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->''"[[Creator/BrianKVaughan Vaughan]] was last seen working on a revival of ''Comicbook/SwampThing'' over at [[Creator/VertigoComics Vertigo]], which is tantamount to wearing a sign around your neck saying 'I am not Creator/AlanMoore, please kick me'."''
-->-- '''Paul O'Brien''', ''[[http://www.housetoastonish.com/ The X-Axis]]''

One fun aspect of being a fan is that you can ascribe the WordOfGod selectively. Sure, Alice may own the franchise, but it's Bob--the writer, the producer, whatever--who left such an indelible impression on the property that, in your opinion, Bob is who made it ''good''.

This trope is, naturally, more common with long-running properties with multiple creators, which is why there are so many examples from American ComicBooks. When a character like Franchise/{{Superman}} or Franchise/{{Batman}} has literally thousands of stories told by hundreds of writers over a period of many decades, it's not surprising that this trope comes into play.

Compare AdaptationDisplacement, CantUnHearIt, BetterThanCanon, and CoveredUp. When done with a singular character, it may be a result of being the CreatorsFavorite. Contrast RunningTheAsylum, where such people are often regarded as [[WickedStepmother evil step-parents]], and OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight, where fans think a work is better when its creator is actively involved in it.



[[folder:Anime & Manga]]
* ''Anime/SpaceBattleshipYamato'' (a.k.a. ''Anime/StarBlazers'') suffered from an effective custody battle between its original creator Yoshinobu Nishizaki and the legendary Creator/LeijiMatsumoto (who rewrote much of the premise as soon as he joined the project, and has the critics and most of the fanbase on his side). Both creators have attempted their own {{Revival}}s of ''Yamato'', with various degrees of success, and the dispute escalated into a legal battle. After Nishizaki's death in 2009, the 2012 ContinuityReboot ''Anime/SpaceBattleshipYamato2199'' has won most of the fanbase over.
* ''Anime/TenchiMuyo'': The many {{Alternate Universe}}s of the franchise tend to be associated with their creators. Masaki Kajishima is currently responsible for the OVA continuity, the most beloved by the fanbase; however, the mixed response to the newest set of releases has left some fans longing for Hiroki Hayashi, co-creator of the original six episodes and creator of ''Anime/ElHazardTheMagnificentWorld''. He, along with Naoko Hasegawa, were largely responsible for setting the tone for the first OVA releases. After they left, fans have noted a downward slide in quality in the series. It could be said that Hayashi [[HyperCompetentSidekick played]] Irvin Kershner to Kajishima's George Lucas. Whatever talent Kajishima has at creating ideas, he needs someone to keep him focused off of [[GodModeSue all powerful]] [[AuthorAvatar author avatars]] and an excessive focus on [[UnwantedHarem fanservice fantasy.]]
* ''Manga/GetterRobo'' is a bit of a convoluted example. The basic premise was thought up by Creator/GoNagai, but everything else was done by Creator/KenIshikawa. Most people usually think of it as a Go Nagai series, though, since a) he's more famous, b) it's produced by his company, Creator/DynamicProductions and c) the art style Ishikawa used for the first few installments of the series is identical to Nagai's, though his artwork became slightly more [[Creator/JackKirby Kirby]]-esque than Nagai's as time went on.
* ''Franchise/DragonBall''. While the manga is done by Creator/AkiraToriyama only, and the anime adaptation is pretty faithful to it despite the filler, there are some interpretations on the characters that are considered vastly superior to Toriyama own intent.
** Bardock, the father of Goku, is an odd case, as he wasn't written originally by Toriyama. Instead, Bardock was the focus of a special caled [[Anime/DragonBallZBardockTheFatherOfGoku "The Father of Goku"]], which dealed with the destruction of Planet Vegeta. The tragic nature of the character who didn't have anything heroic to his name other than friendship with his fallen comrades, and died by the hand of Frieza without doing much, was so memorable it made Bardock the BreakoutCharacter he is known today. When Toriyama decided to write him in [[Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman ''Dragon Ball Minus'']], most of the critical reception has been negative since it wasn't like [[ToughActToFollow in the animated special]]. As such, Bardock real daddy is mostly considered to be Takao Koyama, the writer of the special, than Toriyama himself.
** On the same token, Koyama's interpretation of Future Trunks and Future Gohan in the [[Anime/DragonBallZTheHistoryOfTrunks second animated special]] are considered to be vastly superior to Toriyama own version, "Trunks: the story". The main difference with both versions is that Trunks was already a Super Saiyan and couldn't save Gohan. In the animated special, however, Gohan's tragic death is what makes Trunks to transform for the first time. There is a reason why Trunks transformation is considered such a powerful SignatureScene.
** Minor example, Android 16. While both versions of the character are the same, the anime added more scenes to the manga, and made Android 16 a more effective character, since in the manga, his character traits like his liking of nature are more of a InformedAttribute.
** Like with Bardock and Future Trunks in their animated specials written by Takao Koyama, some people prefer the way Zamasu and Goku Black (expecially the last one) are written by anime writer Tomioka Atsuhiro in ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' compared with the manga version (Done by Toyotaro instead of Toriyama, in this case). Future Trunks and Future Mai also get this to a certain extent by having a bigger protagonistic role in their own saga, with much needed CharacterDevelopment and an efective GutPunch. Of course, like everything in ''Dragon Ball'', this is up to debate.
* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'': Jessie, James, and Meowth are a good, but little-known example of this. Creator/TakeshiShudo, the show's original head writer, created the trio. Even though the characters have appeared in all but a few episodes of the show to date, when you watch the episodes and movies he wrote, it's clear who created the trio and truly knows what they're all about. In fact, he's written [[http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Translating_the_Blog_Entries_of_Mr._Shudo many, many blog articles]] in Japanese concerning Team Rocket, their origins, personalities, and even philosophy (!), and stated he does not like the RunningGag character route they took after his departure from the anime.
* While Monkey Punch still has plenty of credit for creating Franchise/LupinIII, his cast, and concepts, Creator/HayaoMiyazaki's work on the character throughout the [[Anime/LupinIIIGreenJacket first TV series]], [[Anime/TheCastleOfCagliostro second theatrical film]], and [[Anime/LupinIIIRedJacket second TV series]] is also cited on what helped make the character what he is today, taking Lupin in a LighterAndSofter direction by giving him more noble qualities like his namesake and having him go from a sleazeball and [[BlackComedyRape borderline rapist]] to a ChivalrousPervert.

* Creator/FrankFrazetta's paintings of Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian are what made him the iconic character he is today. The first ''[[Film/ConanTheBarbarian1982 Conan]]'' film intentionally drew more from Frazetta's art than Creator/RobertEHoward's stories.

[[folder:Comic Books]]
* Creator/CarlBarks is largely seen as the father of the ComicBook/DisneyDucksComicUniverse, to the point that Disney broke its tradition of not heavily featuring artists' names on its comic covers.
** Barks was the creator of Scrooge [=McDuck=], Gladstone Gander, the Beagle Boys, Gyro Gearloose, Magica [=DeSpell=] and the entire supporting cast and RoguesGallery of that world. Only Donald, his nephews, and Daisy Duck were created before by Disney and his animators. And in the case of Donald, one can argue that Barks more or less made him into a three-dimensional character and comics icon since as noted by Creator/ArtSpiegelman, unlike "that short-tempered little thing in the animated cartoons", Barks' Donald had grit, persistence, and a tenacity that were legitimately compelling virtues to mix with his bad luck and other self-destructive qualities, making him a highly relatable, flawed and tragic character, beloved across the world.
** This is buoyed by the fact that ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales1987'', much beloved by nostalgic [[TheEighties 1980s]] babies, is mostly taken from Barks' work and the ''WesternAnimation/DuckTales2017'' is even more faithful to Barks' comics, treating it as canon. To better understand this, consider that before him, all WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck stories had NegativeContinuity. Now, Barks stories are considered continuity that almost all writers follow.
* ''Comicbook/SuicideSquad'' has John Ostrander, who took the idea of a team of {{Boxed Crook}}s and made it ''work''.
** And even among the ranks of the Squad, Deadshot stands out as the character whom Ostrander most redefined, to the extent that all subsequent versions of Deadshot are basically riffs on his.
* The team of Marv Wolfman and Creator/GeorgePerez didn't create ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'', but their much-celebrated run is responsible for the title as we know it today, and is the basis of the just as beloved [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans animated version]]. Roy Thomas is the adopted father of Golden Age DC heroes, with James Robinson, David S. Goyer and especially Creator/GeoffJohns taking over this role since the new millennium.
* Many of the characters featured in the [=Giffen=]/[=DeMatteis=] era of the ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueInternational'' were never as beloved before or since that run--so much so that the most recent ''ComicBook/BoosterGold'' series (which some consider better than most of the stories told in JLI) constantly refers back to that time, as does Justice League: Generation Lost.
* Creator/SteveDitko created ComicBook/TheQuestion as a mouthpiece for Creator/AynRand's UsefulNotes/{{Objectivism}} philosophy, but Dennis O'Neil's run on him in the 1980s is considered the definitive version of the character: a martial artist with insatiable curiosity. Others simply consider this groundwork for the Franchise/{{DCAU}} version, leading to an odd conundrum in that the DCAU's version of the character is clearly inspired by [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} Rorschach]]...who was written partly as an {{Expy}} for The Question. Meaning that Creator/AlanMoore is in the running for this status for a character ''he never actually wrote for''.
* ''ComicBook/XMen'':
** Creator/ChrisClaremont, pushing it from a failed [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] idea into the Franchise/MarvelUniverse's biggest cash cow. ComicBook/{{Magneto}} can especially be considered his "baby". While the character existed long before he came along (having been introduced in the very first issue), he was, in his original form, your typical over-the-top villain ''and then some''. It was Claremont who fleshed him out into the WellIntentionedExtremist we know him as today, before bringing him through an affecting HeelFaceTurn (This turned out to be [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor the first of many, though]]). To the fans, he's known as the "Father of X(-men)". It was also during the Claremont era, that the X-Men came to be seen as an allegory for the Civil Rights Movement and as a metaphor for minority rights.
** Subverted with Fabian Nicieza; while he is largely seen as the definitive writer for Comicbook/{{Gambit}} (writing his original series), Claremont's take on Gambit is still considered by many to be the superior version as far as the fact that Claremont's Gambit was a happy-go lucky thief as opposed to Nicieza's brooding angst-filled version. It also helps that Claremont loved pairing ComicBook/{{Storm}} and Gambit up together as a platonic duo whereas Nicieza preferred pairing Gambit up with Rogue for wangst-fueled storylines.
* ''Comicbook/BlackPanther''
** Creator/{{Christopher Priest|Comics}} is this for the character, to the point that it's made it nearly impossible for any other writer to have success with the character. Creator/ReginaldHudlin's series did OK... right up until he stopped copying Priest and started trying to do his own thing, at which point sales immediately tanked. This is an odd case, because Priest's run didn't sell particularly well, but has nonetheless become the go-to interpretation of the character.
** Don [=McGregor=] as well. He was the first writer to really do serious world-building for Wakanda, and introduced Erik Killmonger, who went on to become one of Black Panther's most popular villains. Most subsequent runs (including Priest's) have drawn on [=McGregor=]'s work to some degree.
* Most people who know ''ComicBook/SpirouAndFantasio'' consider Creator/AndreFranquin as the series' father, regardless of whether or not they know it existed before: Franquin made it the Spirou we remember, and artists Tome and Janry were faithful to that (except maybe towards the end).
* Franchise/{{Batman}}'s status as LongRunners owes itself greatly to the ability of several artists to adapt him and take him to different directions:
** Starting right at the beginning, Creator/BillFinger actually did ''far'' more to create Franchise/{{Batman}} himself than his more famous boss, Bob Kane (who ''did'' come up with the name). It was Finger who invented the idea of Batman as a detective, the design of the costume, the Bruce Wayne identity and origin, Robin and the RoguesGallery: Catwoman, the Joker and the name "Gotham City". The number of UnbuiltTrope in the original comics, Joker's original unfunny characterization, greater violence, Batman's overall harshness, means that it remains a touchstone for later writers, with Finger's stories being ArmedWithCanon by Creator/AlanMoore and Creator/GrantMorrison. Finger finally started to get credited by DC in late 2015.
** The Dick Sprang era introduced the aesthetic of Batman that eventually transferred into the Series/{{Batman}} TV Show. Bright splashy colours, multiple sidekicks, goofy and gimmicky villains, multiple puns, the "Holy...Batman" speech patterns, and a greater than usual quotient of homoeroticism and {{Camp}}. Whether you LoveItOrHateIt, Sprang defined the imagination of Batman and Gotham for three decades.
** Dennis O'Neil has possibly the farthest-reaching influence on the character in his long history. It was him (with artists like Neal Adams and Jim Aparo) who took Batman from the sci-fi and camp of the 50s and 60s (both [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks in print]] and [[Series/{{Batman}} on screen]]) to the Dark Knight people recognize today. He also introduced Arkham Asylum, basically invented the idea of Batman's RoguesGallery being both mentally ill and [[{{Foil}} reflections of Batman's own psyche,]] and introduced a host of new and revived villains (including Ra's Al-Ghul and Two-Face). Later, he would become the editor of the Batman line and be the central creative influence on post-Crisis Batman, including editing Frank Miller's era-defining work and 90s mega-events like ''Knightfall'' and ''No Man's Land''.
** Franchise/{{Batman}} fans tend to be divided over which 'reboot' of the character best redefined him for the new generation; Creator/FrankMiller's bleak near-{{Deconstruction}} ''ComicBook/TheDarkKnightReturns'', Creator/TimBurton's gothic films -- Film/{{Batman}} and Film/BatmanReturns -- which introduced the idea of Gotham City being a blend of {{Bizarrchitecture}}, and gave Batman a Grappling Hook and Line Launcher leading to Creator/BruceTimm and Alan Burnett's more family-friendly but still FilmNoir-flavored ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'', which kicked off the Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse. It can honestly be said that Timm, Burnett, and Creator/PaulDini were Mr. Freeze's daddies for giving him a tragic backstory, and in this vein, also Mike Mignola. He designed Mr. Freeze for the animated series.
** ComicBook/TheJoker's origin story in Creator/AlanMoore's ''ComicBook/TheKillingJoke''. Although Joker was already re-defined as we know him in the 70s, for example by Steve Englehart, the idea of Joker and Batman being mutual {{Shadow Archetype}}s of OrderVersusChaos (a dynamic transferred to the Franchise/{{DCAU}}, Film/TheDarkKnight and the VideoGame/BatmanArkhamSeries) comes from him. Likewise, one can say that Creator/HeathLedger was responsible for Joker's revival as an anarchist nihilist, with only minimal grounding in the clown and show-business motif that had typified him for decades.
** Bill Finger and Dick Sprang may have created ComicBook/TheRiddler, but Frank Gorshin's portrayal of him on [[Series/{{Batman}} the 1960s Batman TV show]] is what made him a major member of Batman's RoguesGallery for years to come. Some portrayals of him have dialed back the camp, but without Gorshin's manic popularity, there would be no Riddler today. He was also the one who designed the character's now-iconic "green suit and bowler hat" look, because he hated wearing the original spandex outfit. (And surprisingly, he also had a great influence on the portrayal of the ''Joker'' - Gorshin's split-second flips from manic laughing to hissing, homicidal determination was a major influence on the Joker's 70s character revival.)
** Though ComicBook/PoisonIvy has been around since the '60s, before Creator/NeilGaiman's Secret Origins issue about her she had little personality beyond being a FemmeFatale. Gaiman established her plant obsession and detachment from humanity, which have endured as her defining character traits, and reworked into the film and animated versions.
* Creator/AlanMoore was not the first or the last comics writer to work on ''Comicbook/SwampThing'', but virtually everyone regards his run as the definitive one.
** When people talk about both ''[[ComicBook/{{Miracleman}} Marvelman]]'' ''and ComicBook/{{Supreme}}'', it's almost always his take on the characters they're talking about.
** He would be one for Glory, but his plans for her never went beyond issue #0 and finally the title was snatched from him by Joe Keatinge and Sophie Campbell (then using the name Ross Campbell), who rewrote her entire history and redesigned her as something much cooler than the MsFanservice she previously was.
** He also happened to be on the other end of this trope at least once. Back when he was writing ComicBook/WildCATS he created an antagonist known as T.A.O., but these days when somebody talks about this character it's probably in context of Creator/EdBrubaker's ''{{ComicBook/Sleeper}}''.
* Similarly, the character of ComicBook/JohnConstantine, who Moore created during his tenure with Swampy before being spun off into his own series, has this relationship with Creator/GarthEnnis.
** Jamie Delano and/or Creator/MikeCarey are also in the running for this.
** Ennis also has Real Daddy status for ComicBook/ThePunisher, being one of the first to nail down a consistent characterization of the vigilante in his 2000 reboot.
*** Before Garth Ennis came along, Creator/ChuckDixon's lengthy run on Punisher's solo title cemented the character who started out as a VillainOfTheWeek in Comicbook/SpiderMan.
* And just like Moore is remembered for ''Comicbook/SwampThing'', Creator/SteveGerber's reimagining of similarly-swampy hero ''Comicbook/ManThing'' is considered definitive.
* ''Comicbook/AnimalMan'' isn't much talked about where Creator/GrantMorrison isn't involved.
** Nor is ''Comicbook/DoomPatrol''.
** And the Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica. Suffice to say, if you call them the JLA (and not [[InitialismTitle for the sake of expediency]]), you're a Morrison fan. If you call them the Justice League, it's the DCAU or others.
* For ''ComicBook/IronMan'', while the original creators like Creator/StanLee, Creator/JackKirby and Don Heck created much of the elements of the character, it was the team of David Michelinie and Bob Layton in the late 1970s and early 1980s who established the definitive modern take of the character. This includes inserting Jim Rhodes, the specialized armors, and Stark's emotional frailty problem, especially concerning alcohol.
** Rhodey is especially notable for taking over as Iron Man for a while after their run. Michelinie clearly didn't like this idea (the first thing he did when he returned to the title was get Rhodey out of the Iron Man suit), but it stuck; Tony soon gave Rhodey a unique suit with the codename Comicbook/WarMachine, which he still uses today.
** Michelinie and Layton had ''two'' runs, the first of which contained "Demon In A Bottle", the second of which contained "Armor Wars". They got to define Iron Man, and then go back and ''re''define him a few years later.
** Also while Iron Man's archenemy, the Mandarin, was created by Lee and Heck, the character suffered severely due to ValuesDissonance and was in danger of being phased out entirely. Matt Fraction used his epic-length ''Invincible Iron Man'' run to completely overhaul the character, ditching the YellowPeril elements and making him a brilliant MagnificentBastard villain who was Iron Man's [[Franchise/SherlockHolmes Moriarty]]. He redefined the character and brought him back from the brink of obscurity.
* Stan Lee and Bill Everett (with some elements from Wally Wood) may have created ''ComicBook/{{Daredevil}}'', but today, several creators have a very strong claim to being the definitive writer of the character.
** Creator/FrankMiller's run in the eighties is still to this day a reference.
** The Creator/BrianMichaelBendis and Creator/EdBrubaker runs are considered high points of American comics in the early 21st century (Bendis was even nominated in the prestigious Angoulême festival for best album).
** Creator/MarkWaid managed to bring back the character's light side, while being widely acclaimed by fans of earlier, darker takes on the character.
* Greg Farshtey started out as the writer for the ''Franchise/{{Lego}} ComicBook/{{Bionicle}}'' comics (in addition to writing for Lego's magazine and catalogs) before expanding to almost all of the line's written story material, from the novels to online serials. Not only that, but Farshtey lets fans contact him personally with questions, leading to a few bits of AscendedFanon. He will also reveal tidbits of info before they "officially break" if someone asks the right question.
** Christian Faber, who developed the original story concept behind the line, has in recent years all but replaced Farshtey in a lot of fans' eyes, especially when it was revealed just how much he had contributed to the universe's development, as well as its media.
* SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}} was originally created by Creator/RobLiefeld as an {{Expy}} of DC's Comicbook/{{Deathstroke}}. But then two people happened:
** Fabian Nicieza distinguished Wade from Deathstroke by giving him a cruelly ironic origin story, a sidekick, Weasel, and a sense of humour that quickly made him popular enough to support a regular series written by Joe Kelly. He also greatly expanded on the one non-Expy trait Liefeld had given Deadpool, his MotorMouth tendencies, into the constantly-wisecracking occassionally-HeroicComedicSociopath we all know and love. (This was practically a habit for Nicieza, who fleshed out other Liefeld character designs into lasting characters, including Comicbook/{{Cable}}, Shatterstar and Domino.)
** Joe Kelly wrote Deadpool's first ongoing series, giving him a larger supporting cast (now also including T-Ray and Blind Al in addition to Weasel), a more detailed origin story, and his penchant for breaking the fourth wall.
* ''ComicBook/NickFury'' = Creator/JimSteranko.
* ''[[Franchise/TheFlash Flash]]'' writers tend to have, appropriately enough, long runs. Cary Bates was ''the'' Barry Allen writer, with around 150 issues to his credit during his 13 years on the title. And although Wally West owes a lot to Bill Messner-Loebs and Creator/GeoffJohns, his Real Daddy is without a doubt Creator/MarkWaid. Waid added Jay Garrick and other speedsters to the supporting cast and established the Flash Family concept, brought an epic feel with the introduction of the Speed Force, and made Wally one of the most relatable heroes around; he brought ''The Flash'' back from B-list to A-list status, and the title has stayed there ever since. Noticeably, the Speed Force has made it to ''every'' adaption of the Flash since its first appearance, and if the Flash inhabits a world where the LegacyCharacter concept exists, there ''will'' be a Flash family.
** At the least, Johns gets parental rights to the Flash Rogues. Under his pen, they went from a group of gimmicky, two-dimensional characters into one of the more twisted, yet complex rogues galleries in the DC Universe.
* The ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' will always be defined by the immortal hundred-issue starting run of Creator/StanLee and Creator/JackKirby. Second place goes to Creator/JohnByrne, who wrote and drew the definitive ''modern'' FF.
** Out of all the people who worked on Marvel's First Family after Byrne, the two most fondly remembered runs, which had the most lasting impact and helped redefine the characters for new audiences, are respectively Creator/MarkWaid's and Creator/JonathanHickman's.
* ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' have Roy Thomas; Creator/StanLee and Creator/JackKirby may have created the title, but Thomas created the definitive original Avengers character, ComicBook/TheVision, and two of its major recurring villains ó the Grim Reaper and Ultron ó and introduced a number of ideas, characters, and tropes to the franchise that are used to this very day. Even the 2003 redefinition by Creator/BrianMichaelBendis calls back to the Thomas era fairly often.
* Franchise/WonderWoman was created by William Marston, but for the modern take on the character, Creator/GeorgePerez and his ComicBook/PostCrisis recreation of the character is definitive. A number of fans also put Creator/GregRucka or Creator/GailSimone's run on a similar level.
** DC clearly ''intended'' for Brian Azzarello's take to be definitive (particularly given that a version of his origin was used for the [[Film/WonderWoman2017 movie]]), but Greg Rucka's subsequent ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'' run moved away from it.
* Creator/WaltSimonson's [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]]. It's telling that any list of the greatest Thor stories of all time will be largely populated by stories by Simonson, who injected a sense of myth and epic (particularly the battle between Thor and Jormungandr, when the entire issue was written in epic verse) to a previously forgettable series, making Loki far more complex and interesting than his previous incarnations. Basically, he did for Thor what Claremont did for the X-Men.
** The question of who Thor's modern dad is remains open, though some posit Straczynski, who brought Thor back after Ragnarok, while others posit Jason Aaron's Thor run - even fans who dislike the new Thors (first [[spoiler: Jane Foster]], then the new 'War Thor' in [[spoiler: Volstagg]]) admit that his initial Thor run, which explored the Nine Realms more, created new antagonists in the spectacularly creepy Gorr the God Butcher and the deceptively dangerous Roxxon CEO Dario Agger [[spoiler: (who can transform into the Minotaur, though he's actually less dangerous like this, since Thor can beat the crap out of him with impunity)]], and explored Thor's insecurities and personal doubts over his worthiness and the worthiness of gods in general, as well as bringing Malekith the Accursed back after over a decade of being PutOnABus (aside from a brief, comical appearance in the ''Incredible Hercules'') as an AxCrazy MagnificentBastard and making him the central villain of the series going forward. On the flip side Aaron absolutely cannot measure up to Kieron Gillen's (or Al Ewing's, and many others') interpretation of Loki in the eyes of most fans.
* James Robinson has taken the position of the ComicBook/ScarletWitch's Real Daddy, after writing a well-received solo series and pointing out that if you ask people to define Wanda's personality, it's either 'aloof and quiet' or 'completely batshit insane'.
* Fans are divided on just who Comicbook/SpiderMan's Real Daddy is, both in terms of the artist and the writer.
** Depending on who you ask, Spidey's definitive artist is either co-creator Creator/SteveDitko or John Romita, Sr., and Spidey's definitive writer is either co-creator Creator/StanLee or J.M. [=DeMatteis=]. And then there's the endless debates over whether Creator/StanLee or his artists (primarily Ditko and Romita) deserve more credit for the original [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] stories. All three debates have a tendency to turn quite vicious. In any case, Ditko, as per Lee himself, came up with the costumes, design and looks of not only Spider-Man but his supporting cast and RoguesGallery, and did most of the plots near the end. John Romita, Sr. on the other hand redesigned the look of not only Peter Parker (giving him an ArtEvolution that has mostly been Peter's default look across cartoons and other media) but also created Peter's gang (making Harry Osborn his best friend, starting the LoveTriangle between Gwen Stacy and Mary Jane, and designing the classic looks of both characters). Romita's features more or less shows up across many adaptations, with Harry Osborn being retroactively made into Peter's best friend (as can be seen in the ''Film/SpiderManTrilogy''), relegating many of Ditko's run to EarlyInstallmentWeirdness.
** Roger Stern's run is also considered to be a big highlight of the character's history, and the Hobgoblin - the most prominent villain and storyline developed during his run - is considered to not only be a fan favorite character, but one of the last great Spider-Man villains.
** Creator/BrianMichaelBendis has had the biggest influence on the Spider-Man run since Ditko and Romita. His run on ''ComicBook/UltimateSpiderMan'' was so successful and influential that many parts of it became adapted into games, cartoons and the most recent Spider-Man films, with ''Film/TheAmazingSpiderMan2'' borrowing the Richard Parker backstory from ''Ultimate Venom'' and ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'' including via CompositeCharacter and SettingUpdate many parts of his Ultimate run. He's also the co-creator and writer of the very popular ''ComicBook/MilesMorales''.
** There's also the battle over Comicbook/{{Venom}}, split between Creator/JimShooter (who introduced the black costume in ''ComicBook/SecretWars''), Randy Schueller (a fan who drew up the black costume), Mike Zeck (who finalized and introduced the costume), David Michelinie (who created Eddie Brock and merged him with the symbiote) and Todd [=McFarlane=] (who designed Venom). This was bitter enough to prompt [=McFarlane=] to leave Marvel and start Creator/ImageComics. Michelinie is usually given the MyRealDaddy status.
* Speaking of Creator/BrianMichaelBendis, while the character can be polarizing, ComicBook/LukeCage has become more of a mainstream character under his pen.
** On that note, Mary Joe Duffy is considered to be the reason ''[[ComicBook/LukeCageHeroForHire Power Man]] and [[ComicBook/ImmortalIronFist Iron Fist]]'' is such a fondly-remembered series. And, as mentioned below, Creator/MattFraction and Creator/EdBrubaker are this for Iron Fist.
* Creator/SteveDitko may have created ComicBook/SquirrelGirl, but it was Dan Slott that made her into the character that she is today.
** Ryan North and Erica Henderson are latter-day paternity candidates for their work on Squirrel Girl's 2015 series. While both Slott and North portray her as a relentless optimist, Slott's Squirrel Girl is generally a comedic foil in rather dark plots while North's is more earnest, empowering, and child-reader-friendly.
* Paul Levitz is frequently considered this for ''ComicBook/{{Legion of Super-Heroes}}'', as he wrote the series during its height and wrote the defining story arcs for many of the franchises's heroes and villains. Creator/JimShooter also has quite a claim, having created most of the Legin's most recognizable rogues (the Fatal Five, Dr. Regulus, Universo, Mordru) and penning the iconic Ferro Lad HeroicSacrifice that established the Legion's attention to continuity and AnyoneCanDie aspect.
* Creator/PeterDavid often gets this with ''[[ComicBook/IncredibleHulk The Hulk]]'', adding a lot of depth and characterization to Bruce Banner and other supporting characters.
** He also gets this with several characters in ComicBook/XFactor, with David taking the credit for taking a team of CListFodder & making them interesting characters (something he actually expressed an actual preference for). Some examples:
*** Jamie Madrox (Multiple Man) was originally a purely gimmicky background character, his power being that he could make multiple clones of himself. David actually bothered to take full advantage of this concept, as well as getting inside the head of a man who could never really be "alone", and turned Madrox into an interesting character.
*** Layla Miller was originally the LivingMacGuffin in the ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'' CrisisCrossover. Under David, she moved from [[OracularUrchin knowing stuff]], to [[spoiler:[[SheIsAllGrownUp travelling to the future as a tweenager & returning an attractive young woman]] who is dealing with the fact that her power ''isn't'' knowing the future, but [[BlessedWithSuck the ability to bring beings back from recent death]], [[CameBackWrong but without a conscience]]]].
*** Shatterstar might be his Most Triumphant Example. Added to the X-Factor roster because ''nobody else would want him'', he went from being a throwaway Creator/RobLiefeld creation, to an adorably LargeHam EnsembleDarkHorse [[BiTheWay bisexual]] interested in AnythingThatMoves but determinedly forging a relationship with his teammate Rictor.
* Between adding her to replace Ben Grimm in the ComicBook/FantasticFour and her solo title, which was one of the longest running featuring a female character as the star, Creator/JohnByrne better defines ComicBook/SheHulk than her creator, Creator/StanLee.
* Creator/MattFraction and Creator/EdBrubaker's run on ''ComicBook/ImmortalIronFist'', which laid down a lot of new ground for the character and was almost universally praised.
* Although Marv Wolfman created ComicBook/{{Blade}} in 1973, Creator/DavidGoyer's film version of the character significantly altered his origin and mythos and helped popularize him. The comic was altered to better reflect film continuity.
* The Image/[=WildStorm=] team ''ComicBook/{{Stormwatch}}'' was originally created by Jim Lee and Brandon Choi, but Creator/WarrenEllis' DarkerAndEdgier run on the title is considered the point where it [[GrowingTheBeard Grew The Beard]]. ''ComicBook/TheAuthority'' spun off from characters, plotlines, and themes introduced in Ellis' run -- which speaks for itself.
** [=DV8=] were created by Jim Lee, Brandon Choi and Scott J. Campbell as a bunch of PsychoRangers for ComicBook/{{Gen13}}. Once Ellis got his hands on them, in only eight issues he made them much more complicated and interesting, and every writer that took their series later followed in his footsteps. Fourteen years later however, he would pass the title of their real daddy to Creator/BrianWood, who earned it thanks to the extremely popular ''Gods And Monsters'' miniseries.
* Marvel's ''ComicBook/TheTransformers'' comic was originally written by Bob Budiansky, but it was the work of Simon Furman, who started out writing {{filler}} strips for the UK reprint, that is the most celebrated and respected today. In fact, Furman has probably had more influence on the entire ''Franchise/{{Transformers}}'' mythos than any other writer.
** Meanwhile IDW's ''[[ComicBook/TheTransformersIDW Transformers]]'' continuity began under Furman's pen and was built on by Shane Mccarthy and Mike Costa when his run was CutShort. However it was the combined work of James Roberts and John Barber who pulled the verse out of a lengthy DorkAge and redefined the series with their critically acclaimed books, ''ComicBook/TheTransformersMoreThanMeetsTheEye'' and ''ComicBook/TheTransformersRobotsInDisguise''. They singlehandedly [[{{Pun}} transformed]] the IDW comics from a franchise footnote to one of the most acclaimed comics in years.
* Comicbook/SuperboyPrime has Creator/GeoffJohns. During the ComicBook/SinestroCorpsWar, Superboy-Prime was one of the scariest, most sympathetic and yet unforgivable villains. He actually came across as a person who was so lost he might never be found. He was also the villain who you WANTED to see killed by the real Superman. Notably, he's actually considered damn near unreadable whenever anyone else is writing him.
* Also, Hank Henshaw, under Creator/GeoffJohns' capable stewardship (Also part of the Sinestro Corps War), is one of the best villainous tearjerkers EVER.
* While Siegel and Shuster created Franchise/{{Superman}}, Mort Weisinger had the biggest influence over what Superman would become during UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|OfComicBooks}} and UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|OfComicBooks}}.
** [[Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer Max Fleischer]] has as much claim to the character as the aforementioned three - from his works in the WesternAnimation/SupermanTheatricalCartoons we get "Faster than a Speeding Bullet, More Powerful than a Locomotive, Able to Leap Tall Buildings in a Single Bound," and even the fact that Superman can fly (animating the super-jumping he'd originally been intended to do was a pain in the arse, so Fleischer just said "forget it - he's Superman, so he can fly!")
** Creator/ElliotSMaggin for UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|OfComicBooks}} Franchise/{{Superman}}. He was the only comic writer who also wrote novels about the character and tried to greatly expand the mythos of Superman.
** Longtime Silver/Bronze Age artist Superman Curt Swan is probably the most prominent Superman artist of all time after Joe Shuster. Wayne Boring might be Superman's most popular non-Shuster Golden Age/early Silver Age artist.
* Comicbook/{{Supergirl}} was created by Otto Binder and Al Plastino in 1959, but they had little to do with the character afterwards.
** Jerry Siegel made sure to set her apart from Superman and created her first enemies, love interests and most of her initial supporting cast. Jim Mooney was her main artist during that period.
** Paul Kupperberg wrote Pre-Crisis Supergirl's best stories, making her step out of her cousin's shadow for good.
** Creator/MarkWaid and later Sterling Gates and Jamal Igle rehabilitated Post-Crisis Supergirl after a dreadful DorkAge and created one of the definite runs of the character. Sterling Gates also came up with her "Hope, Compassion and Help for all" motto.
* Creator/JackKirby and Creator/StanLee created Marvel's Hercules, no question, but Fred Van Lente and Greg Pak have really made the character their own in the pages of ''ComicBook/TheIncredibleHercules''.
** Before Van Lente and Pak, Real Daddy status probably would've gone to Bob Layton whose ''Hercules: Prince of Power'' miniseries in the early 1980s established Herc as the loutish, womanizing BoisterousBruiser we all know and love.
* While Marjorie Henderson Buell created ComicStrip/LittleLulu for the ''Saturday Evening Post'', it was John Stanley's nearly 15-year run on the Little Lulu comic books which defined the character.
* ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey was created by Jordan B. Gorfinkel, but is primarily associated with Creator/GailSimone. She pulled the series out of the nosedive caused by Creator/ChuckDixon's departure and used it to make ComicBook/BlackCanary, ComicBook/{{Huntress}} and [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl}} Oracle]] three of the most well-developed heroines ever. In particular, Simone is ''the'' reason fans tend to like Barbara Gordon better as Oracle than as Batgirl.
** Simone also has this distinction for most of her ComicBook/SecretSix team, but especially Cat-Man.
* Jim Starlin didn't create [[ComicBook/CaptainMarVell Captain Marvel]] or ComicBook/AdamWarlock, but his interpretations of the characters eclipse what came before.
* Speaking of Captain Marvel, Carol Danvers was previously a second-string Avenger who, though her role had been steadily built up following ''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', was still most famous as 'that woman Rogue stole her powers from'. In 2012, Carol was given the Captain Marvel name and a new costume by Creator/KellySueDeConnick, whose three years on the title, focusing on Carol's character and wrestling with both her past and the baggage that comes with being Captain Marvel, catapulted the character into the A-List, [[WolverinePublicity popping up everywhere]], creating a strong fan following in the form of the primarily (but not exclusively) female Carol Corps and earning Carol a solo film in the ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'', set for release in 2019.
* Creator/GeoffJohns is undoubtedly this for the entire Franchise/GreenLantern mythos. This is especially true for Hal Jordan and Sinestro, who Johns had turned into one of the most complex and prominent villains in the DCU.
** Creator/BruceTimm [[Franchise/DCAnimatedUniverse and co.]] can be considered this for John Stewart. Prior to their handling of him, John probably wasn't even in the top 10 of characters a fan would think of when "Green Lantern" was mentioned.
** Guy Gardner was originally created by John Broome and Gil Kane, but it was Joe Staton who gave him his famous costume, and Steve Englehart his well-known JerkWithAHeartOfGold characterization, which was developed further by Keith Giffen and J.M. [=DeMatteis=] during their run on ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueInternational''.
* A minor example: when Mike [=McMahon=] started drawing ''ComicBook/JudgeDredd'', he gave the Judges a chunkier, more menacing look than Carlos Ezquerra's original vision. This look proved so popular that even subsequent Ezquerra-drawn strips used it.
* ComicBook/GreenArrow has had three major parental adoptions in his career: Dennis O'Neill and Neal Adams, whose teaming him with Green Lantern transformed him from a rip-off of Franchise/{{Batman}} to the social conscience of the DC Universe. Mike Grell whose ''Longbow Hunters'' series made him an urban RobinHood fighting the villains of the 1980s. And Creator/KevinSmith, whose mini-series of him effectively removed all the detritus that had become attached to the character during UsefulNotes/{{the Dark Age|of Comic Books}}.
** His New 52 real daddy is by far Jeff Lemire, who managed to save his failing book and turn it into a major seller.
* ComicBook/{{Wolverine}} actually has several candidate Daddies.
** Back in 1974, original creator Len Wein established that Wolverine's powers were his "natural-born speed, strength, and savagery."
** In 1976, Creator/ChrisClaremont revealed that his claws were part of his body, rather than his uniform as previously thought, and introduced his SuperSenses. In 1977, Claremont created the first civilian identity for Wolvie when a random character calls him "Logan". Claremont and Creator/JohnByrne first hinted that Wolvie has "unbreakable bones in 1978, and revealed in 1979 that his entire skeleton is laced with adamantium. The original idea for the name "Logan" was that only a select few people knew about it and the X-Men were not among them. In 1980, Claremont and Byrne had Nightcrawler become the first X-Man to find out and soon enough the rest of the team started using it for their teammate. Also in 1980, the two of them introduced the backstory that James and Heather Hudson found Wolverine in a feral state and managed to help him recover his humanity. In 1981, Claremont and Byrne introduced Wolvie's HealingFactor.
** In 1983, Dennis O'Neil created the notion that the adamantium-lacing process was created by Japanese mastermind Lord Dawkwind, and also introduced Darkwind's daughter Yuriko. As Lady Deathstrike, Yuriko would become an essential addition to Wolverine's RoguesGallery.
** In 1986, Bill Mantlo established the mystery about who or what gave Wolvie his adamantium, and also introduced the notion that Wolvie is [[OlderThanTheyLook Older than he Looks]]. Specifically, Mantlo established Wolverine as a UsefulNotes/WorldWarII veteran. In 1990, both Claremont and Larry Hama picked up on the reference and fleshed out his World War II background in two separate stories. Also in 1990, Jo Duffy created an origin story for Wolvie which has him cast out by humans and managing to survive on his own in the wilderness of Canada. While later contradicted by other origins, this basic element has stayed with the character through BroadStrokes adaptations.
** In 1991, Larry Hama introduced the concept of Wolverine's memory implants and essentially gave him a MultipleChoicePast. Also in 1991, Barry Windsor-Smith published a 12-part origin story about the mysterious project which gave Wolverine his adamantium skeleton and turned him into a LivingWeapon. The story was called "Weapon X" because that was the codename for the test subject, Wolverine. The name "Weapon X Program" was established by Larry Hama in 1992.
** The origin by Barry Windsor-Smith hinted that Wolverine had bone claws prior to his encounter with the Program. Once Wolverine lost the adamantium in 1993, it was Larry Hama who fleshed out the concept and established that the claws were part of the original mutation. He also worked out what these less-durable claws could and could not do.
** Finally the definite origin story for Wolverine, the real name "James Howlett", and his family background were all established by Paul Jenkins in 2001.
* ComicBook/{{Nova}} was a forgotten B-list (at best) hero before Creator/DanAbnett and Andy Lanning ([=DnA=]) took over the character for the original ''Comicbook/{{Annihilation}}'' crossover. They effectively transformed what was a Franchise/GreenLantern {{expy}} into a deep and interesting character, taking him from guilt-ridden survivor all the way to becoming a grizzled war veteran and even later on the social conscience and oftentimes OnlySaneMan of the cosmic side of the Marvel universe.
** [=DnA=] pretty much tried to do this with the entire cosmic side of Marvel, starting with their revival of the ''Comicbook/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' using both B-list cosmic characters and the original members and their later adoption of Comicbook/TheInhumans and later former X-Men staples, [[PettingZooPeople the Shiar]]. While the ''Guardians'' revival (as well as the other books) were CutShort due to poor sales, their take on the team was a major influence on the ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' movie.
* Renee Montoya was originally just a minor character from WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries who got lucky enough to get introduced into the main canon. However, it was only when Creator/GregRucka started writing for her that she slowly turned into an awesome, multi-layered detective. For details, see ComicBook/GothamCentral, ComicBook/FiftyTwo, and ComicBook/TheQuestion.
* Dick Grayson was created by Bob Kane and Bill Finger shortly after his mentor in 1940, and he was well-defined in his "Comicbook/{{Robin}}" persona until he was turned into ComicBook/{{Nightwing}} during Marv Wolfman and Creator/GeorgePerez's successful run on Franchise/TeenTitans in 1984. He struggled to find a niche after that, but it is Creator/ChuckDixon's run on the 1996 ''Nightwing'' series that is considered to be the defining run that codified the character ever since.
** Chuck Dixon is undoubtedly considered this for the third [[Comicbook/RobinSeries Robin, Tim Drake]] thanks to three miniseries and a 100 issue run on Tim's ongoing title.
** Chuck Dixon himself considers himself this for his creation [[Comicbook/{{Batgirl}} Stephanie Brown]] aka "the Spoiler", stating on his forum that he doesn't read anyone else's stories with the character because she's so alive in his head that any other interpretation wouldn't feel right.
** Despite that, a good majority of her fans tend to see Bryan Q Miller, who wrote her ongoing series, as this; while Dixon is often respected for creating her and would be this without question otherwise, BQM managed to become synonymous with the character, and make her a competent hero on her own when many saw her as a sidekick's sidekick.
* James Robinson's Comicbook/{{Starman}} and Creator/NeilGaiman's ComicBook/TheSandman put those two names on the map.
** Even though Neil Gaiman created the version of [[{{Satan}} Lucifer]] from ComicBook/TheSandman, it's Creator/{{Mike Carey}}'s run on the spin-off {{Comicbook/Lucifer}} that really defined the character.
** Also, ComicBook/TheBooksOfMagic were started by Neil Gaiman, but it was John Ney Rieber who wrote the series [[GrowingTheBeard in which Tim Hunter really came into his own, and gave the series a world and mythology of its own.]]
** And note that that's ''multiple'' Starmen for Robinson. He has stated that he believes he did more to develop Ted Knight's character in four issues of ''ComicBook/TheGoldenAge'' than anyone had in fifty years of history before that, and he's really not bragging; it's just the truth.
** Robinson also gets credit for making The Shade into the morally ambiguous immortal he is today.
* Joe Simon and Creator/JackKirby created the ComicBook/CaptainAmerica character, but it wasn't until Creator/StanLee (also working with Kirby) brought him back from obscurity and created his signature "Man Out of Time" story that Cap really became a character people could relate to.
** Modern Cap writer Creator/EdBrubaker is credited with reinventing Captain America again for the modern comics world the same way Lee reinvented him for UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}}. Typically, this isn't universal, and others might give that status to Mark Gruenwald or Creator/MarkWaid for their own lengthy runs on the character - Brubaker himself credited Waid with bringing back Sharon Carter, saying that if Waid hadn't done it, he'd have had to.
** Creator/EdBrubaker is credited for turning ComicBook/BuckyBarnes from a JokeCharacter and footnote in comics history who was a blatant attempt at copying the success of ComicBook/{{Robin}}, into a darker, more serious, much more complex character who went on to become a BreakoutCharacter under Brubaker's pen, first as the Winter Soldier, then as Captain America a.k.a. Bucky Cap, then as the Winter Soldier again in his own spy-thriller solo series, as well as writing a believable fan favourite romance with Natasha, to the point where he's now her definitive LoveInterest.
** The writers of ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' mentioned Brubaker's run as the primary inspiration for their take on Bucky. Brubaker was also consulted by the directors of ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheWinterSoldier''. It's to the point that Brubaker actually had a cameo in the movie itself.
* Possibly similar to Brubaker, Creator/JuddWinick didn't create Jason Todd, but he did bring him back from the dead as the Red Hood while writing for ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'', and made him [[TookALevelInBadass badass]] and [[TearJerker a little sympathetic]].
* ComicBook/{{Blackhawk}} was created by Creator/WillEisner, Chuck Cuidera, and Bob Powell, but the [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]] Blackhawk is most often associated with artist Reed Crandall.
* Peter Milligan for ''ComicBook/ShadeTheChangingMan''. He completely reinvented Creator/SteveDitko's character, and now hardly anyone remembers what the original was like.
* Inverted for Len Wein, who co-created ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}, the [[ComicBook/XMen "All-New" X-Men]], and Comicbook/SwampThing, only to see them achieve greatness under other writers. He also wrote some of the earliest Comicbook/ManThing and [[ComicBook/{{Mockingbird}} Dr. Barbara 'Bobbi' Morse]] stories. While Wein's stories were significant in establishing their backstories and some key elements of the characters, again the characters gained greater fame under either writers.
** In a well-regarded run of the Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica, Wein introduced the 1970s incarnations of the ComicBook/SevenSoldiers and the Comicbook/FreedomFighters. Again, other writers are more associated with either team.
** He was also one of the co-creators of super-villain [[ComicBook/TheKorvacSaga Michael Korvac]]. The character is best remembered for a Creator/JimShooter storyline and his debut story is fairly obscure.
* Creator/CraigKyle and Creator/ChristopherYost created ComicBook/{{X 23}}, but didn't introduce her to the Franchise/MarvelUniverse (she's a CanonImmigrant), putting her in the hands of Creator/JoeQuesada and later Creator/ChrisClaremont, probably with the intention of invoking this trope; when it didn't work, they started writing her themselves. While their take was seen as superior to Quesada's and Claremont's and laid groundwork on the character, it still had its share of problems. It was Marjorie Liu's run on Laura's solo title that definitely did a lot to make fans like a character that had previously (often derisively) been called Girlverine and MarySue.
** Liu is also this for Logan's other offspring, {{ComicBook/Daken}} - it was once she joined his creator, Daniel Way, at writing the character, that he became the DepravedBisexual MagnificentBastard {{Troll}} people love. To be fair, BrianMichaelBendis putting him on ComicBook/DarkAvengers and other writers using him for cameos with the rest of the team probably helped a bit.
** Kyle and Yost however are this for Pixie, who was created as a background character in [[ComicBook/NewMutants New Mutants and New X-Men: Academy X]] by Nunzio [=DeFilippis=] and Christina Weir; even through her few short appearances already gained her fans, it were Kyle and Yost who pushed her into first place and made her so popular amoung fandom and other writers she was the only member of the cast that mostly avoided being DemotedToExtra when the series ended.
** Yost was also this for [[ComicBook/ScarletSpider Kaine]], previously a classic NinetiesAntiHero in the worst way and one of the worse products of the Clone Saga, before returning for a fairly well-received HeroicSacrifice in ''Grim Hunt'', then a return in ''ComicBook/SpiderIsland'' a year later. However, it was Yost who, in his [[ComicBook/ScarletSpider2012 2012 solo series]], made him a grumpy KnightInSourArmour ReluctantHero with a much darker version of Peter's [[DeadpanSnarker snark]], gave him a MoralityPet and a fun supporting cast, explored his past, his differences to Peter, his guilt over his past deeds, particularly his torment of Ben Reilly and his response to, effectively, having been given a second chance, as well as the mystical side-effects of his resurrection. While it was cancelled at issue #25, Yost carried him over to the reboot of ''ComicBook/NewWarriors'' and he remains popular enough to get a key role in ''ComicBook/SpiderVerse'' and a Scarlet Spider who is almost certainly him (or someone with Kaine's costume, powers and personality - the latter suitably toned down) has a starring role in Season 4 of ''WesternAnimation/UltimateSpiderMan.''
** Weir and [=DeFilippis=] on the other hand were this for two characters they took under their wings when their book changed from New Mutants to Academy X - Icarus and Dust. Icarus debuted in a 1984 ''ComicBook/ROMSpaceKnight'' as an extra, created by Bill Mantlo, and remained an obscure background character until 2004. Then writer ChuckAusten cast him as a main character in the storyline ''She Lies With Angels'', which unfortunately was one of the most hated stories in his, already controversial, X-Men run. When Icarus turned up as a cast member in New Mutants, he was not exactly a popular addition. As for Dust, her original portrayal by her creator, Creator/GrantMorrison, was full of UnfortunateImplications. Neither was well-liked until Weir and [=DeFilippis=] gave them rounded personalities and started building a close friendship and possible romance between them.
* Creator/FloydGottfredson is often considered the [[ComicBook/MickeyMouseComicUniverse Mouse]] Counterpart to Creator/CarlBarks. Though the Disney shorts eventually toned down Mickey's character, Gottfredson maintained MickeyMouse 's adventurous spirit for several decades, which are considered an influence on modern interpretations of Mickey.
* Creator/KieronGillen has quickly become this for a few characters.
** His take on Mr Sinister as a CrazyAwesome MadScientist has been embraced as the most interesting the character has been in years.
** His take on Loki in both [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor Thor]] and ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' came with massive amounts of character development as both an adult and a child.
** Comicbook/AmericaChavez debuted in Creator/JoeCasey and Nick Dragotta's ''Vengeance'' miniseries. Creator/JamieMcKelvie's CivvieSpandex redesign in their 2013 run of ComicBook/YoungAvengers turned her into a BreakoutCharacter.
* Artemis Crock was a fairly forgettable enemy of ComicBook/InfinityInc and the [[ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica JSA]]. Then ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' used her as a main character, bringing her to a whole new audience and hinging a lot of the show's mystery and plot development on her. Co-Producers Brandon Vietti and Creator/GregWeisman deserve equal credit here -- Vietti was the one who suggested they use a female archer, instead of Speedy I, Roy Harper, and Creator/GregWeisman suggested Artemis rather than any of ComicBook/GreenArrow's associated female archers. They reasoned that her parents being two supervillains, Sportsmaster and Huntress, would be a good touchstone -- then decided that super assassin Cheshire/Jade Nguyen would be an interesting addition to the family unit, and thus gave Artemis and her mother a RaceLift, making them Vietnamese.
** Whether or not they'll become this for Miss Martian, M'gann M'orzz, is still up in the air. Their decision to turn her into a StepfordSmiler instead of someone who is ''just that perky'' and her relationship with Superboy were picked up by Bryan Q. Miller's Smallville Season 11 comics; although her reasoning for being such and her human disguise's origins differ significantly, both use the idea of her as a flawed but eager heroine. It's still up in the air because M'gann has appeared exactly ''once'' in comics since the show gained traction, and while it was in her Young Justice-exclusive "stealth" costume, not her original skirt and heels, she was later edited out in reprintings.
* Though he didn't come onboard until around halfway through ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog''[='=]s lifespan, writer Ian Flynn is considered to have been the best writer for the series, taking characters and concepts from the previous DorkAge and reworking them to much greater acclaim (before [[ScrewedByTheLawyers legal issues ended up gutting them from continuity]]). Ian is even considered to be the best writer for the ''Franchise/{{Sonic|TheHedgehog}}'' franchise as a whole, in part due to his handling of characters largely ignored by Sonic Team since around 2010, and though the sentiment is far from universal, his return for [[ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogIDW IDW's comic]] was largely well-received.
* When ComicBook/{{Vibe}} was introduced, he was a breakdancing stereotype. However, thanks to the New 52 reboot and the writing of Sterling Gates, he has become a much more likable and relatable character with a small, yet dedicated, fanbase.
* Legion was created by Creator/ChrisClaremont as a ComicBook/NewMutants opponent and was, since then, written by many people. But Simon Spurrier was the one who gave him a complete revamp and reintroduced him as a MagnificentBastard on the pages of ''X-Men: Legacy'' vol.2, which quickly gave the character a dedicated fanbase.
* Creator/NickSpencer is on his way to become this for the entire cast of his ''Comicbook/SuperiorFoesOfSpiderMan'' series - he already gave Boomerang and Beetle (who was a one-shot JokeCharacter created by Creator/EdBrubaker) more CharacterDevelopment and backstory than anyone before him.
* Bill Mantlo is this for ComicBook/AlphaFlight as he took the {{flat character}}s that Creator/JohnByrne created and gave them depth. Naturally, Byrne is angry at a number of changes Mantlo made.
* The most fondly remembered version of the ''ComicBook/JusticeSocietyOfAmerica'' in the modern era is definitely Creator/GeoffJohns, who took over after James Robinson left the book, and built upon the team's family dynamic using a [[LoadsAndLoadsOfCHaracters large cast]] composed mainly of the earliest Golden Age superheroes and [[LegacyCharacter legacy characters]], which would remain the defining characteristic of the team for the rest of the post-Crisis era.
* [[http://www.vulture.com/2016/02/stan-lees-universe-c-v-r.html The creation of the "Marvel Method"]] in [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks the Silver Age]] actually left a lot of open paternity questions for many of Marvel's iconic characters.
** Creator/StanLee -- among others -- got a flat "Writer" credit for contributing anything from a full panel-by-panel script to a little dialog polishing, it can be hard to say definitively who created what. This debate certainly gets bitter when it turns to compensation, as virtually every artist who worked with Marvel in this period feels they got hosed on royalties and copyright ownership later on.
** The little research we know about the authorship clarifies that the costumes, visual design and general plots of the early Fantastic Four, Thor, Spider-Man comics were entirely done by Creator/JackKirby and Creator/SteveDitko, while Lee worked on the dialogues and occasionally suggested the plots (i.e. a particular kind of fad and concept which Kirby would flesh out into Galactus, Dr. Doom and other Fantastic Four bad guys) and was heavily involved in the marketing (which is no small thing since without Lee's genius marketing, the comics would not have found the audience demographic, and cultural impact it did at the time). The distinctive rhythm of 60s Marvel, the alliterations and the PurpleProse captions are all Lee. Lee himself in early interviews when promoting the Marvel Method (at a time when such practises of stiffing the artist was the unquestioned status-quo and Lee [[FairForItsDay certainly did offer]] and shared more publicity and co-credits than others of his time).

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* The original writer of ''ComicStrip/ThePerishers'' was sacked after a few weeks for not being funny. He was replaced by Maurice Dodds, who wrote the strip from 1959 to his death in 2005. The strip was then retired, even though the ''Daily Mirror'' would have been quite within their rights to hire another writer, because no-one else could possibly write it.

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* ''FanFic/TheInfiniteLoops'' may have been started by Innortal on Fanfic.net , but Saphroneth on Space Battles codified the rules and published the massive ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' collaborative loops, making him the go to authority for the mechanics of the setting.
* ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureau'' (the original story, that is) was written by Blaze, but after he [[DeadFic left the story unfinished]] and later [[OldShame disowned it completely]] while stating that he felt its [[RecursiveFanfiction fan-made spinoffs]] were better written, several different writers have been considered TCB's "real parent." Depending entirely on preference, it could either be writers known for their {{Deconstruction}}s or the authors that play the premise straight.
* Discussed by the main writer of ''Fanfic/PokemonResetBloodlines'', noting there are several characters he created to fill plot purposes and nothing much more, like [[TomTheDarkLord 20 Gyarados Bill]], have been flushed out by the side writers extensively and made much more interesting and popular by them.

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* While Tomoyuki Tanaka is credited as being the creator of ''Franchise/{{Godzilla}}'', it is often director Ishiro Honda who gets the most praise amongst the fandom regarding the film series.
** And also often special effects supervisor Eiji Tsuburaya.
* While Creator/IanFleming created Franchise/JamesBond, his version was far closer to being a VillainProtagonist than even the darkest movie versions. Terence Young was really the creator of the suave Creator/SeanConnery Bond we all love. His instruction to Sean was to imitate him.
** Also the ''James Bond'' Theme. The authorship has been disputed for years with composer John Barry arguing in court Monty Norman's claim of authorship and ultimately losing before he died. Monty Norman definitely did come up with the melody, borrowing it from [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6EuzGhIyRQ "Good Sign, Bad Sign"]] a song he wrote for the musical "A House for Mr Biswas" but Barry's orchestration, with its electric guitar intro and big brassy sound, was what made it popular.
* Nicholas Meyer's work on the [[Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan second]], [[Film/StarTrekIVTheVoyageHome fourth]] and [[Film/StarTrekVITheUndiscoveredCountry sixth]] ''Star Trek'' movies; he's credited with defining the original series movie era, with his overall tone and atmosphere showing anytime that time period is shown in the subsequent TV shows.
** To a lesser extent this applies to Harve Bennett, who produced the second through fifth films. After the TroubledProduction of ''Film/StarTrekTheMotionPicture'' resulted in that film being produced ''way'' over-budget and led to Creator/GeneRoddenberry getting kicked upstairs, Bennett took over the film series, hired Meyer to direct the second film and proved that a ''Star Trek'' film could be made much more economically. He's not held in ''quite'' the same esteem as Meyer, however, due to the [[Film/StarTrekIIITheSearchForSpock third]] and [[Film/StarTrekVTheFinalFrontier fifth]] films -- made without Meyer's involvement -- being SoOkayItsAverage and a critical and commercial disaster respectively.
* In the case of ''Franchise/StarWars'', there are serious discussions about whether the series is on the whole the work of Creator/GeorgeLucas, Lucas and his collaborators, or a work of collective genius that refutes UsefulNotes/TheAuteurTheory. This largely depends on whether the work of Lucas' collaborators is of a different order than that of collaborators on any normal film:
** Serious InternetBackdraft can result over discussions on whether the greater part of the credit for the creation of the ''Franchise/StarWars'' universe should go to producer Gary Kurtz. While Lucas wrote and directed ''Film/ANewHope'' by himself, supporters of Kurtz argue that without the latter doing quality control, the final product would've turned out decidedly SoBadItsGood. In addition, George Lucas's wife at the time, Marcia Lucas, is another figure argued to have been just as important. After the initial cut assembled by British editor John Jympson turned out to be absolute crap[[note]]A normal phenomenon for any rough cut in film history, its called "rough" for a reason[[/note]], Marcia (an experienced editor who worked on ''Film/TaxiDriver'', among other films) recut the film from scratch.[[note]]Marcia only agreed to do it on the condition that she had complete control over the edit, and that George couldn't make any suggestions until she and co-editors Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew had assembled a complete edit.[[/note]] George agreed, resulting in the cut that eventually made cinemas and was a big hit.
** Of course, as Creator/MarkHamill and Creator/StevenSpielberg noted, Lucas was the man who came up with the idea, setting and the vision of the film (A Space opera BMovie done on the scale of an EpicMovie) and that he had to constantly fight naysayers, producers, and cast and crew who didn't take the film seriously because the subject matter seemed childish to them, as it did to most audiences of ScienceFiction BMovie before ''Star Wars''. In the case of ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', Lucas served as producer and writer, while the film was directed by Irvin Kershner. However Lucas was entirely and ''solely'' responsible for the film's central PlotTwist. Lucas also deserves overall credit for the franchise, since after the disastrous Star Wars Holiday Special, he backed away from his initial idea of Star Wars being a series done by multiple film-makers with lose oversight, to overall editorial oversight of the movies.
* ''Film/TheBourneSeries'': ZigZagged with OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight, one may argue that the Bourne series [[HasTwoMommies has two daddies]] with directors Creator/DougLiman and Creator/PaulGreengrass. With ''Film/TheBourneIdentity'', Liman gave the film a unique style, but it was Greengrass who would flesh it out in its sequels ''Film/TheBourneSupremacy'' and ''Film/TheBourneUltimatum'', with Liman still involved as executive producer, garnering even greater acclaim. But when Greengrass turned down the offer to direct ''Film/TheBourneLegacy'', Creator/MattDamon left with him, saying he wouldn't do any more movies without him, and Liman left too. This is part of why ''Legacy'' hasn't been as well-received as its predecessors. Though it should be noted that Tony Gilroy wrote all four films (and directed ''Legacy''). It seems to go both ways, too: though Greengrass returned to direct the fifth film, ''Film/JasonBourne'' with Matt Damon coming back, this time around Gilroy was not involved at all, and it likewise was also not as well received as the first three films.
* Although every one of the ''Film/CarryOn'' films was produced by Peter Rogers and directed by Gerald Thomas, and the core cast remained largely unchanged throughout the series' run, it was scriptwriter Talbot Rothwell whom most fans regard as having really made the films what they were. The early, Norman Hudis-scripted films (up to and including ''Film/CarryOnCruising'') are regarded as middling, while the films made after Rothwell retired due to ill health (from ''Film/CarryOnBehind'' onward) are viewed as downright terrible.[[note]]It didn't help that Rothwell's departure coincided with those of long-running cast members Creator/SidJames, Creator/HattieJacques, and Creator/BarbaraWindsor.[[/note]]
* Officially speaking, the ''Franchise/FridayThe13th'' franchise was created by Victor Miller, the writer of [[Film/FridayThe13th1980 the first movie]], who is given a "Based on Characters Created By..." credit in all of its sequels. However, Miller did not have any involvement with those sequels, and thus, he didn't create the series' most famous attribute - Jason Voorhees as the invincible killer wearing a hockey mask - as Jason wasn't the villain until the second film. Furthermore, Miller wrote the original's script under hire for Sean S. Cunningham, its producer-director who conceived of the title and concept, and thus he couldn't even really be said to be the true creator of that movie. If anyone could be claimed as the real creative leader of the series, it'd be either Steve Miner - both a co-producer of the first film and producer-director of the first two sequels, and thus the guy who gave us killer-Jason and his iconic costume - or Frank Mancuso Jr., who produced all of the sequels at Paramount.
** When discussing who the ''best'' writer and/or director on the series was, ''Film/FridayThe13thPartVIJasonLives'' writer-director Tom [=McLoughlin=] is the generally the person who most fans point to, as ''Jason Lives'' is not only often considered the best film in the series, along with rescuing the franchise after the terrible reception of the [[Film/FridayThe13thPartVANewBeginning previous sequel]], but the "Zombie Jason" idea it introduced would set the direction for the remainder of the original series, before its eventual ContinuityReboot.
* Creator/JJAbrams is considered this to the ''Film/MissionImpossible'' series. The first film, while for the most part well-liked is divisive for fans of the original show and the second falls under a case of {{Sequelitis}} for many. Abrams took over, first as director and co-writer for the third film and as producer for the subsequent sequels, and thanks to throwing in major set pieces while also mixing in some character development while focusing on the team's entire ensemble instead of just Tom Cruise successfully transformed the franchise into the mega-hit it is with critics and audiences.
* For the ''Film/XMenFilmSeries'':
** Creator/BryanSinger wrote, directed, and produced the first two films and he had this reputation and status for the first three films, returning after a hiatus to direct the well-received ''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast''. The highly divisive ''Film/XMenTheLastStand'' directed by Creator/BrettRatner was weakly received for not having Singer at the helm.
** A lot of fans consider Creator/MatthewVaughn to be this for the later X-Men films. He was the director of ''Film/XMenFirstClass'' which was considered the AuthorsSavingThrow for the franchise, and became the first successful X-Men film ''not'' centered on Wolverine. He also changed the aesthetic of a trilogy that was formerly the TropeMaker and TropeCodifier for MovieSuperheroesWearBlack, introduced a much more humorous and sexy style (even those who liked the first X-Men films pointed out that they were rather overly serious), made the costumes and visual design much more brighter and colourful (giving the First Class team a black and lemon yellow ensemble and setting the finale in broad daylight on the beaches of Cuba). When Singer returned to the franchise, with ''Days of Future Past'', he followed Vaughn's aesthetic, and the success of ''First Class'' also led studios to green-light more personal and director-driven takes on the series, and even push to the R-Rating (Vaughn's film was the first superhero film with a PrecisionFStrike), leading to ''Film/{{Deadpool}}'' and ''Film/{{Logan}}''.
* While neither Justin Lin nor Chris Morgan were involved with ''Film/TheFastAndTheFurious'' franchise until the later installments both are credited as the real masterminds for the series. Their work on the movies gradually turned the series from a fairly mundane racing and crime drama series of films to an over-the-top series of action movies relying on the rules of both [[RuleOfFun Fun]] and [[RuleOfCool Cool]], focusing on the entire character ensemble with "family" being one of the core themes and having a greater sense of continuity. This retooled approach wound up being a hit with both critics and audiences and transformed the movies into a billion-dollar franchise.

* In the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse, Creator/TimothyZahn. He ''invented'' it, after all, with Literature/TheThrawnTrilogy - there had been things like ''Literature/SplinterOfTheMindsEye'' and ComicBook/MarvelStarWars and Literature/TheHanSoloAdventures, but they were largely on a smaller scale than what he wrote, and set much closer to the movies. Unfortunately, most of what authors following him wrote was not on the same level, leading to a genre of fanfic called the "[[FixFic Zahn fix]]". There are EU fans who despise Zahn's work and put Luceno or Hambly or Traviss in this trope.
** Karen Traviss practically invented the clone troopers and Mandalorians from the ground up. Before her, there were a few odds and ends about them, but nothing definite. She even invented the Mandalorian language. There's a reason there was such an uproar when ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' tried to take the Mandalorians and retcon them into something else.
*** The creators of the ''Star Wars: The Essential Atlas'' very quickly exercised damage control and introduced a retcon that explained the massive discrepancies between Traviss' Mandalorians and the Mandalorians of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'', with even more detailed rectons provided later in ''Star Wars: The Essential Guide to Warfare''. The fact that for the most part those in charge of the continuity of the ''Star Wars'' franchise are waiting for the animated series to end before introducing retcons to fix canon and revising the Clone Wars timeline, but very quickly provided explanations for the Mandalorian contradiction, speaks volumes of how much Traviss' take on the Mandalorians, controversial though it is, has become popular. And eventually, ''The Clone Wars'' had Death Watch, a militant Mandalorian faction that Traviss had invented, seize power on Mandalore anyway.
* It's hard to describe this regarding Literature/NancyDrew and Literature/HardyBoys books, since "Carolyn Keene" and "Franklin W. Dixon" were pen names and never actually existed. However, while Edward Stratemeyer was responsible for creating the characters and outlining the stories for the ghostwriters to follow, it was the original ghostwriters Mildred Wirt Benson (for Nancy) and Leslie [=McFarlane=] (for the Hardys) who decided to go a little above the call of duty and develop the characters (however slightly) a little more beyond other [[ExtrudedBookProduct Stratemeyer Syndicate works]] and create the only two series out of the dozens Stratemeyer developed that have any kind of lasting impression today.

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* While Shouzou Uehara was the original head writer of ''Franchise/SuperSentai'' and the franchise was conceived by Creator/ShotaroIshinomori, Hirohisa Soda was responsible for it GrowingTheBeard in [[Series/DengekiSentaiChangeman 1985]] and then keeping its beard for years. Soda was head writer of every ''Super Sentai'' series from [[Series/DaiSentaiGoggleFive 1982]] to [[Series/ChikyuuSentaiFiveman 1990]], and the shows of 1985-1990 are widely considered to be ''the'' definitive ''Super Sentai'', far more than Uehara's shows.
* Although the original version of the film script was written by Creator/JossWhedon himself, director Fran Rubel Kuzui made ''Film/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' TheMovie what it is: a SoBadItsGood "comedy/horror" that is actually neither. The [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer TV series]] actually created by Creator/JossWhedon is what the fans know and love, and people [[FanonDisContinuity prefer to ignore]] the movie. This makes Joss Buffy's Dad at TWO points.
** Within the ''Franchise/{{Buffyverse}}'', the works produced outside of Creator/JossWhedon's direct involvement (ExpandedUniverse) are usually considered part of an AlternateUniverse or [[FanonDiscontinuity didn't happen]]. These usually include the novels and most of the comics besides the ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' season 8/9/10, ''ComicBook/{{Fray}}'', and ''Series/{{Angel}}: After The Fall'' series (though some don't consider any of the comics to be).
* ''Series/DoctorWho'', technically created by committee, has had many producers and head writers, but these are a few of the most commonly-cited examples.
** Verity Lambert, the show's very first producer. For starters, she is the one who ensured that some aliens called the Daleks made it to air. In fact, the story "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS29E8HumanNature Human Nature]]", which sees the Doctor become a human with no memories of his Time Lord self, claims that his parents were named "Sydney and Verity".
** TV theme composer Ron Grainer wrote the score for the ''Doctor Who'' theme, but it was ElectronicMusic pioneer Delia Derbyshire's production that made it stand out, so the piece is usually credited in modern times to her. Even Grainer regarded the theme as Derbyshire's, famously asking her 'did I write that?' after hearing her rendition (she responded, 'most of it'). Due to Derbyshire's contractual status within the BBC at the time, she was denied a credit and made no money other than her usual employee wage from the piece.
** David Whitaker, the show's first script editor, managed to establish multiple things that became part of the series' DNA forever after - the first TARDIS team (the Doctor, Ian, Barbara and Susan), the first companion-switchover ("[[Recap/DoctorWhoS2E3TheRescue The Rescue]]"), the first post-regeneration story ("[[Recap/DoctorWhoS4E3ThePowerOfTheDaleks The Power of the Daleks]]"), and the first novelisation (''Dr. Who in an Exciting Adventure with the Daleks''). He also established several important canon points like the TARDIS being a MagicFromTechnology EldritchAbomination SapientShip, the Doctor being 'cut off from [his] own planet' with his exact backstory a RiddleForTheAges, and incorporated mystical and psychedelic themes into the early show that would go on to influence later writers.
** The Daleks are ''Doctor Who'''s most popular and enduring monster, and their invention is credited to Creator/TerryNation - but many fans doubt it was ''his'' writing that was actually responsible for making the Daleks a hit. Fans inclined to credit the design for their success are likely to credit them to prop designer Raymond Cusick (who, like Derbyshire, was only paid his usual wage for the work). Other fans celebrate Creator/DavidWhitaker, script editor of the first couple of seasons of ''Doctor Who'' and Nation's uncredited cowriter, who also wrote the highly regarded AdaptationExpansion novelisation of the serial "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS1E2TheDaleks The Daleks]]", ghostwrote much of the "Dalekmania" [[ExpandedUniverse spinoff material]] and wrote several fan-favourite DarkerAndEdgier Dalek serials ("Power of the Daleks", "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS4E9TheEvilOfTheDaleks The Evil of the Daleks]]" and the second half of "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS3E4TheDaleksMasterPlan The Daleks' Master Plan]]"). In Whitaker scripts [[DependingOnTheWriter Daleks tend to be]] a MagnificentBastard race, while in Nation scripts they're TheGrotesque and rather pathetic. Nation, for his part, disliked Whitaker's take on the Daleks and worked hard to end Whitaker's influence on the aliens in the 70s by such measures as having Whitaker creations ExiledFromContinuity. However, that didn't stop Creator/RussellTDavies' take from being clearly influenced by the Whitaker Dalek material more than the Nation stuff.
** Even though Creator/WilliamHartnell was the first actor to interpret the character of the Doctor, many people feel the definitive 'first' Doctor performance was Creator/PatrickTroughton, who introduced many of the performance and character elements that would influence later Doctor performances - being funnier and warmer, being younger and more active, having a CatchPhrase, getting CharacterFocus rather than being part of an ensemble cast, ComicalOverreacting, being more of an IdealHero rather than a TricksterArchetype, and so on. He was also the first actor who was playing the Doctor as an unambiguous alien rather than as an AmbiguouslyHuman 'future' person, and the first to play an ''[[LegacyCharacter incarnation]]'' of the Doctor rather than just 'the Doctor', an element of the character crucial to how he is perceived.
** Even though he was the ''fourth'' television Doctor, Creator/TomBaker's performance was massively defining and influential, and it's easy to argue that every Doctor since has been in some way a reaction to him. He lasted almost seven years in the role, the longest tenure of any Doctor, and was the first Doctor consistently portrayed as being [[TheMentallyDisturbed mad]] rather than just eccentric and the first to bring in elements of being a destructive force of cosmic justice, with a specific blend of darkness, whimsy and odd character quirks that became the 'default' take on character ever after. Due to his tendency to tinker with his scripts, add lines and occasionally entire unscripted scenes, and [[WagTheDirector take charge of direction]], he ended up being a heavy creative influence on the way the show was written and shot, with the result that much of the show's sense of humour is what he imprinted onto it. He was not the first Doctor whose performance was heavily [[MetaCasting based on his own personality]], but he was the one whose performance was ''most'' based on his own personality, and due to the influence of his era many of Baker's real-life personality quirks run through the psychology of the character to this day.
** Creator/TerranceDicks and Barry Letts acted as the script editor and producer for the Creator/JonPertwee era of the show. Dicks is one of the franchise's most prolific writers, penning oodles of novelizations in addition to his TV work, which notably includes 20th anniversary special "[[Recap/DoctorWho20thASTheFiveDoctors The Five Doctors]]" and Patrick Troughton's swansong, "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS6E7TheWarGames The War Games]]". Their era featured UNIT at its most prominent, and introduced such iconic elements of the show as the Master, the Sontarans, the Autons, and fan-favourite companion Sarah Jane Smith. Barry Letts is the only producer to return to the show in a similar capacity, when he acted as the executive producer for newcomer Creator/JohnNathanTurner's first year, and had also worked as a writer and director for a number of stories. Letts' influence bled past his run on the show and had a strong impact on the first year of...
** Creator/RobertHolmes and Creator/PhilipHinchcliffe, who were respectively the script editor and producer between 1974 and 1977. The era when they were in charge is considered by many to be a Golden Age for the series due to a genuinely frightening "gothic horror" atmosphere, a fan-favourite Doctor (Creator/TomBaker) and popular companions (Sarah, Harry, and Leela), as well as a seemingly endless streak of classic and beloved stories (including, but by no means limited to, "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E2TheArkInSpace The Ark in Space]]", "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS12E4GenesisOfTheDaleks Genesis of the Daleks]]", "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS13E3PyramidsOfMars Pyramids of Mars]]" and "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS14E6TheTalonsOfWengChiang The Talons of Weng-Chiang]]". Holmes has written more individual TV episodes than any other writer, and in 2009 his story "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS21E6TheCavesOfAndrozani The Caves of Androzani]]" was voted by the readers of ''Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine'' as the all-time greatest ''Doctor Who'' story.
** Creator/RussellTDavies and/or Creator/StevenMoffat for those who started with the 2005 revival. RTD brought back the show for a whole new generation and is known for his sense of fun, adventure, and emotion, while those who prefer Moffat appreciate his more complex storylines that place greater emphasis on time travel and the Doctor himself. Moffat is also the only person to write at least one episode for every series of the revival up through Series 10, calling it a day with "[[Recap/DoctorWho2017CSTwiceUponATime Twice Upon a Time]]".
* Speaking of Creator/TerryNation, while he created ''Series/BlakesSeven'', it was script editor Creator/ChrisBoucher who fleshed out his scripts and gave the characters personality. In fact, many of the series' best-loved episodes were written by Boucher.
* ''Franchise/PowerRangers'' fans informally divide seasons by showrunner or writers at the time. While the contributions of Haim and Cheryl Saban, Shuki Levy, Creator/TonyOliver and others have been noted for ''MightyMorphinPowerRangers'', any PR fan will say that the shows that Judd "Chip" Lynn and Jonathan Tzachor produced, alongside head writer/story editor Jackie Marchand, are among PR's Golden Era (1995-[[Series/PowerRangersTimeForce 2001]]) and may also include Eddie Guzelian's ''[[Series/PowerRangersRPM RPM]]'' in the mix (with Lynn returning to wrap up ''RPM'' in 2009).
** It turns out that what they consider PR's real daddy is Judd Lynn, as at the beginning of Neo Saban era since Samurai, Jonathan Tzachor, who was called back to direct that and Megaforce, didn't fare very well to the fans and fans were getting sick of his Sentai fanboyism. So... when Judd Lynn was called back for Dino Charge to replace Tzachor, cue fans giving a mass {{Squee}}.
* Creator/GeneRoddenberry created ''Franchise/StarTrek'' and wrote numerous episodes (as well as rewriting scripts by others) but it was later revealed that a co-producer on [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries original series]], Gene L. Coon, was nearly as important to the series' narrative excellence such as creating the PrimeDirective, the Klingons and Khan Noonien Singh in his own stories as well as (also) doing rewrites for others. (In fact, many of the best known elements of ''Star Trek'' were devised by writers other than Roddenberry, such as the mind meld and the nerve pinch.) Later, it's generally agreed by the fans that ''[[Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration Next Generation]]'' and the movies got better once Roddenberry was [[KickedUpstairs promoted to executive consultant.]] While the Trek shows have all had numerous writers, Michael Piller and Ronald D. Moore are typically credited with setting the bar for ''Next Generation'' and ''[[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine Deep Space Nine]]'' respectively. Later, Manny Coto would do a similar thing for ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' (with some help from Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens), but in that case it sadly proved too late to save the series from a curtailed run.
** Though it should be noted that Roddenberry still had the power to dispense some WordOfGod regarding what elements of the series he considered to be canon and non-canon.
** Creator/JohnMFord is (or was) regarded by many as the real daddy of the Klingons, via his novel ''Literature/TheFinalReflection'' and his work on the Klingon supplement for FASA's Star Trek roleplaying game. While many of the specifics of Klingon culture he invented have since been rendered non-canon, many still credit him with deepening the Klingons, shifting them from duplicitous Cold War-era Russian [[{{Expy}} Expies]] into {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}}s and setting the stage for further development in ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration''.
* In the ''Series/SaturdayNightLive'' 25th anniversary special, the trope was played for laughs during the Weekend Update segment with three popular, former anchors. It begins with Creator/ChevyChase talking about how he originated the sketch and how he did it "the best ever." Then Creator/DennisMiller enters and takes issue with that, comparing Chase's one season to his six. ("You might've knocked her up, but I married her.") And then [[Creator/NormMacDonald Norm [=MacDonald=]]] shows up. (Though in a nod to his infamous firing, Norm says he didn't know about the special and just saw them on TV.)
** The fortieth anniversary Weekend Update seems to settle on Creator/JaneCurtin (Chevy Chase's immediate successor and host for Seasons 2 through 5, largely considered some of the show's best), as well as Creator/TinaFey and Creator/AmyPoehler (whose mid-oughts run regularly caused the segment [[MemeticMutation Internet popularity.]])
* Contrary to popular belief, Creator/JimHenson was not actually the creator of ''Series/SesameStreet'' (that honor goes to Lloyd Morisset and Joan Ganz Cooney). However, the use of his Muppet characters became one of the defining elements of the show.
* ''Series/{{Lost}}'' was created by Jeffrey Lieber, Creator/JJAbrams and Creator/DamonLindelof - Lieber wrote the original pilot script before Abrams and Lindelof drastically reworked it. While Lindelof is (along with Carlton Cuse) the man who rightly takes the credit or blame for the series among the fans, to the general public Abrams is the name most associated with the series even though he had little to do with it after the first season and in fact only co-wrote one episode other than the pilot (see also most series Abrams produces - how often is ''Series/{{Revolution}}'' called a Creator/JJAbrams show in spite of Creator/EricKripke being the real main man?).
* ''Series/TheDailyShow'' was originally started by Craig Kilborn as a [[Series/SaturdayNightLive "Weekend Update"]]-style comedy show. But in 1999, Creator/JonStewart became its new host, and under his guidance, the show changed from a light parody of local news to a deep and incisive political satire, held in higher esteem than many mainstream news outlets. In 2015, Jon stepped down as host [[Series/TheDailyShowWithTrevorNoah and was succeeded by Trevor Noah]], who acknowledged in his pilot episode how important Jon was [[CallBack by using a "step-dad" metaphor similar to the one made in Jon's first show]].
* Anthony Yerkovich is given the sole credit as creator of ''Series/MiamiVice'' but it was executive producer Creator/MichaelMann who was behind the groundbreaking look and the show, incorporating feature film-style cinematography and editing and using then-current hit songs on the soundtrack.
* Regardless of the whole debate about whether he or creator Joel Hodgson was the better host of the show, many agree that Michael J. Nelson's arrival as the head writer of ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' was one of the biggest factors in helping the first full season of the show take on a much more structured and sophisticated style than the rather loose approach the team used in the "Season 0" broadcast on local channel KTMA.
* Similarly to the Franchise/{{DCAU}} Voice Actors examples below, even the most fervent detractors of the show would agree that [[Series/{{Constantine}} Matt Ryan]] is delivering as good a performance as there's ever going to be of {{ComicBook/Hellblazer}}'s John Constantine.
* ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' fans hold the opinion that Season 1's success was due largely to the involvement of Creator/BryanFuller, a belief that really gained steam after Fuller left to do ''Series/PushingDaisies'' and the show hit SeasonalRot in his absence.
* While ''Series/{{Dexter}}'' was created by James Manos Jr., he had very little involvement in the series after the pilot, with the real figures behind the show's success being seen as initial showrunner Clyde Phillips and writer Melissa Rosenberg.
* Ryan Dillon may be playing [[SesameStreet Elmo]] now, but Elmo's characterization is largely owed to Kevin Clash, whose colleagues had no idea what to do with the Muppet before Clash got his hands on it.
* In Russia, the children game show ''Zvyozdniy chas'' (roughly "Time to Shine") was created by Vlad Listyev in 1992 and initially flunctuated between hosts - before 1993, there was Alexey Yakubov, soon replaced by Vladimir Bolshov, and in the beginning of 1993, there was a duo of Igor Bushmelev and Yelena Shmeleva (Igor and Lena). It was not until April 1993 that Sergei Suponev (of ''UsefulNotes/{{Dendy}}: The New Reality'' fame) took over the hosting duties, and only since that the show did really found its legs and skyrocketed in popularity. Suponev ended up taking over the showrunner position, and ''Zvyosdniy chas'' was pretty much ''his'' show until [[AuthorExistencFailure his unfortunate death in 2001]]. Nowadays, when they talk about the show, they mean the Suponev-hosted programs; no one talks about the first two hosts, and Igor and Lena are only brought up to talk about their inferiority to Suponev.

[[folder:Pro Wrestling]]
* When Giant Baba died, Mokoto Baba became the defacto boss of Wrestling/AllJapanProWrestling, leading Wrestling/MitsuharuMisawa to leave, with most of the roster and audience following him to Wrestling/ProWrestlingNOAH where Misawa free to do as he pleased. NOAH began to be seen as the ''real'' successor to Giant Baba's All Japan. So rather than try to emulate the popular shows of 1990s NOAH would undoubtedly do a better job at anyway, Wrestling/TheGreatMuta was brought in to try something different. While his "Puroresu Love" period of All Japan wasn't particularly liked by foreigners, especially not those in USA, All Japan's business did manage to turn around and reestablish AJPW as one of the Japanese majors. Then circumstances lead to Mutah resigning and being barred from return, leading to much of the roster and audience following him to the first Wrestle-1 show independent of All Japan, which immediately sold out, with fans claiming Wrestle-1 [[HistoryRepeats was the true future of All Japan until All Japan started to rebuild by emulating the shows of the 1990s under Jun Akiyama's direction after he deposed of the man who blocked Mutah's reentry.]]
* Wrestling/ProWrestlingZero1 went from national powerhouse with international potential to somewhat largish independent circuit promotion after the passing of founder Wrestling/ShinyaHashimoto. Wrestling/NaoyaOgawa has publicly admitted that reason he decided not to return to Zero 1 was that it would not feel right to be there without Hashimoto. Rival promotion NOAH faced a similar decline without Wrestling/MitsuharuMisawa but barely managed to keep its national scope.
* A chunk of Wrestling/RingOfHonor fans have the opinion that Gabe Sapolsky is the real daddy following his firing in 2008, albeit a rapidly shrinking chunk as Wrestling/DragonGate's abandonment of the USA venture Sapolsky was booking destroyed a good deal of the CreatorWorship he received.[[/folder]]

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* ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'':
** The fandom {{invert|edTrope}}s this trope against [[RunningTheAsylum Matthew Ward]] due to his habit of CharacterShilling and creating GameBreaker units.
** Black Library author Creator/GrahamMcNeill, meanwhile, is considered to be the definitive source on both the Literature/{{Ultramarines}} and the Literature/IronWarriors.
** A third faction of Ultramarines fans reject both Ward (for portraying the Ultramarines as a {{MarySue}} army) and [=McNeill=] (for portraying them as LawfulStupid) and instead hold Relic Entertainment and Creator/{{THQ}}, of all people, as the "true" authors of the Ultramarines, thanks to their work on the ''VideoGame/Warhammer40000SpaceMarine'' video game. This is largely due to the fact that ''Space Marine'' shows the Ultramarines as heroic, determined, and diligent without making them unstoppable and flawless (Ward) or hidebound to the point of incompetence regarding the Codex Astartes ([=McNeill=]).
** Creator/DanAbnett is this to any facet of the lore he touches, but perhaps his most important contribution is his fleshing out of the Imperial Guard, most notably in his ''Literature/GauntsGhosts'' books, turning them from a RedshirtArmy who lived and died (in unnecessarily large quantities) by the mantra "WeHaveReserves" to something resembling a competent military force.
** While Creator/SandyMitchell's takes on any one character or faction are too openly parodic to be considered definitive, his tendency to poke holes in the setting's oppressively GothicPunk atmosphere by adding familiar domestic touches like tea and rugby telecasts and generally portraying the Imperium of Man less as a decaying, absurdly GrimDark hellhole and more as a corruption and incompetence-riddled but functional modern military-industrial state like the UK or America writ large does seem to be starting to take hold.
** By contrast, the grimmer, propagandistic [[ScaryDogmaticAliens communist-inspired]] take on the [[WideEyedIdealist naively idealistic]] Tau Empire popularized by Relic's ''VideoGame/DawnOfWar: Dark Crusade'' RTS has become their definitive characterization. Though here it's more a case of giving the fans what they want, as this had already been part of {{Fanon}} for years.
** Play straight for Ward with his Necrons. A number of Eldar players started to see this with Ward as he's currently the only writer who writes Eldar win battles.

[[folder:Video Games]]
* ''VideoGame/{{Kirby}}'' creator Masahiro Sakurai didn't work on all of the Kirby titles, and since ''Air Ride'' no longer works on the series. His whole (original, platformer) work in the series is the first ''Dream Land'', the NES ''Adventure'', and the fan-favorite ''Super Star''. The other platformers developed during his stay at HAL (''Dream Land 2'', ''Dream Land 3'', and ''Kirby 64'') all feature a different antagonist and a few characters exclusive to the series. Sakurai is still treated as Kirby's owner despite his separation from the company, as evidenced by his signature (which features Kirby) and his input to new titles.
* Creator/ObsidianEntertainment are seen as this by quite a few ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' fans, considering the company was primarily made up of former Black Isle employees. Creator/ChrisAvellone, in particular - even though he wasn't involved until ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 2}}'', as the editor and compiler of The Fallout Bible, he's accepted by many to be the true father. A large part of the reason for this is because ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 1}}'' is very short and only has a couple of factions. Most of the ''Fallout'' universe concepts actually originated in ''Fallout 2''. ''Fallout 1'' set up the general idea for the series, but ''Fallout 2'' took that idea and fleshed it out. Also keep in mind that there is a character in ''Fallout 1'' named after him, so it isn't like he was a new hire for ''Fallout 2''. He just wasn't directly working on Fallout 1 when it was in development.
* Michael Kirkbride, a former writer on ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' team, is often considered this.
* While Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto created ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda'', it was a series of loosely connected games with no real storyline until Eiji Aonuma took over during ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime.'' From then on, the plots became more cohesive and {{continuity nod}}s became more frequent. The games also started to come out more frequently, with a game a year being released from 2000-2008. Of course given Miyamoto's status amongst gamers, Aonuma has to share the spotlight a bit, but most fans only take his WordOfGod as canon.
* The ''Franchise/{{Castlevania}}'' series were only a string of loosely-connected titles made by various teams within {{Creator/Konami}} until Koji Igarashi took over as producer for the series after ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaSymphonyOfTheNight'' and became the godfather, of sorts, of the series canon. The canon may now be split, however, as ''VideoGame/CastlevaniaLordsOfShadow'' was developed without involvement from Igarashi and is a ContinuityReboot. [[note]]Although in actuality, the game is--by Konami's own admission--an InNameOnly installment that was supposed to have been an original (i.e., non-''Castlevania'') game.[[/note]]
* The same case happens with the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' series, since until Takanobu Terada took over as the producer of the series in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars2 G'' for GameBoy, the whole series was designed by many programming teams.
* ''ComicBook/TheDarkness''. The Creator/ImageComics version of Jackie is nothing more than a NinetiesAntiHero [[CanonSue Canon Stu]], but the [[VideoGame/TheDarkness video game incarnation]] is actually a complex and interesting character.
* Keiji Inafune is often identified as the "father of ''VideoGame/MegaMan''" due to his involvement with the franchise since the original NES game. However, Inafune was only a character designer in the original game. Akira Kitamura was the lead designer on ''VideoGame/MegaMan1'' and ''VideoGame/MegaMan2'', with Inafune not taking on a loose "creative lead" role until ''VideoGame/MegaMan3''.
* While most of the original credit to the creation of SonicTheHedgehog goes to YujiNaka, this is actually divided between him as the programmer of the [[VideoGame/SonicTheHedgehog original game]], Naoto Oshima, the true creator and designer of the hedgehog, and Hirokazu Yasuhara, the designer of the first game's stages. Sadly, they have all since left [[Creator/{{Sega}} Sonic Team]] during certain points of their careers, there.
* While the very first ''VideoGame/StreetFighter'' was planned by "Finish" Hiroshi Matsumoto and "Piston" Takashi Nishiyama, who both left Creator/{{Capcom}} and to work for {{SNK}} in many of their early fighting games (including all of ''VideoGame/TheKingOfFighters'' games until '99), the ''StreetFighter'' series didn't really take off until ''VideoGame/StreetFighterII'', which was planned by Akira "Akiman" Yasuda and Akira "Nin Nin" Nishitani (who both previously worked on the original ''VideoGame/FinalFight''). Afterward, Noritaka "Poo" Funamizu served as the planner for the ''Super'' and ''[[VideoGame/StreetFighterAlpha Alpha]]'' series, as well as general producer for ''[[VideoGame/StreetFighterIII III]]''. Currently, Yoshinori Ono has been serving as the producer for ''Street Fighter'' (and Capcom's fighting games in general) since ''[[VideoGame/StreetFighterIV IV]]''.
* Following the derisive fan reaction to ''VideoGame/MetroidOtherM'', the ''Franchise/{{Metroid}}'' fandom became split over whether Yoshi Sakamoto or Creator/RetroStudios best deserve the title of series caretaker. Separate from that, there's the issue of who deserves the most credit for the franchise's creation: Sakamoto or GunpeiYokoi. Whereas the latter conceived the franchise from its origins, the former developed the maze-like gameplay and elements that became a [[{{Metroidvania}} genre onto itself]].
* Though Roberta Williams created the ''VideoGame/KingsQuest'' series, fans generally consider the [[VideoGame/GabrielKnight Jane]] [[VideoGame/GrayMatter Jensen]]-penned ''VideoGame/KingsQuestVI'' to be by far the best one out of all of them. Most ''KQ'' fangames either are inspired by it or seek to remake earlier games to more closely match it in tone/artistic quality.
* {{Creator/Bungie}} Studios created the ''{{Franchise/Halo}}'' series, but it was Eric Nylund's ''Literature/HaloTheFallOfReach'' that expanded its universe. The retcons that began to come about later, particularly in ''VideoGame/HaloReach'', caused a good segment of fans to cry foul over negating parts of the Nylund books' continuity. There's still favoritism towards Bungie's end, though, now that Creator/ThreeFourThreeIndustries owns the series.
* ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' has master artist Kazuma Kaneko, whose demon designs have been used in every game of the franchise. Famous for treating ''every'' god, spirit or demon he draws with respect and care, with plenty of {{Shout Out}}s to their original mythologies.
* In a case of Adopted Daddies, fans of ''Franchise/MegaMan'' wish Nintendo would just buy out the franchise from Capcom due to the company's alleged better treatment of the Blue Bomber as shown in ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros for 3DS[=/=]Wii U'', including his Nintendo-faithful animations and his Final Smash attack that also acknowledges his legacy.
* ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' fans were asking for Nintendo to do the same thing during Sonic's own DorkAge. With the news that Capcom is scheduled for buyout, the chance that Nintendo will gain access anyway is growing.
* The rivalry between developers Infinity Ward and Treyarch on the ''VideoGame/CallOfDuty'' series. Infinity Ward were the original creators of the franchise, and were behind ''Call of Duty'', ''Call of Duty 2'', and the genre-defining ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare''. Treyarch, meanwhile, got off to a terrible start with the much reviled ''Call of Duty 3''; much of that ill-will would follow them in their next game in the series, ''Call Of Duty World At War''. However, in more recent years, Treyarch has received credit for being responsive to fan input and their willingness to experiment, innovate, and take the series in new directions with the likes of ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyBlackOps'' and especially ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyBlackOps2'', while Infinity Ward has been criticized for a perceived unwillingness to deviate from their long-time formula, as embodied by the mediocre reception of their latest entry in the series, ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyGhosts''. It doesn't help that many of the leading minds behind the better-regarded Infinity War [=CoD=] titles have moved on to [[VideoGame/TitanFall other things]].
* Richard Garriott rightly gets a lot of credit and respect for creating the ''VideoGame/{{Ultima}}'' series, but many fans consider the games to have been at their peak when Warren Spector was working alongside Garriott, starting with ''VideoGame/UltimaVI'' and encompassing ''VideoGame/UltimaVII'' and ''VideoGame/UltimaVIIPartII'', the two ''Worlds of Ultima'' games, and both ''VideoGame/UltimaUnderworld'' entries. Plus, Spector has the advantage of not being involved in ''VideoGame/UltimaVIII'' or ''[[VideoGame/UltimaIX IX]]'', which are widely considered the series' DorkAge.
* The creator of ''Franchise/SilentHill'' is Keiichiro Toyama, but he left Konami immediately after finishing the first game, and has not worked on the series since. For most fans, the real papa of the franchise is Akira Yamaoka, who composed the music for every game in the series - in addition to producing a number of them - and was the only member of the games' staff to be involved with [[Film/SilentHill the movie]], as executive producer and co-composer.
* ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' was created by Hironobu Sakaguchi, but Yoshinori Kitase was more influential in creating the sort of games people think of as being ''Final Fantasy''. He started as the writer of ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyV'' (which got rid of many of the ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' elements and introduced a new form of plot structure that is associated with the series), went on to help write fan-favourites ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVI'' and ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII'', was the person who decided on the 'cinematic' aesthetic that went on to define the PS1 ''FF'' entries and [[FranchiseOriginalSin the direction of the entire medium of AAA games]], and then oversaw the next several games as a director while allowing his former cowriter Kazushige Nojima to handle the writing, before getting KickedUpstairs to producer around the time of Sakaguchi's [[CreatorKiller fall from grace]], heralding something of a DorkAge. Even within ''VII'' alone, the ''Compilation'' entry considered by far the best (''VideoGame/CrisisCore'') was the one he was directly involved with writing, and this was something he'd done even though it was unusual for him to be writing at all at that point in his career.
* While the creator of the ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry'' series is Creator/HidekiKamiya, he only really had full involvment with the very first game in the series. From the third game onwards, the series has been headed by Hideaki Itsuno, which is around the time the series and its protagonist truly hit their stride.
* Although Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto was the creator of Franchise/DonkeyKong, the iconic [[VideoGame/DonkeyKong arcade game]] is largely seen as part of the ''[[Franchise/SuperMarioBros Mario]]'' series instead, and that franchise didn't hit its own stride until the original ''[[VideoGame/SuperMarioBros1 Super Mario Bros.]]'' for the NES. Most people consider the true shaper of the DK franchise to be Creator/{{Rare}}, creator of the ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry'' games. These games shaped DK's own corner of the Mario universe by introducing his supporting cast of Kongs such as Diddy Kong, Cranky Kong, and Dixie Kong, the setting of the tropical DK Isle and its surrounding islands, his obsession with bananas, and his enemies, the Kremlings. All of which would be elements that would help DK gain a fandom of his own beyond being a footnote in the ''Mario'' series. And after Rare's departure from Nintendo and buyout by [[Creator/MicrosoftStudios Microsoft's gaming division]], the fans have not forgotten Rare, but have also embraced Creator/RetroStudios (themselves already considered the Real Daddy of ''Metroid'') as a second "adoptive" daddy for the Donkey Kong franchise thanks to their work on ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountryReturns'' and ''[[VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountryTropicalFreeze Tropical Freeze]]''.
* While the first game in the ''VideoGame/SegaSuperstars'' series was made by Sonic Team, itís only after Sumo Digital started working on the series (particularly with the racing installments) that it gained popularity among fans.
* Though 2K owns the license of ''VideoGame/{{Evolve}}'', Turtle Rock Studios is the one beloved by the fandom due to their connection to the community and actually being the ones to make the game. This attitude only intensified after 2K revoked TRS's use of the IP and [[BlatantLies called the game complete]], to which TRS responded by using their last few hours of authority to answer fan questions, wrap up the mysteries in the story, and talk about what they'd had planned.
* Naoki Maeda, despite having left his position of ''VideoGame/{{DanceDanceRevolution}}'' sound producer to work on ''[[VideoGame/DanceMasters DanceEvolution]]'' before leaving Konami entirely to produce ''VideoGame/CrossBeats'', is still seen by many fans as the face of ''DDR'' despite the series' team having changed significantly since then, especially since he produced a large number of original ''DDR'' songs that gave the series its identity during its [[NumberedSequels nth MIX]] days. Fans feel that [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks the quality of DDR games has declined ever since he left]].

[[folder:Web Original]]
* [[Franchise/TheSlenderManMythos The Slender Man]] was created on the Something Awful boards for a Photoshop contest, but he didn't really start catching on until the ''WebVideo/MarbleHornets'' web series started. Interestingly, the Marble Hornets Slender Man is a fairly distinct character [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness from the original,]] who was more tied to FairFolk mythology than film, water and fire.
* Both "[[WordSaladTitle Luminous Big Kito]] [[{{Engrish}} Extrusion Nausea Maggots]]" and "Skilevaks" started off as cheap dollar store Halloween decorations made by no-name toy companies, but are now well-loved additions to ''Website/{{Bogleech}}.com'''s loosely connected "Noisy Tenant" mythos.

[[folder:Western Animation]]
* Michael Dante Dimartino and Bryan Konietzko are the creators of ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'', but a sizable group of fans ([[BrokenBase mostly composed of those who disliked]] the SequelSeries ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLegendOfKorra'') have come to see head writer Aaron Ehasz as being the real driving force behind the first show. For these fans (especially [[FanPreferredCouple Zutara]] fans since one of Ehasz's ideas for ATLA Book 4 was to have Zuko and Katara becoming a couple), [[FanNickname Bryke]] are considered to be amazing at art direction and crafting concepts, but to have little skill as actual writers.
** However, with the universal positive reception of "Beginnings", Book 3, and Book 4 of ''Korra'', fans have called into question whether or not so much credit can be given to Ehasz for ''The Last Airbender''; instead, these fans think that Ehasz's role in the series is being overstated by the above group. Some fans also argue that while Ehasz is a good writer, many of his unused ideas were either bad or just logically inconsistent with the overall direction for the series, and instead his writing complemented Bryke's ideas. Add to that the fact that many talented people (like Joaquim Dos Santos) contributed to both series, all under the creative vision of Bryke, and many fans will argue that it was thanks to Bryke, and not Ehasz, that ''The Last Airbender'' was so good.
* While the bulk of the ''WesternAnimation/FelixTheCat'' franchise up to the TV shorts attributes Felix as a creation of cartoonist Pat Sullivan, almost everybody today recognizes Creator/OttoMessmer as the real person behind Felix's creation and success...especially once information came to light that Sullivan had virtually nothing to do with making the Felix cartoons and was barely ever present at his own studio. The credits for ''WesternAnimation/TheTwistedTalesOfFelixTheCat'' go as far as to credit both Otto Messmer ''and'' Joe Oriolo as the creators of Felix, but [[UnPerson completely leaves out mentioning Pat Sullivan]].
* Butch Hartman may have created ''WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom'', but most fans give major props to the stories and CharacterDevelopment to Steve Marmel who wrote the basic outlines of the first two seasons and contributed scripts to many of its episodes.
* Creator/CartoonNetwork
** Creator/CraigMcCracken ''or'' Creator/GenndyTartakovsky in regards to ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'', depending on who you ask. Both [=McCracken=] and Tartakovsky, along with the less celebrated Paul Rudish, were also equally responsible for the creation and success of ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory''.
** In a more meta example, many of Creator/CartoonNetwork's earliest shows from the mid 90s to early 2000s [[note]] those being ''WesternAnimation/WhatACartoon'' (1995), ''WesternAnimation/CowAndChicken'' (1995), ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'' (1996), ''WesternAnimation/IAmWeasel'' (1997), ''WesternAnimation/JohnnyBravo'' (1997), and ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' (1998)[[/note]] are associated by viewers and fans alike with the channel's animation division; when in reality they were actually produced by Creator/HannaBarbera.
*** This goes double for Hanna-Barbera's sister company Creator/RubySpears, whose early home video releases were credited under the HB name for the longest time.
* ''WesternAnimation/BugsBunny''. While an early version first appeared in "Porky's Hare Hunt" by Ben Hardaway and Carl Dalton, and his first "official" appearance was in "A Wild Hare" by Creator/TexAvery (who went on to direct a number of vintage Bugs Bunny cartoons before moving to [[WesternAnimation/TexAveryMGMCartoons MGM]]), the directors who fleshed him out most were Creator/BobClampett, Creator/FrizFreleng, Creator/RobertMcKimson and perhaps most notably Creator/ChuckJones. To say nothing of the contributions of others at Termite Terrace, like writer Michael Maltese and voice actor Creator/MelBlanc. In "The Bugs Bunny Road Runner Movie", Bugs commented that, "instead of having millions of children, like your ordinary run-of-the-mill rabbit, I have several fathers."
* ''WesternAnimation/RubyGloom'', including most of her supporting characters, were created by illustrator Martin Hsu. And while his designs were excellent (except for [[{{Gonk}} his version of Misery]]), it was the writers working for Creator/{{Nelvana}} who turned Gloomsville's residents into well-defined, fleshed-out characters.
* Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird created the Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles and made [[ComicBook/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesMirage the original comic]] a CultClassic. However, when [[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987 the first animated series]] was being developed, it was writer David Wise[[note]][[NamesTheSame no relation to the musician who once worked at Rare Ltd.]][[/note]] who turned the Turtles from grim and gritty crimefighters into the comical, pizza-loving heroes who made the franchise a smash hit. And Mirage staffers like Dan Berger and Steve Murphy (who both wrote many of the most beloved TMNT comics, both in the original gritty Mirage series and the kid-friendly cartoon-based ''ComicBook/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtlesAdventures'') and Jim Lawson and Ryan Brown (who respectively created the fan-favorite supporting characters the Rat King and Leatherhead) also put their own stamp on the franchise.
* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' will always belong to Creator/LaurenFaust, who has been ascribed near-godly status by the fandom. While most fans still acknowledge showrunners Meghan [=McCarthy=] and Jayson Thiessen, she's still considered number one and the ultimate WordOfGod despite having no influence following the second season. Faust has frequently tried to invoke GodDoesNotOwnThisWorld, but the fans ''still'' regard her as the final word. Even Bonnie Zacherle, the '''creator''' of the ''Franchise/MyLittlePony'' franchise, gets phased out in comparison to Lauren.
* As something of a stock Disney fact, some consider Creator/UbIwerks the true creator of WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse due to the fact that he originally drew and animated him. Yet others still attribute the character to Creator/WaltDisney, since he did give Mickey his personality. In the words of one Disney employee, "Ub designed Mickey's physical appearance, but Walt gave him his soul."
* For many fans, the original ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}'' series is the only canon one, as it was the only one actually produced by the creators, Creator/ManOfActionStudios. However, there are also many others who greatly prefer the Glen Murakami and Creator/DwayneMcDuffie headed sequel series (''WesternAnimation/Ben10AlienForce'' and ''WesternAnimation/Ben10UltimateAlien'') for being DarkerAndEdgier.
* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries''. ComicBook/KevinConroy ''is'' Batman. And Creator/MarkHamill is ''the'' voice of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker.
** With ''WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries'': Creator/ClancyBrown, Creator/MichaelIronside and Creator/CoreyBurton ''are'' ComicBook/LexLuthor, {{ComicBook/Darkseid}} and ComicBook/{{Brainiac}}, respectively. With Franchise/{{Superman}} himself, fans tend to choose either Creator/TimDaly or ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague'''s Creator/GeorgeNewbern.
** Creator/SusanEisenberg as Franchise/WonderWoman, Creator/CarlLumbly as ComicBook/MartianManhunter, Creator/PhilLaMarr as John Stewart and Creator/MichaelRosenbaum as [[Franchise/TheFlash Wally West]].
** Creator/NathanFillion is starting to become this for [[Franchise/GreenLantern Hal Jordan]].
* And on the Marvel side of things: Creator/SteveBlum ''is'' ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}, Creator/FredTatasciore ''is'' [[ComicBook/TheIncredibleHulk the Hulk]], Creator/NolanNorth ''is'' SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}, and Creator/JoshKeaton ''is'' Franchise/SpiderMan. Unfortunately, Keaton got unceremoniously booted from his role earlier than those other actors did, with multiple [=VAs=] replacing him.
* ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'': Though creators Bob Schooley and Mark [=McCorkle=] get a fair amount of CreatorWorship, the show is generally considered to have GrownTheBeard when Steve Loter began directing the series, expanding upon Ron's character and making Kim a bit more flawed.
* ''ComicStrip/{{Popeye}}'': Despite originally starting out as a comic strip character, Creator/MaxAndDaveFleischer made Popeye into one of the most popular cartoon characters of all time, at one point eclipsing even ''Mickey Mouse''. In the original comic strips, Popeye wasn't even ''introduced'' until about ten years in; the focus of the first decade was Olive Oyl and her boyfriend at the time, Harold Hamgravy, with Olive's brother Castor and her parents Cole and Nana making frequent appearances. If you've ever heard of any of them (except Olive, of course), it wasn't from the cartoons.
* While Asajj Ventress may have been created for ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsCloneWars'' and made numerous appearance in ''Star Wars'' comics, it wasn't until Season 3 of ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' where she became a compelling and interesting character.
** The Clone Wars depiction of Anakin Skywalker is seen by most as the best interpretation, given that he is at his most noble, sympathetic, and stable even as the series shows his fall to darkness.
* ''WesternAnimation/WoodyWoodpecker'' was conceived by Creator/WalterLantz and Ben Hardaway, and designed by animation director Alex Lovy, yet many regard the cartoons that the trio worked on in the early-mid [=1940s=] to be mediocre at best, and that it was under subsequent directors ShamusCulhane and especially Dick Lundy under whom the series ''really'' got good.
* The original version of fellow Lantz character ''WesternAnimation/ChillyWilly'' created by director Paul J. Smith was a PaletteSwap of Woody. It was Creator/TexAvery who helped flesh out his character and concept along with creating a much more distinctive design.
* While Creator/MattGroening and Creator/JamesLBrooks get the bulk of credit for creating ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'', John Ortved in his book ''The Simpsons: An Uncensored, Unauthorized History'' argues that co-developer, producer and writer Sam Simon deserves at least an equal share of the credit for making the series as good as it was. Simon worked on the series for only the first four seasons but for contractual reasons he kept receiving credit and royalties from the show until his death from cancer in March 2015. Fans also credit director and animator David Silverman, who has been involved with ''The Simpsons'' since the early Tracey Ullman shorts, for establishing and refining the show's visual identity. Silverman has been responsible for handling some of the show's most unique and challenging scenes, such as Homer's chili-induced hallucinations.
* For ''Transformers'', Creator/PeterCullen ''is'' Optimus Prime (if he isn't available than it should fall to Garry Chalk), Corey Burton is Shockwave, and Chris Latta is ''definitely'' Starscream ([[AuthorExistenceFailure his death]] prevented him from ever reprising the role, but his iconic voice for the character is mimicked by virtually ''every'' voice actor that succeeded him aside from a few minor exceptions). Creator/FrankWelker is seen as ''the'' Megatron.
* ''WesternAnimation/HeyArnold'': Most of the kids in the series had multiple actors, but there would be one who fans would consider ''the'' actor.
** Creator/BenDiskin is usually remembered as ''the'' Eugene, despite having been the third actor to voice him. He lasted three seasons in the part, and was the only one of the four boys who played him to have continued with voice acting after hitting puberty (and one of the few child actors on the show in general to have done so), thus establishing Eugene as one of the "breakthrough" roles of Diskin's career.
** Adam Wylie was so memorable as Curly that he was ''brought back'' to the role after having been replaced - ''twice''. In fact, of the four actors to voice Curly, two of the others only lasted for one episode each, and the third (Michael Welch) appeared in only two.
** Arnold himself is a bit unclear. There have been a total of ''seven'' Arnolds (counting the pilot, the upcoming ''Jungle Movie'' and his TimeShiftedActor in flashbacks)[[note]]J.D. Daniels in the pilot, Lane Toran Caudell in season 1, Philip Van Dyke in seasons 2 and 3, Spencer Klein in seasons 4 and 5 up to ''Hey Arnold! The Movie'', Alex D. Linz in the post-movie episodes of season 5, Mason Vale Cotton in ''Hey Arnold! The Jungle Movie'' and Rusty Flood during flashbacks in "Parents Day" and "Helga on the Couch"[[/note]] but two of them have a pretty good claim to being ''the'' Arnold.
*** Lane Toran (then known and credited as Toran Caudell) was the first Arnold on the show proper[[note]]J.D. Daniels voiced him in the pilot, which was only shown in theaters[[/note]] and only lasted one season in the part (though he subbed in for Philip Van Dyke in the season 2 MusicalEpisode "What's Opera, Arnold?" because Van Dyke wasn't a confident singer). Even after his voice broke, he remained with the show for its entirety as the bully Wolfgang, a role created specifically for him. Due to FirstInstallmentWins, he's often remembered as "the" Arnold by the media - in 2015, a widely-reported story (with pictures!) noted how "the voice of Arnold" was all grown up. Toran is also frequently invited to fan conventions and panels reminiscing about his time on the show, alongside Francesca Marie Smith; he even appeared on the official ''Hey Arnold!'' panel at the 2017 SDCC alongside the current Arnold (Mason Vale Cotton), the only past Arnold to do so. He is also returning to provide voice work for ''The Jungle Movie''[[note]]albeit, in an unspecified role since he's too old to play Arnold, though it's possible that he might be able to reprise his role as Wolfgang[[/note]] and is, once again, the ''only'' past Arnold confirmed to make an appearance even though both Phillip Van Dyke and Spencer Klein played the role for longer.
*** Spencer Klein, unlike both Toran and Van Dyke (who later voiced {{One Shot Character}}s Sandy and Ludwig), appeared ''only'' as Arnold (he was replaced very late into the show's run, so Craig Bartlett didn't have time to recast him as somebody else, as he had done for the other two), and made the most appearances as the Football Head[[note]]He's Arnold for 37 of the show's 100 episodes plus TheMovie, as opposed to 34 for Van Dyke, 26 for Toran, 3 for Alex D. Linz and one movie for Mason Vale Cotton.[[/note]]. Each of the four voice actors portrayed Arnold slightly differently, but Klein's overtly romantic, serious, sensitive, and somewhat exaggerated goody-goody take on the character is how he is usually depicted in {{fanfiction}}.
* While the unreleased TV movie ''WesternAnimation/RobinAndTheDreamweavers'' (2001) had no studio credited to its production, Lou Scheimer's involvement as a producer has led many internet users to site Creator/{{Filmation}} as the film's creator; [[SpiritualSuccessor despite the studio having already closed its doors twelve years prior to Robin's production.]]

[[folder:Real Life]]
* Bill Walsh was this to the San Francisco 49ers, winning 3 Super Bowls under his command. Then George Seifert was chosen to replace him and he never got out of Walsh's shadow.
* While UsefulNotes/GeorgeWashington and the other Founding Fathers played an important role in forging the United States, some tend to point to the likes of UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln and UsefulNotes/TheodoreRoosevelt as being responsible for helping make America what it is today. There's also a strong argument that the real creation of the United States wasn't its independence in 1776 but the adoption of the Constitution in 1789. Of course, some figures like Washington and Franklin were present for both events.
* [[SemperFi The United States Marine Corps]] was established in July of 1798. However, most Marines trace the origins of their service to the Continental Marines, established in November of 1775.
** The United States Air Force effectively does the opposite, placing its birth on September 18, 1947, when the Air Force was formally seperated from the US Army, while also laying claim to the accomplishments made by its various predecessor services, including the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII US Army Air Forces]], and ranging all the way back to the Aeronautical Division, US Army Signal Corps, on August 1, 1907.
** Meanwhile, nobody is really sure just when the United States Navy was founded, due to fleets being put together at various places and times during the American Revolution before being taken apart by the Royal Navy.