{{Colin}}: The line "For some reason, while heroic Action Girls often fail to live up to their reputation, Dark Action Girls rarely do." is confusing. It ''seems'' to be saying that both ActionGirl and DarkActionGirl don't live up to their hype, whereas the rest of the paragraph says ActionGirl don't live up to their hype and DarkActionGirl do live up to their hype.

MorganWick: Someone probably meant something like "always" for "rarely".

Binaroid: I parsed that sentence as "For some reason, while heroic Action Girls often (fail to live up to their reputation), Dark Action Girls rarely do (fail to live up to their reputation)."

MorganWick: Well then, the whole sentence probably needs to be rewritten.

{{Seth}}: This was a simple error, you could have fixed it rather than reported it.

{{Lale}}: I wrote the original sentence, and I already rewrote it.
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DarkSasami: Faith from BTVS is listed both here and at DarkMagicalGirl, which would seem to be mutually exclusive categories. Looks like we need to sort this out.

I would place Faith squarely under DarkMagicalGirl, because she's not an invulnerable badass. She's a scared and messed-up kid who does a HeelFaceTurn after exposing her vulnerability to both Buffy and Angel, and the only reason it takes so long for it to happen is that neither of them is TheMessiah.

Objections?

{{Seth}} Somewhere that isn't his home: I would object, DMG is more or less exclusive to the magical girl genre - which buffy sure as hell isn't.

DarkSasami: Just because Buffy isn't animated in Tokyo doesn't mean Faith doesn't fit the other trope better. After all, we allow non-anime {{Five Man Band}}s.

{{Scifantasy}}: I've fixed up the entries for Faith both here and in DarkMagicalGirl. Frankly, Faith seems to me to split the difference.

You know, this seems to also be pointing out another problem with the article. There are plenty of Dark Action girls who do Heel Face Turns. It's much less common then Dark Magical Girl, but not very rare either.
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"C'mon. Ty Lee's too cute and [[{{CloudCuckooLander}} funny]] to be ''dark''." Uh, the "Dark" in the trope title refers to their villainous alignment, not their wardrobe.

She's not very evil either. She's more or less shanghiged into coming along by Azula out of the power of friendship (Villain edition!) She's never seen doing anything bad other then fighting the main charaters.

{{ccoa}}: I don't think either Mai or Ty Lee belong on this page - other than being action girls and villains, they don't otherwise fit the definition. Particularly since The Burning Rock episode.

{{Lale}}: ActionGirl + villain ''is'' the trope. The "minion" in PerkyFemaleMinion also implies "villain"; there's no rules that say a giggly, bubbly girl who likes pink is automatically too sweet to be a villain.

{{ccoa}}: Not according to the description, it's not the trope. I never said they aren't villains, but if you read farther than the first paragraph or so, they don't fit any of the requirements beyond the title:

"he Dark Action Girl is the Dark Magical Girl's polar opposite, fiercely independent, cruelly carefree, and rarely interested in making friends. Just as the Dark Magical Girl almost always does a Heel Face Turn, the Dark Action Girl almost never does. If she is brought over to the side of good, even if only for an episode, expect her to be hesitant about it at best. Typically the Dark Action Girl will only aid the Action Girl against another villain because she considers herself The Only One Allowed To Defeat You."

{{Lale}}: IMHO that's to differentiate this character from a DarkMagicalGirl, and it's clear these three aren't {{Dark Magical Girl}}s.

{{fleb}}: I think the in-your-face look-out-for-number-one attitude of the DarkActionGirl is pivotal, considering the examples I know enough about-- Shego, Blackarachnia, and Larxene. Azula's probably this, but the other two definitely have never been DarkActionGirl, so I cut them.
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RobertBingham: Who deleted the Shego pic from the page?

{{alliterator}}: Apparently, it was a hotlinked Wikipedia image. I uploaded it onto the TV Tropes site and put it back on the page.
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{{Lale}}: Isn't Raven more of a DarkMagicalGirl?

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{{fleb}}: Cutting this for the reasons the {{natter}} said. An ActionGirl on the bad guys' side does not a DarkActionGirl make. It's a personality type. And Cornelia, at least, is a LadyOfWar.

->* Princess Cornelia, and to some degree Viletta Nu of ''CodeGeass''. Of course, in Code Geass there are no "light" or "dark" sides; it means, if you cheer for Britannia, you will think Cornelia is a garden-variety ActionGirl, and Kallen is a Dark one.
->** Calling ''any'' of CodeGeass's Action Girls dark is pretty hard, since all three have shown too much of a sensitive side (Kallen most of all) to be considered dark or evil in any real way, so its more of a case of normal action girls of different sides.



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{{MrBrownstone}}: Uh, shouldn't this be a DarthWiki entry? It certainly fits the theme.