%% Image chosen by Image Pickin' thread: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1319909712084640100
%% Please do not change or remove without starting a new thread.
%%
[[quoteright:350:http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/BaconAndNecktieMoralityGraph_6986.png]]
[[caption-width-right:350:''Ye who walk with the Path of Bacon shall be [[BaconAddiction given breakfast]]. Yet ye who follow the Way of Necktie shall be put in [[SharpDressedMan appropriate attire]].'']]
%% Please note subject-verb agreement - Ye walk, not "Ye walks".

->"''[[AboveGoodAndEvil We cannot do wrong; neither have we any disposition to do it, for we do not know what it is]]."''
-->-- '''Literature/TheMysteriousStranger'''

To say that questions of [[WhiteAndGreyMorality morality]] are thorny and [[GreyAndGrayMorality filled with gray]] when they aren't being [[BlackAndWhiteMorality hammered]] between [[BlackAndGrayMorality stark]] [[EvilVersusEvil absolutes]] is putting it mildly. Because of this there can be great drama when characters who [[ShadesOfConflict represent a wide range]] of moral viewpoints come [[TeethClenchedTeamwork together]] or into conflict.

The strangest of these characters are those who espouse Blue And Orange Morality. These characters have a moral framework that is so utterly alien and foreign to human experience that we can't peg them as good or evil. They aren't a ChaoticNeutral [[TheUnfettered Unfettered]], though they may seem to act [[CloudCuckooLander terrifyingly randomly;]] nor are they necessarily a LawfulNeutral [[TheFettered Fettered]], because our and their understanding of 'law' as a concept may not even be equivalent. There might be a [[InsaneTrollLogic logic]] behind their actions, it's just that they operate with entirely different sets of values and premises with which to draw their conclusions. It's also worth noting that such cultures are just as likely to be something we'd find appalling, as they are to be something we'd find benign and/or weird. [[HumansThroughAlienEyes They may also find us appalling, benign, or weird even if we don't see them that way.]]

That [[AboveGoodAndEvil doesn't make them bad]]. And although they are often likely to commit acts we would see as horrific, some are unusually benign. Either way they tend to act as if nothing were the matter. Because in their world/mind, [[ItsWhatIDo that's just what they do]]. This trope is one of the trickier to pull off well, because MostWritersAreHuman, and it's often hard to portray alien ''truly'' foreign.

This is similar to ValuesDissonance, but the main difference is that societies with ValuesDissonance can, at least on a basic level, generally measure one another by the same concepts of Good and Evil, or even Order and Chaos. With Blue and Orange Morality, the values are so foreign, that such concepts can no longer be applied. They may not even know what these things are, or even if they do, will often find them confusing. The concepts are not necessarily beyond their grasp, mind you, but are just not something which they'd place any importance on.

Conversely, they may have these concepts, but apply them in vastly different ways. Such as regarding motionlessness as the epitome of evil, or viewing exploration as an element of chaos.

Note that cases involving solely [[PoorCommunicationKills a misapprehension of facts and consequences]] do not count here no matter how alien the reasons; if, for example, a race of aliens thinks [[ImmortalLifeIsCheap killing is okay]] because its own members [[HealingFactor respawn within a day]] with [[DeathIsCheap no harm done]], and [[IThoughtEveryoneCouldDoThat mistake humans as working the same way]], that doesn't mean they wouldn't balk at killing if they realized the degree of harm it causes to other creatures. In this case, they may be working by comprehensible moral standards and just gravely mistaken about the implications of their actions.

Likely candidates for Blue and Orange Morality include TheFairFolk, who follow rules of their own making; {{Eldritch Abomination}}s that are beyond comprehension; the more exotic StarfishAliens; [[RobotRollCall AIs and robots]], [[SlidingScaleOfRobotIntelligence especially]] when [[SuperIntelligence super smart]] and [[TheSpock incapable of emotion]]. An individual human (or single members of any species whose majority is using the [[BlackAndGrayMorality greyscale]] [[BlackAndWhiteMorality morality]]) who operates on this is the {{Ubermensch}} of [[Creator/FriedrichNietzsche Nietzschean philosophy]] (a ''human being'' who has developed their ''own'' Blue/Orange set of morals). A NominalHero may have this motivation as well. MoralSociopathy overlaps strongly with this trope [[LackOfEmpathy for obvious reasons]], though this is not always the case.

Compare {{Xenofiction}}, HumansAreCthulhu, HumanityIsInfectious (all often involving this), NonMaliciousMonster (sometimes requires this), AboveGoodAndEvil, AffablyEvil / FauxAffablyEvil (they sometimes can come across as this), EvenEvilHasStandards (when handled poorly or bizarrely), and EvilCannotComprehendGood (less elaborate forms that resemble this in practice). When two sides go to war and nothing will stop them except total annihilation, that's GuiltFreeExterminationWar.

Has nothing to do with the following: Bucknell University, The University of Illinois, The University of Virginia, The University of Florida, Auburn University, Syracuse University, Hope College, Gettysburg College, Boise State University or the flag of Ukraine (the colors of all of which are blue and orange, albeit different shades in each case). Nor the Denver Broncos, Chicago Bears, New York Knicks, New York Mets, or [[MemeticMutation Mango Sentinels]]. Or the City of New York, for that matter. Furthermore, do not confuse with [[OrangeBlueContrast Blue and Orange Movies]]. Also has nothing to do with the KarmaMeter in ''Franchise/MassEffect'' nor the [[VideoGame/{{Portal}} Aperture Science Hand Held Portal Device]] or even the [[ColourCodedForYourConvenience light scheme]] in ''Film/{{Tron}}'' and its universe.

%%If you have time, please take time to put examples in alphabetical order. This page Administrivia/HowToAlphabetizeThings should help you with that.
----
!!Examples:

[[index]]
* BlueAndOrangeMorality/AnimeAndManga
* BlueAndOrangeMorality/CardGames
* BlueAndOrangeMorality/FanWorks
* [[BlueAndOrangeMorality/LiveActionFilms Films - Live Action]]
* BlueAndOrangeMorality/{{Literature}}
* BlueAndOrangeMorality/LiveActionTV
* BlueAndOrangeMorality/TabletopGames
* BlueAndOrangeMorality/VideoGames
* BlueAndOrangeMorality/{{Webcomics}}
* BlueAndOrangeMorality/WesternAnimation
* BlueAndOrangeMorality/RealLife
[[/index]]

[[foldercontrol]]

[[folder:Comics]]
* Comicbook/{{Miracleman}} in the Creator/AlanMoore rendition of the character counts as more AboveGoodAndEvil. The Creator/NeilGaiman version of the character, in the first Gaiman story, lives this trope.
* {{Galactus}} was originally intended to be one of these. More recent interpretations have put him more into AboveGoodAndEvil territory, with varying reasons for his planet devouring ways.
* The Harlequinade, in ''Comicbook/TheInvisibles''.
* The Comicbook/{{Enigma}} in the comic of the same name.
* One of the ''Eternals'' books invokes this, a bit mixed with ''VideoGame/BeyondGoodAndEvil''. It is set after the SuperRegistrationAct is passed, and ComicBook/IronMan is trying to get them to register, eventually saying that "you must choose a side." The Eternals' leader replies "Imagine that you find two kids fighting over who gets a plastic ball. Would '''you''' choose a side?"
* [[TheGrimReaper Nekron]] from ''ComicBook/BlackestNight'' was intended to have this according to Geoff Johns, simply doing what he was created to do, which was bringing death to the universe and raising the undead, and being beyond understanding. However, his actions during the event such as controlling heroes' bodies as Black Lanterns with their consciousnesses being unable to do about it suggests otherwise.
* Dr. Manhattan of ''Comicbook/{{Watchmen}}'' is above it all. When Ozymandias is inquired about Dr Manhattan's political allegiances, he replies, "Which do you prefer, red ants or black ants?" When the reporter admits he has no preference on such a trivial matter, Ozymandias says that Jon has the same opinion about the factions of the UsefulNotes/ColdWar.
* ''{{Supergod}}'' by Creator/WarrenEllis imagines a world where super powered beings essentially live by this trope, because they're so far removed from human values and experience that their resulting morality simply cannot be expressed in human terms. [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt This ends about as well as you'd expect.]]
* One early appearance of Comicbook/DoctorStrange's extradimensional enemy [[EldritchAbomination Dormammu]] portrayed him this way, with Doc realizing Dormammu did have a bizarre and alien sense of honor which Doc could use to his advantage once he understood it.
* The Endless of Creator/NeilGaiman's ''ComicBook/TheSandman'' show this at times, and at others are utterly human. Plus, each character's personality lends them different ways of dealing with the world. Dream shows this multiple times, such as not punishing a creature which dominates others dreams to create a 'nest' because it is simply acting in its own nature. Death never (well, almost never) interferes with the natural demises of anything, no matter how much she likes the individual and Destiny knows when catastrophic events will occur, and will only summon the others for a meeting about said catastrophes if his book says he does.
* SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}. Most of the time, he wants to do the right thing... the problem is, he's nuts. He doesn't always have the best judgment on what's right and wrong.
* ComicBook/{{Frank}} of Jim Woodring's eponymous Frank comics, and pretty much all the characters in the Unifactor. Their morality ranges from simple selfishness to extreme sadism, but without any reference to whether it's good or bad. There is some internal consistency for each character's morality, but not between the characters. The lack of words adds to their separation from moral norms.
* The Comicbook/{{New 52}} version of ''Comicbook/{{Superboy}}'' sometimes has trouble understanding moral issues, as he hasn't really had much time to learn about it. He honestly doesn't understand why [[spoiler:robbing a bank]] gets him complaints.
[[/folder]]

[[folder:Films -- Animation]]
* Halloween Town citizens from ''WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas''. They scare children for a living, but are not malicious and do it because [[PunchClockVillain it's their job]] and they enjoy it. Interestingly, they (including Jack) [[EvilCannotComprehendGood can't comprehend]] the basics of Christmas, and when they try to replicate it ... well, things [[GoneHorriblyWrong Go Horribly Wrong]].
--> "Life's no fun without a good scare."
** It's debatable how canon this is (for obvious reasons), but in the ''Franchise/KingdomHearts'' series, Jack tends to think of new experiences (such as the Heartless) in terms of how he can repurpose them into new Halloween surprises, but also tends to become quite disillusioned with them if it should ever come to light that it can actually cause people harm ([[EvilIsNotAToy such as, again, the Heartless]]).
[[/folder]]

[[folder:Newspaper Comics]]
* Roxanne of ''ComicStrip/{{Candorville}}'' [[BadIsGoodAndGoodIsBad views villains as heroic and vice versa]], but there are usually qualifiers for it--for instance, she views eating meat as immoral, but wearing fur as a way of eternally preserving an animal's beauty. That said, with the exception of her own mother, ''nobody'' in the comic thinks this gives her a pass for [[ItsAllAboutMe her behavior]]. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Even multiple murderers think she's scum]].
[[/folder]]

[[folder:Religion]]
* This tends to happen with religions, both ancient and modern (not naming any names), between one another and internally. When someone gets perplexed by the seeming arbitrariness and contradiction of the dogma, the official answer tends to be that god(s) are incomprehensible and the problem is on your end. The best we can do is obey their inscrutable commands and hope for the best. This also comes up in response to the common question of why, in an ordered universe, bad things happen to good people. Many philosophies and religions recognize that the needs of an individual and the needs of the universe at large simply won't mesh up, and a transcendent being is probably only interested in the latter. So while it might look like your god/gods/spirits are cruel bastards for killing your family with that flood, a believer needs to remember that from a divine standpoint it was probably the right thing to do (e.g. the flood was a necessary evil, or death isn't actually bad, etc.). The OmniscientMoralityLicense trope is all about this.
* In the ''Literature/{{Mahabharata}}'' the river goddess Ganga bears King Shantanu several children…and [[OffingTheOffspring drowns them]]. When he gives her a WhatTheHellHero, she explains that it's NotWhatItLooksLike; the children are reincarnations of holy souls that need to transcend reincarnation. (They committed [[KickTheDog a minor]] [[PokeThePoodle offense]] in a past life, and so were forced to be reincarnated as mortals, so Ganga lets that happen, and then kills them while they're [[ChildrenAreInnocent still young and innocent]] [[LoopholeAbuse so they can be released from reincarnation]]. Because she knew that there's no way King Shantanu would be able to comprehend this, she had asked him to [[ThePromise never question her]]...and since ''he just did'', she left him shortly afterwards.
[[/folder]]

[[folder:Theater]]
* There's a play called ''Blue/Orange'' that deals with this people of this sort of morality, although the name ostensibly comes from a mental disorder one of the characters has that causes him to, among other things, see the insides of oranges as blue. Not the outside, nothing else orange, just the insides.
* ''Theatre/CyranoDeBergerac'' shows us a strange example of humans with this type of morality: The [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Gascons]] believe that ''"Good"'' is to be [[YouthIsWastedOnTheDumb crack–brained]] [[FearlessFool and brave]], [[ImpoverishedPatrician to be poor is a motive for pride,]] [[MartyrdomCulture your autodestructive tendencies are to be not only tolerated but encouraged]], [[JerkAss to treat others like crap is tolerable so long as they are not]] [[OfThePeople Gascons]], [[DeathSeeker and to die in battle is the best destiny your can aspire to]]. ''"Evil"'' is to [[AmbitionIsEvil try to get ahead in life]] [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveConnections by connections]] and [[FalseFriend alliances]] with [[DeadlyDecadentCourt powerful people]], and [[TheDandy to display your riches in public]] [[ArsonMurderAndJayWalking is shameful]] to the point of being declared [[NoTrueScotsman No True Gascon]]. Most of all, DisproportionateRetribution and DisproportionateReward are completely normal conducts.
[[/folder]]

[[folder:Music]]

* The girl mentioned in Music/TomLehrer's "The Irish Ballad" is perfectly willing to murder her entire family in cold blood for the simple reason that she is bored, or that she doesn't like them to the point where her murders are referred to as "little pranks" but will not lie when the police comes to investigate.
* Music/{{Mothy}}'s songs have [[HangingJudge the Master of the Court]], whose main goal for the series is implied to be [[TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt destroying the world]]. Except that ''[[ObliviouslyEvil she doesn't seem to see this as a bad thing]].'' [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] as the only human she saw for most of her life was completely insane.
[[/folder]]

[[folder:Web Original]]
* The Elders in ''NewYorkMagician''. They don't like people being able to see them.
-->'''Michel:''' Wait, you're saying you had me kidnapped, knocked out, tied up in a basement and dropped here on this bench because you wanted me to know how it feels when I turn to you on the fucking subway and say "hi"?
* According to [[Characters/TheNostalgiaChick Elisa]] (their actress), [[AlphaBitch The Makeover Fairy]] and [[MadScientist Dr. Tease]] genuinely think what they do is for the greater good.
* The demons in Literature/TheSalvationWar have some rather jarring morality. Since they are still basically in the Bronze Age, demons have a very rigid and honor based form of warfare that hasn't changed in millions of years. Cannibalism is considered fine for demons, and not eating the dead is considered "wasting them." They only torture humans because they are told that they need the human's "energy" to move onto their afterlife. All this changes when humans arrive.
* The Wiki/SCPFoundation has a few examples of this. One notable one is [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-890 SCP-890]], the Rocket Surgeon. He views mechanical objects as patients and humans as unnecessary flesh. However, he's a rather creepy example.
--> '''SCP-890''': I did not [kill him]! My patient not only survived, but recovered quite nicely. If you're referring to the mass surrounding the patient, I left it in place at the patient's request; I suggested it be removed, but the patient was adamant it be left in place.
** The patient in this case is a pacemaker. [[BodyHorror That was still inside someone.]] The "mass of flesh" was the person.
** In a similar vein, [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-049 SCP-049]], the Plague Doctor. When someone touches him, they keel over for no discernible reason. The doctor then kills anyone nearby capable of interrupting his work, fiddles with the original victim's innards, and stitches them up. The process transforms them into rage-fueled zombies intent on slaughtering other human beings. His only recorded discussion with a human being reveals that while he's very affable and respects others trained in medical science, he either perceives something about most humans as a terrible plague, sees humans themselves as a blight, or thinks his touch of death is the disease he seeks to eradicate.
-->'''SCP-049''': Good doctor, my cure is most effective.
** [[http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-962 SCP-962]] is a tower (or something inside the tower, it isn't made clear) that sees humanity as "The Great Ones," ranting constantly about it's love for us. It shows it's "love" by [[BodyHorror taking animals and alternating them to look]] [[UncannyValley vaguely more human]], and promises to "clean" the lesser creatures from the Earth.
* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'': The Delta [[ArtificialIntelligence AI]] claims that "good and evil are human constructs", and tends to focus on whatever produces the most logical, optimal, and courteous result. He'll do things like wish an enemy good luck, attempt to talk one into helping with a WhatIsEvil speech, suggest KickTheDog solutions, or even outright admit he might side with the enemy... while simultaneously performing acts of aid, kindness, self-sacrifice, and loyalty to his allies and bystanders as well. All with a blandly friendly, sincere, and non-malicious demeanor.
* In ''Literature/NESGodzillaCreepypasta'', Face asks Yes[=/=]No questions to the player that vary from simple (Do you like dogs?), to stupid (Is water wet?), to incredibly creepy (Does it taste good when you bite a woman?) and his reactions to the answers seem to only make sense to himself alone.
* In ''Literature/LookToTheWest'', a central point of the whole project is to show how economics needn't necessarily been the defining ideological issue to risk nuclear war over. Here, the world's main ideological binary is based on culture: Societism verses Diversitarianism. The former is a sort of OneWorldOrder that aspires to unite humanity in a single nation, with a single culture, language, and religion presumably based on a synthesis of patterns found in cultures around the world, while stamping out pre-Societist cultures. The latter champions individual languages, cultures, historical viewpoints in the extreme; some hardline Russian Diversitarians, for instance, portray cross-national friendships as a form of mental illness. So it's not just an alternate history, but an alternate ''historiography''.
* This is constantly on display in ''Podcast/WelcomeToNightVale'', where the townspeople are ConditionedToAcceptHorror and think government-induced plagues, human sacrifice lotteries, arming schoolchildren, and kidnapping the loved ones of voters in an effort to ensure "correct" voting is a normal, necessary part of American life. (Given the implications that Night Vale is barely holding back a variety of extra-dimensional horrors at any one time, they may not be wrong.) However, a barber cutting the perfect hair of the most beautiful man in town is totally cause to run that barber out of town. Also, a white guy wearing a cartoonish feather headdress and referring to himself as "The Apache Tracker" is still totally racist.
** This is extra apparent in their conflict with Desert Bluffs, a town of equal and opposite horrors that are normal to them, but disturbing to Night Vale.
* Some interpretations of Franchise/{{the Slender Man|Mythos}}.
* Most non-humans in ''Literature/TalesOfMU'', like mermaids, demons, and dragons, who each have no problems eating humans. For example: [[spoiler:Iona, a mermaid, killed another student because she was in water, making her prey. In retaliation Vice-Chancellor Embries, a greater Dragon, devoured her and enchanted the one witness so she couldn't tell anyone.]]
* Mercenaries in various stories of the ''UnionSeries''. It's not about who commits massive war crimes or who plays knight in shining armor, it's more along the lines of being loyal to the original credit line versus switching sides for better pay.
* Rachel/Bitch from ''Literature/{{Worm}}'' couldn't care less about other humans, even kids, getting hurt, but don't harm dogs in her presence if you want to live, or at least avoid a mauling. It's strongly implied that her powers have changed her brain in such a way that she thinks more like a dog than a human, and her own POV chapters support this.
* ''[[WebVideo/PBSIdeaChannel Idea Channel]]'' discussed this in their episode on [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA-_5Xb0M18 their episode on the]] about the [[Manga/AttackOnTitan Titan's]] supposed evilness.
* If you join ''Encyclopedia Dramatica'' you're free to post racism, sexism, and vulgarities without impunity. Post a ''Creator/ChuckNorris'' fact anywhere on the site, and you'll be permabanned in a nanosecond.
[[/folder]]

----