->''"I promise you life," I replied; "but with the understanding that you serve me faithfully and none other, undertaking no business of your own, until mine has been carried to a successful conclusion."\\
"That means that I shall have to serve you for life," he replied, "for the thing you have undertaken you can never accomplish; but that is better than lying here on a cold ersite slab waiting for old Ras Thavas to come along and carve out my gizzard. I am yours! Let me up, that I may feel a good pair of legs under me again."''
-->--'''Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs''', ''[[Literature/JohnCarterOfMars The Master Men of Mars]]''

He's joined TheHero to save the day. If TheHero appealed for a group of characters to join him (a group of which he was likely the oldest or the leader, or [[TeamDad both]]), he [[RefusalOfTheCall argued against it]] and was the last to join, but [[LineInTheSand he did]], and [[DeterminedDefeatist he will work quite hard, perhaps more than anyone else on the team]]. He is likely to be one of the most skilled and useful members and may even overlap with the CynicalMentor. He may even make a HeroicSacrifice.

But if so, he will regard it as SenselessSacrifice. GrumpyBear that he is, he makes no bones about considering TheHero's {{plan}} futile, and may join only because [[PowerOfFriendship his friends are]], and anything else is also futile. Possibly even only because it's his only way to avoid DyingAlone. Often the oldest member of the group, and prone to SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids. (Though not often so gloomy as to be TheEeyore.) When it dawns on him that victory is possible, an attack of HopeIsScary is not uncommon.

In lulls in the action, he may explicitly observe that they are all going to die. Indeed, he may be the SarcasticDevotee, though he is capable of making this observation only once or twice, or not at all.

In very hard cases, tragically, he may [[OptOut decide that the effort is not worth it and leave]]. He may even encounter the {{villain}} and have a FaceHeelTurn, but this is uncommon. Usually he's no worse than the "[[KnightInSourArmor Disney Anti Hero]]".


Contrast DividedWeFall. May contrast with LeastIsFirst as his {{Foil}}, but more often is a {{foil}} for TheHero, who will likely tell him that SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers when he gets heavy on the sour. Compare with TheResenter, who actively resents the hero, and with DeterminedDefeatist, in which it's the ''hero'' who has a bad attitude about the odds of success. Often overlaps with be a KnightInSourArmor.
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[[folder: Anime and Manga ]]

* [[Franchise/SailorMoon Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune.]] [[WrongGenreSavvy Unfortunately (fortunately?) for them]], the SM-verse is a real SugarBowl at times, and everything really can be set right with ThePowerOfLove, so really, their sourness just makes them look [[{{Wangst}} Wangsty]] sometimes.
* Sawamura in ''WaGaNaWaUmishi'' is a textbook example. It's a mystery why he still works for Nanba Salvage, given his proven world-class skills and obvious disdain for Rintarou.
* Inchiki, from the first [[EatTheDog Menchi]]-[[ADayInTheLimelight Centric]] episode of ''Anime/ExcelSaga'', appears to be this. [[spoiler:We later learn that he is actually TheMole.]]
* Kai Shiden from ''MobileSuitGundam'', specially before his CharacterDevelopment.
* Serpico as a part of Guts' new entourage in ''{{Berserk}}''. He's the most cynical person in the group next to Guts himself, but he's wrapped in a [[SarcasticDevotee sarcastic layer of goodness]] that prevents him from deserting the group, primarily for [[spoiler: his half-sister]] Farnese's sake, but it goes without saying that he does care for his other companions.

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[[folder: Film ]]

* ''Franchise/StarWars'': Han Solo
* Warlock from ''Film/LiveFreeOrDieHard''.
* [=McCoy=] from ''Film/StarTrek'' is this, particularly towards Kirk. He's known to be a grouch and DeadpanSnarker, but he's loyal to Kirk, sneaking him aboard the ''Enterprise'' and arguing with Spock after the latter had [[spoiler: marooned Kirk on an icy planet]].
* ''Film/SuckerPunch'' plays with this in the character of Sweet Pea. She plays the part of Sour Supporter perfectly, even going so far as to OptOut at one point. [[spoiler: The trope play comes in when she rejoins the team and ends up the only survivor by way of the rest of the team's {{Heroic Sacrifice}}s, which "redeems" her of her sourness.]]
* In the film ''SeventeenSeventySix'' (and musical, both of which are TruthInTelevision to some extent), John Dickinson refuses to sign the Declaration of Independence, instead choosing to join the militia and fight for independence even though he believes the effort will fail.

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* In SandyMitchell's Literature/CiaphasCain novel ''Death Or Glory'', when discussing difficulties getting through a mountain range, the guide Sandy Kolfax says it hardly matters since they will all die before they get there, and later Cain catches him drinking and he professes that it does not matter, as they will all die. But he does lead them. [[spoiler:To the mountains, even. Where he dies.]]
* In Creator/GrahamMcNeill's ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' ''Literature/{{Ultramarines}}'' novel ''Dead Sky Black Sun'', when Uriel urges a group of Space Marines and two Imperial Guardsmen to help him, Vaanes, the leader of the group, was the last to agree, with the observation that he knew Uriel would be trouble. After they leave, he carefully ensures that Uriel knows they could all die. [[spoiler:He finally decides that Uriel's plans can not work and that honour is not good enough to die for.]]
* Creator/CSLewis's ''Literature/ChroniclesOfNarnia''
** In ''Literature/TheSilverChair'', Puddleglum professes, every step of the way, that they are certainly doomed to failure and death. His notion of cheering the children up is to tell them that they don't have to worry about something because they are likely to die first. Puddleglum is also said to be unusually ''optimistic and cheerful'' for a Marshwiggle - just imagine what the others would be like!
** In ''Literature/PrinceCaspian'', Trumpkin argues against sending someone to look for Peter, Susan, Edmund, and Lucy, but when the decision goes against him, volunteers to go, because he has [[WithDueRespect given his advice]] and now he must take orders.
* ''Literature/HarryPotter'':
** In ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix Order Of The Phoenix]]'', Zacharias Smith, while a member of the DA, seems never to speak unless he is berating Harry's methods. Continues even after this supreme put-down:
--> "I don't think Expelliarmus is exactly going to help us against You-Know-Who"\\
"I used it against him; it saved my life last summer."
** ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallows Deathly Hallows]]'' Aberforth Dumbledore is almost the complete opposite of his brother. At one point, he basically says that Voldemort's already won and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. It doesn't stop him from coming to the trio's aid when they need it, offering his pub as a meeting place for the Order, and courageously fighting in [[spoiler: and surviving]] the Battle of Hogwarts.
* Many of Rand Al Thor's supporters in the ''Literature/WheelOfTime'' behave like this. The man is the ChosenOne (of several prophecies and groups) but none of his disparate groups of supporters trust the other ones, and many regard him as nothing more than a loaded cannon they need to further their own ends while regarding him as an idiot who messes everything up that they need to step carefully around. To be fair Rand is pretty insane by this point, and can act idiotically, but he is a lot more competent than they give him credit for and were it not for the prevalence of this trope he would have managed to do a lot more by now. Interestingly enough, Rand is actually GenreSavvy enough to try and play the groups against each other in order to get rid of some people that are hindering him. [[XanatosGambit Its a safe bet that at least one of them will bite the dust]] but [[GeneralFailure Namely High Lord Wieramon]]. [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption It never works]].
* Grantaire in ''Literature/LesMiserables'' doesn't think much of Enjolras' revolution, but goes along with it anyway.
* In Creator/CSLewis's ''Literature/ThatHideousStrength'', the skeptic [=MacPhee=] is a valued member of the good guys' team, with the observation that he would be invaluable if they lost -- but they don't know what he'll do if they win.
* In Creator/EdgarRiceBurroughs's ''[[Literature/JohnCarterOfMars The Master Mind of Mars]]'', Gor Hajus laughs at the quest Ulysses Paxton proposes, after rousing him from a FauxDeath; if he supports him until it's done, it will be forever. He still helps him, however, since even that's better than the FauxDeath.
* In John Barnes's ''Literature/OneForTheMorningGlory'', they hear a ballad that ends with a young woman prisoner to the goblins, and [[AllMythsAreTrue since it's true]], [[GenreSavvy and they know it]], [[DamselInDistress they discuss rescuing her]]. Gorlias is as enthusiatic as any, and characters object: he's the oldest, he ''should'' be gravely warning them against it and talking of its dangers. Gorlias proceeds to discuss its dangers in a portentous tone, as if he had warned them off, but on the trip itself, he's perfectly cheerful.
* Marco from ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'' was this at first.
** [[ItsPersonal And then it got personal]].
* In GKChesterton's ''Literature/TheManWhoWasThursday'', [[spoiler:the Professor]] gravely explains the difference between himself and Syme: Syme thinks that what he proposes to do it possible, he knows it's impossible, and will nevertheless try to do it.
* In ''Literature/{{Noob}}'' [[HeManWomanHater Omega Zell]] is technically this for the feminist cause in general. He's TheOneGuy at his workplace and does his part in its feminist association to cover up what he really thinks about women. When he gets online, his female guildmates get an earfull of his real thoughts.
* In ''Literature/ThoseThatWake'', Mike is this. He thinks the world sucks, he's worthless, and he probably can't do anything to change it, but he'll fight anyway.

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* Avon from ''Series/BlakesSeven'', who later inspired similar characters like Tyr from ''Series/{{Andromeda}}''.
** Avon is a rare example of a Sour Supporter who's averted TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong at least once. He strongly argued against [[spoiler:blowing up Star One]], which turned out to cause pretty awful collateral damage for very little benefit to [[LaResistance the rebellion]], though admittedly [[spoiler:the alien invasion]] didn't exactly help either.
* Bones [=McCoy=] from ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' (although he does have [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold an idealistic streak beneath his cynical exterior]]).
* Jayne from ''Series/{{Firefly}}'' often fulfills this role.
* [[TheCoroner Medical Examiner]] Perlmutter from ''Series/{{Castle}}''.
* [[Series/SamuraiSentaiShinkenger Chiaki Tani]], at first being a rebellious kid and joining the Shinkengers just so he can surpass Takeru. While he doesn't let that one bit die out, he develops more loyalty to him. This makes him being thought as TheLancer, though he later turns out to be TheSmartGuy instead.
* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'':
** Spike became a main character specifically to do this. His job in the group, besides punching things to death, is standing on the sidelines saying "Buffy, you're stupid, and we're all gonna die."
-->'''Spike:''' (after a less than encouraging pep talk) Well, not exactly the [[HenryV St. Crispins's Day Speech]], was it?
-->'''Giles:''' We few, we happy few...
-->'''Spike:''' We band of buggered.
** He becomes a more enthusiastic Scoobie after falling in love with Buffy.
* StatlerAndWaldorf complain about every single act on ''Series/TheMuppetShow''. [[FridgeLogic And yet they have box seats for every single show.]] Arguments for why range from "They're theater critics" to "[[BileFascination They have too much fun mocking the acts]]" to the Muppet 3-D answer, "They're glued to the seats".
* Both Mika Koizumi from ''Series/ChoudenshiBioman'' and Gai Yuuki from ''Series/ChoujinSentaiJetman'' can fit into this category
* Rembrandt Brown (and to a lesser extent, Arturo) from ''Series/{{Sliders}}''. Remy's outbursts are justified, as he just happened to be driving past when the vortex opened up and pulled him along on the trip.
* Ron Swanson in ''ParksAndRecreation''. He considers his government job to be a useless joke, but admires Leslie's spirit and enthusiasm, and goes all out for her - and all his acquaintances there.

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* Kratos from ''VideoGame/TalesOfSymphonia''. In more ways than one, as you eventually learn.
* Victor Niguel in ''TraumaCenter'' - a rather unpleasant chap, but works hard to find a vaccine for GUILT.
* Magus in ''VideoGame/ChronoTrigger'', if you let him join you.
* Sonya Shulen near the end of the first ''{{Suikoden}}'', after a very hard boss fight against her. If you allow her to join, she repeatedly states that she does so in order to get the pleasure of seeing you die.
** Though after the final war, if you DO ever speak to her, it sounds like [[JerkassFacade she got better and sees you in a more positive way]].
** Also Flik. He's at first REALLY pissed that you got his lover Odessa killed. But he joins you anyway, and his mindset is like "Let's see if you're worthy of replacing Odessa." It wasn't until [[spoiler:Gremio's tragic death]] that he starts letting off with you and eventually [[CharacterDevelopment develops further]] until he's the series' EnsembleDarkHorse.
* Archer from ''FateStayNight''; you get the feeling he only helps Shirou because his contract with Rin forces him to. [[spoiler:As "Unlimited Blade Works" reveals, this is both utterly true but also an extreme simplification of Archer's true motives.]]
* Cid in ''FinalFantasyVII'' joins the party only because you took and crashed his plane and constantly complains about the other party members. However, he does end up commanding the Highwind airship crew for the player and even is promoted to party leader at one point.
** He does undergo CharacterDevelopment to become a JerkWithAHeartOfGold. Plus he has awesome [[CrowningMusicofAwesome theme music.]]
** He calls the party numbskulls, but states that he likes the idea of fighting Shinra. That, and that he doesn't see a reason to hang around Rocket Town anymore, are the only reasons he joins.
* Xan, the clinically depressed enchanter in ''BaldursGate''. He is very vocal about how your quest is futile, but he helps you anyway, presumably because he sees ''everything else in the world'' as equally pointless.
* Nick in ''VideoGame/Left4Dead2'' fits this trope to a T. He sees Coach as a foolishly optimistic and finds Ellis so incredibly naive and stupid that he won't care if Ellis gets left behind. He also constantly complains about everything, between mud from the swamps and flooding from a storm. Despite all this, Nick stays with the group because being alone would get him killed by the zombies.
* Morrigan from ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', and [[{{Golem}} Shale]] the DLC character.
* Any companion with enough rivalry in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeII''. Some will consistently begrudge the player's support of mages or templars, and Isabella won't believe she returned [[MacGuffin The Artifact]] she originally stole.
* Clive Handforth from ''LittleBigPlanet 2.''
* Subject 16 in ''VideoGame/AssassinsCreedRevelations''. He's rude to Desmond, borderline mocks [[spoiler:Lucy's death]] and seems to be plotting some sort of GrandTheftMe. [[spoiler:And then he pulls a HeroicSacrifice and saves Desmond from deletion.]]
** The second one is somewhat justified in that [[spoiler:Clay knew that Lucy was actually a Templar agent all along.]]
*** Also, [[spoiler:Lucy is the one essentially responsible for his shattered mind and his suicide, so really, he was far more respectful than he had any right to be]]. Still a sourpuss about the other stuff, though to be absolutely fair, being dead ''and'' crazy is enough to make anyone a little bit cranky.
* The ''VideoGame/StarFox'' team's second AcePilot, Falco Lombardi, doesn't think too highly of [[TheHero Fox]] and is OnlyInItForTheMoney.
* ''PlanescapeTorment'' features a Baatzu (a race of LawfulEvil demons) who was bound into a lifetime of good deeds by the angel Trias, to last until the angel's death. As such, he has to do everything he can to accommodate the Nameless One when he shows up on his doorstep, but he's more than happy to let him know that sure as hell isn't going to ''enjoy'' it.

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* Rocky the rogue from ''OurLittleAdventure'' didn't really want to join the group, but he frequently does give them his best.
* Karkat from ''Webcomic/{{Homestuck}}'' shows no respect for anyone, insults everyone he meets, gripes a lot and [[FailureHero has grown grimly accustomed to disaster at every turn]], but is near-religiously devoted to the good of his group and, after some early false starts, the human kids too, even if there are times he clearly wants to strangle them.
* Pato, from ''[[Webcomic/M9Girls M9 Girls!]]'' is not always fond of the other girls' decisions, from being treated with cosmic radiation to Karla's choice of [[MiniDressOfPower costumes]].

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* Kirby from ''TheBraveLittleToaster'' certainly didn't keep his objections to himself when the group set out to find the master.
--> "I just ''know'' I'm gonna regret this..."
* ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'':
** Sokka is cynical, started out thinking Aang could be a Fire Nation spy, and initially objected to going on this journey, but by the end of the series, through CharacterDevelopment, he becomes a great leader and [[TookALevelInBadass warrior]]. Lampshaded at one point when Sokka complains that apparently the rest of the team has decided he is the "Plan Guy" and he always has to be the one to come up with something to save the day. Toph points out that he's also "the Complaining Guy", but Sokka says he is actually OK with filling that role.
** Katara also becomes this at the start of the second half of Book 3 [[spoiler: when Zuko joins the Gaang; understandably, she's not happy since he's tried to capture and/or kill them for a while and betrayed Aang and Katara the one time she let her guard down. She makes it vocal that she isn't happy Zuko is there (even when he saves them from Azula) and it's only when Zuko aids her in finding her mother's killer that she finally trusts him.]]
* Stork from ''WesternAnimation/StormHawks''. He's very cynical, but has a calm acceptance of everything that happens.
* Rattrap from ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'' is cynical, sarcastic, complains about every plan, responds to every negative turn of events with "We're All Gonna Die", and starts out incredibly reluctant to put his life on the line. Nevertheless, he's never seriously considered abandoning his friends, even jumping into the fray to try and rescue even [[VitriolicBestBuds Dinobot]].
* Lance of ''SymBionicTitan'' often falls victim to a two to one vote.
** Specifically, in ''Under The Three Moons'' after saying he doesn't want to go to the school dance, Ilana and Octus make him go anyway. The same thing happened in the matter of whether he brought a date or not.
** In ''A Family Crisis'', after the trio get a distress call from Soloman, Lance brushes it off and asks for more cake. Ilana and Octus, however, think they should save him anyway even though they agree with Lance that Soloman's a jerk and doesn't deserve saving.
--> "How is it that everyone agrees with me, but we're still doing this?"
* In the first few episodes of ''WesternAnimation/{{Recess}}'', Vince was this. This faded, and was given to Spinelli on a few occasions.

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