ThatOther1Dude: OK, that Bill Waterson is just mean-spirit to really be the page quote, especially since he's condemning ''all'' comic books.

{{Duneflower}}: Would this be Adam Copeland if he took his WWE persona ({{Jerkass}}?) to a gothic extreme? :)
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Trogga: How is the Sweeney Todd movie both Darker And Edgier ''and'' LighterAndSofter?
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Conan-san: Wait, Digimon Tamers was a critical failure? Frountier, I'll give you but Tamers?!
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cg12345: I must say, I ''loved'' ''TheDarkKnight'', but a DarkerAndEdgier Superman sounds like a WallBanger in the making.
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{{crapface}} I'd say the {{TalesofSymphonia}} anime is DarkerAndEdgier do you argee?
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LordTNK: Who removed the "smolder with generic rage." cartoon?
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TrouserWearingBarbarian: Personally, I would've gone with [[http://www.superdickery.com/images/stories/other/santathebarbarian01.jpg this]] for the picture, but that Smurfs one is equally hilarious.

{{Fawriel}}: I would have gone with the poster for the Alvin & The Chipmunks movie. I was so sure it was a parody of DarkerAndEdgier when I first saw it. Oh how wrong I was. ... wait, is the Smurfs thing for real?

Andrew: NoJustNo? More like OH GOD YES!

{{Nornagest}}: I'd totally read the Smurfs thing, although mostly for irony value. Does that make me immature?

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This trope has nothing to do with GrimDark. GrimDark stories can start that way.

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{{Nyktos}}: What the hell happened to the page?

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[=SenatorJ=]: Anyone else think the Chzo Mythos qualifies? I mean, the series might've been planned out the way it went, but by the end it's FAR more brutal than the relatively tame 5 Days.

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''The beginning of season three of ''Series/{{Heroes}}'', in which Peter [[spoiler:is literally replaced by his future self (who not only dresses exclusively in black, but also has a scar on his face)]], Claire[[spoiler:, the largely upbeat teenage cheerleader, is given a death wish]], and Hiro [[spoiler:sees a future version of his best friend Ando kill his future self]]. It also features [[spoiler:a bunch of AxCrazy, kind of emotionally-thin villains]] and made Sylar more psychotic than usual. Noah went from being an anti hero [[spoiler:to a man willing to threaten to kill an innocent man unless he murdered someone for him.]] And Arthur, for all his cliched talk of "Saving the World" had the worst motivation on any character in the show, seeming to be just someone who randomly killed people for no lucid reason.''

Joeyjojo: so Heroes devolved into MonsterOfTheWeek plots and CharacterDerailment. There is no major sift in tone. Now [[SeasonalRot quality on the other hand]]...

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{{Rutskarn}}: Awright, tropespeople, I've a question.

What's the protocol for self-linking?

I've a notion that the posts [[http://www.chocolatehammer.org/?p=91 here]] and [[http://www.chocolatehammer.org/?p=400 here]] on my chronicle of dementia, that most nerdy of blogs Chocolate Hammer, are relevant to the interests of this topic. Enough so that I have a similar notion of linking them as deconstructions/parodies. I do this because I'm ''just that helpful''.

Now, this may turn out to not be the case, and I might just be a sniveling little schemer out for the free publicity on his laughably inconsequential blog-type thing.

Plus, it'd be starting down a slippery slope. I'm sure I've got other posts relevant to other topics, and I'd like to remove the temptation for a Rutspam that nobody wants.

What I'm saying is, I'd like to get a consensus from all y'all on this type of behavior. Is it improper to link oneself? Is is improper to link these posts in question? Am I, by my very existence, improper? Insert classic pop-culture question as a form of mocking my established structure here?

I await your decision.

AnonymousMcCartneyfan: Your existence doesn't appear improper. My opinion on this issue right now is, if you want a link to one of your own blogs in the article, propose it in the discussion just like those two above. It may be improper for you to link to yourself, but (if it's relevant) it's okay for ''other people'' to link to you....
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{{Etheru}}: I added something about RenAndStimpy, do you think that could work.
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This page is very one sided, The body paragraph makes it sound like it's allways a bad thing, to the point this might as well be called, DarkerAndWorse. This page needs to be fixed in this regard, after all TropesAreNotBad. Or is there a separate trope for DarkerAndBetter?