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->''"Let's just say there's one segment of the population that loves [Tween Pop] songs, one segment that hates them and a really big segment (people on the Internet who want other Internet people to think they're cool) that feel obligated to say they hate them"''
-->-- '''[[Website/{{CRACKED}} Christina H]]''', ''[[http://www.cracked.com/article_18845_6-secret-monopolies-you-didnt-know-run-world.html 6 Monopolies You Didn't Know Run the World]]''

A {{fandom}} can sometimes reach rather [[FanDumb illogical levels.]] But let's face it, [[{{Hatedom}} hating a thing]] can bring out the {{jerkass}} in someone as much as liking it, [[{{GIFT}} especially on the Internet.]] Actions that drop someone's [[TookALevelInDumbass IQ points to dangerously low levels]] can be inspired by hate as easily as by love.

Hate dumb is the polar opposite of {{fan dumb}}. It always exists-- where there is fan dumb, there is hate dumb.

The bottom line is this: it's okay to dislike a show/movie/game/book/character/whatever. But there are civil, socially acceptable ways of expressing that dislike, just like with expressing love for a character or medium. It's going too far in disliking something that dislike becomes hate dumb.

Of course, much like fan dumb, hate dumb are usually just a {{vocal minority}} of people who don't like something. Sometimes it's not even considered part of the hatedom. [[SilentMajority Most of them]], including yourself (unless you actually do fit this, and you won't know if you do) are pretty respectful when it comes to critiquing a work, or will simply just ignore it as they fully know that they won't enjoy the work and let the fans be.

As a footnote, to many a devoted fan, nearly every hatedom for their fandom is a hate dumb. There is often a broad overlap between people who accuse others of being in a hate dumb and people who enjoy {{complaining about people not liking the show}}. Similarly, to many a devoted hater, nearly every fandom for their hatedom is fan dumb. This goes to show the polar opposites of it.

The concept is closely related to DontShootTheMessage.

Not to be confused with {{hatedom}}, which is the intelligent version of this. Well... the ''less stupid'' version, anyway.

''Please do not put this on a work's page including its sub-pages. The only exception is if it is {{invoked}} canonically as someone's character trait. In that case, mark it as such''.

!!Common variations of Hate Dumb:

* '''FanHater:''' These cannot dislike a work ''and'' accept that it appeals to other people. [[OpinionMyopia How dare someone have such bad taste?]] They simply aren't content to live and let live. Fan Haters are prone to blindly bashing fans and stereotyping them all into one or two categories of people (example: Celebrity magazines are only bought by gay men, morbidly obese middle aged housewives, and people who need to line their bird cages!). Sometimes, they might even say that people are "only pretending to like the object of their contempt" (because they're "sheep" or whatever). These people seem to see themselves as the "Average" demographic, and when someone likes something they don't, they become unable to see ''why''. (The [[ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow inverse]] happens, too) It doesn't matter whether most of the fandom fits this description or not. Often prone to making up stories about FanDumb ComplainingAboutPeopleNotLikingTheShow. Many times, these people are acting like FanFiction and Fan Art itself somehow affects the actual quality of what the author's writing (Many of which have ''never'' read the fanfiction in the first place) of the show.[[note]] Some who actually ''do'' acknowledge the fanfiction, don't use it to perpetuate a negative image of the {{Fandom}}, but still bicker over it, are more rival fans and Fandumb[[/note]] Fan Haters may often judge a show's quality based ''entirely'' off of its fans, whilst ignoring the other FanDumb of their own interests. Mentioning any of the Fandom that's ''not'' fitting this stereotype will often result in something similar to NoTrueScotsman. In the minds of {{Fan Hater}}s, there is no such thing as Fandom. There is only FanDumb.
* '''Author Haters:''' These people may not hate the fans, ''per se,'' but they certainly hate the author of the work. While it's natural to be annoyed with someone who has brought a bad show into existence, these people take it so far that it seems to be a personal RoaringRampageOfRevenge. In extreme cases, death threats may ensue. RunningTheAsylum can justify some author hate, but [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope only to a point.]] Of course [[ScapegoatCreator whether the author]] [[MisBlamed is truly responsible]] for the contents of the work or changes in the adaptation, or was even truly the creator of the work, doesn't matter: Author haters will blame the head editor for stuff they couldn't have done, or a creator lower on the food chain for events caused by ExecutiveMeddling.
* '''Complaining about works one didn't take in''': These haters have never seen the show in question, but they still know they hate it. They will refuse to watch it at all. There isn't necessarily anything in the show itself that they would dislike, if only they would watch it -- HypeAversion, or the [[NeverTrustATrailer trailer for the work]] has made them determined to avoid direct exposure.
** '''The Preemptive Hater''': These guys ''really'' hate something. They seem to know almost everything about the object of their hate. The problem is, the work they hate hasn't been released. Often, it hasn't even been finished. These people are basing their hatedom on previews, teasers, and miscellaneous information floating around about the unreleased project; from it, they have constructed a picture of something they loathe intensely. In some cases, the hate may be based on information that was [[StrawmanFallacy never conveyed in the first place]], but is treated as confirmed fact. This is more common in the internet age, since people can get all sorts of false information (and true info, for that matter) from FanDumb and other Hate Dumb; and when release dates are staggered, there can be preemptive haters on the same board as people who do have access to the work. {{Remake}}s of works are frequent targets of this -- people anticipate AdaptationDecay. On the bright side, the odds of getting a preemptive hater to see the work when the time comes is better than that for someone complaining about a ''extant'' show they don't watch.
* '''The Obsessed Hater''': They hate the show. They hate every one of the 42 hours per week they spend watching it. They hate every one of the 49 hours per week they spend blogging about it. They hate the crappy merchandise and only buy it all so that they can get a deeper knowledge of the many ways it's bad... It's the opposite of "Complaining about works one didn't take in". Being informed about the work so one isn't blindly complaining [[TropesAreTools is a good thing,]] but this hater takes it overboard by spending more time obsessing over their object of hate than the fans do in liking it. Expect some of these haters to use the InsaneTrollLogic that somehow, ''because'' this show is still on, it affects the quality of the shows that ''they'' like. Corporate creators love this kind of Hate Dumb better than a lukewarm fandom -- it's more profitable, and gives them free advertisement. (They spread the show word of mouth, people actually see it to see how bad it really is...you get the picture. See the PeripheryDemographic of ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic]]'' for how effective advertisers these anti-fans can be). In a nutshell; this is the kind of person who claims to have been lost as a customer; yet they keep buying from you again and again. Sometimes they even bring in ''new'' customers who try out of BileFascination and discover CriticalBacklash instead.
** '''IWasJustPassingThrough:''' Obsessed haters who claim, not just that they hate the show, but that they've found something better. Yet, no matter what, they are true to their original Hate Dumb despite the new show. Their perverse attachment to the old hated work is often stronger than that to the show they claim to be a fan of -- assuming they aren't Gushing About Shows They Don't Watch. These customers are like the above; but they make sure to let you know that your competitors are better...yet for some reason keep going back to you. Very common in [[MassivelyMultiplayerOnlineRolePlayingGame [=MMOs=]]] where you'll see somebody raving about how much better some other [=MMO=] is.
** '''The Revenge Troll''': This is a hater who is hate-obsessed indeed, but they appear to have taken their hatred to [[ItsPersonal personal levels]]. This may overlap with the '''Author Haters''' as well. Expect them to constantly wish for the work's demise, or for the author to retire, obsessing about it like they want revenge on something. They may often misblame the object of their hatred to have caused their favourite show to be canceled, or act more like [[YouKilledMyFather the show or the author snuck into their house at night and murdered their family while they slept]]. However; in the more extreme examples, some people will even cross the MoralEventHorizon, wishing not just cancellation on the show, but wishing for the author or the creators and/or writers of the show[[note]]or sometimes even ''everyone'' who was ever involved with the show (the main actors, the set-designers, actors who made a one-shot appearance on the show and never appeared on it again after that, the sky's the limit)[[/note]] to have terrible things happen to them in real life. This is even more off-putting because they are wishing this on other ''real people'', not just characters from other realities through fiction. The ones who take it that far often overlap with the InternetToughGuy (what better way to creep people out than to intentionally threaten or publicly wish harm on another human being?).
** '''The Chronic Flouncer''': He is so done with the show, and he will tell you so with an epic post detailing just how much he hates it now and how much better the first season was, capping his post with a seemingly final goodbye to everyone because have we mentioned that he is completely and utterly done with this terrible show? He's dunzo. Finished. Over it. Until next week, at least, when he's back to complain yet again about the next episode, which he took the time to watch, then complain bitterly about its terrible quality. Afterwards, he announces yet again that he is done ''for really, really, real this time!'' Don't get too comfortable with his absence, because he'll be back not only for next week's episode but for the next season as well, which he will, of course, vow in his weekly farewell address to not watch even at gunpoint.
* '''Hipster Hater''': An obsessed hater that insists that their obsession with the object of their hate is "ironic", or insist that any work which becomes mainstream has "sold out" and cannot be TrueArt: [[ItsPopularNowItSucks if it's popular, it sucks.]] They cannot be an acknowledged fan to a popular work, so they are this instead. This tends to overlap with business hatred, too. Many of these guys will buy alternate brand names or other such stuff to "Stick it to the man". Expect many of these people to complain about businesses trying to make a profit, such as saying it is "unforgivable" that businesses *gasp* have terms of service or ask ''money'' for their works. Corporate creators have no problems with this sort of Hate Dumb, either.
** '''The [[StrawCritic Art Critic]]''': Holy crap, look at this [insert media here]! It's got action and no drama and no symbolism! It's trash appealing to the LowestCommonDenominator and the reason (insert culture here) is turning into morons! There's no art in it! Some decry video games for "instant gratification" or music for shallow lyrics, but regardless, they'll sound like stereotypes of snobby art-house types. Sometimes, these guys are even ''more'' harsh on works that are [[LookingAGiftHorseInTheMouth distributed for free]] or something they pirated like video games or movies.
* '''Pop Culture Snob''': The opposite of the Hipster Hater, they actively avoid anything outside a narrow range of popular shows. [[WidgetSeries Anything foreign is "too weird."]] [[SciFiGhetto Anything Sci Fi is meaningless and geeky]]. Anything over five years old is "for old people". Anything involving an animal must be {{yiff}}. [[AnimationAgeGhetto Anything animated is for little kids]] (unless it's [[AllAdultAnimationIsSouthPark something like Family Guy, The Simpsons or South Park]]). The inverse of ItsPopularNowItSucks. Their battle cry is '''It's Unpopular, So It Sucks'''. Needless to say, this type of hater is found mostly within the 12-19 year old crowd and is pretty uncommon elsewhere.
* '''The [[FandomRivalry Rival Fan]]''': This hater ''loves'' a work. Just... not this one. They belong to some fandom with a long-standing [[FandomRivalry rivalry]] with the work they don't like. They tend to insist that the object of their hate is a shoddy knockoff of their show, even when it's completely different. They also insist that [[NoTrueScotsman No]] TrueFan of their show [[YouFailLogicForever could ever like both their show and the show they hate]]. These guys may often invoke [[TheyCopiedItSoItSucks accusations of other works attempting to ride on their show's popularity or success]] This overlaps with FanDumb. It can also happen ''[[BrokenBase within]]'' fandoms. Compare the haters who think '''[[ItsTheSameSoItSucks everything is the same]]'''; they could perhaps be called twin Hate Dumb.
** Overlapping very heavily with this is the '''[[HypocriticalFandom Hypocrite fan]]'''. This type of fan is from Fandom Rivalry more often than not, but they often hate trait(s) of other shows/genres, but at the same time, ''their'' own work does the exact same thing, too.
** One common '''Rival Fan''' is the fan of a ''different version'' of the work, often a fan of the source material for the adaptation. They tend to hold a grudge against the adaptation for every change it makes from the original ([[AdaptationDistillation whether necessary]] or [[AdaptationDecay unnecessary]]). Take, for example, the rabid fan of ''{{Theatre/Pygmalion}}'' who bears a grudge against ''Theatre/MyFairLady'' for being a musical romance instead of a social satire. Naturally, this tends to overlap with '''Pop Culture Snob''' (books are always better than moving pictures!) and '''Preemptive Hater''' (I saw a photo of the film shoot in ''Cinemafangique'', I knew all along they were going to ruin the book!)
* '''The Hate Monger''': A kind of Hate Dumb that exists around specific characters within a work. They may or may not be a fan of that work itself, but they will not tolerate the existence of the specific characters at ''all''. Whenever the character is even put into [[CharacterFocus focus,]] the hater will be the first to cry "SpotlightStealingSquad!" They also use the "MarySue" label as a weapon and declare the character they do not like a MarySue. It does not matter if the character really is a MarySue; nor does it matter if the hate monger has [[YouKeepUsingThatWord any idea what a Mary Sue is supposed to be]] -- these people have devalued the term. Even if they are right about the character taking too much screentime, their hatred of that character impairs their common sense. [[FanHater They will not allow the character to have fans]] [[RonTheDeathEater if they can help it]]. Hate Mongers have also been known to call "{{Wangst}}" (or a synonym thereof) on someone being justifiably sad... Sometimes, the Hate Monger is a bitter result of DieForOurShip or FandomRivalry around a specific character, hating a character because they want to see more of one they like. TheScrappy is a common target by definition. Someone who tends to be made a DracoInLeatherPants is also a frequent target, even if the voice of moderation tries to speak up. Often a subset of The Mad Bride/Groom, as pairings and [=OTPs=] tend to have ''someone'' [[MurderTheHypotenuse lose out]].
** '''The Mad Homophobe''': A type of Hate Monger who frequently throws around accusations of homosexuality, mostly [[YouKeepUsingThatWord Gay]]. Typically, this is the first thing they say about a character, that they are gay with little justification. Someone is best friends with a member of the same sex? They're gay lovers. Someone isn't interested in romance? They're gay. Someone is Asexual? They're gay. Someone is masculine? They're gay. Guy is Bishounen? He's gay. Anyone was portrayed as gay by Fans? They're canonically gay. Often bizarre versions of Love Makes You Hateful -- they'll be fine with any romance ''as long as it's not gay''. If it is -- oops, not for kids, or HOLY FUCK NOT CANON!!
** '''Love Makes You Hateful''': A mutation of The Mad Bride/Groom, these are usually self-proclaimed ex-fans who ragequit fandom when their favorite pairing was {{jossed}}, or worse, made fun of -- whether or not the creator actually insulted pairings or not. HateFic, DieForOurShip, all those good fandom-ruining stereotypes can be traced back to these brand of crazies.
* '''Bandwagon Hater''': Opposes this work, but only as long as it's the trendy thing to do. This hater is always on the lookout for AcceptableTargets, not because they truly hate them, but because it's fun to complain and [[LonersAreFreaks no fun to do it alone.]] Sometimes, the Bandwagon Hater will ''like'' the AcceptableTarget but deny having anything but hate towards it. More often than not, these people may have even been ''fans'' of the show, especially in shows where it was trendy to like it, but then it became trendy to ''hate'' it. A very good way of spotting this if any CausticCritic releases a scathing review, or if the majority of a fanbase or popular forum hates it, even if they had previously liked the work, and afterwords, start carbon-copying their opinions, sometimes ''word for word''. In extreme cases, they may have no opinions of their own. The inverse happens in FanDumb, as well. Essentially; this is what the page quote is; the person who hates something not because they genuinely dislike it but because the "cool kids" told them to.
** '''The Wannabe CausticCritic''': Runs about nitpicking things -- a misplaced pixel? This game is trash. An artistic choice that I don't like? The fans are morons. They will savage everything and anything about a media... without the wit, grace, and, worst of all, humor of the people they attempt to emulate. Everything in this work is incredibly, irredeemably shitty to them, and expect far more personal attacks than anything approaching criticism. Warning: don't compare them to popular {{Caustic Critic}}s. Actually, [[{{Troll}} please do, and watch the extreme anger]].
* '''He Panned It Now It Sucks''': Similar to the Bandwagon Hater, except it's done more out of [[CreatorWorship because someone they're a fan of hated it]], than out of a desire to fit in -- which means that this hater [[SeriousBusiness takes it far more seriously than the bandwagon hater does]]. If the Creator in question mentions that they hate something, then this person will immediately and loudly proclaim their hatred of it regardless of how they felt about it before. Never tell this type of fan that you enjoy both the creator's work and the work that the creator hates. If you do, then the worst of these haters will fly off the handle and assert that you can't be [[FandomHeresy a true fan of the creator and still enjoy the other work]]. Common with fanbases of {{Caustic Critic}}s.
* '''The Willfully Blind''': Yes, these exist in Hate Dumb too. Similar to the willfully blind in FanDumb, the Hate Dumb variety will refuse to acknowledge any potential strengths or possibly even anything that was done correctly. The willfully blind may also try and convince everyone else to HandWave the strengths because they ''do not exist''. They are prone to AccentuateTheNegative arguments or reviews. Sometimes, they may have a single issue about the work and hate it solely because of that -- usually because they stopped watching afterwards. Expect even in-depth reviews written by this hater to discuss ''only the parts they know and can't stand''. Even if the production staff ran every decision by them, they would complain about how they "weren't asked enough". No matter what, the willfully blind will fixate on a single flaw or ''any'' weaknesses.
* '''[[PeripheryHatedom The Genre Alien]]''': The Genre Alien is a rather amusing hater, a less focused version of the Obsessed variety. They will make it clear that they utterly hate a genre, or a series. Nevertheless, they seek works in that genre out. They see examples of it and ''then'' complain how much it sucks. Interestingly, they are likely to criticize stuff that makes the genre [[AnthropicPrinciple what it is]]. (For instance, they might complain about kiss scenes in ''romance movies'', blood and swearing in ''Film/DieHard'', or soft rock band America not being "heavy enough".) They may be constructive, or attempt to be constructive, but when they start complaining about Fundamental Genre tropes as "weaknesses" or suggest rewriting the show in its entirety and changing the story to fit how they would view it as an improvement, (This is not considered constructive criticism in the creative writing field) then it pretty much stops being constructive criticism and starts to veer into "Destructive Criticism" territory. This brings out a subspecies called '''The Mad Editor'''.
** '''The Mad Editor''': This is a subspecies of the above. This person frequently suggests a complete rewrite of the work, but they view it as improving it, even if it involves Flanderizing or Bowlderizing the work, [[CharacterDerailment completely derailing the characters]], or [[InNameOnly complete genre-shifts and abandoning the work in its entirety]]. This very often overlaps with the [[PeripheryHatedom Periphery Hate Dumb]]. These people often break out in vicious flamewars with types of FanDumb, making it [[GrayAndGrayMorality hard to discern who is who.]] Remember, constructive criticism is an attempt to tell the creator how they can do it better the way ''they'' want to, not how ''you'' want to.
** '''Made The Wrong Turn''': Similar to the Genre Alien, these are haters who are fans of a work that somehow directly offends their worldview or beliefs or something similar. Political conservatives who are fans of ''Franchise/StarTrek'' or Creator/StephenColbert, for example, or homophobes that find themselves fans of Music/{{Queen}} or Music/XJapan, or fundamentalist Christians who somehow like ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' or ''Literature/HarryPotter''. Often overlaps with the Mad Editor (in that they will deny or change elements of the work that upset their personal morals, ''even if that's the point of the work''), the PC Crusader or the Un-PC Crusader (in that they will rail at whatever is offending them and the fans that are okay with it), the Demonizer, and/or the Mad Homophobe.
* '''[[ItsTheSameNowItSucks Everything is the same]]''': These haters are commonly known for having a minimalistic view of fandoms they don't belong to. Sometimes, entire franchises or genres will attract these types of haters. They will pull the "It's the exact same as this"-card, sometimes without even seeing it. They sometimes have no moderate or casual likes; they view ''everything'' they aren't an outright fan of narrowly. For instance, somebody who does ''not'' like High-School dramas might view every show set in high school as being like ''Series/{{Degrassi}}''. Note that, in such a case, it is possible that they ''like'' ''Degrassi'' and just think all the others are redundant (since they're the same) and thus pointless -- in which case, they're likely a '''Rival Fan'''. Many times, they invoke the "TheyCopiedItSoItSucks" card and accuse ''everything'' of being a ripoff of something they consider quality, even works that came out [[OlderThanTheyThink before the work they like]].
* '''StopHavingFunGuys''': The "Stop Having Fun" Guys will insist that everyone else is doing it wrong. They not only hate the other fans who enjoy it a specific way, but will also insult ''other haters''. These people are often known for having ''very'' specific single-issue criteria when they pick something new, which causes them to have ridiculously high standards. In the worst cases, they'll join a Hatedom because the work they tried to be a fan of was too...''different'' from what they normally like; instead of trying to adapt, they claim it to be crap and that [[FanHater everyone who likes it doesn't know what true fun is]]. Some of these people will go on tangents explaining ''one'' situation they had with a game and then insisting the entire game is like that. Many times; the hatred of new editions, updates, or sequels consist of these people who complain about how the developers are "punishing skill" amongst other things because they assessed widely exploited glitches and shortcomings. Read the article for some more specific examples.
* '''Nostalgia Inversion''': Nostalgia Inversion is when HypeBacklash and SeinfeldIsUnfunny mix. The hater refuses to realize that something wasn't made in the present day, and refuses to make allowance for it. They cannot put themselves in the correct mindset to watch a work made before its genre got deconstructed. Or they expect special effects to look the same in the '50s as in the '00s.
** The opposite is the '''NostalgiaFilter'''. You will notice that we have a trope for this -- because it is such a common behaviour to trash on the modern stuff and idealize the stuff you liked when you were younger, because it's skewed through the years that you only remember the ''good'' parts -- not the fact that there was a PeripheryHatedom for something that was marketed to you at age six. Not the fact that even adults were criticising it for the same reasons you criticize the modern stuff for...only the good parts, ie, the pros. For a more in-depth example, check the article, but this is an unfortunate type because it's ''so'' propagated and encouraged in fandom.
* '''Anne (or [[SpearCounterpart Andy]]) Titlement''': Anne Titlement is a type of hater who claims that nobody makes the kinds of work ''they'' enjoy anymore, or that there isn't enough of it. Any examples of that work or related works (by genre or by creator sometimes) have already been enjoyed and Anne Titlement wants more. Well, that's valid, right? Not when it means you begin viciously attacking ''everything'' else. This type of hater is shocked, ''[[Film/{{Casablanca}} shocked]]'' that something was made without ''them'' in mind. And if you are a fan of such a work, then [[FanHater it's your fault that nothing "good" is made anymore]]. Anne Titlement often views things through a sharp NostalgiaFilter. In their mind, hating something is never ''their'' fault.
** A subset of the above, '''[[PeripheryHatedom The Periphery Hate Dumb]]''': This is someone who clearly hates something, yet it should be obvious why -- it clearly wasn't made with their demographic in mind. Most people actually hate on something that wasn't made for them (Works developed for young children most come to mind, followed closely by stuff that is known for targeting the opposite gender), so you would honestly think they would ignore it, right? Nope. Part of the reason this hatedom came into being was when parents decided to watch the shows their kid watched and, as natural, because it wasn't made for them (Same way most shows parents enjoy aren't made for children) they disliked it. Unfortunately this has caused it to be associated with Maturity, meaning that in an effort to be "cool" and look "mature", people often deny any association to that show made for younger children. This sometimes overlaps with the '''Culture Alien''' in that they often come up with complaints ''about'' the show that is pretty much what ''makes'' it a kid/boy/girl-friendly show in the first place, and taking their constructive criticisms seriously would result in an InNameOnly show that's a complete genre shift, as is the '''Mad Editor'''.
* '''The Crusader''': Hating something is SeriousBusiness to these people; it is practically their life's mission is to spread the message of {{Hatedom}} around. The Crusader is frequently launching [[FlameWar Holy wars]] against forums, sometimes even organizing spam-raids on forums, or frequently derailing threads to state why ''they'' think it sucks. These types have been the cause of more work pages being locked on this very wiki than a lot of us are proud of.
* '''The Purist''': One of the most wide encompassing forms of Hate Dumb, and arguably, an unholy abomination of ''multiple'' kinds of Haters rolled into one entitled person. Purists have an ideal vision on how a franchise can go, but sometimes, Purists can go ''several'' steps beyond just having an ideal view of a franchise. '''The Purist''' can ''also'' have an idealized view of ''the fandom'' of a particular franchise, and even in worst cases, the ''entire market''. Naturally, many of these guys [[FanHater tend to hate franchises based solely off of the fans themselves]], often citing the fandom as one of the reasons they dislike a franchise, sometimes not even giving it a chance. The Purist also does not stop at just hating fans, but also, they believe that they are the centre (and largest contributer) of the entire market, thus, any and all executive decisions should not be made without consulting them first. Any new demographic being brought into the market, or a simple shift in demographic will not only get the FanDumb crying, but also the haters, because they will ''hate'' these newcomers to the market with almost every passion of their being. Because The Purist has a ''very'' idealised vision of their own fandom; naturally, they are often the type to declare new fans to [[NoTrueScotsman "not be true fans"]] of the series, any new entries to [[FanonDiscontinuity "not be true entries]]". ''VERY'' prone to TheyChangedItNowItSucks-type arguments. There are also versions of the Purist who will simply point out any shift/expansion in demographic to be a reason ''why'' it sucks. Amongst long essays about how new Johnny-Come-Latelys have ruined the market/fandom/show forever, [[ItsPopularNowItSucks as well as how it was better when it wasn't popular]], also expect Slippery Slope type arguments about ''why'' it is bad, and how they expect FollowTheLeader to come against them. (Once more, mentioning a ''similar'' argument about any FollowTheLeader type stuff against ''your'' interests will not be responded to, at best, or countered with an essay on how wrong you are and how you have no taste, if not a HandWave.)
* '''Undercover Fans''': These are not truly haters, but rather fans, who appeal to the large Hatedom of their object of obsession in order to spread the word. They will derail every thread, come up with the lamest of jokes and in general, will do anything to put the alleged object of their hate into the center of attention. {{Fan Hater}}s will generally take the bait, and what was before a previously completely unrelated topic will now be derailed into a discussion over how horrible that certain thing is. Not only does the corporate world love these guys, some of them are actually [[{{Astroturfing}} corporate agents themselves]], actively involved in viral marketing.
* '''The Science Snob/Armchair Historian:''' People with a WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief thinner than a razor. One "inaccuracy" or dramatization for the sake of pacing or story will cause them to declare the show a pile of unwatchable dreck and "not properly researched", regardless of whether or not they [[{{Irony}} did the research themselves and watched the damn media in question]]. Very commonly blind to AcceptableBreaksFromReality, and may often be found complaining about "unrealistic" aspects of a media... despite the media having things like [[BatmanCanBreatheInSpace flying in space without a pressurized suit]], involving alien ghosts controlled by a reality-warping AI fighting physics-defying transforming monsters, or {{telekinesis}}[=/=]magic and dragons flying around.
* '''The PC Crusader:''': If there's a minority in a work of fiction, '''[[EverythingIsRacist it's racist,]] [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad homophobic, sexist trash.]]''' [[UnpleasableFanbase No matter how a character belonging to a minority is treated]], the PC Crusader will find a way to make the author sound like they are single-handedly restoring blackface and bigotry to fiction. Black character who happens to help the protagonists somehow? MagicalNegro. A black villain? UnfortunateImplications! An LGBTQ character who shifts the views of an ignorant or homophobic character? MagicalQueer! A feminine woman? RealWomenNeverWearDresses! A tomboy? A flat fetishistic macho fantasy! A disabled character attempting to overcome hurdles? InspirationallyDisadvantaged! The work taking an overtly social justice-friendly stance? Insincere pandering/virtue signaling! A neutral/apolitical work? Fence-sitting is tacit approval of oppression! And so on and so forth. Any discussion of bigotry, no matter how negatively portrayed, automatically makes those who made it bigots, regardless of how anti-bigotry it is. Oftentimes dismissing entire genres based on select media showing bigotry, imagined or otherwise. Needless to say, [[MortonsFork the only thing worse than putting minority characters into a work is]] ''[[MortonsFork not]]'' [[MonochromeCasting putting minority characters into a work]], even in works going for historical accuracy where including anyone outside of a specific race would be objectively inaccurate.
** '''The Un-PC Crusader''': What's that? The creator of my favorite work has decided to drop a very stereotypical character/issue, apologized to offended parties, made this work as a protest against stereotypes, and/or has spoken out against media portrayals of a minority? Now they're shoving their opinions down your throat/kowtowing to [=SJWs=]! The Un-PC Crusader will, at the slightest hint of a show displaying supposed PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad, take it as a sign of the wimpification of society, exercise their right to free speech by being horribly racist and often make "edgy", "ironic" offensive jokes, harass and flame fans for being "[=SJWs=]", make long screeds on why not having problematic material hurts straight white males and the fandom, or rush to defend actually racist/sexist/homophobic/whathaveyou practices and trends in the guise of 'free speech' - if they're not actual white supremacists or virulent homophobes. In extreme circumstances, [[http://www.dorkly.com/post/85800/star-wars-the-last-jedi-mra-edit-no-women the Un-PC Crusader may even become a Mad Editor]], [[AdaptationInducedPlotHole potentially rendering the "offending" work completely incoherent]] just to remove the target of their bigotry. Unfortunately, with some recent works that irk Un-PC Crusaders, they often dominate less-than-positive discussion of the work and twist legitimate criticisms from non-Un-PC Crusaders into "proof" that the producers sacrificed quality for ideology, completely and utterly derailing any critical discussion of that work outside Un-PC Crusader circles.
** More often than not, the above two members of Hate Dumb will fight, for obvious reasons, and cause a vicious cycle of blaming the other for taking drastic action (i.e.: FanWank). And more often than not, the PC Crusader will fight with other Crusaders over what minority is more oppressed, if a minority should be treated as a sacred cow or like anyone else, etc. etc. In any case, it's [[PassThePopcorn great fun to watch from the sidelines]], though such debates can descend into extremely ugly or even outright dangerous territory depending on the people involved, as both parties tend to be inordinately fond of dragging it into real life and making it personal.
* '''The Anti-Romantic''': The bizarro version of [[FanDumb The Mad Bride/Groom]]; any hint of shipping or romance in the fandom will send them into a frothing rage instead of a squee of fangirl glee. You can see these species endlessly lambasting a fandom upon learning about a fan-made pairings, blaming tween girls and other scapegoats for their departure from fandom/why they refuse to associate with fans. Often just as stupid as rabid shippers themselves. They infest all works, regardless of whether or not the actual work itself has romance or otherwise. If it does, they are prone to turning at least one half of the romance into RonTheDeathEater, or [[FanWank rationalizing]] why the romance doesn't exist.
* '''[[{{Demonization}} The Demonizer]]''': This is the Hate Dumb version of the [[FanDumb Fandom Moral Guardian]]. He will find anything violent/sexual/other in this work and say that it will cause anyone who watches it to do something horrible. If something bad happens (and especially if the work is involved), expect to hear this guy say that it was responsible and needs to be banned. Related to the '''PC Crusader''', this is an early stage in becoming a MoralGuardian.
** '''The Godwin's Law Enforcer''' The unholy cross between a FanHater and a Demonizer. A hate dumb will have these guys depending on how long the work/genre/animation has been around (if it's been around that long) and who were fond of that certain work. If the work/genre/animation was liked by someone considered horrible (or whom they consider horrible), then they'll compare the fans of said work to that person. See HitlerAteSugar.
* '''Downvoters''': Their behaviour can best be described as a cross between that of a rival fan and somebody complaining about shows they don't watch. As the name implies their main form of interest is to go on a review site and give any work on the same 'best' list that somehow got a higher score than the work they are a fan of a score of 0 or 1 out of 10. It does not matter to them whether or not the work is good, or even if they have seen it, the sheer fact that it scores higher on the same list is for them enough justification to give it a score that is that low. These type of haters (together with the FanDumb they may outbalance) can reduce the quality of a review site a lot and lots of review sites have taken measures to prevent this hatedom from doing what it does. (Lemon64 for instance, publishes below its own top 100 games list a list with the most controversial voters, which are people that gave a 1 or 2 out of 10 on the best list or 9 or 10 out of 10 on the 'worst list' in order to make it easier to see to who you should listen and to who not).
** '''Review Trolls'''. These are people who actively go on user review sites such as Amazon.com or Metacritic and post 1 star reviews for pretty much anything within their respective hatedom. They might have never even seen/heard/played the work in question. They'll just post a one to three sentence "review", [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike saying that the work sucks without really describing why.]] In some cases, they might even create multiple accounts posting one star reviews for the work (or works) in question just to bring down the average review score. Alternatively, on sites that allow users to rate reviews as "Helpful" or "Not Helpful," they might hit "Not Helpful" for any positive (or even average) review of the work in question, regardless of how well written or informative the review is, while hitting "Helpful" for any one star reviews they come across (even the most poorly constructed ones). They might even create one or more alternate accounts specifically to write multiple one star reviews for the same work, hit "Helpful" for one of their very own reviews or for somebody else's (usually a fellow Review Troll's) one star review. Or to hit "Not Helpful" for somebody else's five star review. Needless to say, such people can seriously bring down the quality of a review page and irritate prospective buyers or actual fans of the work. These people crop up in FanDumb as well.
* '''The Copycat Accuser''': These haters will complain, or worse - cry plagiarism, at the slightest sign of similarity with another work. In other words, they live and breathe "TheyCopiedItSoItSucks" It doesn't occur that nearly every work throughout history draws inspiration from those that came before it - if it's not a [[JustForFun/TheTropelessTale tropeless tale]], it's a clone of another work. This almost always overlaps with another variation of Hate Dumb, and is used to enhance excuses rather than establish them, because otherwise, this would apply to literally every work in existence. Most commonly, this will overlap with '''Author Hater''' (hating on the work because of its author), '''The Rival Fan''' (accusing the work of copying the work the hater ''does'' like) or '''Bandwagon Hater''' (accusing the work of being a copycat because others have)