->“You sing of the young gods easily
->In the days when you are young;
->But I go smelling yew and sods,
->And I know there are gods behind the gods,
->Gods that are best unsung."
->--'''Ogier''', ''Literature/TheBalladOfTheWhiteHorse''

It seems in almost every {{mythology}} or FantasyPantheon known to man, there are mentions of entities that came before and are often above the [[OurGodsAreGreater gods]] themselves. They're often seen as being older and greater than the gods because OlderIsBetter, although there can be beings that are older yet about even or weaker than the gods.

These Old Gods are often some type of AnthropomorphicPersonification or EldritchAbomination. In fact, they usually are in most mythologies. They also have a large overlap with {{Precursors}}, for gods at least. They occasionally appear as the demons of a replacement religion, but compare AngelsDevilsAndSquid for the cases when their [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch-ness]] is played up instead.

See DeathOfTheOldGods, for an explanation on why the older types may not be around anymore.

If there's only one of them, see TopGod. See also DivineRanks.

When GodsNeedPrayerBadly, expect these Gods to be the exception. After all, they usually existed before humanity, so why would their existence be dependent on them?

Please note: These characters don't [[IThoughtItMeant literally have to be]] [[GrandpaGod old looking gods]], it's merely a common term for them that's used both in and out of this site.

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[[folder: Anime and Manga]]
* In ''SaintBeast'', there was another set of gods led by Kronos before Zeus became the high god by destroying them (the implication being because they were AbusivePrecursors).
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[[folder:Comics]]
* [[NewGods "There came a time when the old gods died!"]]
* There are many gods throughout the ''MarvelUniverse'', and they [[PhysicalGod tend to live up to their names]]. Unfortunately for them, even they can't compare to the upper levels of the countless [[CosmicEntity Cosmic Entities]] throughout the setting.
** Marvel Cosmology is really loaded with this. Those Who Sit In The Shadows are this to Norse Gods. Elder Gods are this to all Earth Gods, Celestials Are This to Elder Gods and all gods worshiped by any race in the Universe and so-called Cube Beings (godlike beings that evolved from Cosmic Cubes) and their equals, Abstracts are this to everybody and Living Tribunal is this to Abstracts. Then we have beings like Primordial Gods, who are apparently older than Abstracts, Galactus who is older than them, coming from previous Universe and equal to Abstracts, several beings of various powers older than Galactus and Chaos King who is older than them all, being the previous Universe. Then we have bunch of beings like Shuma-Gorath, Dormammu, Stranger, Beyonder, and Nemesis who are hard to fit into cosmology, so in the end the only thing clear is that One-Above-All [[TopGod is this to everybody]].
* [[ComicBook/TheSandman The Endless]] - older than any god, respected by them all, personifications of most fundamental concepts, but not gods per se, as gods require faith and the Endless don't. They also seem to be above all nearly all godlike beings of the DCUniverse, although in the right situations, other personified entities like the Kindly Ones, Lucifer, and some others have the power to contend their influence.
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* In Literature/TheBalladOfTheWhiteHorse, [[TheBerserker Ogier]] sings a song of ancient, unknowable gods that have existed long before the Norse gods, and seek to burn and rend all that exists, god and man alike.
* The "Old Gods" from ''Literature/AmericanGods''. There's mention of lost pantheons whose names (and followers) have been entirely forgotten. There's also [[spoiler: the Land itself, something like the very first divine being humanity ever knew/created, who patiently regards the gods themselves as mayflies in much the same way they look at mortal humans]]
* In ''ASongOfIceAndFire'', the Old Gods are nameless animistic beings that are still worshipped in the North, but have no church or religious tenets; it's implied that they may be [[spoiler:the spirits of wargs whose mortal bodies died, living on within trees and animals]]. The Seven, a CrystalDragonJesus septinity, are a younger religion which came to Westeros thousands of years ago along with the Andal invasion and was codified as the official state faith by Aegon the Conqueror. There is some degree of syncretism between the two in Westeros, and people will often swear oaths "by the old gods and the new". Other religions exist as well in different parts of the world; the Lord Of Light, the Drowned God, the Many-Faced God, Mother Rhoyne...
* DavidEddings really likes this trope:
** In ''TheBelgariad'', UL and the two opposing Destinies are much more powerful than the gods (the Destinies are exactly equal in power; how they stack up to UL isn't elaborated on).
** ''Literature/TheDreamers'' has the original male and female creative powers embodied as [[spoiler:the peasant couple Ara and Omago.]]
** In ''TheElenium'', The Elder Gods of Styricum are of the EldritchAbomination variety, before they were overthrown and [[SealedEvilInACan imprisoned]] by the Younger Gods in a [[GreekMythology Titanomachy-esque]] series of events. [[GodOfEvil Azash]] was even [[spoiler:castrated, Ouranos style.]]
* In ''TheSilmarillion'', [[{{God}} Ilúvatar]], who created the world, is a GodOfGods who effectively delegates running the world after creation to the Valar, analogous to polytheistic gods/goddesses ([[AuthorAppeal technically]] the highest choir of angels, Creator/JRRTolkien being a good Catholic). Thereafter, he steps in only when the Númenóreans attack Valinor, at which point the world needs to be re-shaped to take the Blessed Realm outside the physical realm.
* The CthulhuMythos' own [[EldritchAbomination unspeakable horrors]] fit the trope, being ancient nightmares that once roamed the world before they were imprisoned, but are destined to rise again when the stars are right. There is a brief mention of some "weak gods of earth" who live in the Dreamlands under the protection of Nyarlathothep.
* The [[TheFairFolk Faerie Queens]] in ''TheDresdenFiles'' are [[PhysicalGod as good as gods]], but the Faerie ''Mothers'' (formally, the Queens Who Were) are an order of magnitude stronger and far more ancient, though they seem to be pretty restricted in how they can use their power, and don't do much during their one appearance other than offer some cryptic advice.
* In the ''{{Mithgar}}'' books, the Fates are said to be above the gods, and the Great Creator is above ''them''. Whether or not any of these exist as discreet entities or just abstractions is left ambiguous.
* The Dead Gods of MichaelMoorcock's [[ElricOfMelnibone Elric of Melniboné]] stories "While the Gods Laugh" and "Dead Gods' Homecoming". The swords Stormbringer and Mournblade were originally created to destroy them. They chose to discorporate themselves long ago because they were afraid of being completely destroyed by the swords.
* The Old Gods in the ''Literature/ArciaChronicles'', whose death at the hands of the invading [[LightIsNotGood Lightbringers]] ironically became their world's StartOfDarkness.
* Literature/{{Discworld}}:
** The world has the ice giants who were sealed away by the gods and are supposed to return at the end of the world.
** The universe at large has the Old High Ones, so far above the gods that they view gods as being roughly the same thing as humans are. There are said to be [[ArcNumber eight]], but the only one mentioned individually is Azrael, the Great Attractor and Death of Universes, whose manifestations individual [[GrimReaper Deaths]] of different worlds are. He is something like galactic in size and has a clock that tells ''Time'' what it is.
* In the Glory of the Defeated series by Lionel Suggs, the entire plot revolves around getting rid of the Old Gods, in order to replace them with New Gods.
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* There's the [[OurTitansAreDifferent Titans]] in GreekMythology, parents of the classic gods, who were overthrown by them.
** Before even them, there were the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protogenoi Protogenoi]].
* [[JapaneseMythology Izanami and Izanagi]] in Shintoist beliefs. They were the first humans, created by one god, who had them make more gods.
* NorseMythology had at least two or two-and-a-half categories of Old Gods, namely the Jotnar and the Vanir, and possibly the Alfar (Elves):
** The Jotnar were descendants of Ymir, the ur-being, who co-existed with (and was kept fed by) a primeval cow named Auðumbla. Auðumbla licked on the salty ice of Niflheim and as the ice melted, a third being was freed: Búri, the first "true" god. Odin, Vili, and Ve (Búri's grandsons) later killed Ymir and [[CreationMyth created the world]] from his corpse (the Jotnar were almost exterminated by the flood of blood from the murder -- only [[AdamAndEvePlot one couple remained to repopulate the race]], making them technically younger than the race of gods). Following this event, Odin became the father and king of the New Gods, the Aesir. The Jotnar were expelled by the Aesir from the central regions of creation but remained puissant and reknowned for their ancient wisdom, the main remaining category of Old Gods.
** The Vanir and the Alfar: If any myths of the origin of the Vanir and Alfar ever existed they have since been lost. They ''ought to'' be descendants of either Borr, Búri's son and Odin's father, or of Vili and Ve, his brothers, to keep the origin myth consistent. The Vanir and the Aesir fought a war that ended in a truce. Following this truce the Vanir were relegated to Old Gods (except for a few, notably Freyr and Freyja, who were incorporated into the Aesir). Since most of the sources we have don't mention anything about them other than the war, their practice of seidr, and their home Vanaheim we hardly know anything about them. The Alfar faded into obscurity, only barely more divine than the mortal kindreds of dvergar and humans.
** Odin himself is called "''the old God''".
* CelticMythology has the Fomorians, a semi-divine race who lived in Ireland long before the Tuatha Dé Danann showed up. Several of the Tuatha Dé Danann were themselves descended from the Fomorians, most notable of which was [[TheAce Lugh the Long Handed]].
** The Fir Bolg were also this, although they were (eventually) not quite as hostile to the Tuatha Dé Danann as the Fomorians.
* Tiamat and Apsu were the primal couple of Mesopotamian mythology, ancestors of all the gods. They then turned on the gods and tried to wipe them out. The gods fought back and, under the leadership of Marduk, won. Marduk split Tiamat in two, made heaven and earth out of her body, and became king of the gods.
* In Chinese mythology, the giant Pangu (or P'an-ku)is born in the primal chaos and sorts it out into heaven and earth. After a long life (18,000 years), he dies and, like the more violent Ymir and Tiamat, his body becomes the inventory of the world.
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* ''DungeonsAndDragons'':
** The ''ForgottenRealms'' setting has a large number of pantheons containing various deities of different power levels. Above all of these pantheons, there is Ao, also known as the Overgod. On one occasion when a god stole the Tablet of Fate from him he responded by stripping ALL gods of most of their divine powers, forcing them into their avatar forms on the material plane until the Tablet was returned. And then of course, there's a [[{{God}} being of light]] who even Ao answers to.
** The Highgod and Chaos from ''{{Dragonlance}}''.
** ''TabletopGame/{{Eberron}}'' has the three dragons - [[GoodIsNotNice Siberys the Dragon Above]], [[OmnicidalManiac Khyber the Dragon Below]] and Eberron the Dragon Between - who became the three layers of the world at the beginning of time. While there are a few cults devoted to Khyber, the other two aren't directly worshiped much.
** The Primordials in the 4th edition aren't necessarily stronger than the gods, but they certainly came before them.
** Basic D&D Immortals rules. The Immortals are the BD&D equivalent of deities. The Old Ones are a group of extremely powerful beings who are as to the Immortals as the Immortals are to mortals. If someone becomes an Immortal and reaches the highest level of Immortality ''twice'', they can join the Old Ones.
** And then there are the Elder Evils, {{Eldritch Abomination}}s that the Aboleths remember. How is this special? The Aboleths were already ancient when the gods came to be, and Elder Evils are/were older than anything the Aboleths can remember. They are not gods, but they are powerful enough to challenge them and pose a treat of world ending proportions. "Abomination" doesn't even begin to describe those horrid beings.
** Similarly vestiges also fit this mold;
---> ''"Beings that cannot exist inhabit a place that cannot be. Cursed by gods and feared by mortals, these entities fall outside the boundaries of life, death, and undeath. They are untouchable by even the most powerful deities, though they can be summoned and used by even the weakest mortal."'' - '''Tome of Magic'''
** Those most powerful gods? They'd be the "Uber Deities" even stronger than the mightiest [[DivineRanks Greater Deity]] and so far beyond the gods that while the GodsNeedPrayerBadly, they can afford not to care about such things anymore.
*** Two such beings explicitly mentioned in D&D lore include the patron of the demigod Vecna from the {{Greyhawk}} setting, a being referred to only as The Serpent, and the enigmatic Lady of Pain from {{Planescape}}, who's mentioned as a "contemporary" of The Serpent, and [[RewritingReality responsible for the 3rd edition rules]].
** Then you have the dead gods floating about the astral plane, which are implied to be able to be restored to life somehow. Such as if people start worshiping them again, but there may be more to it than that.
* ''TabletopGame/{{Exalted}}'': The Primordials, who are basically Greek Titans, but more awesome/terrible. The younger gods they created don't like them, and created the eponymous superhumans [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu to do them in]].
** The Titans from the ''TabletopGame/ScarredLands'' D&D setting are basically the same thing, as are the Titans from ''TabletopGame/{{Scion}}''. WhiteWolf loves this trope, apparently.
* ''{{Warhammer 40000}}'' has the C'tan, ancient gods that feed on the lifeforce stars and predate all sentient life in the universe, and thus the other main gods in the setting [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly who are born from the dreams and emotions of sentient beings]]. Rather than being defeated by the younger gods as is typical of this trope, most of them were instead wiped out [[TurnedAgainstTheirMasters by the army of undead robot soldiers they created to help them get rid of the new gods by killing the lifeforms that sustained them]]. Oops.
* One of the possible Imperator types in ''TabletopGame/{{Nobilis}}'' are the primordial "True Gods".
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* The ''Franchise/DragonAge'' lore has this in spades, along with DeathOfTheOldGods and varying levels of TheMagicComesBack:
** Possibly the eldest gods of Thedas were the Forgotten Ones, the "evil" gods of the Elven myths, whom the Elven Creators fought.
** The Creators, nine "good" Elven gods, seem to have supplanted the Forgotten Ones but have been supposedly betrayed by one of theirs, [[TricksterArchetype Fen'Harel]], and are currently sealed powerless in their respective otherworldly realms. Ditto the Forgotten Ones.
** Following the disappearance of the Creators and the fall of the great Elven civilization, seven powerful dragon-like beings became worshiped by the human Tevinter Imperium. They were eventually banished and sealed deep underground by [[TheMaker the]] [[CrystalDragonJesus Maker]] and became known as the "Old Gods". Something about them drives the Darkspawn to seek them out. Whenever they find one, it becomes a nigh-unstoppable Archdemon and leads them in a Blight (war on the surface). At the end of the first game, [[spoiler: it's possible to salvage the Archdemon's soul and transfer it to a human embryo, but the ritual involved is morally murky and the long-term consequences unknown.]]
* It's been referenced in the ''SilentHill'' series.
-->[-"The old gods have not left this place..."-]
* ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSkywardSword'' introduced more layers to the series pantheon: the Three Goddesses introduced in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaALinkToThePast'' are here called the [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Gods of Old]] while other less powerful divinities, like [[spoiler:[[BigGood Hylia/Zelda]] and [[BigBad Demise]]]], who seem to stand somewhere between the Golden Goddesses and the embodiments of natural powers (spirits, dragons, deku trees, great fairies, etc...), are introduced.
** The Goddesses themselves seem to be pushed into this role in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaPhantomHourglass'' and ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaSpiritTracks'', where other deities take center stage.
* In ''{{Arcanum}}'' you can find altars to the old pagan gods, who were worshiped before the rise of [[CrystalDragonJesus Panarii religion]]. Though almost forgotten in most places, it appears they are still powerful, as you can receive blessings from them.
* Played with in ''VideoGame/CookieClicker'': The elder gods are ''literal'' elders, as in old ladies...at first, at least. They start getting Lovecraftian when you piss them off.
* In ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'' there are entities that are referred to as the Old Gods because they were worshiped as such by some of the mortal factions. They are immensely powerful and entirely malevolent, and are responsible for much of the suffering the world has endured, but to entities of equal or even greater power there is nothing godly about them. For instance, the Titans, the race of SufficientlyAdvancedAliens that shaped Azeroth, refer to the Old Gods as "parasitic organisms". To them these creatures are nothing more than exceptionally malignant parasites who infest entire planets rather than single creatures. The only reason the Titans didn't destroy them was because they had infested the planet so thoroughly that excising them would destroy the planet as well.
* The name of the ''VideoGame/CrusaderKings II'' DLC that introduces pagans and Zoroastrians as playable cultures.
* In ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'''s first two games, you're told that once, the gods and demons lived in a somewhat turbulent balance with humanity. It changed when a certain somebody [[FromNobodyToNightmare got a few more followers]] and started to crush and [[{{Demonization}} demonize]] his opponents to add their power to his own, one by one. At the end, [[TheMagicGoesAway magic had been sealed]], most gods had been destroyed or imprisoned in the Abyss, and the lone guy was in command of a vast religion, so he retreated to rule in the dark. [[spoiler: If you didn't get it, the guy was [[GodIsEvil The Big Man Upstairs]], the Great Will, ''YHVH''.]]
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* In ''RustyAndCo'', [[http://rustyandco.com/comic/level-6-56/ the amplified Python summons one over the fight and the castle]]. (Writer's comment: "It's a really obscure elder god… you probably never heard of it."
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* In ''{{WesternAnimation/Gargoyles}},'' WordOfGod says that before [[PhysicalGod Oberon]] took over the [[TheFairFolk Third Race]], they were ruled by his mother, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Queen Mab]]. He overthrew her in part because she [[ParentalMarriageVeto opposed his marriage]] to [[TheChessmaster Titania]] and in part because [[AxCrazy she was insane]]. He [[SealedEvilInACan sealed her away]], but apparently [[WhatCouldHaveBeen she would have broken out]] eventually if the series continued.
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