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-> ''"Who has time to learn logical fallacies? Don't you know children are starving in Africa?"''

Also called:
# Fallacy of relative privation (its proper name).
# The "Children Are Starving In UsefulNotes/{{Africa}}!" Argument.

Arguing that expressing concern about [[FirstWorldProblems a (relatively) small problem]] means that the person doesn't care about any larger problems. The fallacy can be thought of as a combination of FalseDichotomy, {{Strawman}} and RedHerring, taking the opponent's claim and appends to it the following additional claims:

# That it is not possible to care about several big and small problems simultaneously. (False Dilemma)
# That venting a minor complaint is an assertion that that the major problem is considered unimportant. (Strawman / Red Herring)

The intent is to distort the opponent's claim "''X''" into "''X'', which is far more important than anything else."

A similar fallacy is the "if you care so much, why aren't you doing something about it?" argument, which is also related to the PerfectSolutionFallacy in that the only way that the target can be doing something about it to the arguer's satisfaction is to be devoting 24 hours of every day to the issue and therefore not be involved in the debate.

A related issue is the airgap problem. No matter how much worse someone else's pain is, you can only feel your own. Your paper cut isn't objectively as painful as someone else's broken leg -- but you don't feel any pain from their leg, while your own paper cut stings you like the dickens. (For that matter, their broken leg isn't as painful as the pain of someone else who's being tortured to death; but they still have an airgap. Their broken leg is agonizing to them, but they don't feel the other person's torture at all.)

Finally, there's the issue that people have different pain tolerances. One woman might be kind of bummed by a miscarriage; another might be depressed for months; a third might go permanently mad from grief. A "[[FirstWorldProblems First World problem]]" for one person might be honestly devastating for another.

Note that it is ''not'' a case of this fallacy when someone must prioritize between addressing two different problems. A doctor choosing to treat a cancer patient before a case of the flu is of course not the victim of this fallacy; the fallacy would be arguing that nobody should treat flu patients at all until there is a cure for cancer.

Simply comparing the severity of two problems is also not a case of this fallacy. If Bob complains about his flu, and Alice tells him "It could be worse, you could have cancer" she is not committing a fallacy; if she tells him that he has no ''right'' to complain about his flu when people are dying of cancer, she might be.

A type of FalseDichotomy, and close cousin of AppealToPity. Often invoked in MiseryPoker. See also, WantsAPrizeForBasicDecency. Overlaps with a specific type of [[AdHominem Tu Quoque]] fallacy called '''Whataboutism''' which uses the same logic (you make point A, but what about B?) but is used to deflect criticism of a group from sources external to that group by pointing to a perceived equal or worse thing that the speaker's group does.



[[folder: Advertising ]]

* The "And you are worried about stepping on dog poo" ad in ''Reader's Digest'' about landmines.


[[folder: Film ]]

* Commonly used when an unrealistic element of fiction is being argued about; for example, if one person questions how Naboo in ''Franchise/StarWars'' can have an ElectiveMonarchy that elects a 14 year old queen, (or what the point of such an institution would actually be) the second states something like "And this is the biggest problem you have in a universe with mystic powers and spaceships as big as moons?"
* Done in ''Film/AChristmasStory'' when Randy doesn't eat the meatloaf because he hates it. Mrs. Parker tells him that starving children in China would be happy to have it.
* In ''Film/{{Munich}}'' one of the people involved in the planning of the Munich massacre of Israeli Olympic athletes says that compared with the reaction to the massacre, nobody says anything about the children killed in Israel's military attacks against Palestinians.
* Similar to the ''Munich'' example, in ''Film/PatriotsDay'' the [=FBI=] tries to use a Facebook post made by Katherine Russell Tsarnaev, the wife of one of the Boston terror bombers, in which she reacts to the bombing by saying that "More people die in Syria and other countries", as evidence to coax her to reveal her knowledge on the terror plot.
* ''Film/ThreeThousandMilesToGraceland'' gives us this exchange:
-->'''Michael:''' Finish your fries.\\
'''Jesse:''' I don't have to if I don't want to. You're not my father, you know.\\
'''Michael:''' Didn't you ever hear about starving kids in Africa?\\
'''Jesse:''' Why? Are you gonna send them my fries?


[[folder: Literature ]]

* In ''Literature/TheCatWhoSeries'', one time when Qwilleran's pampered Siamese turn up their noses at the food he gives them, he makes some reference to there being cats in another country that don't know where their next mouse is coming from. It makes no difference to the spoiled kitties.
* In ''Write This Book: A Do-It-Yourself Mystery'', Pseudonymous Bosch talks about this in a sidebar in regarding perspective, describing a parent using this argument against a kid who got a bad haircut. He comments "It goes without saying that this so-called long view is infuriating for someone whose hair is cut too short. Sure, your hair might grow back ''one'' day, but will it grow back before school starts next week." The end of the sidebar, however, reads "'''And stop whining about that haircut!'''"
* Spoofed in Literature/GoodOmens, when the anthropomorphic personification of Famine throws the contents of a fast-food tray into a bin; "if you had told him there were starving children in Africa, he would have been flattered that you noticed."
* Ken Jennings (that guy who won all the money on ''Series/{{Jeopardy}}'') points out the ridiculousness of this in his book ''Because I Said So!: The Truth Behind the Myths, Tales, and Warnings Every Generation Passes Down to Its Kids''.
* Played for laughs in ''[[Series/ThatMitchellAndWebbLook This Mitchell and Webb Book]]'', which contains a section parodying those people on Twitter who reply to the tweets of politicians and journalists with extremely stupidly rude comments for no real reason. One of the posts is Connie Wyatt making a joke post about ice-cream, with one of the replies reading, "Millions of children die of Malaria in Africa every year, and you're worried about ice-cream? How do you even live with yourself?".
* Discussed in the third book of ''Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents -- The Wide Window''. The author points out that while pointing out that things could be worse might be true, it's still ineffective at distracting oneself from one's current problems, likening it to trying to ignore a pimple on your nose by imagining oneself being attacked by a bear.


[[folder: Live Action TV ]]

* In "Amy's Baking Company" on ''Series/KitchenNightmares'', one of the owners actually uses this when a customer complains about the food. Never mind that "Well, our food at least keeps you from starving" is a peculiarly low bar to clear for a professional eating establishment.
* Frank Burns tries to use this argument in ''Series/{{MASH}}'' when he sees Radar throwing away a half-eaten (and inedible) dinner:
-->'''Burns''': There are people starving in China, you know!
-->'''Radar''' (offering his tray): Here, you can give them this.
* Used in an episode of ''Series/TheGeorgeLopezShow'' when George scolds Max for needlessly wrecking his toy monster-truck.
-->'''George:''' You know there are some kids who don't even have toys!
-->'''Max:''' Yes, and there are some kids who have lots of toys, so that evens it out.
* In ''Series/{{Outnumbered}}'', when Pete tries to get Karen to eat her greens:
--> '''Pete:''' There are children in Africa, who would love to eat this.
--> '''Karen:''' Then why don't you just send it to them. Buy an envelope and send it to them.


[[folder: Music ]]

* Music/MichaelJackson's "Why You Wanna Trip On Me?" is a ListSong of problems he thinks people should worry about more than his personal life.
* The Music/WeirdAl song "Eat It" opens with the lyrics "How come you're always such a fussy young man/Don't want no Captain Crunch, don't want no Raisin Bran/Well don't you know that other kids are starving in Japan/So eat it, just eat it." Keep in mind that, when this parody was written, Japan still was an economic superpower, so it's a parody of this way of thinking on top of that.
** While it is likely supposed to a case of WindmillCrusader, a [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJEvTCqToCk live performance in Japan]] naturally replaced the country's name to "Sudan" playing this trope more straight as a result.


[[folder: Newspaper Comics ]]

* In the ''ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}}'' book ''The Joy of Work'', Scott Adams responds to Norman Solomon's book ''The Trouble with Dilbert'' by writing a fictional interview between Solomon and Dogbert. When he has Solomon complain that ''Dilbert'' attacks {{Pointy Haired Boss}}es more than {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s, Dogbert's counterargument is that Solomon clearly supports teen pregnancy because he didn't write a book about that. What makes it more absurd is that, [[WordOfGod according to Adams himself in the same book,]] Normon Solomon's ''The Trouble With Dilbert'' only came about because of [[QuoteMine Solomon taking one of Adams' quotes about "Good things about downsizing" out of context]] (the original context was that, since he's always hammering on downsizing in his books and comics, if he could think of anything that is good about downsizing.)
* Appears ''very'' frequently in ''ComicStrip/ForBetterOrForWorse'', when a character wants to shut up the complaints of another, typically long the lines of "You're sitting around complaining about a haircut when there are refugees in war-torn countries out there!"
** This is mocked in [[http://www.shortpacked.com/index.php?id=486 this]] ''WebComic/{{Shortpacked}}'' strip. "April, you SpoiledBrat! There are children starving in Africa!"
* Many accusations of this fallacy are deconstructed by Creator/{{Quino}} in the form of FirstWorldProblems. For example: in one strip it shows a man walking unflinchingly through crime-ridden poverty-infested streets, until he arrives to his job as a TV host where he dedicates his program to people "With great angst and sadness caused by gaining weight and who wanted to show their figure by the pool this summer". In another it puts a side-by-side comparison of a rich woman and one from a Third World country, where they both complain about the unhealthy food their family eat (sweets and junk food in the rich woman's case and worms, rotten meat and infected water for the poor one).


[[folder: New Media ]]

* Some of the detractors of Shane Koyczan's anti-bullying "[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltun92DfnPY To This Day Project]]" have been guilty of this, by claiming that the issue of bullying doesn't deserve attention when there are children starving in Africa or warring in trouble spots around the globe.
* When WebVideo/JonTron was criticized for referring to the Playstation Now service for UsefulNotes/PlayStation4 as "retarded" on Twitter, he responded that those offended by his word usage should instead direct their outrage at more important matters, like the Gaza strip bombings.
* Mocked on TheInternet where someone once said, "If we really had no right to complain about stuff because others have it worse, then by that logic, people like Creator/MichaelMoore and every radio talk show host should be out of a job, and most of the northern hemisphere should be ''dead silent'', because the only people who have a right to complain are those in UsefulNotes/{{Somalia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Afghanistan}}, UsefulNotes/{{Sudan}}, etc."
* In the lead-up to Valentine's Day 2014, there was a common Facebook meme being shared, which said something like "feeling sad about not having a date on Valentines Day? well some people don't have a Mother on Mother's Day or a Father on Father's Day, so shut the f!ck up!".


[[folder: Stand Up Comedy ]]

* Referenced by Creator/PeterKay when he complains about his mother buying him [[ShoddyKnockoffProduct Rola Cola]] and him refusing to drink it. "There are children starving in Africa!" "Then send it to them! They'll ''[[EvenBeggarsWontChooseIt send it back!]]'' It's that bad!"
* Also Carl Hurley, a rather rotund Kentucky comedian, who'll occasionally sprinkle in a reference of how he wonders how his obesity benefits children in Africa.
* [[GermanHumour German comedian]] Otto Waalkes has made a sketch where a [[GoodShepherd friendly priest]] holding a tv-sermon tells us about a friend of his, [[RichIdiotWithNoDayJob a millionaire]], who came to him in great distress: [[ComicalOverreacting he had dropped his shaving brush into the toilet that morning.]] The priest consoled him in this fashion by reminding him that while yes, having dropped your shaving brush into the toilet is horrible, there are people who are worse off by far. After all, [[spoiler: some people don't even have a beard.]]
* Scottish comedian Danny Bhoy, after mentioning that the World Health Organization officially declared that Scotland has the worst diet in the world:
-->"We have the worst diet in the ''world!'' That includes African countries! Countries with ''no food at all!'' It's better to be starving than Scottish! When I was a kid, if I didn't eat everything on my plate, my mom would tell me 'Danny, there are children starving in Africa who would give their right arm for what you're eating'. I had no idea that halfway around the world, African mothers were telling their kids the same thing about us. 'What's wrong, Muwabe? Are you hungry? Well, right now there are kids over in Scotland chewing on [[ForeignQueasine haggis]] who ''wish'' they were as hungry as you!'"
* The late Creator/JohnPinette, another fat comedian (whose material is mostly about food and how much he loves food), once had a lady knock on his door to tell him "There are children starving in Africa!" His response? "Hey, I've been here all day, okay?", thinking he was being blamed for it.
* One of the Swedish comedy duo Hans Alfredsson and Tage Danielsson's sketches consisted of a dialogue made up entirely by this fallacy:
--> - ''Don't be so mean! You know I got a nail in my foot this morning on the building site!''\\
- ''A nail in your foot? You know, during the French revolution they chopped the heads of the noblemen like loafs of bread. They would have been damned happy if all they had to endure was a nail in the foot!''\\
- ''And another thing, we just found out that the insurance company won't give us a single penny for our summerhouse that burned down!''\\
- ''Are you aware that there hasn't even been a hundred years since the entire city of Sundsvall burned down?''


[[folder: Tropes ]]

* Constitutes the MiseryPoker trope. And the SeriousBusiness trope, if used as an insult. (The implication being that you take it too seriously and other things not seriously enough.)


[[folder: Video Games ]]

* Shows up in an...[[RefugeInVulgarity unexpected context]] on the Website/{{Twitter}} parody Bleeter in ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV''.
-->''Swallow, bitch. There are children starving in Africa''.


[[folder: Web Comics ]]

* Parodied in [[http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2314#comic this strip]] of ''Webcomic/SaturdayMorningBreakfastCereal'', in which people who try to use the argument are constantly interrupted by people with even worse problems until they finally reach the least fortunate man in the world.
* ''You Damn Kid!'' had the author relate how his family once accepted an orphan from China into their home for a while... which led to the Kid pointing out that his mother's claims about "Starving orphans in China would kill for that!" were false [[EvenBeggarsWontChooseIt when even the orphan was disgusted by the meal]].
* Parodied in [[http://nonadventures.com/2007/02/10/mother-ella/ this]] strip of ''Webcomic/TheNonAdventuresOfWonderella''. "How can you even THINK of superheroing when there's so much crime and tragedy in the world?"
* In ''Webcomic/ArthurKingOfTimeAndSpace'' Guenevere responds to the idea that there are "bigger problems than misogyny" by asking which is worse, misogyny or littering. When the other person admits misogyny is worse than littering, she retorts "But when you see litter, you ''pick it up'', don't you?"
* ''Webcomic/OzyAndMillie'' often points out the stupidity of this.
-->'''Mrs. Mudd''': My attempt to get you to eat your peas by instilling global perspective is going to haunt me forever isn't it?


[[folder: Web Original ]]

* PlayedForLaughs: Website/{{Fark}} has many headlines that fall into this, mostly for local legislatures who, "having solved all other problems", get to work on something mostly innocuous. Also, whenever doctors come up with some silly technological innovation, you can be sure there'll be a Fark headline about it ending with, "Still no cure for cancer."
* During a HeatWave, you might see a blurb (sometimes on a picture, sometimes as a Website/{{Facebook}} status, what have you) about how "I'm not going to complain about the heat today because soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan not only experience heat every day, but carry lots of equipment through it and may not even survive the day." [[http://www.hotdogsandguns.com/2012/05/i-was-going-to-complain-about-heat.html Here's a sample.]] The inverse applies to a milder extent: Don't complain about how cold it is. Ever. Especially if it's above 0 C. Unless you want to get in a FlameWar with those who live in colder climates. Similarly, complaining about the aftermath of a tropical storm/small hurricane or small earthquake will likely get you blasted by people who experienced far worse storms and quakes every year.
* Greta Christina lists this as one of the standard [[http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta_christinas_weblog/2009/02/shut-up-thats-why.html "Shut up, that's why!"]] arguments used to shut off discussion.
* During Website/{{Facebook}}'s university-student-only days, there would often be groups titled along the lines of "Finish Your Drink, There Are Sober Kids In India". (This was later turned into a mildly popular dorm-room poster.)


[[folder: Western Animation ]]

* An episode of ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButtHead'' has Beavis distracting a female student while Butt-Head slips Spanish Fly into her taco. Instead of eating it, she says she's lost her appetite. Butt-Head says "You shouldn't, like, waste food and stuff. Uhh, because there's like, uhh, starving people in [[TheDitz Indiana, or something]]."
* ''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'':
** One sketch involves ComicStrip/LittleOrphanAnnie complaining about her hard-knock life under the thumb of EvilOrphanageLady Miss Hannigan, only for her friend to tell her that she should be grateful that she still has halfway-decent shelter and three square meals a day, compared to the orphans of third-world countries who endure the likes of hunger, disease, and even sex slavery.
-->'''Annie:''' Leapin' lizards, Molly! It sure is a hard knock life —-\\
'''Molly:''' Actually, we're very lucky Annie.\\
'''Annie:''' [[OrphansOrdeal Being an orphan sure don't feel lucky.]]\\
'''Molly:''' Then try being an orphan in the UsefulNotes/{{Philippines}} where [[HarmfulToMinors hundreds of thousands of orphans are forced into prostitution thanks to sex tourism]]. In Africa, AIDS has created millions of orphans who won't live to see puberty.\\
'''Annie:''' Well... I sure don't like that mean ol' Miss Hannigan!\\
'''Molly:''' What don't you like exactly? 3 meals a day? A warm bed? Not being HIV positive? Not performing fellatio on foreign business men? ({{Beat}}) [[ArmorPiercingQuestion That's what you don't like?]]\\
'''Annie:''' [[DumbStruck Uhh...]] I think I'm gonna go sweep over there for a while Molly. (Annie heads off to complain to a less worldly friend) Gee, Pepper! Miss Hannigan sure is mean!\\
'''Pepper:''' Yeah! I hate that bitch!\\
[[TimeSkip 6 months later]]\\
'''Daddy Warbucks:''' We sure had a grand adventure, Annie! Your quick wits and spunky can-do spirit saved us all! Is there anything my limitless power and billions of dollars can do for you?\\
'''Molly's voice:''' Overseas orphans! Fellatio on foreign business men! ''HIV and AIDS!''\\
'''Annie:''' Hmm... [[ComicallyMissingThePoint nope!]]
** Another sketch shows a boy yelling at his parents after receiving a [[WesternAnimation/ChallengeOfTheGobots Rock Lord]] for Christmas. His mother replies that children in other countries would be grateful to have one. The scene then cuts to a Palestinian boy thanking his parents for giving him a Rock Lord, which he then throws at an Israeli soldier.


[[folder: Other ]]

* This (specifically the starving African children) has become a fairly popular T-Shirt. It personifies Africa as saying "And you think you have problems..."


[[folder: Real Life ]]

* During The Troubles in Northern Ireland, this was about half of what was disparaged by the term [[https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/whataboutery "whataboutery]]" (the other half being hypocrisy).
* The deaths of celebrities can be met with these. When ''Film/TheFastAndTheFurious'' star Creator/PaulWalker died in a car crash there was no lack of people who [[http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/652285-paul-walkers-death accused the public]] of crying over the death of one rich guy rather than worrying about people dying in wars. After the veritable ''flood'' of celebrity deaths in 2016, it got to the point where it was very hard to go on any comment-enabled newssite and read an article about the latest death without approximately 50% of the comments invoking this trope and some even straying into the territory of mocking those genuinely upset by the deaths.
* In social justice circles, this is derisively nicknamed "Oppression Olympics".
* Ever have a bad day at work or school, and feel you just need to vent? And have you tried to do so, only for you to be told something along the lines of "You think ''YOU'' have it bad? ''I''...." or "I'll give ''YOU'' something to cry about" by someone else (Be they a friend, family member, or stranger on the internet)? You've just experienced this trope.
* Anti-feminists will occasionally bring up how women in Muslim theocracies are treated and how feminists never raise awareness for them. This is usually right after feminists start rallying around issues (similar, lesser, whatever) happening in their own countries.
* [[UsefulNotes/AustralianPolitics Australian MP]] Bob Katter's now infamous (and [[http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-30/fact-check-does-a-crocodile-kill-someone-every-three-months-/9202902 incorrect]]) [[http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/current-affairs/abc-hosts-lose-it-over-bob-katters-bizarre-marriage-rant/news-story/ab0840f6d8f7a6c41bf1ff12ba4f9a5f response]] to the result of the postal survey into legalising same-sex marriage (which he had campaigned against):
-->'''Katter''': I mean, y’know, people are entitled to their sexual proclivities. Let there be a thousand blossoms bloom, as far as I’m concerned. [[MoodWhiplash But I AIN’T spendin’ any time on it]], because in the meantime, every three months, a person is torn to pieces by a crocodile in North Queensland."


!!Looks like this fallacy but is not:

* The "worse problem" is something that flows directly from the logic of the original point. For example, if someone is complaining it is "unrealistic" for a skeleton character to have hair, pointing out it is unrealistic for a skeleton character to be able to ''do anything'' is a valid rebuttal.
* When dealing with limited time or resources, and discussion or debate of the lesser problem is impeding the parties from solving or addressing the greater problem (e.g. "Rearranging the deck chairs on the ''Titanic''").
* Some political discussions [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment (we're not naming which ones)]] will often have people bringing up "less important" issues that are only loosely related to the discussion, and they will often receive a dismissive response to keep the discussion on topic.
* When the worse issues are directly related to the subject in question (complaining that your car is wrecked when your loved ones are in critical condition because of the accident) or when it's used to rebut a deliberate [[NotSoDifferent attempt to lump together or equate]] both issues.
* Medical triage. If there are two injured people and one doctor, whom should the doctor treat first--the guy with a minor (or even moderate) burn or the guy with a knife in his gut?
* When used as a counter to hyperbole along the lines of "[Relatively minor problem] is just the ''worst'' thing ''ever''...."
* You're complaining that [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife TV Tropes ruined your life]]? There are people who are blocked from visiting TV Tropes in the first place! [[SerialEscalation There are those who can't even afford Internet access!]]
*** [[SelfDemonstratingArticle Psh, be quiet, there are people who don't even have computers!]]
*** [[UpToEleven All of you be quiet! There are people who are]] [[DeadBabyComedy dead babies!]]
*** ENOUGH! There are people who didn't even get a chance to ''exist'', even in dead baby form!