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Okay, there's something that I feel like adding to CommentaryTerms, except a) I'm not sure if this is something that people in general do or just me and my brother, and b) If it is a thing that people in general do, I can't help but wonder if it has a name already and it would be redundant and presumptuous for me to name it.
Basically, it's those parts of a TV show's continuity that you just sort of...write out. Events that sit so badly with you that you just kind of decide they didn't happen, they don't count, so there. For instance, after seeing the episode of ''{{Friends}}'' where we find out in a flashback that Chandler once made out with Rachel, and Ross once mistakenly made out with Monica, I immediately declared those dumbass developments null and void and prayed they would not be referenced again in what little remained of the show's run.
So, is this a thing? And if so, does it have a name already? (And if not, what the heck ''would'' be a good name? Cause I got nothin'.)
LooneyToons: Sounds like it might be a useful term, if you can dig up a few more examples. As for a name, I kind of like the sound of DisContinuity.
WhogusTheWhatsler: Oh, I can think of plenty of examples. For instance, in the ''Buffy the Vampire Slayer'' episode "Once More With Feeling", when it's revealed that Xander ''deliberately summoned'' the demon that had been killing everyone? That won't do, that's gone. The whole plot twist in ''ThePractice'' where it turned out that George Vogelman, in contradiction of everything that made up the basis of the character, really was a psycho killer? Sorry, didn't happen. All of ''TheWestWing'' after Aaron Sorkin left and all of ''{{Sliders}}'' after it turned to crap? Inadmissible. I also do it with sequels -- eg, ''Terminator 2'' counts but ''Terminator 3'' doesn't, and I only consider the ''Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy'' trilogy to have four books (as odd as that sounds).
The main problem with these examples is they're all personal. This entire concept varies from person to person; I'm sure there are people who love that episode of ''{{Friends}}'', or think that Aaron Sorkin leaving ''TheWestWing'' was the best thing that ever happened to it. So I'm not entirely sure how to go about including examples in the entry.
By the way, great name. I think that we can call that matter settled at least.
LooneyToons: Thanks. It works well as a portmanteau, which is why I suggested it. (I can provide closed captioning for those who don't understand, if they want.) As for the personal nature of the topic, well, just label it as "Very Subjective!" at the top of the entry. And after all, it ''is'' a Commentary Term. Commentary is often subjective.
Hm. You know, I seem to recall that this kind of dispute/classification isn't uncommon in particularly rabid literary fan circles, like Sherlockians, although a specific example fails to come to mind at the moment.
{{Gus}}: You will probably want to draw the distinction from {{snapback}}.
LooneyToons: Well, {{snapback}} is an actual plot element, a variety of reset button, while (if I'm understanding what Whogus has in mind) DisContinuity would be a fan reaction to something they feel messes up the series and/or the suspension of disbelief necessary to enjoy it -- the categorization of an event or even a StoryArc as so undesirable that the fan pretends it doesn't exist.
{{Gus}}: Sounds like a distinction to me.:-)
{{Tzintzuntzan}}: I love the name, but isn't this sort of included under {{Fanon}}? The current entry only mentions things that the fans ''invent,'' but the concept could be expanded to things fans dis-invent, or refuse to acknowledge. {{Discontinuity}} is basically Fanon in its negative form.
Maybe the entry on {{Discontinuity}} would also include when the writers do it. A {{snapback}} would be how one episode directly contradicts earlier ones (Zim destroyed his brain with a time machine last episode, now he's back to normal), while writers' {{discontinuity}} is just plain ignoring things, like BrotherChuck.
DropDeadGorgias: It sounds like it's more specifically where events happen, and then they're quickly forgotten by both writers and fans, so that you can enjoy the overall show without having to recall something really stupid that happened. The Xander thing seems to be the exemplar here.
WhogusTheWhatsler: All right, I'm pretty comfortable with how I'm going to write this up now. I'll try and boil this all down to something cohesive.
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DarkSasami: Do the Apocrypha, such as the Gospels of Thomas, Peter, and the recently unearthed Judas, make this one of TheOldestOnesInTheBook? (Or, as the case may be, Not In The Book?)
LooneyToons: You know, that's a damned good question. If we take the "purity test" point of view that all technicalities count, then yeah, I guess it would.
Oh, and for that last bit.
{{Ununnilium}}: I'd say no, for the same reason that they don't count as FanFic. >>v
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{{Airbud}}: I've noticed that sometimes DisContinuity is created when the original creators of a franchise are not involved in subsequent seasons/sequels. For example, Greg Weisman wasn't involved in season 3 of ''{{Gargoyles}}'', Tim Burton didn't direct the third and fourth Batman movies, and for a video game example, Ron Gilbert had no input in Monkey Island 3 and 4.
Could this be considered a sub-trope?
{{Ununnilium}}: Makes sense to me. Other examples are the third and fourth Superman movies and ''{{Dragonball}} GT''.
MorganWick's mindless rambling: Well, DisContinuity is created on the fan end. It's very subjective, and created on a case-by-case basis. Some people may think ''TheWestWing'' post-Sorkin is perfectly fine being canon. This, ''this'' seems more related to JumpingTheShark.
KendraKirai: "...and Superman Returns ignores the third and fourth Superman movies starring Christopher Reeve." - Thank goodness for *that*. There's no way they'd be able to fit the mess that was those two movies into the {{canon}} of Superman Returns. I mean, really...a drunken, bitter, angry Superman, and a Superman who goes around the world, grabbing all the worlds nuclear weapons? Not to mention Clark's odd shift to Lana Lang from Lois (Who got maybe three lines in Superman 3)... Lord was Superman 3 a '''mess'''. A small part of me wishes they'd do a remake of Superman 2 though, with the Superman Returns cast...
{{Phartman}}: Oh no, you're not the only one who wants to see Superman and Zod throw down again. It was the only thing missing from ''Superman Returns''. Well, that and Otis.
By the way, did you ever see the deleted scene in ''Quest for Peace'' where Superman defuses a Soviet ''nuclear'' missile that the bad guy tried to detonate? So he ditched everyone ''else's'' nukes, but let the U.S.S.R. keep ''theirs''? No wonder his cape is red..
KendraKirai: Is it just me, by the way, who gets the feeling that DisContinuity, NegativeContinuity and ResetButton are all more or less the same thing? At least NegativeContinuity and ResetButton?
{{Ununnilium}}: NegativeContinuity uses the ResetButton, but not all uses of the ResetButton are NegativeContinuity. DisContinuity doesn't use the ResetButton; it's closer to SnapBack. And it needs there to be continuity in the first place for it to matter.
LooneyToons: To be precise, DisContinuity has nothing at all to do with how a show is written or made -- it is entirely a ''viewer'' reaction. A show is ''never'' affected by an instance of DisContinuity, except maybe from lost ratings.
{{Ununnilium}}: Well, if even the ''writers'' think something was stupid, then DisContinuity may become embodied in the show itself. See Airbud's comment up above.
LooneyToons: Well, no. That's a RetCon or one of its cousins.
{{Ununnilium}}: It's a RetCon that stems from DisContinuity. I was just arguing against a show never being affected by DisContinuity.
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LooneyToons: I don't have the time for it now, but this page really needs to be reorganized to match current usage -- the separate sections and notes with their own examples should all be consolidated, with a single examples section at the bottom of it all.
{{Ununnilium}}: How's that?
LooneyToons: Much better. And quickly so, too. Wow.
{{Ununnilium}}: A-thank you, a-thank you. No need to applaud; I already know how awesome I am.
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{{Ununnilium}}: I like to keep the ''{{MST3K}}'' example at the bottom, since it's a rare example of ''characters'' using DisContinuity, and discussing the concept.
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{{crapface}} I HATE the Fairly Odd Parents ep Its a wishfull life who else does because I dont want to put it up w/o knowing If anyone else dose.
{{Lale}}: That's okay, but I don't think it hits the mark for this trope. Nobody is going to like ''every'' episode of a show, and not every episode is going to be good. To be Dis Continued should require much more IMO. The Gargoyles season, for example, apparently isn't Dis Continued because it was bad but because ''in what way'' it was bad and why the changes were made. One lousy episode, even if it's widely agreed, I don't think is always JumpTheShark worthy.
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LooneyToons: I removed
->**Most people (including Bryan Singer) pretend as if the third and fourth Superman movies never existed.
because a) It shouldn't be a subentry under ''Aliens'', and b) because we already cite ''Superman Returns'' and ignoring movies III and IV earlier in the list of examples.
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-->*This is, sadly, likely to happen with the second and third Pirates Of The Caribbean movies. (Dead Man's Chest was good, dammit!)
HarpieSiren: Is that so? Everybody I know says Dead Man's Chest was their favorite... and I hear nothing but good things about At World's End... cutting this because I've seen no evidence of this...
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{{Burai}}: Removed ...
-->Many fans, including this editor, grudgingly give Chrono Cross a pass for these transgressions because it was arguably the best game of 2000.
... and reworded the remaining entry, because it's racking up the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_words "some people" quotient]]. To say it "irked many fans" already implies that ''not'' all (or even most) were even bothered by the story revelations, let alone universally believing they effectively ruined the game.
{{Phartman}}: Indeed, Chrono Cross gets no slack from me. While there was nothing wrong with the gameplay as such, the plot's gleeful discarding of everything that happened in Chrono Trigger comes off as Masato Kato telling fans of the original: "eat shit." He then insulted fans further by suggesting that they didn't "get" his message. Kato-san apparently doesn't realize that if your installed base isn't happy with what you've done, it means ''you'' screwed the pooch, not them. Even George Lucas figured that out; that's why he didn't get mad at us all for hating Jar-Jar.
RySenkari: Funny story, I added the section on Chrono Cross after an argument on Gamefaqs with someone who disagreed with my idea of adding a Schala side-quest in a Chrono Trigger DS remake. My frustration with fans who like the fact that [[spoiler: Crono, Marle, and Lucca are probably killed off before Chrono Cross]], and who also think Schala should never come back in her original form, had hit its peak, and I came here to add the Chrono Cross material. Figuring that the only reason that so many people (at least from my experience) passionately defend Chrono Cross' rape of the Chrono Trigger story is because the gameplay was so good, I added that part about Chrono Cross being one of 2000's best games (it arguably was). Sorry about the weasel words, and I'm glad that so many people see it my way, the Chrono Cross entry is better now.
{{Phartman}}: Holy cow, they're ''finally'' doing a portable version of ''Chrono Trigger''!? Crap, looks like I'm gonna have to save up for a D.S. now...
And yes, gameplay is important, but a rich story is what separates a truly good game from a mere time-waster, and a stupid plot twist can indeed ruin an otherwise good game. For instance, it doesn't matter if the next ''Indiana Jones'' is directed by Martin Scorsese and shot on the finest film in the known lands; if they killed off Indy before the movie began, the movie is going to suck, the end. Anyone who disagrees with me is ignorant and racist.*
[=*=] Trust me, this ''always'' gets the naysayers to back off.
{{Nirual}}: I've never heard of a DS remake. I think he was talking about a topic dicussing what fans would like to see in the remake. The Chrono series haven't gotten any attention since 2000, SE is focusing on Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest and the Mana series.
Besides, if there is anything they should remake, it's the cancelled SNES game Treasure of the Rudras.
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{{SterlingNorth}} I'd like to note that there is a commonly used alternate name for this phenomena in the comic-book community -- Krypto-Revisionism -- which was coined by Steven Grant and Mark Evanier (and is a subject of an Evanier column that was republished in ''Comic Books and Other Necessities of Life''). I don't have the book or the column on me but I believe the origin of the term came from the fans refusing to accept the new continuity where Superman was the last son of Krypton and that there were no other survivors.
{{Phartman}}: Sh'yeah, DisContinuity happens a ''lot'' with comics.
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{{arromdee}}: I've stopped maintaining the Sailor Moon FAQ for a while, but still have to correct a misconception: the whole idea that Toei wouldn't provide the episode stems from a very carefully worded ADV films press release that tried to *imply* that Toei wouldn't provide the episode. However, it didn't name Toei, so it was possible that they simply got the episodes thirdhand from DiC. Moreover, it didn't say "we asked for it and they wouldn't give it to us". It's possible that Toei didn't provide the episode to DiC; but even if that's true, there's been no public statement as to why, and one possibility is not that they think the episode is bad, but rather that Toei engaged in the common Japanese practice of limiting the American release so as to prevent reverse importation. If Toei really didn't like the episode, it wouldn't be on the Japanese release either, but it is.
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Could I perhaps request a WTF on that Gallifrey/New Earth thing? I've not seen it mentioned anywhere else, and can't even think what 'subtle imagery' this would entail. Except, perhaps, we've seen them both with orange sky (this was, however, New Earth's sunset, so...)?
After thinking about it a little more, I've decided to remove it. It's peripheral to the point being made, and it doesn't help that the speculation is so weird, either.
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{{Zeke}}: I've done a little cleanup, mostly in the Trek item. This is gonna be a highly subjective article no matter what, but it's also an important one, so I think we should be careful to keep a little perspective. (For example, the number of Trek fans who think ''Star Trek V'' sucked absolutely ''dwarfs'' the number who hated VOY and ENT in their entirety; putting them on the same level is deceptive. Also, it just made for a hard-to-read sentence.)
I have a whole rant about the basher mentality which I'll spare you, but the important thing is this: there's no such thing as "most fans". You're not most, I'm not most, ''most'' aren't most. And all is right out.
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{{Ununnilium}}: Hm. Several of the above comments (especially {{Burai}}'s link to "Weasel Words") make me think of a new Wiki Trope: The WeaselEdit. This takes two forms; one where, in the same spirit as the JustifyingEdit, a contributor who disagrees with an entry softens it to the point of meaninglessness by including all sorts of qualifiers. In the other form, there's an addition by a contributor who isn't ''quite'' sure that what they're adding actually has anything to do with the entry they added it to, so they put stuff like "Borderline example" and "Semi-subversion".
{{Zeke}}: "Weasel Edit"? Sheesh, Ununnilium, don't hold back. Tell me what you ''really'' think.
I admit I made my edit partly so I won't get so annoyed every time I pass by this page, but I still think it's an improvement. Anyway, this isn't what the "weasel word" thing is about at Wikipedia. There, you're a weasel when you try to insinuate your POV into a neutral article -- "It could be argued that ''Enterprise'' bears certain similarities to Hitler" or whatever. Here, it's a matter of two POVs clashing; neither one has the right of way. I figure it's better to compromise than just overwrite the offending passage.
But whatever. Now that I've actually ''aired'' all this, I doubt it'll bug me as much. Somebody can replace my item with "Your shows are bad and you should feel bad" if he wants. I won't argue. I'll just strike this article from my personal canon.
{{Tanto}}: Zeke, you need to stop taking everything so personally. In all likelihood -- and he can speak for himself if I'm wrong -- Ununnilium's comments above didn't have anything to do with your edits -- that's why he separated them with a line, to indicate he was moving on to another line of discussion. Many tropes are born from diverging trains of thought in the discussion pages, so you need to chill.
{{Ununnilium}}: Indeed. Though, really, I should've put it on You Know That Thing Where.
{{Zeke}}: How DARE you call me overly sensitive, Tanto? I will ''never forgive you.''
Seriously though, point taken. I don't think it was unreasonable for me to get that impression, but I did overreact.
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{{Lale}}: The new Spiderman one looks more like BellisariosMaxim.
{{Ununnilium}}: We need more details on that one. Waaaaaay too vague.
Later: Cutting it, because the details are so vague that the point is missed.
* This editor vaguely remembers reading an editorial of some sort by (I think) Stan Lee in which the reader is explicitly instructed to ignore one-time departures from continuity (the example given was Spiderman lifting a whole baseball stadium with no explanation for how his strength had been increased). If writers never mention it again, neither should you.
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{{Lale}}: Let's try ''not'' to list every little part of a franchise more than one person online happens to dislike. DisContinuity is more drastic than that.
LordSeth: I actually deleted a section of the examples for that; it was literally nothing more than the individual editor listing what they considered canon/not cannon of Star Trek.
MorganWick: "Lord Seth"? Is that like Seth's EvilTwin?
{{Lale}}: "Any faction" does not equal "an entire faction of the fandom." Picking and choosing the pairings you like is {{Shipping}}, not DisContinuity.
as for the listing of my personal canon, i'm surprised that it lasted as long as it did, i figured it would be deleted within an hour or so
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{{Ununnilium}}: Turning down the ARRRR FANRAGE.
Later: Taking this out, since it goes way into unecessary detail: "The Alien films can be taken as a solid trilogy if the directors cut of Alien3 is accepted. This editor likes the atmosphere of the third Alien movie as it has similarities to the first movie (darkness, claustrophobic locale, death lurks around every corner, protagonists have to use their wits to survive, except that this time everyone dies). But yeah Alien 4 was beneath contempt. "
Also, I'm not sure the ''CodeGeass'' one should be where it is, "inspired by" or not.
Later: Moving it.
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DonBoy: I think there should be a distinction between Dis Continuity and the more common decay-related situation where the latter X installments, or seasons, of something are just considered too poor to bother with. What's interesting about Dis Con is that it's the removal of a relatively small amount of continuity from the middle of an otherwise-intact continuity, so that you buy into the concept of continuity with respect to the post-DisCon event, but you patch around what would be otherwise included. By contrast, writing off, say, ''Alien Resurrection'', only requires you to not watch that movie, because nothing else depends on it.
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{{Qit el-Remel}}: Jim Valentino doesn't acknowledge ''[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardians_of_the_Galaxy Guardians of the Galaxy]]'' after a certain point. Ditto Greg Weisman and ''{{Gargoyles}}'' (he's stated that ''The Goliath Chronicles''—with the exception of the part where us Angela/Broadway '{{shipp|ing}}ers got our way—is not canon). Considering that the individuals in question were at some point in charge of the venues in question, I'm curious as to whether or not this counts.
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Rina: Just saying - I don't really get why people don't like the third PiratesOfTheCaribbean movie. Then again, I'm one of those people who love random chaos, so maybe it's the need for the movie to actually make sense.
{{Seth}}: For me it was the final reminder, yes this is made by Disney. You could almost forget it in the first, overlook it in the second but the third - not so much.
{{Etrangere}}: Loved the third movie as well (and the second, although that one was uneven). You've gotta dig a Disney which leaves the main couple permanently separated for most of their life. And I feel free to disregard the WordOfGod on that one.
{{Zeke}}: They were all fun popcorn movies (so to speak; I don't actually like popcorn). I liked 3 the least because it went the furthest in making the pirates the good guys. Elizabeth Swann became completely uninteresting, just a standard-issue "OMG strong woman" character. (Making her the Pirate ''King'' was just ridiculous.) And dammit, I didn't want a DownerEnding. Why in the world does Jack deserve to be happier than Will and Elizabeth?
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{{Sikon}}: Took out ''StargateInfinity'' and the Face of Boe "revelation" because the former is explicitly designated non-canon (and thus there's nothing to mentally write out of canon) and the latter is not a revelation, merely a possibility, which may or may not be true.
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{{Burai}}: Removed ...
---> There have never been ''any'' System of a Down albums. In fact, they ''don't exist''.
... because the very first words of the trope are "amongst fans". I like to think that Michael Bolton's career doesn't exist, but that's not DisContinuity, it's just DisLike. If there's some point other than snipe for sniping sake, maybe the contributor can elaborate on that point. But given Sturgeon's Law, the trope entry would collapse into a black hole if we allowed this kind of whole-opus "discontinuity" to count.
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{{Ununnilium}}: Taking out:
* Though this might not strictly qualify, some Harry Potter fans prefer to ignore the existence of the movies. ''Especially'' the last two.
...because it doesn't qualify, and the entry's big enough already without borderline examples. Similairly, this isn't this trope at all:
* New, absent-minded, and/or forgetful [[TheContributors Contributors]] probably like to think the ten dozen minor edits they made to make a single normal-looking addition to a page [[ThatDidntHappen didn't really happen]].
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FabuVinny: I'm removing "everything after Johto League Champions isn't real" from the Pokémon example since popular opinion is that the "Johto Journies" and "Johto League Champions" seasons were the worst the show got.
{{Cassius335}}: Nice to have a fellow Bulbapedian on here.
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WillyFourEyes: It looks like our lovely Dis Continuity page is about to reach critical mass. Do you think it's time to break this one up, just like we did for the TropeNamers and TitleBin pages?
{{Bob}} I suggest splitting the article between {{Fanon}} Dis Continuity and {{Canon}} Dis Continuity. We could just create a new article like Canon Noncanonity and move the examples at the bottom of the page there.
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{{Cassius335}}: ''Making Money'' Dis-Continued? Why, Wily, why?
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{{SynjoDeonecros}}: Whoever wrote that ''Shaolin Monks'' is an Alternate Continuity version of ''Mortal Kombat II''....when was that established? Kung Lao's rivalry with Liu Kang from ''Shaolin Monks'' became canon in Kung Lao's ending of ''Armageddon'', and commentary from Ed Boon specifically mentions that the death trap in the Reptile's Lair stage of ''Armageddon'' (which would've had the big snake head in the background coming alive and eating the opponent) was taken out, because the snake is the "corpse" of the giant serpent you killed in ''Shaolin Monks'', and apparently DisneyDeath isn't given to such a small character.
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{{Peteman}}: Star Wars EU stuff: Amongst my friends, IG-88 taking over the Death Star DID NOT HAPPEN. Most of us also agree that the galaxy was not invaded by a proud warrior race of extragalactic technophobes.
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{{FuzzyWulfe}}: Removed "It would be even better if we pretended the first book didn't exist either" from the Sword of Truth entry. Pretty much for the same reason Burai gave above. It's just sniping.
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CharredKnight: Removing some of the flame bait about FMA, I can understand not liking one (I felt the anime was well animated and decently written considering the circumstances just compare it to the Gonzo Hellsing anime) but those last two parts where just trying to start a flame war.
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Looney Toons: Removed the following incipient flame war from the ''{{House}}'' example cascade:
*** All right, so they didn't make it up entirely. It still wasn't a very good episode.
**** Yes it was. Frank Whaley's performance was teh rox0r, and [[YouSuck you are teh sux0r]].
No discussions on the main page. Spit at each other here. Oh, and johndt? Severe lossage there for using Leet. If you want to talk like [[http://catb.org/esr/jargon/html/B/B1FF.html B1FF]], that's your own lookout, but it subtracts from any hope you have of gaining respect as a contributor here.
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AndrewCarlssin: "If one pretends that the Alien series ended with part two, and that there was only one Jaws movie, both franchises seem a lot better in every respect." -- It is my belief that the next "Alien" movie will begin with Ripley and Newt waking up and revealing that Aliens 3, 4 and vs Predator were all dreams Ripley had while in cryo-sleep.
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ShireNomad: Bob, just got to that episode of CodeGeass, came in here intending to add it, and discovered you were well ahead of me.
{{Bob}}: Glad to hear I'm not the only one prefering the cushier side of the SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism. Seriously, that episode is terrifying. The mass FreakOut and {{Cliffhanger}} doesn't really help either.
ShireNomad: Prefer? Not so much. I started watching the show knowing it wouldn't be about puppies. But that bit... I don't want to ignore it because I think it was crappy writing (far from it!), I want to ignore it because dangit, the writers got me to care about these people!
{{Bob}}: That is how I meant to say it. After watching the series you want to see those people have a happy ending. But to have the situation set up like that and then just suddenly...
I can't say that it's bad writing. Well, I could, but I'd be lying. That's why I referenced the MysteryScienceTheater3000 example. It's not bad writing, it's just a DownerEnding which had the potential to not be a DownerEnding.
[[strike:Do we have a non-videogame trope equivalent of PlayerPunch? Because it feels like that situation would probably qualify.]] Disregard that, I don't even remember what I meant to say with it myself.
Much later: Okay, [[DeusAngstMachina this]] is what I was thinking about. Someone created it when I was looking the other way.
{{Citizen}}: Although perhaps unavoidable to a certain extent in a page like this, I thought it might be better if I tried cleaning up the ConversationInTheMainPage for Code Geass, with the troper self-referencing and whatnot.
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{{Ununnilium}}:
* There was never a movie made after the end of the ''FullmetalAlchemist'' anime. Nope. Didn't happen.
Wasn't this an AlternateContinuity anyway?
Later:
** What about the end of ''Blackadder the Third'', then? He became a king there and you're not complaining! [[ChewbaccaDefense That doesn't make sense!]] Look at the silly monkey! The defence rests.
*** Two things really; Back and Forth was just... bad and have a look at the WMG/{{Blackadder}} page for an explanation on ''Blackadder the Third'''s ending.
ConversationInTheMainPage.
** This is of course made easier by ''Batman Begins''.
Not really, since, unlike ''Superman Returns'', ''Begins'' is an AlternateContinuity.
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Also, FFX-2's hints that it and X are prequels to VII... It's just gotten less of an outcry 'cause fewer people were still paying attention at the end, AND the links were spoken by the resident Wesley...
*Wait, what? What hints? Can someone please explain this?
**One of the resolutions to the Rin's Travel Agency Mystery quest draws parallels between the Farplane and Lifestream, and Shinra mentions in one ending the possibility of people from Spira colonising other planets and using the Farplane's energy. In the game it's little more than a ShoutOut, but I seem to remember the writer saying that he intended the reference to indicate it as a very loose prequel connection (The backstory of FFVII indicates the games must be separated by millenia, if they are even connected at all, so it's barely worth worrying about, let alone sticking your brain in the washing machine for).
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{{Ununnilium}}:
*There were no live-action big-screen adaptations of ''HowTheGrinchStoleChristmas'' or ''The Cat In The Hat''. How the heck could you possibly [[AdaptationExpansion expand such short books into an hour-and-a-half long movie]]?
* Mae West did not come out of retirement to appear in Myra Breckinridge and Sextette.
Doesn't count, not same continuity, etc.
* Many feel that the third {{Terminator}} movie was so contradictory to the entire message of "[[ScrewDestiny the future isn't set in stone]]" by changing it to "[[YouCantFightFate though it might as well be]]", and how InSpiteOfANail Skynet still exists and starts a nuclear holocaust just a few years later, that they don't think of it as part of the series.
** The upcoming Terminator spin-off TV series, The Sarah Connor Chronicles, also seems to disregard the third film, as, in the pilot episode, [[spoiler:the characters jump forward in time to 2007, three years after the events of the third film should have taken place; there's no evidence that it has]].
*''{{Rocky}} V'' is widely considered by fans to be the worst in the series. So much so, in fact, that Sylvester Stallone wrote, directed and starred in a brand new sequel... sixteen years later!
**Unfortunately, he didn't write out Rocky IV and V, meaning in the newest sequel [[spoiler:he's still broke and Apollo's still dead]]. Amazingly, it's a good enough flick that this doesn't really matter.
***Actually he did write out a significant part of Rocky V. Rocky V hinges almost entirely on the conceit that the fight with Drago in Rocky IV caused Rocky such terrible brain damage that a punch could kill him, and he therefore can't return to the ring. Rocky Balboa revolves around Rocky deciding to come out of retirement for one more fight; the brain damage issue is never mentioned.
Already moved to CanonDisContinuity.
** What, even [[KnightsOfTheOldRepublic KOTOR]]?
***KOTOR was awesome. The sequel, on the other hand... this editor wishes he could forget it.
****Blame ExecutiveMeddling and try it again when the [http://www.team-gizka.org/ Restoration Project] GameMod is finished.
******Communist, communist lies! KOTOR II was a dark, gritty and far more entertaining game than the first KOTOR, even with one planet missing and other problems.
******* {{Bob}} is well aware of the fact that KOTOR II is an awesome game, but he is convinced that it would be a far superior product were it not for the Executive Meddling. Just take a look at the Restoration Project trailer and tell me you're not looking forward to see more of the cut content.
Unholy painful ConversationInTheMainPage.
* Modern political discourse.
** Sadly, a haven for the extreme form of Dis Continuity, as well.
Not this trope.
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{{Ununnilium}}:
* Different factions of ''{{Fallout}}'' fandom ignore different games. Some go so far as to discontinue everything from ''Fallout 2'' on, others just ignore ''Fallout Tactics'' and/or ''Brotherhood of Steel'', and some are [[DispleasantFandom already ignoring]] the not-yet-released ''Fallout 3''.
Sigh. I actually ''looked'' for the other ''Fallout'' one that I knew was on the page... @-@
He also refuses to confirm whether he's serious about {{Shipping}} her and Cloud or if he's just doing it to mock the entire Cloud/Aerith/Tifa/Zack love quadrangle DieForOurShip mentality of many ''{{Final Fantasy VII}}'' fans.
Funny, but shouldn't be in the entry, IMHO.
Later:
**Actually, they ran out of money and had no sequel to go into, so they had to wrap it up quick. ''End of Evangelion'' was the ending they were originally going to go with. The fans can ignore the last few episodes and go straight to the movie.
Actually schmactually. The real-life production circumstances don't have anything to do with which ending is "real" to the fans.
{{Bob}}: I cut the rest of it since I mostly put it in as a joke. Saved in it's entirety here for posterity or in case I decide to rewrite it somehow and put it back the [[{{Ununnilium}} the boss]] isn't looking.
** [[{{Bob}} This editor]] refuses to acknowledge the death of Jessie at the beginning of the game. He also refuses to confirm whether he's serious about {{Shipping}} her and Cloud or if he's just doing it to mock the entire Cloud/Aerith/Tifa/Zack love quadrangle DieForOurShip mentality of many ''{{Final Fantasy VII}}'' fans.
{{Ununnilium}}: Heh heh. Just tryin' to keep order.
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{{Ununnilium}}:
*** This editor should point out that Blackadder has actually won more than a few times - especially in his Regency incarnation, where he wins more often than not.
No they shouldn't. It lessens the funny and has nothing to do with the trope, which is about subjective reactions, not the facts.
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{{Ununnilium}}:
* The book ''Stranger in a Strange Land'' ended with the title character safe on earth, the government backing off, and ''maybe'' some innocent romance. He never became a magician, a cultist, a murderer, or a martyr.
...what, ''really''? First of all, this covers about ''half'' of the book; second of all, it ignores every single piece of CharacterDevelopment and the entire point of the story. It-- I-- I just don't get it. @-@
Later:\\
All of Laurell K. Hamilton's subsequent books were written by a pod person who refuses to produce good writing in order to feed her obsession with bad sex and living out her fantasies of sleeping with as many men as physically possible through Anita. Grumble. That plane went down in flames.
Hey, hey -- no personal insults at the creators, 'k?
* No-one has ever been foolish enough to make a [[VideoGameMoviesSuck live-action movie based on a video game]].
** This goes double for [[SoBadItsHorrible video games based on movies]].
*** And no one has ever made a video game, based on a movie, based on a video game.
No. This just doesn't work; you can't DisContinuity an entire medium, because there's no one continuity.
Later:
** [[ManCalledTrue This editor]] demands the existence of ''X6''. Just for the soundtrack. (But seriously, does ''anyone'' play ''Mega Man'' games for their plot?)
Actually, that's the main reason I play ''Mega Man'' games. ``
* This one guy named Paul W. S. Anderson actually made movies out of his ''ResidentEvil'' fanfics. What a weirdo.
Different continuity, doesn't count as this.
** What are you talking about? It was just a really, really bizarre way of putting [[spoiler: Liz Hurley]] [[PutOnABus on a bus]].
Well, yeah, but the fact that that was the out-of-character reason for it doesn't mean it wasn't a ShootTheShaggyDog in-character.
*** And they say that only movies are canon ("like ''StarTrek''" (actual quote)), so this editor doesn't really see the problem here.
In ''StarWars'' canon? Let's see that quote, 'cause I've heard differently.
Clumsy Anonymous User: Certainly. George Lucas, ''Starlog #337'', Aug. 2005: "When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions."
{{Ununnilium}}: Huh! Okay. How about this, then...
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{{Ununnilium}}: Even later:
*** There's a Tsukihime anime? That sounds awesome. Certainly it wouldn't feature immense CharacterDerailment and a complete bastardization of all the routes of the game resulting in an utter abortion from the point of view of anyone who liked the games. ((In other words, as far as any 4chan visitor cares, ''deleted''.))
**** Well... if it's written by [[{{Nasuverse}} Nasu]], or at least guided by him, it's {{Canon}}. Everything else, not so much.
Unnecessary detail and overly complaining.
*** To be fair, not all of these were bad; just most, and many episodes of the few good ones. This is made more issuesome when direct-to-video sequels come after the release of the series, meaning making any sense of the order of the plot becomes very difficult indeed.
Seems like a JustifyingEdit. ``
**''{{Dexter}}''? What is ''{{Dexter}}''? On a related note, it was rumored that there was a show in production that featured a serial killer protagonist. Good thing it fell through.
No, you have to be a fan in the first place, otherwise this just turns into ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike.
Yet later still:
** There are some who refuse to believe that Sora married Matt.
The DistantFinale doesn't actually say who each of them married. They're standing next to each other in the final group shot, but other than that there's no evidence (and apparently, all the other Chosen except Ken and Miyako/Yolei married outside the group, so).
Also, ease up on the bold and italics, okay, people?
Nargle:
*** Oh, come on--if you're going to have ''Burnt Offerings'' and ''Blue Moon'', you might as well have ''Obsidian Butterfly'' as well.
ConversationInTheMainPage.
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{{Tanto}}: ''FireEmblem 4'' and ''5'' have been left out of ''Smash Brothers'' because they've never been released outside of Japan, and ''Smash Brothers'' is a global series. Marth's an exception because he's the iconic ''FE'' hero (and besides, he'll be in ''[=FE11=]'' anyway, so it's a non-issue). Other than that, there are ''no'' Japan-only characters in ''Brawl'' -- why would Sigurd or whoever be an exception? I'm taking it out.
CharredKnight: Lucas from Mothers 3 is Japan only
{{Tanto}}: Eh. Well. Still. My point remains valid. Sigurd's not in ''Brawl'' because he's just not a very popular or known character outside of ''FE'' fandom, not because Nintendo hates him or something.
Rakath: Eh... [[Spoiler: Sigurd, while popular, dies halfway through the game, his son is the more 'correct' main lord for the Fourth Game. And he is nowhere near his father in popularity.]] Leaf and the Fifth game are rather unloved. The fact that Fire Emblem 2 got music in Brawl is surprising in itself, its one of the least loved games. Fire Emblem itself is one of the lesser known series (even if it is long running and an older series) so it got less representation. Sigurd is more a victim of "Why use him, we have this new guy" in that Ike got amazing love in the fan community.
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{{Peteman}}: In the new Avatar Discontinuity section, are they talking about "The Waterbending Master" or "The Deserter"?
I am a bit confused over the Avatar bit: what exactly are we refusing to acknowledge regarding Firebending?
CharredKnight: From what I heard its for the episode ''The Firebending Masters'' or something like that which apparently contains some retcons, some information that makes little sense, and a very HoyYa moment.
GloatingSwine: There's not really anything retconned, there's some new interpretations added to things that we had already been told, and a bit of explanation for something we didn't know. I also haven't noticed any tendency to regard the episode as DisContinuity among the Avatar community, mostly because only people in Canada or of buccaneer tendencies have seen it yet.
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CharredKnight: Their should be more to DisContinuity than one person didn't like it, I don't want to wake up and see that someone decided that ''Return of theKing'' didn't happen because the Shelob fight was in their instead of ''The Two Towers''. In case you're wondering I just saw someone who doesn't believe Spider-man 2 doesn't exist, and I just can't understand it. How the hell can any Spider-man not love Spider-man 2, its got a brilliant plot, everyone is well characterized, and Doctor Octopus is a much more interesting character than he is in the comics.
{{Tanto}}: I generally concur, but you'll never enforce it.
{{Ununnilium}}: I definitely agree, but...
{{Tanto}}: Most of the SubjectiveTropes have grown beyond a reasonable size, really. (Of course, that's my own subjective opinion.) IAmNotMakingThisUp has become my first instance of TV Tropes DisContinuity, because it's just so stupid and it's on ''every fucking page''. People have come up with dumb stuff; I get it. It's really hard to shock me at this point.
{{Ununnilium}}: ''God'' I know what you mean. Oy. Editing down NightmareFuel to a reasonable size and subtroping it gave me a migraine, and I often just cut IAmNotMakingThisUp refs.
CharredKnight: Could we stop it with the ''[={{INSERT SERIES NAME HERE}}=] exist? No way!'' It doesn't make the series look bad it makes the fan look bad for hating it for no apparent reason. Also could someone who has seen Power Rangers tell me why the hell you hate this Bruce Kalish guy? From the little I have seen, the plot, is a hell of a lot better than it was when it was on Fox Kids. I just edited a bunch of entries to flesh them out and clipped the Spider-man movie entries to remove things that don't count as DisContinuity. This is not for things you personally don't like. This is for things the fandom does not like. I personally find Evangelion to be a boring pretentious piece of crap. I don't post it here because the general conssensus is that that the fandom believes its a masterpiece.
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WillyFourEyes: *facepalm* Some mysterious troper went apewire a few hours ago. Come on...JFK the current president? I'm calling troll edit.
ManCalledTrue: *chainsaw edit* [[{{Warcraft}} Work complete!]]
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{{Tanto}}: Meta Knight... mute? No. Bullshit. Meta Knight has ''lines'' in "Meta Knight's Revenge", for Christ's sake!
{{Donomni}}: I think the original poster of that meant an actual ''speaking'' voice, not really sure. I just kept it in there for the sake of, well, keeping it in there. Noone should '''ever''' ignore Kirby Super Star. To do so would be massive fail. [[foldercontrol]]
[[folder: Goddamn multiple edits. ]]
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FastEddie: Got this through the contact page ....
--> I recently edited the Discontinuity page regarding my thoughts about the current political system. I do not actually believe that Kennedy is the current president: His successors are so horrible that pretending otherwise is comforting. I also think that my comments about G.I. Joe, Castlevania 2, webcomics and Archie Bunker's Place were legitimate and would like to know please why they were cut. I will check the discussion page tonight for answers. Sorry to be a bother but this is my first time edting and clarification might help. Thanks for listening.
... which had no return address and seems to be from someone who didn't get the point of the entry -- that it is about editing history to suit a taste. Anyway. The Kennedy thing was funny. I'll put it back in. I don't have an opinion about the other items.
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ThatOther1Dude: The thing about the "The Firebending Masters" in Avatar would be considered a Retcon as they even mentioned Jeong Jeong in the episode (even if "The Deserter" was ignored completely, that would be a CanonDiscontinuity), which is itself debatable.
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{{Zeke}}: Removed this comment about the ENT novel ''The Good That Men Do'':
--> It's a case of Dis-Discontinuity, actually: even though, officially, the novels are not even ''slightly'' canon, this story is accepted among fans far more than the show's [[DroppedABridgeOnHim Bridge Drop.]]
Puh-lease. It's one of the ''novels''. People who read the novels (and I've been one of them at times) are a small fraction of active Trek fans, and ''that's'' a small fraction of Trek fans period.
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{{Zeke}}:
--> Even the hardcore [Corrs fans] gave up after ''Home''...
I will never cease to be amazed at the corners of life that FanDumb can work its way into. What the heck is the problem with ''Home''?
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WillyFourEyes: Gah! So much WordCruft to snip. Anybody else want to aid me in merging some of the "conversational" DisContinuity points? Like this "bit" from the ''CommandAndConquer'' section:
-->The seven games the make up the ''[[CommandAndConquer Command & Conquer]]'' series are so debated over that the only ones that haven't been discontinued by ''someone'' are the first two games, ''Tiberian Dawn'' and ''Tiberian Sun''. One group states that all games are {{canon}}, while another group disregards ''C&C Generals'' because it was just an {{RTS}} branded with "C&C" to increase sales. Some don't like ''Red Alert 2'' because of its stylistic changes and confused continuity, being a sequel to ''Red Alert'' and and a prequel to ''Tiberian Dawn''. (An [[WordOfGod official statement made by one of the creators]] should excempt it from the canon anyway, but no one pays attention to that.) Many people, including the current owners of the franchise, put the ''Red Alert'' series in an AlternateContinuity from the ''Tiberian'' games. One recurring idea is that different games happen in continuities based on which side achieved victory in the preceding game. One group excludes the ''Tibeiran Sun'' ExpansionPack "Firestorm" from whatever theory they follow. The {{FPS}} SpinOff ''Renegade'' also causes much confusion, due to it's implementation of multiple storylines at once (essentially, an in-universe AnachronismStew). Many insist it occurs simultaneously with ''Tiberian Dawn'', its creators insists it happens 25 years later, others exclude it from the canon entirely and [[InternetBackdraft debates rage]] whenever someone brings up the subject. Finally, the latest game, ''Tiberium Wars'', while definitely offical canon, is often disregarded for it's many {{retcon}}s and other details. (The MST3KMantra is often repeated by the oppsing sides.) To add to the hilarity, there is also a {{Novelization}} of ''Tiberium Wars'', which pretty much conga-lines all over the rest of the series and even the very game it is based on, as well as throwing in mountains of FridgeLogic.
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{{Sikon}}: I agree ''{{Mai-Otome Zwei}}'' is silly, but I never saw anyone pretend it didn't exist. At least on [=AnimeSuki=], nobody thinks it's ''that'' bad.
WillyFourEyes: Fair enough. For some reason, the name came up in a search for "discontinuity" on this wiki, even though it wasn't wiki-worded in the actual article. Feel free to zap it.
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BlackHumor: See CutList.
{{Lale}}: The site would be better off without this "trope."
FireWalk: While it's gotten far out of hand (and I wouldn't really miss it too much if it did get burned), I'd see the point if it meant something other than "I didn't like it". So if you could DisContinuity parts of works for things like DoingInTheWizard, or turning a BitterSweetEnding into a Schmaltzy DeusExMachina, or nullifying a HeroicSacrifice, maybe. And that ''might'' even be interesting to read rather than a lot of "X never got made, LOL".
{{Tanto}}: I remember when this page had about a dozen examples. Ah, simpler times.
Nuke it, please. It's long since ceased to serve a purpose except for a) giving people a place to vent, and b) giving people a dumb joke to make.
DaeKharEl: What's all this talk of deleting the page? Remind me where on the page people are venting or making dumb jokes? Oh, that's right, nowhere. You're talking about the example pages. Go ahead and nuke those if you like, but DisContinuity is a significant real-life trope. People DO cut things out of "personal canon", whether for good or bad reasons, and to delete the page is just to deny that such a thing happens. The examples pages may be out of control, but the examples given on the pages of actual series, books etc. aren't, and having all of those become dead links just because you don't like the way people overuse the trope's example pages hardly seems fair, does it? If you don't like it, then don't read it. No-one's forcing you to.
Just because you'd like to write the DisContinuity page out of your personal canon doesn't give you the right to impose your view on all the rest of us. (Are you guys seriously suggesting cutting DisContinuity? If I'm misunderstanding something here, apologies for the rant, but that's the way it looks to me.)
{{Lale}}: Yes, I am suggesting cutting it all because:
* The overuse is detrimental to the quality of the site.
* Apparently, people won't stop said overuse.
* There is no way to determine if the majority or most of a fandom dislikes an aspect of a work enough to ignore its existence; to be fair, anything any one person chooses to ignore ''should'' be allowed, but who wants to read that?
* If this practice ''does'' exist, it's the act of ''officially'' writing things out of canon or ignoring them.
** BUT that is covered under other tropes: RetCon, CanonDisContinuity, DisContinuityNod.
* "Written out of personal canon" apparently just translates to "really, really bad and/or disliked," hence the overuse.
** We already have that: {{Narm}}, WallBanger, SoBadItsHorrible.
* 90% of the examples on the pages ''do not qualify''; those are things disliked by many (or possibly one) fan, but they are not "written out of canon" on a wide scale... but you cut them, and it's unfair and/or disrespectful.
* On the other end, [[AvatarTheLastAirbender in my own personal experience]], even when some examples ''do'' qualify, that fandom (and even writers) choose to ignore or pretend are not a part of the canon story, someone who liked it comes along and says it's unpopular but not DisContinuity.
* In conclusion, this is a Subjective Trope for "things a lot of people don't like." As I said above, we already have SubjectiveTropes for those. And if it doesn't contribute to the quality of the site but is harming it, it's not worth keeping. This isn't SeriousBusiness. Just put this section out of our misery; we'll survive. And enjoy our personal fandoms much better with one less way to AccentuateTheNegative.
FastEddie: The fundamental element here is "quality of the site". There are people who feel that the subjective tropes that are negative (Narm, WallBanger, SoBadItsHorrible, DisContinuity) are less than charming and therefore a detriment. Another contingent enjoys these pages. "Quality" in this case is a matter of personal taste. It is subjective. I happen to be in the camp that doesn't enjoy hearing about what people ''don't'' like, so I've learned to avoid these pages. We seem to have the tools available to do that. The "negatives" (as I think of them) are clearly marked in Recent Changes, and I can set up a bookmark to only show things in Main, if I like. My take: Live and let live.
{{Etrangere}}: I think the concept of DisContinuity is definitly a big concept in fan culture, so we should have a page about it. Could we just make it a trope without examples in order cut out on the amount of natter and multiples examples pages?
{{Lale}}: I'm not suggesting cut all the AccentuateTheNegative tropes, but this one is a duplicate in its current use. If it's important enough to keep the page, can you please cut the examples pages?
And the existence of ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike should indicate there is a line about how much complaining is too much.
{{Tanto}}: ...I'm not sure how I feel about the "If you don't like it, don't read it" argument. One of the wiki's greatest advantages is its interconnectivity, how everything ties together at some level or another. Having to blank out certain entries (because of complaining, subjectiveness, or gross stupidity), seems to run counter to the whole point of this place.
FastEddie: Hearing that. It does seem that the "negatives" examples are from folks who are having some trouble getting it. It is just that such a massive deletion feels a lot more like censorship than chopping a few lines of natter does.
{{Lale}}: Meticulously cutting every instance where someone says "What movie?" "Or that episode doesn't exist" just because we don't like it would be censorship. Cutting this trope or just the accompanying pages is no different than cutting other duplicate tropes that pop up. Let people make their jokes, but no mislabeling "dislike" as "written out of canon on a large scale."
BigT: Let's at lest move this over to DisContinuity.DisContinuity. At least, I find it odd that "This page has Discontinuity." Then again, RuleOfFunny?
Y'know, I think the entire point of this page is to be linked to. Just my two cents.
CharredKnight: I have done some work on this trope more than any other, but I will never be able to fix it, just because its completely brokem. Right now its a doll that has been broken that has been glued together. Its never going to be the same as it was when we only posted examples of widespread discontinuity. People want to bitch about stuff, and when they are given the ability you will have a disaster. My personal opinion is that we should be able to delete stuff on the principle of quality examples. In other words just listing someone is probably a grounds for deletion, unless the page is self explanatory like AloofOlderBrother.
WascallyWabbit: I agree with the calls for a cut. It doesn't add anything, we have DarthWiki/ComplainAboutShowsYouDontLike for effectively the same purpose, why keep it?
Someguy: That fans sometimes refuses to acknowledge the events of a show\game\book\ect is a fact, that deserve a trope.
However, I am 100% in favor of nuking the examples. They're bassically "Complaining about every little things you don't like", and no cleanup could save them.
ThatOther1Dude: I agree that the examples have to be removed, but what the hell is that point of us having an opinion? This page has become completely immune to being {{Cut List}}ed so all we can do is post scattered complaints on a discussion page that nobody. fucking. reads. That's because there is nothing drawing attention to this page, so nothing happens to it (for instance, there was a month-and-a-half gap between the two post before this). The people that want to keep examples realize that they don't need to worry. None of us are going to do anything. We won't do anything without some sort of administrative approval and the higher ups won't do anything unless we get significant discussion and support. People that disagree with us have no time limits or sense of immediancy so they can just wait until we quit caring. Thus, we can't get any real discussion or attention called to our case. Thus, we can't really do anything. Thus, this is bullshit.
Seriously, I could fill this page with swear words being repeated a hundreds of time an no one notice for weeks.
{{Cliche}}: Banished to purgatory until I decide what to do with them.
* DisContinuity/{{Anime}}
* DisContinuity/ComicBooks
* DisContinuity/{{Film}}
* DisContinuity/{{Literature}}
* DisContinuity/LiveActionTV
* DisContinuity/{{Music}}
* DisContinuity/NewMedia
* DisContinuity/NewspaperComics
* DisContinuity/ProfessionalWrestling
* DisContinuity/RealLife (Historical Revisionism)
* DisContinuity/TabletopGames
* DisContinuity/{{Video Game}}
* DisContinuity/{{Webcomic}}
* DisContinuity/WesternAnimation
* DisContinuity/{{Meta}}
{{DocStrange}}: You're only just removing their links from one page, but making it difficult to even get to them. How about leaving them on the page ''until'' you decide what to do with them (they're good reading and should be kept in ''some'' form, although most of the stupider ones should be removed and the ones most people (or at least most fans) agree with should be kept).
{{Cliche}}: Mind you, it's a real pain in the buttock to have to sort through all those pages to find "fandom discontinuity" over "TroperTales discontinuity", and I have other stuff to do in life, like studying. I didn't want anyone making my job more difficult by adding more examples that were clearly not fandom discontinuity, and especially not continuing the trend of talking in an incredibly annoying condescending tone pretending something doesn't exist. Nonetheless, thanks for the motivation to get the job done.
* UPDATE: Well, the revamp is finished. There might be issues with LiveActionTV, VideoGames, and Music being too large and requiring separate pages, but the rest are now unnecessary and should be cut. All "personal" DisContinuity shall go in [[TroperTales/{{Discontinuity}} troper tales]] from now on.
FastEddie: Leave the keepers on the satellite pages, so we don't have this mile-long list of examples.
Here's the list you thought were keepers.
{{Cliche}} Fair enough. However, the Meta page just has to die.
FastEddie: I don't see why. There is some humor there.
{{Cliche}}: ReverseFunnyAneurysm?
Anonymous: Sorry, but I just don't see how any of this is going to help things get any better. The so-called "revised guidelines" are so vague that they might as well be a prophecy of the endtimes. Examples of the fandom ignoring continuity? How much of the fandom? What kind of changes? Just the ones everyone hates or ones some people (casual watchers or hardcore fanatics, for instance) like? If you're trying to say that everything should be excluded unless no one in the human species could possibly like the development, I must remind you that all of this was written by a human somewhere on planet Earth. Clearly, better-defined guidelines must be established, or you'll end up with the same situation again, except with each person claiming to be a fandom of one, or in the best case scenario, gathering a group of friends who share their opinion and claiming that they represent a part of the fandom that deserves to have it's voice heard. What makes all this doubly confusing is that the very top of the page describes DisContinuity as personal continuity, and yet personal examples have nothing to do with the page. Obviously, clarification is needed. Plus, there's some part of me as a human being that recognizes that every series will eventually jump the shark if it's continued beyond a certain point, and would love to see differing perspectives on where that jumping begins and ends without also being exposed to rampant cursing, immature emotional tantrums and badly-phrased threats directed at some celebrity's mum.
{{Cliche}}: URRRRGHH! More work to do? Actually, your points are very valid. Unfortunately, I'm already too bummed out to think of rewriting the introduction to make it seem more like a Scrappy Event. I did annihilate some "personal" passages, though.
Anonymous: Well, that's probably alright. I'm sure somebody will rise to the challenge eventually.
triassicranger: {{Cliche}}, I would just like to say that there are indeed fans of ThomasTheTankEngine who wish the series ended ages ago. And judging by numerous comments on YouTube numerous people (or at least [=YouTubers=]) despise the revival of FiremanSam.
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Someguy: Now that the complaining examples have been nuked, why is this still marked as a subjective trope?
{{Cliche}}: Just because a fandom agrees on discontinuity doesn't necessarily mean everyone does.
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Steve the Pocket: Would the last line from [[http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/matrix_revisited.png this comic]], possible converted into an animated GIF, be a fitting page image?
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{{Occono}}: would it be okay to create Discontinuity/Discontinuity? I can think of a few examples where people changed their minds about previous Discontinuity, and now don't talk about once having thatn Discontinuity.
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{{biznizz}}: On the Comic Book section of Discontinuity, can I add this:
Note 3: If fan consensus chooses to discontinue continuity on a title or what have you after a certain point and it still goes on for a long time, it doesn't go here. That is what {{Ruined FOREVER}} is for.
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{{The_Nerd}}: {{k9feline2}} is a really annoying person on the Comics page. [[supersecretspoiler:Actually, she is a dirty, whiny cunt.]]