures]] series of comics actually shows the afterlife of the [[MarvelUniverse 616 heroes]]. Nothing [[DarkerAndEdgier dark and edgy]] here: just a loving public, easy villains, and friendly fellow supers from here to eternity.

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[[folder: Film ]]

* Ah, ''TheMatrix''... Way beyond "[[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory Neo is the new Jesus]]," beyond "Zion is itself a simulation", there lie such gems as "Neo is a machine captured by the rebels, in the process of being brainwashed like the one in ''Matriculated''"... and that's not the zaniest one by far. And since the creators thankfully threw in references to [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic just about every religion and philosophy they could think of]], it sparks potential for all kinds of esoteric theories like "Neo is Parashurama" or "the Architect is Demiurge and the Oracle is Sophia, and Neo is Eon, destined to bring peace between them"...
* ''StarWars'': Two words: [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Endor_Holocaust Endor Holocaust]]
**This one's perhaps notable for being a ''scientific extrapolation'', although whether such a claim is accurate is to be left to the individual to work out.
*** Considering how often ''StarWars'' [[SpaceDoesNotWorkThatWay makes physics cry]] in the name of RuleOfCool, a scientific extrapolation ''is'' an Epileptic Tree.
**A recent issue of WIRED claims that this was done specifically ''in response'' to the fan theories. That is, the fan theory was so compelling that the authors made the decision to incorporate it into canon. If this claim is true, then it makes the Endor Holocaust a rather unique variation of this trope.
* Pretty much any and every explanation given for anything having to do with the creature or plot of the recent film ''{{Cloverfield}}'' fits very comfortably in this category.
** Arguably, ''Cloverfield'''s whole gimmick was its Epileptic Tree orchard.
* I've heard theories about Eraserhead that [[FreudWasRight the baby represents repressed sexual desire]].
** I think that hardly registers in weirdness compared to that movie overall.

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[[folder: Literature ]]

* About half the fan speculation regarding the ''HarryPotter'' novels consists of completely insane theories: Dumbledore is the Giant Squid, Snape is a vampire, Voldemort is [[LukeIAmYourFather Harry's father]], Voldemort is ''Harry'' trapped in an alternate time stream, ''Hedwig'' is Harry's mother, etc.
** And ''within'' the series, EpilepticTrees are planted and watered by Luna Lovegood, who casually says the Minister of Magic is a vampire and suspects "nargles" when her shoes are repeatedly stolen.
** "Ron goes back in time and becomes Dumbledore" was a popular one. "Ron goes forward in time and becomes [[DoctorWho a Time Lord]]" not so much.
** In an example of DieForOurShip, many fans of the Harry/Hermione ship believed Ginny had drugged Harry with love potion to force him to fall in love with her, a treachery which would be revealed in the final book. (It wasn't.) Rumours also abounded that the "Love Potion Theory" had begun in the early days of the fandom, but the author requested for related discussion to be removed from the internet, so as not to give the plot away. (Apparently, they've never actually tried to stop the Internet from doing something.)
* Webprose Example: In ''[[http://www.starharbornights.com/ Star Harbor Nights]]'', Claire is a frequent supplier of EpilepticTrees ("If he is a vampire, do you think he'd react if I threw a garlic bagel at him?"), which explains why she's such a frequent supplier of [[CassandraTruth Cassandra Truths]], as well ("He's definitely not breathing").
* For some reason, some ''{{Discworld}}'' fans seem to be fixated with the idea of some human characters not really being human. Favourite options are Vetinari as a vampire and Carrot as a Yennork (a werewolf who doesn't shapechange).
** The most recent (2007) Discworld novel ''Making Money'' contains shout-outs to fan speculation common at newsgroups like alt.books.pratchett; for example, at some point in the novel two characters are discussing the rumours floating around the city that the patrician Vetinari might be a vampire because... well, he is thin, wears black a lot, doesn't seem to sleep, and is secretive about his past (although, as readers, we already got a glimpse of his past in the novel ''Night Watch'', which featured 16-year old Havelock Vetinari as a student assassin). To which the other character replies: "So what? Anyone can wear black."
** ''Making Money'' introduces the new character of Mr. Bent, banker, who really ''could'' be one of Discworld neurotic vampires on first glance, because he shows all the outward signs (and the story toys with this, never going so far as actually saying it out loud, although some of the characters are definitely speculating about Mr. Bent's mortal status); He is pale and introverted with no private life, he's almost religiously single-minded about numbers, he has many peculiarities and no sense of humour, dresses impeccably, avoids talking about his past, only leaves the Royal Bank after dark if at all, and he rents a small room at Mrs Cake's boarding house for... "special" lodgers. Of course, the truth turns out to be a lot more bizarre.
* ''{{Narnia}}'': The Lady of the Green Kirtle and Jadis are the same person... because they're both EvilOverlord witches who dwelled at some point in the Wild Waste Lands of the North. Never mind that Jadis was KilledOffForReal over 1,378 years ago (it doesn't get any more epileptic than that). The characters themselves seem to think they're different members of the same group. ("These Northern witches are all part of the same crew...") Some editions of the books don't help; they include a character guide that conflates the two. Also, a TV adaptation made in the UK in the 80s had the same actress for these two characters (and she also played the Hag in Prince Caspian, although her face is not clear there at all).
**In Prince Caspian, however, the Hag says that witches never really die - you can always bring them back. She suggests bringing back the White Witch.
***The Magician's Apprentice brings up why at least the White Witch cannot die, other Witches, I'm not sure on. Though these are the books, and not the movies, so there will be differences.
* No two critics can seem to agree on whether Vladimir Nabokov's ''Pale Fire'' is a true work of art, two stories told side by side but are otherwise unrelated, two stories told side by side which reinforce each other and are incomplete otherwise, or the mad ramblings of one UnreliableNarrator. Which character is the UnreliableNarrator? That's not the point.
* Mark Z. Danielewski's ''HouseOfLeaves'', but that's a given. Several of the [[UnreliableNarrator Unreliable Narrators]] in that work have a very, very tenuous existence to the reader. Hell, there are legions of fans of the book convinced the insane mother wrote the whole story and Johnny Truant either doesn't actually exist [[spoiler:or his mother '''did''' succeed in killing him]].
* Rumors of a secret "Purple Ajah" (a hidden political faction among the sorceresses of the White Tower) persist regarding the ''WheelOfTime'' series; exactly what it does varies from reader to reader, though it's most often described as a hidden counterpart to the evil Black Ajah. Given Robert Jordan's ClaremontCoefficient, this is not much of a stretch but may never be known for sure.
* ASongOfIceAndFire fandom is notorious for wild, off-the-wall theories; probably the most widespread and earnestly debated are theories that some character or another is really a Targaryen. [[spoiler:Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon]] is the only one likely to become canon, but fans have suggested that Tyrion might be Aerys' son, or that Dany is really Rhaegar's daughter by his own mother, Rhaella.
** Michael Aquilo's [[http://www.xeper.org/maquino/nm/Morlindale.pdf Morlindale]] gives an alternative interpretation to the LotR universe where Melkor, Sauron and the Witch-King are tragic heroes desparately trying to aid the people of Middle-Earth against the overbearing might of the Valar, and their elvish worshippers, taking cruel actions out of necessity and fear of failure.
* Whatever you believe, you have to concede ''TheBible'' gets some pretty epileptic trees thrown at it by certain sects. It's an interesting example though because ''all sides'' of the argument are liable to insist that the other side is grasping at epileptic trees. Annoyingly, [[WordOfGod the author]] seems remarkably reticent about [[{{Jossed}} Jossing]] the incorrect theories, although some say he may have actually released a [[BookOfMormon sequel under a different name]].
* Jobe is a side character in the WhateleyUniverse. He's a sociopathic KnightTemplar who thinks he knows better than everyone else in the world. And he's only fourteen! He has a really unhealthy interest in biologically building a Drow body to be his perfect girlfriend. There's been a ton of speculation in the forums about what's going to happen as a result of his plans.

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[[folder: Live Action TV ]]

* Many of the theories about ''{{Lost}}'', naturally. Jack is pregnant and will give birth to a polar bear, a shark with a tattoo, or a baby with four toes. [[http://www.lostpedia.com/index.php?title=The_Shape_of_Things_to_Come/Theories&diff=416467&oldid=416445#Jack_is_getting_sick Lostpedia]]
* Many of Mulder's theories in ''TheXFiles'' are seeming examples of EpilepticTrees - except that there often ''are'' epileptic trees, or whatever seemingly outlandish explanation he comes up with.
* ''TheXFiles'' [[{{Spinoff}} spinoff]] ''TheLoneGunmen'' was also full of these theories.
* Much of the fan speculation about ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' is off-the-wall, but this early in the show's run it's hard to say how bizarre is ''too'' bizarre. However, Mr. Muggles ''is'' the mastermind behind anything and everything, including waffles.
* In the revival of ''DoctorWho'', some fans jokingly proposed the theory that time-travelling Captain Jack Harkness was the alien Face of Boe in the future, based only on the fact that Jack was effectively immortal and the Face of Boe was billions of years old. In the Season 3 finale, this theory was remarkably ''affirmed'' in an offhand comment by Jack that "the Face of Boe" used to be his nickname, as he was the only famous person who ever came out of the Boeshane Peninsula.
** Many theories were expounded during series 1 about how Adam Mitchell would turn out to be Davros, creator of the Daleks, despite the fact that Adam is a human and Davros is a Kaled. "Adam is Davros" is now a common fan response to similar speculation.
** Around the time of Series 3 of the revived show, some fans speculated that the Master's wife Lucy Saxon was Rose in disguise, or that Rose had become a Time Lord and "regenerated" into Lucy (see TheNthDoctor). The show's producers have stated in interviews that Lucy was intended to be an older, upper-class parallel to Rose.
** The Master is the Meddling Monk. Or the War Chief. Or both. In any case, he's also the Doctor's brother. This last one was explicitly raised in a recent episode of the series, and the Doctor mocked it for being implausible - but didn't actually say it wasn't ''true''.
*** ''Planet of Fire'' was supposed to end with the Master saying "How could you do this to your own brother?" Dun-duh-DUNNNN! But the producers left the line unfinished after realizing how hackneyed and cliched it would be.
** All sorts of stories surrounded the Series 4 episode "The Doctor's Daughter". Fans speculated that the title character was created through male pregnacy, was the mother of the First Doctor's granddaughter Susan Foreman, or was the Doctor's child with Rose Tyler.
* There has been some debate over whether the guests and topics on ''TheJerrySpringerShow'' are genuine or an elaborate {{Kayfabe}}, despite Springer's exhortations of veracity.
* Spoofed in the ''{{KateModern}}'' episode [[spoiler:"Who Killed Kate?"]]:
-->'''Sophie''': Maybe [[spoiler:Dr. Griffin isn't really dead, and he blamed Kate for Dudley's murder]], and it's all a revenge-thing.
-->'''Alice''': Yeah, it's a bit far-fetched, isn't it?
*One fun mental exercise is to attempt to tie fictional characters/universes together via Epileptic Trees based on the actors who portray them. (For example, Forrest Gump's Lieutenant Dan is obviously the Quirky Uncle who inspired CSI: NY's Mac Taylor to become a police officer; Alfred of Batman Begins once worked in the FBI, as evidenced by Miss Congeniality; Tropic Thunder's Tugg Speedman is an alternate universe Expy of Zoolander and so on and so forth.)
**Iron Man and Spider-Man will eventually have sex as Terry Crabtree and James Leer did in ''Wonder Boys'', and as Kirk Lazarus's and Tobey Maguire's characters in "Satan's Alley" wanted to. Considering the prominent love/hate relationship they've had in the comics lately, this one is uncomfortably plausible.
* ''ThePrisoner''.
* In ''{{Buffy the Vampire Slayer}}'''s musical episode ("Once More With Feeling"), the characters sang various ridiculous theories (including IT WAS BUNNIES). The first theory was right:
-->GILES: I've got a theory
-->That it's a demon
-->A dancing demon!
-->No, something isn't right there.

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* Everybody seems to have an idea what {{Bohemian Rhapsody}}'s about, despite the maker saying it doesn't really mean anything.

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* Whenever the {{WWE}} engages in the ThreeMonthRule, fan speculation erupts trying to "explain" the new status quo.
* Whenever a wrestler disappears for a while, and comes back with a different look, some fan who's entirely too clever for their own good starts spouting about how the original wrestler must have died or left the business, and this is "obviously" someone else doing the same gimmick. To this editor's knowledge, this is rarely actually true. If any of you are reading this, yes, that means that there was only one Undertaker and one Ultimate Warrior and one Kane ever. Seriously. You're making yourselves look ridiculous by insisting otherwise. Okay, so there were two Max Moons, two Demolition Smashes, and at least four Doinks, but those are the exceptions, not the rule (and, in each of those cases, the originals surfaced elsewhere).
** There was a second person playing the Undertaker very briefly (Brian Lee) in the run-up to the "Two Undertakers" angle but he was explicitly stated as an imposter.

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* In ''DungeonsAndDragons'', there's a long-running fan theory that Pelor, the Neutral Good sun god in the 3rd Edition core books, is secretly evil, or has a good aspect and an evil aspect. The game designers provide just enough dubious material to humor this theory, such as the Black Flame Zealot in one of their splatbooks.
** It should be noted that the Black Flame Zealots are taken from the Forgotten Realms campaign setting, where they are followers of the neutral fire god Kossuth.
** If not Pelor, than quite possibly the example Cleric of Pelor character Jozan, who in most of his art appearances is portrayed as acting quite dickish and even casting the Evil-Only spell Symbol of Pain.
** Saint Cuthbert has also come in for some theories about where he came from, with some saying he's actually the Christian St. Cuthbert (Cuthbert of Lindesfarne) who was elevated to godhood. TSR and WoTC have both played around with this idea, but have always been coy about it.
*** Given that Catholics already get enough shit from fundies about treating saints as gods, this may be simply good business sense.
* There are some Epileptic Trees concerning the relationship between ''{{Warhammer}}'' and ''{{Warhammer 40000}}''. Some presume that the world of ''Warhammer'' is ''40K'''s Terra in the distant past, but a more common theory is that the world of ''Warhammer'' is one of the millions of forgotten planets in the ''40K'' Imperium, since Slaanesh has always existed in ''Warhammer'' and the "birth" of Slaanesh is documented in the history of ''40K''.
** More detailed speculation has Sigmar as a lost SpaceMarine primarch.
** The ''Warhammer'' world was explicitly stated as being within the ''40K'' universe at one point (specifically within the [[NegativeSpaceWedgie Eye of Terror]]. But then they retconned it, because they realised that was just silly.
** However, the two universes have been explicitly stated to be separate, in order to prevent the Fantasy fanboys from murdering the 40k fanboys-the sheer scale of the 40k setting is such that if Fantasy existed within the same universe, it would be one planet. In a universe of billions of worlds. Most of which have much bigger problems than the Fantasy world. In short, making Fantasy take place in 40k would render the Fantasy world meaningless-what is one fought-over world in a universe where worlds are destroyed as standard operating procedure in the event of certain emergencies?
*** Of course, though they are explicitly stated to be separate, they are also explicitly stated to be linked. A number of stories has people from Warhammer visiting 40k by magic, and various 40k weapons have made their way to Warhammer.
*** And that's just ONE of the Epileptic Trees in the fandom. Given that a lot of backstory details are only hinted at, cracked conspiracy theories are about the only way to find the truth.
* The Dark Powers of {{Ravenloft}} are subjected to this: What is their motive, what are they, and what is the purpose of the Demiplane of Dread in the scheme of the multiverse?
* Dracula of VampireTheRequiem is subject to this frequently, due to his nebulous Embrace and sketchy Discipline-spread. The best fuel for this fire is the sidebar in the Ordo Dracul supplement where the signature Gangrel character, the Unholy, is offered as a possibility for the true identity of Dracula's oldest daughter, Anoushka.
** But, yes, he's a Gangrel. Deal.

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* In the ''HalfLife'' series, some fans believe that the mysterious G-Man is actually the main character Gordon Freeman from the future. The only reasonings are that a) G-Man looks old, b) both have electric green eyes and c) it could be short for "'''G'''ordon Free'''Man'''".
* In ''ResidentEvil'', pretty much everything having to do with Albert Wesker, including who he's working for and how he got the superhuman powers he displays in later games.
** Attempts by Capcom to sort this out through "Wesker's Reports" failed, in large part because the explanations were so full of plot holes that they were practically Epileptic Trees themselves.
* The ''SuperMarioBros'' {{RPG}}s have a surprising amount of these, probably because they have more plot than the main series.
** ''Super PaperMario'', in particular, has quite a few, from Dimentio wrote the [[TomeOfEldritchLore Dark Prognosticus]], to Mimi being the first [[ExpositionFairy Pixl]], among others.
* The ''saner'' theories about ''MetalGearSolid'' are "The White House is actually a sentient supercomputer created out of MemeticMutation", "TheGunslinger DoubleAgent Revolver Ocelot is a psychic medium capable of channelling ghosts", "Vamp can come BackFromTheDead when he's exposed to water", and "Raiden's girlfriend is actually a hallucination, formed by brain damage caused by using gunpowder as a narcotic during his childhood years, which he subconsciously cultivated to manipulate himself into [[IDidWhatIHadToDo performing necessary evils]]". The EpilepticTrees are ''really'' scary. Part 4 answered most questions of the earlier games and destroyed most of the Epileptic Trees.
** Four words - [[http://binaryfractal.blogspot.com/2008/06/solid-snake-has-no-penis.html Snake has no penis]]. It was intended as a joke, but people started taking it seriously. And then they started taking it as FetishFuel.
*** There's a 50/50 chance he won't need one for what the SlashFic writers have in mind.
* Stick around any discussion of ''FinalFantasyVIII'' long enough and, inevitably, someone will insist that Ultimecia is canonically the future Rinoa, who outlived Squall due to her lifespan being greatly extended by her sorceress powers and was driven insane by the grief of losing him... in spite of the fact that Square-Enix's official material states that sorceresses do not have extended lifespans, and the theory flies directly in the face of the major theme of the game. The only problem is that the other possible explanations for Ultimecia's super-ultimate summoned monster, in time-compressed future-world, being named after Squall's necklace, from his mundane pre-absurdity life, are even ''weirder''.
** Don't forget the theory that Squall dies at the end and that his appearance with Rinoa after the credits was his ghost or Rinoa's own hallucinations. The reason the other main characters are partying as the credits roll, even excitedly drawing attention to and filming their sad and/or crazy friend, despite the death of their leader is usually left unexplained.
** Of course, some of the EpilepticTrees concerning Necron in ''FinalFantasyIX'' are almost justified, as he is the final boss despite [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere a distinct lack of relevance to ANYTHING that took place prior to his battle]] (or after it for that matter). Some have even been listed as "official" explanations on this Wiki. Ultimecia's role was explained better, no joke.
* ''Dreamfall'' left so many narrative threads hanging in the air that the fandom was still coming up with new original EpilepticTrees a year and a half after its release.
* Various attempts have been made to produce a timeline such that all of the ''FinalFantasy'' games could take place in a single world.
** Ditto ''TheLegendOfZelda'', and every other series with NonLinearSequels, though most Zelda timelines branch.
*** Majora's Mask was a fertile ground for these theories. It had so many unexplained mysteries that it was practically begging fans to write complex theories about them.
** The entire "Tetraforce" theory. The belief that a secret fourth Triforce piece protected by either an evil goddess or the nebulous "goddess of Time" mentioned in Majora's Mask had a single shred of "evidence:" An upside-down triangle on Link's shield. This one apparently got so out of hand that the redesigned shield in Twilight Princess is exactly like the one in Ocarina of Time, except that it now lacks the infamous upside-down triangle.
*** Not just the upside-down triangle on the shield; the whole point was that the upside-down triforce piece fit in the hole made when the three pieces of the triforce were joined, in exactly the shape of an upside-down Triforce piece. The shield just made things worse.
** Same with ''FireEmblem'', under the conviction that all the continents are located on the same globe. Some believe that Ike left Tellius and became Anri, the hero of Akanea. One of the less bizarre theories in the FE fanbase is that the [[BigEater always hungry]] Illyana has a tape worm.
* Shortly after Manah's death in ''{{Drakengard}}'', Inuart awakens the [[DisneyDeath supposedly dead]] Furiae and tells her that there are no more gods; they are free. After having a quick AGodAmI moment, the screen fades to white. After that, [[spoiler:giant babies descend from the sky and begin to eat people]]. One theory says that Inuart and Furiae were consumed in an explosion and have nothing to do with the [[spoiler:giant babies]]; the other says that [[spoiler:the babies are either Inuart and Furiae's children, or ''are'' Inuart and Furiae]]. The sequel, following a different ending altogether, avoided having to explain this.
** There's also the matter of the FinalBoss. Either she was just [[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere late to the party]], or she's [[spoiler:Arioch, having "merged" with the Grotesqueries who ate her]]. It would probably help if the dialogue for the scenes influencing this theory weren't so [[{{Macekre}} badly written.]]
* Any game produced by Bungie Studios, including ''{{Halo}}'' and ''{{Marathon}}''. Bungie delights in leaving openings and unanswered questions in their stories, prompting fans to go into rounds of WildMassGuessing.
** Naturally, the most common Epileptic Tree about Bungie is that all of its games form a single continuity... Somehow.
* Many attempts have been made to link every single ''{{Castlevania}}'' game into a coherent timeline, along with attempts to draw up a plausible Belmont family tree.
*While the ''RatchetAndClank'' fandom isn't known for its size or fanon, somehow Ratchet turned Jewish... though given the rather vague explanations that pass for canon, almost ''any'' assumptions about Ratchet and his origins involve some form or another of WildMassGuessing.
* Before the release of the sequel to ''KingdomHearts'', many fans thought that either [=DiZ=] or Heartless!Ansem led the Organization. So close, yet so far.
**One current ''KingdomHearts II'' theory is that Tifa and Sephiroth are Cloud's literal light and dark sides, the rationale being that no one seems to notice Tifa or Sephiroth besides Cloud and Sora's party, and Tifa appears during the Cloud/Sephiroth battle in a flash of light that blinds Sephiroth, barely leaving him open for Cloud to finally finish him.
*** That's not theory anymore. It was confirmed in an interview that they were, though they might also be human.
*''{{Touhou}}'' has a number of these due to the sheer size of the cast, and the implied prior relationships between them. What exactly happened during the first Lunar War? (Did Yukari set them up to fail?) Who is Sakuya? (A vampire hunter? A Lunarian?) Is the Reimu of the pre-Windows canon the same person as the current Reimu? And so on.
* ''SilentHill.'' Explanations range from the existence of pseudo-religious deities to the potential that every main character is in a government facility where they're testing out new and interesting hallucinogenic drugs.
* ''{{Portal}}''. How such a simple game could cause the formation of theories concerning the existence or non-existence of cake may forever remain a mystery.
* The otherwise accused as FlatCharacter [[SuperRobotWars Selena Recital]] is an object to a theory that she is in fact a member of the Shadow Mirrors. Starting from the designation of her machine (AS. Short for either ''Assault Scouter'' or maybe ''Ash Saver''), how she upgraded her mecha (assimilation with local technology, in this case the Project TD), the weapon Stealth Boomerang (product of Shadow Mirror), the intelligence of her artificial partner Elma, and her pink hair and apparently very fine body structure, which somehow mirrors the W Numbers.
* In ''ArcanaHeart'', there is a rumor on how Lieselotte Achenbach and one of the newcomers Zenia Valov are related, judging that they look alike. According to the background translated from the other Japanese Wiki, Zenia is said to be an amnesiac person... could this mean that her body once belonged to Lieselotte's sister before she put her soul into her doll?
* ''MassEffect'': [[http://masseffect.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=665067&forum=123 Extended Edition]]. Summary: TheDragon really created the BigBad and used said BigBad in a ploy worthy of Gargoyles Xanatos to lead the hero on a long journey to fight a threat that does not really exist so TheDragon could plot his XanatosGambit to destroy humanity. Oh, and TheDragon cloned himself so he could fake his own death in the end of the game. Borders on PoisonOakEpilepticTrees, depending on [[YourMilageMayVary your preferences.]]

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* Most theories involving Miho or Largo's "Cool Thing" in the {{Webcomic}} ''{{Megatokyo}}'' fit this trope, ranging from "Miho has bulimia" to "Miho is an emotional vampire/necromancer/demon/robot" and "Largo's cool thing is just a [[RedHerring random prop]]" to "It is the continuum-transfunctioner from the film ''Dude, Where's My Car?''" (It should be noted the "Cool Thing" first appeared a few years before ''Dude'' even started production.)
** Then again, given the highly observer-dependent way that reality is portrayed in the series, it's entirely possible that ''both'' theories are true in each case.
* ''SluggyFreelance'' generated a lot of Epileptic Trees in its heyday, and even now its most loyal followers churn these out. Its message board has [[http://www.sluggy.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5935&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 an entire topic]] devoted to systematically categorizing all the theories about the comic's most enigmatic character. See all those theories linking Oasis with the Moon Twin and Sun Twin? The Moon Twin was mentioned twice, in passing, in the context of mythological folk tales, and the Sun Twin was entirely thought up by fans.
* This appears to be the entire point of ''TheOrderOfTheStick'' official forums. (Much to the irritation of the author, who is known to dislike reading speculation about his comic just in case the fans have got it right.) They can get really scary when there hasn't been a comic posted in while (the scariest was when the comic took a three week hiatus).
** Vaarsuvius is male, female, neither, or both.
*** Schrodinger's Elf Syndrome
*** Of course V is actually TWO ninjas who skip positions via elven ninja skills between panels...
** Belkar is not Chaotic Evil (persisted even after Rich took pains to make it crystal clear that he was).
** [[HeWhoMustNotBeSeen The Monster in the Darkness]] is virtually any monster in the book and then some. Latest tree: The Monster is part of the Snarl.
** Therkla, a character introduced with little explanation, is just about anything you can conceivably imagine and then some (it wasn't long before she got some backstory that put the trees to bed and even that brief amount of time was enough for this tree to go absolutely hog wild).
*** Poked fun at by [[http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n34/sciman65536/NewCharacter.jpg]]
** Redcloak is not evil and may even be a [[WellIntentionedExtremist misguided good guy]] (especially popular with those who have read StartOfDarkness).
*** Though this is more a discussion, than a tree, as any discussion on alignements.
** A discussion was raised once proposing Miko was originally intended to be the ideal girl for main character Roy and both of them thought to be a couple. It lasted on even after the {{Word of God}} was given by Rich Burlew - who usually abstains from forum discussions, that Miko 'did, was she was supposed to do from the beginning.' One of the most lively and also quite weird branches of the tree is Haley being (at least partially) a celestial, due to e.g. the rivalry to Sabine and a questionable sentence from her 'lost speech' phase.
* Parodied on ''TheWotch'': [[http://www.thewotch.com/?epDate=2006-08-04 I'm you from the future ...]]
** [[http://www.thewotch.com/?epDate=2009-01-06 And again even better in this one.]]
* "Wild Speculation" is the third-longest thread in the ''GunnerkriggCourt'' forum. (The longest and second-longest being the "[[WordOfGod Questions to Tom]]" and FanArt threads, respectively.) For a time, fans would apologize if the theory they posted wasn't wild enough, because apparently "plausible speculation" was what the ''rest'' of the forum was for.
* There is a great deal of speculation on the GirlGenius yahoogroup as to what is coming up next in the plot, who is linked to who in what fashion, and any number of odd speculations referred to as spending Moxana points is fairly common along with Crazy Theory Friday when posters will put up completely out there theories on what is coming up on the update on Monday.
* One popular tree in ''EightBitTheater'' was how and if Black Belt could be revived. Brian Clevenger [[http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=051110 chopped down that tree and made himself a desk using the wood.]]
* In the Freefall forums, there are some who believe that Dr. Bowman (the inventor of bowman's wolves) is secretly on the planet and manipulating everything through a series of complex [[XanatosGambit Xanatos Gambits]]
* The ''{{El Goonish Shive}}'' fan community seems, at times, to be dedicated to growing their very own orchard of Epileptic Trees. {{Wild Mass Guessing}} is not merely tolerated; it is a grand tradition.

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* This is one of the staples of ''[[http://www.freewebs.com/captain_gamer/ Captain Gamer]]'' fandom, with most theories on the community forum (each of varying coherence) dealing with the title character's SecretIdentity.
*There are a fair few of these in SurvivalOfTheFittest. Most concern the as-of-yet unrevealed plot (read: motivations behind [[BigBad Danya's]] actions) with such theories as the terrorists in fact being funded by the American Government. Another, more odd, yet less serious theory is that [[spoiler:V1 Winner]] Adam Dodd is Danya's son.

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* The eponymous character ''MartinMystery'' from the French animated adaptation also has a knack for coming up with accurate Epileptic Tree-like theories. Unlike Mulder from ''TheXFiles'', however, he usually has to go through several ''genuine'' Epileptic Trees before he figures out the correct explanation.
* There was a long-running rumor that the ''[[Series/DungeonsAndDragons Dungeons & Dragons]]'' animated series, which never had a true ending, had a scripted final episode that revealed that the characters were all dead and in Hell. In fact, the script for a final episode does exist, and has been [[http://www.michaelreaves.com/requiem_preface.htm posted on the Internet by its author]], but [[TheReveal the reveal]] was of a very different nature.
* Some of the most common recurring impossible theories in ''[[AvatarTheLastAirbender Avatar]]'' forums are: Zuko is the reincarnation of Aang's past friend Kuzon, Kuzon's still alive and will become Aang's firebending master, the [[SheFu acrobatic]] Ty Lee is descended from Airbenders, the last face that the spirit Koh the Face Stealer displayed belonged to Lu Ten, the myriad theories surrounding Azulon's (and even Lu Ten's) death/murder, Iroh is Zuko's father... Even the writers have gotten in on the act: "[[YuppieCouple Cabbage merchant]]? [[TheFaceless Fire Lord Ozai]]? Same guy!"
** One of the most infamous of these, as it is the only one ever to be [[{{Jossed}} shot down]] by the WordOfGod, is that Zuko's recent HeelFaceTurn subversion is part of an absurdly complicated XanatosRoulette against [[EvilOverlord his father]]. A disturbing amount of people still believe this.
* Pretty much [[RedVsBlue Caboose]]'s entire reality is less a series of epileptic trees and more an epileptic rainforest.
-->'''Caboose''': Time... line? Time is not made of lines. Time is made of circles. That is why clocks are round!
* In ''TransformersAnimated,'' from the ''pilot episode onwards'' people were speculating that the ship the Autobots came in was really the alternate form of Omega Supreme and that HumanPet Sari was really a robot. [[spoiler: Amazingly, both theories turned out correct]].
* ''TheVentureBros'' bit where one of Dr. Quymn's twin daughters reveals she stuffs her bra (She ''is'' fifteen or so) led into a grand round of theories on how one of the identical twins is a male crossdresser.
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