{{AdmiralRufus}}: I think Gar should have it's own separate article. [[http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=275622 This explanation]] sums up perfectly the difference between being gar and badass. All gar characters are badass, but all badass characters aren't gar.

{{Guessmyname}}: I think that should sum Badass up about right ("The RuleOfCool personified")

B.D.: I can't believe that this list was written without Ash of Evil Dead/Army of Darkness fame...

{{Ununnilium}}: The thing is, "badass" is an actual slang word whose definition doesn't quite fit with the entry here. In use, I've mostly seen it applied to ''any'' character who pulls off something impressive in a "macho" way.

{{Airbud}}: I look at badassness as a state of being, not necessarily about pulling off stunts. A lot of heroes pull off crazy stunts without being badasses (nice guys like Macgyver and Spider-man). A badass character is one that is so cool that he's fun to watch. For examples of badasses, look to Bruce Campbell's character in Army of Darkness, almost any character SamuelLJackson plays, and most incarnations of {{Batman}}. It's mostly a matter of a hero knowing that he's good at what he does, and taking control of the situation. Asuka lacks the self-confidence necessary to be qualified as a badass.

{{Ununnilium}}: True, true. So I don't think it really fits with the almost-sociopathic version talked about in the entry.

{{Tzintzuntzan}}: What {{Airbud}} said is pretty close to what I had in mind when I wrote the initial entry -- Ash and company. They are indeed hyper-competent and hyper-confident, but I think part of what gets fandom to label someone a {{Badass}} is that their talent goes to something that's violent and risky. Batman is an amazingly competent and confident detective, but when he takes two obscure clues and solves the entire mystery with them, I've never seen him called a {{Badass}} for that. He gets called a {{Badass}} because he can grab a criminal and get him to talk by dangling him from a skyscraper. And most of the heroes who get dubbed badasses seem to have that sociopathic streak (Batman included).

As for Asuka, she does have the confidence, and competence, and knack for pulling off the impossible (and borderline sociopathy) in her early episodes. She has it again, briefly, in ''End of Evangelion.''

{{Ununnilium}}: I've seen nonviolent badassery. The main part of it isn't violence, but riskiness, competence, and impressiveness. Figuring out a mystery from two obscure clues isn't badass, but, say, if those clues come from something the bad guy said just as he was about to kill him, that'd be badass.

(random passer-by): An entertainingly written take on the concept can be found here, though it is from a page on roleplaying games:

http://www.io.com/~sjohn/action.htm

{{Ununnilium}}: Nice. And might I say that this version of the page is closer to what I was trying to talk about here.

SevenSeals: If you want a non-violent badass, you need only turn to Gregory House from ''{{House}}''. I mean, he only tortures his patients in about 9 out of 10 episodes. And it's for their own good.

{{Kilyle}}: I'm not sure I would count him among the ''non-violent''. And besides his patients, he ''did'' punch out Chase (that'd be one of Chase's shining moments, actually, lying there on the floor, blood running from his mouth (or am I making this more BadAss than it really was?), and he's calming explaining his side of things so that House can get a clue and save the patient).

TrickyPacifist: Well, no, House isn't really nonviolent. He's got verbal violence down to an art ''and'' a science, and that probably contributes to his {{Badass}} status. But for the most part he's badass because of all the incredible stuff he does, and the awesome manner in which he does it.

Here's another example: I'm no fan of ''The Chronicles of Riddick'' and the character certainly is violent. Nevertheless, he had one moment which even I would identify as badass: swinging out into ''killer sunlight'' with only a sparse dousing of water for protection to rescue the DistressedDamsel. He isn't hurting anybody (except himself) but that moment alone is enough to make him incredibly badass.
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{{Ununnilium}}: Does Vader really count? He's awesome, yes, but not in a BadAss way.

Also, who in ''{{Ultraviolet}}'' is badass?

{{Kizor}}: Darth Vader strangles people with his mind. I'd say he easily makes the grade, despite the HeelFaceTurn / Woobiefication at the end of ROTJ.

{{Ununnilium}}: That's a good point.

Also also, I'd say that [[spoiler:Mr. Saxon]] from the new ''DoctorWho'' isn't a BadAss, but a MagnificentBastard. It's a different kind of awesome evil.

NoDot: This is one of [[TheOldestOnesInTheBook The Oldest Ones in the Book]], ne? I'm surprised it took someone this long to add mythology.

{{Sebastian}} Speaking on behalf of the un-hip readers of the Wiki, could someone please explain the odd sentence concerning Ray Winstone. I can take a flying guess and say it has something to do with ''Sexy Beast'', but the readers should not have to take flying guesses.

*We could make this article a lot more concise by changing the video games section to "owing to the wish-fulfilling and generally violent nature of the madium, every videogame character except Mario is a badass."
...But let's not do that.

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{{Kilyle}}: I might have gone overboard with Gilgamesh Wulfenbach... but in general I think my links are justified. And I don't think I got the best link to showcase his dad, but it ''does'' show off his scarring, so that's enough until someone finds a better moment of badassery. (Wait, never mind, I think I fixed that just before I posted it. But people are still welcome to find better pages.)

...And I wish someone would explain to me the distinction between BadAss (fun!) and MartyStu (bad writing!). Unless, of course, I've just hit the nail on the head.

UknownTroper: You pretty much did. Basically, a {{badass}} will a) often break WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief due to the RuleOfCool, whereas a MartyStu will likely elicit groans from the audience -- unless said marty stu is also TheAce, in which case it swings right back because of RefugeInAudacity. And b) {{badass}}es -- as well as ''their'' RefugeInAudacity counterpart, the HeroicSociopath -- may be flawed characters, often highly so in several places (especially morally), while a MartyStu will unfailingly be perfect in almost every regard. Put in the confines of a show, the MartyStu will always win, but you'll root for the {{badass}} anyway because he looks so much ''cooler'', even in losing.

That's how I see it, anyhow.

{{Geese}}: It's kind of like TheWorfEffect. TheBigGuy getting beaten up is a cheap, quick-and-dirty way to show the enemy is SeriousBusiness and that the heroes are awesome for finally claiming victory. Actually establishing them as SeriousBusiness is both harder and makes things cooler, and tends to involve mass extinctions.

Likewise, the MartyStu comes naturally by his "too awesome for words" rep (so it feels cheap and faked), or it's simply designated to him by the author (so it feels like it's insulting your intelligence). The {{Badass}} goes out and ''earns'' it. Sometimes he earns it real hard. The {{Badass}} needs no laurels, no fanfare, no InformedAbility and at times needs no victory, no moral high ground and [[BadassNormal no superpowers]]. Indeed, the MartyStu will reign victorious with no effort thanks to the amazing nature of his awesome power. The {{Badass}} will fight, will bleed, will die, might even [[LikeABadassOutOfHell keep fighting afterward]] and if he wins, it's because he's ''earned'' it. The {{Badass}} would scorn victory by authorial fiat, which is the only thing keeping the MartyStu from being a bloody smear.

Or more concisely, MartyStu is where the author says, "this guy is cool!" {{Badass}} is where the author says, "this guy just ripped another guy's spine out," and the ''audience'' says, "cool!" The MartyStu is ImmuneToBullets. The {{Badass}} gets shot five times and [[{{Determinator}} finishes the fight on sheer willpower and adrenaline]].

Or even shorter, "a risk of nothing is no measure of one's character." If there's no challenge, then ''no'', you peabrained author, he is ''not'' cool!
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{{Scifantasy}}: I fixed up the Samson entry, and suddenly I really want to launch UsefulNotesOnJudaism...
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LargeBluntObject: Jesus? Muhammad? ''Johnny Cash''? Just... no. This page is getting even worse than MagnificentBastard was, and that's just the fucking RealLife section...

(much, much later) Deleted the whole real life section. It was beyond saving.

UknownTroper: Probably for the best. RealLife tends not to break the WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief much anyway.

{{Phartman}}: It's back, and just as ridiculous as before. You should see the natter floating around Ghandi. Badass? To hell with that: if we'd listened to Ghandi in {{WWII}}, European Jews wouldn't ''exist'' today.
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Anonymous: Spoon from DogSoldiers didn't quite win the fistfight- he still got torn to shreds by the werewolf he was fighting. I didn't remove the entry, though, because even considering that he lost, that was still really fucking awesome.
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Libwolf: Shouldn't Torg from Sluggy Freelance be added? Consider That Which Redeems when he took out a Demon Lord with a tower. Or in the Aylee.org arc when he runs into a gunfight waving a sword? (granted he runs right back out again, grabs a few guns then runs back in) Or the Bug Squisher War - Torg is a badass!

LargeBluntObject: So ''add him yourself''. It's a goddamn Wiki.
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{{Haven}}: I think that calling Godzilla a {{Badass}} is stretching the term a bit. He may, arguably, ''be'' Badass, but I don't think he is ''a'' Badass. I mean, so he's a big reptile who kills ''humans''? That's like saying a kid who uses his size relative to ants to step on them is badass (and I guess if you want to stretch the analogy, flaming breath :: a magnifying glass).
I don't know much about the movies where he takes on other monsters though, about whether or not those establish him as badass, but I'm skeptical.
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Random quote from [[http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=277225 here]]: "GAR relates to going gay for the awesome manliness of someone. Therefore by definition I think Kamina is the answer to this question. The girls fawn over him non stop and the guys struggle to hide their feelings the whole series . . . except leeron.". --DocumentN
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{{DomaDoma}}: I'll take a stab at pretending that anyone reads the Discussion page for the natter here, on account of the incendiary properties: ''the fall of Saigon is not badass, it is not a Triumph of the People, and I couldn't care less about the American side per se in this matter because'' '''they weren't the innocents being massacred.''' Over and out.

TrickyPacifist: Was that in response to my Vietnam entry in the RealLife section and accompanying Howard Zinn, quote? Because I didn't think we were making moral judgments on this page. If we are, then I certainly contest Theodore Roosevelt's right to be on the page either: the man was an unrepentant, war-mongering US imperialist. If we're ''not'' making moral judgments, then I think you have to admit that taking on the biggest military superpower the world has ever seen for around two decades and winning is pretty {{Badass}}.

TrickyPacifist: [Some weeks later ...] So, to sum up, I put Vietnam in the "{{Badass}}" category--as opposed to, say, CrowningMomentOfAwesome, which I probably wouldn't attempt. Would somebody care to tell me why this is inappropriate? (Or, if the answer is that we're making moral judgments, how that affects whether or not something or someone is {{Badass}} and why we're not making those judgments on any other entries?)
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X3: I removed:
*How on Earth was Master Chief not included on this list earlier?

From the Video Games section because Master Chief ''is'' on that list.

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x: There needs to be Badass (in a) Suit. I mean, come on. Plenty of suit-wearers are badass. This is reserved for full-time suit-wearers, though (to prevent oversaturation).
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{{Nohbody}}: Is it just me, or does this page seem like it's calling out for a media-specific breakdown, like what's done with CrowningMomentOfAwesome?

On the other hand, though, given how long the intro already is thanks to the subtrope listing, that would make things even more stupidly unwieldy.