{{Gus}}: The entries BatmanColdOpening and "Professor X..." were cribbed from RSPaulette of [[http://www.tentonstudios.com Ten Ton Studios]]

{{Ununnilium}}: ...so how does this relate to BornInTheFunnyPapers, and the rest of the wiki in general?

{{Ununnilium}}: Read GeneralSuggestions. Ah, I see. Hmmmmmmm. But what about BornInTheFunnyPapers, still?

{{Gus}} Yup, either those should be dragged over to ComicBookTropes, or it should be made alittle clearer that BornInTheFunnyPapers is about tropes that have escaped into the wild from comic books.

{{Ununnilium}}: Also, it doesn't link to any higher-up page right now. I assume it's going to?

For right now, I'm putting a ComicBookTropes link on all BornInTheFunnyPapers pages. Not sure wether we should cut it or transform it.

{{Ununnilium}}: Edited BornInTheFunnyPapers a bit. Now, one thing: how exactly are we going to differentiate, for instance, {{Batman}} (the comics character) and {{Batman}} (the eponymous '60s show)? They seem to want to have their own pages, and I'm not sure what tactic we should use.

{{Ununnilium}}: Also, there's no direct way to get here from the sidebar, except to go into Tropes and click on one you know links here.

{{Gus}}: I was sort of waiting to see if it picked up any speed before giving it a place on the sidebar. I suppose we can give it a fly, though, and see if ''contributes'' some speed. I'll do that, while thinking about that thorny classification problem. // ...later: That's in. Such sub-headings as ComicBookGenres and ComicBookCharacters will no doubt be called for, as time rolls on. On the classification issue... I'm familiar with ''Superman'', ''Batman'', ''Spider-Man'', ''Wonder Woman'', and ''The Flash'' as TV series that shared a book name. Are there others? There may be no reason to let these five tails wag the whole dog. (Man, I love mangling a metaphor!)

{{Ununnilium}}: Well, there's been a slow but steady growth so far. We'll see.

''Fantastic Four'', ''Iron Man'', ''Silver Surfer'', and ''X-Men'' all come to mind, and I'm sure there are others. Though I note that there was never a ''Superman'' TV series - the one in the '50s was ''TheAdventuresOfSuperman''.

{{Ununnilium}}: ...though there ''was'' a ''Superboy'' series. And I'm thinking that, for shared universes, it might be easier to track characters than series.

{{Gus}}: OK, the list of shows with a comic book name ''is'' pretty long. I suppose we want to talk about both Books and TV Shows. How about a convention that an entry about a book is entered as {{Batman-Book}} (no italics)? If it gets cumbersome in the text, it can alway be rendered [[{{Batman-Book}} Batman]] with double-brackets. Also, if the convention is used (the "-Book" part), I can put in a way to make a -Book link look different from other links.

MorganWick: On another topic, we need a general solution for the problem where a tropes listing deals with a specific form of trope (comic books, video games, movies...) but is nowhere near sidebar status (a category that, in my opinion, Comic Book Tropes would fall in). Should we have an "Other trope categories" section of the sidebar?

{{Ununnilium}}: ...if you can somehow make the -Book part not show up, that sounds good. Though again, you'd more likely have an entry for the ''character'' Batman than the "Batman" comic series (which is only one of the ones he stars in).

And Morgan: I agree.

{{Gus}}: The more I think about the -Book thing, the suckier it seems. We just need some way to distinguish between Batman the series, Batman the book, and Batman the character. That is what "Groups" do, according to the wiki-way, but we don't like Groups, because they isolate information from the larger topic, tropes...

Back in the early days of this Wiki we used formulations like AngelTheSeries to distinguish between such things. It wasn't very convenient.

{{Ununnilium}}: Maybe... using braces like {} in the name? `.` And putting, say, Batman{comics}?

{{Gus}}: Something like that could work for the link. It's the destination of the link that is the problem. The entry title that is being referred to by the link, that is. The idea of "ComicBook.Batman" formulation that Groups use isn't all bad. The "ComicBook." part can be clipped off pretty easily. The thing that needs solving is that we should be able to use "ComicBooks.Batman" and have the entry and its changes show up in RecentChanges and searches.

Ah. I can solve that. It'll take a day or so...

{{Ununnilium}}: Awesome! Also, something else that might make it a bit more intuitive is having the link be a different color.

{{Gus}}: Yup, that would be dead simple, after solving the other thing. BTW, MorganWick, could you give an example of a trope that fits the category you are concerned about?

MorganWick: Well, Comic Book Tropes is the first thing to come to mind! Arguably CommercialsTropes, even though that's linked to from {{Tropes}}. NewMediaTropes, once it got pulled back into the fold, pretty much saw all the attention go to its videogames-related entries. But what I'm describing is a mostly hypothetical thing for future expansion, for example, if we decided to do movie-specific tropes, or the tropes that are still specific to stage plays.

{{Ununnilium}}: Darnit, I can't do the cool thing. ;.;

{{Gus}}: Woops. The change sort of fell off my radar. You can do a Comicbook.SameNameAsASeries entry right now. Making sure it shows up on recent changes and pimping up the link color is something I'll get right on.

{{Ununnilium}}: Ah, excellent. At this point, I'll wait to do it until the morning anyway.

{{Gus}}: I've put in a lot of code changes to support these issues. The nice thing? Recent changes paints faster, 'cuz of my mad programming skillz. The not-so-nice thing? I have no idea if anyone will be able to puzzle out how it works.

{{Ununnilium}}: It'd probably be better if it didn't show the "Comicbook." part.

{{Gus}}: Working on that. The guy who wrote pmwiki drank not from the object-oriented Kool Aid, so chasing down all the "ifs, ands, ors, and elses" in the code is taking some time.

{{Filby}}: I question the necessity of listing each member of the Authority separately and am removing them; readers can check out the page for the team for info. None of the members really have a presence outside of the Authority (or Stormwatch in some cases). If readers want to find out more about the individual characters, they can just go to Wikipedia.

{{Ununnilium}}: IMHO, if someone wants to do individual pages for Authority members, that's fine. Until then, though, I agree that the empty links should be gone. (And we should cut down on adding new ones in general.)

{{Ununnilium}}: Do we really need a Marvel 1602 universe entry? Maybe one for the series (which is awesome, BTW), but considering that it only has that one miniseries plus the new non-Gaiman miniseries...

MorganWick: So when should we break this up into several sub-pages, like we have with Anime and Videogames?

{{Ununnilium}}: Good question. The thing is, we need to fill in the entries before they can get their own pages. Perhaps Ages could have its own page.
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{{Ununnilium}}: Do we have a trope for "mechanical thing that turns off superpowers"? I remember the neutralization collars the enemies of the ''X-Men'' used, and ''CityOfHeroes'' has the Bio-Energy Feedback Inducer, a weapon used by the "Sappers".

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MisterSix: I'm an idiot. Someone put Hellblazer in under the "characters" section, but since none of the characters in that comic are called "Hellblazer" it looks a bit odd. I thought that rather than move it to "other comics" I would change it to John Constantine: Hellblazer but I buggered up the wiki code. So sorry for that everyone, I'll leave it alone for a bit. At least until I'm properly awake.

{{Ununnilium}}: I'm just moving it to other comic-book series; perhaps we could put a JohnConstantine redirect in Characters.

{{Meta4}}:Having JohnConstantine in the characters list when it redirects to {{Hellblazer}} just screws up the people who are using the ComicbookTropes bar at the bottom to ArchiveBinge on those pages. We've already got {{Hellblazer}} under Other Series, so I'm removing JohnConstantine.
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{{Ununnilium}}: Took Vertigo out of universes, since it covers several different universes.
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AckSed: Is there any place for [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000AD 2000AD]]? There's a few mentions,but no actual entry that draws attention to the huge amount of characters and series it's fostered (No [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judge_Dredd Judge Dredd]]? No [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_Trooper Rogue Trooper]]?),not to mention the big names that started/worked there.

{{Ununnilium}}: There's plenty of room! It's just that I don't know anything about it, and apparently, neither do the other contributors. Feel free to make an entry and whatnot.
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{{Ununnilium}}: Okay, I've split the stuff in the floatbox over to a new page, ComicBooks.
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{{Chinesecheckers}}: Scans Daily is down, but there are at least two sites that is trying to rebuild what was lost. We should check entries that have links to it and either weed them out, or update them.