* I know he was grateful to Obi-Wan and the Jedi Order for freeing him. But Anakin seems to hate every part of his Jedi training and his place in the order, resents the rules against love, and seems angry that they didn't also make any effort to free his mother from Watto's control. Did it never occur to him in anywhere in the EU or even during some of the events of the main films to even think about quitting the Jedi life?
** It did. Matthew Stover's adaptation of ''Revenge of the Sith'' have both him and Padme musing over him leaving the Jedi Order. The main reason why Anakin doesn't go through with it is because he knows Padme would never forgive him for it, because she feels there's still far too much good he's capable of doing as a Jedi.
** Ah I see, what about before it? I'm sure his unhappiness didn't start with AOTC. Like in the ten years when he never knew he would see Padme or his mom again and hated how much the other Jedi were holding him back even though he was advancing so fast. I mean even if he was no Jedi he could probably build a light-saber with his skills, and he could already use the force very well by the beginning of the movie.
*** You're exaggerating Anakin's feelings. At the start of AOTC, he's pretty clearly okay and enjoying his time as a Jedi. There's no indication of him "hating" the other Jedi holding him back. Just a little frustration, if that, which is normal for any talented youth. You're very much overstating how Anakin felt about his position in the Jedi order.
*** I don't see it the same way. At the very start of the movie he gets in Obi-Wan's face in front of Padme and her team for suggesting they do something different, and he seemed genuinely offended about Obi-Wan not acknowledging what actually happened in in the Gundark incident.
*** He also shows ridiculous arrogance about his betters, claiming to be more powerful than Obi Wan and Yoda in some respects. He seems to resent authority with a passion[[note]]Which is sensible to a degree, coming from the life of a slave.[[/note]], best typified after his mother's death when he says he should be all-powerful.
*** After his mother's death is not at the start of the movie. At the start of the movie, he has some casual arrogance--the kind that, well, pretty much any teenager who finds themselves good at something is going to have--but that's about it.
*** I think Anakin's behavior, although it can rub people the wrong way, makes a lot of sense when you look at it in the context of the film. He's nineteen, but he's never been on a mission by himself and it's clear he's saved Obi-Wan a few times. So, clearly, he's going to be a bit frustrated at the pace of his training. It's not uncommon, for example, for eighteen year olds to be dying to head off to college to be able to be on their own for once. This is made worse by the fact that Palpatine clearly feeds Anakin's ego as much as possible. Also consider that, as of the beginning of AOTC, Anakin is already having dreams of his mother and getting little sleep -- which would be destabilizing. Add to that the fact that Padmé is in danger (and Anakin is seeing her again after a long separation) and we have someone who is not going to be making the best decisions with the greatest amount of tact. When he contradicts Obi-Wan in front of Padmé for example, I always got the impression that Anakin was so focused on Padmé that he didn't listen to a word Obi-Wan said, messed up, and then tried to save face. He's crushing pretty hard on Padmé so he's pretty embarrassed and defensive when he gets called on it. But I don't think he's intentionally trying to disrespect Obi-Wan. Rather, he's trying to impress Padmé and it blows up in his face. AOTC is all about Anakin getting knocked down a few pegs, really.
*** Anakin's also got a point. [[ExactWords The mission is protect Padmé]]. Obi-Wan, thinking like a ByTheBookCop, wants to just act as a bodyguard, while Anakin, being somewhat akin to a CowboyCop, pissed off someone's threatening Padmé and trying to please and impress her, knows it really means "Waiting for someone to attack, capture them, find the truth and [[ItsPersonal kill the bastard messing with my crush]]". That's what Jedi do, it's already implied, but Obi-Wan (who also acted as a bit of a dick) thinks the best way of keeping Anakin from doing something harsh is being a SternTeacher and humiliating him, [[DramaticallyMissingThePoint which is EXACTLY]] [[SelfFulfillingProphecy why Anakin acts the way he does]], [[NiceJobBreakingItHero and is what allows Palpatine to manipulate Anakin]]. As for Anakin's frustration, I think the EU clarifies that while Anakin likes being a Jedi, the Council puts some pressure on him and he doesn't handle it well; the Jedi Training is meant to indoctrinate children since their toddler days(one of the reasons I don't like Jedi a whole lot either), not someone older, precocious and who already has a personality of their own outside the "accepted Jedi Code tenets". There's also a situation in EU that made Kenobi [[KickTheDog say some very nasty things to Anakin]] and widened the gap between them. Long story short: Obi-Wan is NOT the perfect teacher, and even though Anakin really likes the guy, he sometimes has problems with him, Obi-Wan's Jedi training prevents him from thinking in any other way then [[GoodIsNotNice "Be stern, authoritarian and make him fall in line"]] and the person Anakin goes to talk to and unwind is Palpatine. You do the math.
*** That's exactly why there's a lot of fan speculation that Anakin would have turned out much different if Qui-Gon had been alive to train him.
* Why didn't the Jedi or Separatist leaders question why Jango was fulfilling the contradictory functions of serving as a mercenary on Geonosis, the clone template on Kamino, and trying to assassinate Senator Amidala? For the CIS leaders the question for Dooku would be why is this mercenary working for us the source of this mysterious Clone Army that we never knew existed until it attacked us.
** Why are you assuming that everyone knew all the sides of it? We have no indication that the Separatists ever found out that Jango was the template of the clone army. How would they have found out, and why would anyone have told them?
*** All it would take was one dead clone trooper having their helmet removed to see that they were clones of Jango. It is implausible that, during a war, the CIS never bothered to study the Republic's clone forces. Jango was well known by the CIS leaders since he hung around with them.
*** Dooku definitely knew about the Clone Army. He's the one who commissioned Jango to do it after the events of Star Wars: Bounty Hunter. Which just underlines how deeply compromised everything already was.
** One thing that does have to be considered is that Jango is a mercenary who would work for anyone and presumably have complete discretion about his other numerous clients. In addition he was supposed to lead Obi-Wan to Geonosis so that the Clone Wars could begin.
*** Which should have been suspicious to Obi-Wan. That the template for the clone army supposedly ordered by Jedi Master Sifo-Dyas was also in the employ of the Separatists should have rang alarm bells about the fact that ''somebody'' was playing both sides of the fence.
** There are some elements in EU that might explain this. Sifo-Dyas was a TheSeer, and he predicted the coming of a war. He was also best friends with Dooku, who later killed him to become a Sith. The Jedi, knowing this, probably assumed Sifo-Dyas was manipulated by Dooku, and that his plan was to use the army AGAINST the Republic alongside the Droid Army. It would also be possible that Sifo-Dyas first hired Jango Fett, and Dooku paid him to become his ally, Jango is a bounty hunter after all.
** He's a bounty hunter. He has no skin in the affairs of either side. The Republic hires him to be the clone template. Then the Separatists hire him to be a mercenary. His only loyalty is to himself and whomever pays him.
*** The problem there being just how much money would it be worth for a mercenary such as himself to ''sell'' the Separatists the details about the Republic clone army even then being assembled on Kamino? Especially since ''nobody'' from the Republic was overseeing the project (the Kaminoans were actually ''relieved'' when a Jedi ''finally'' showed up!), Jango faced no repercussions for selling them out -- because they had no idea who he even was! Nor would he, laden with a '''huge''' payoff, ''ever'' have to go anywhere near the Republic ever again if he didn't want to!
*** He can't sell it to the Separatists because Dooku, the leader of the Separatists, already knows that he's the template for the Clone Army- he's the guy who ''hired'' him for it. Really, it's not even a secret- both sides know after the movie that Jango is the one the Clone Army is based on, and they know that it was commissioned by Jedi. Assume the Jedi was Dooku (which it was, though Sifo Dyas played a part) and you could rationalise it as "Dooku secretly made a commission for the army in the name of the Republic, but secretly it was for the Separatists". If you are a Separatist, it looks like Dooku's secret "ace in the hole" that he never bothered telling you about and that was stolen from him by the Jedi; if you are with the Republic, it looks like you snatched the army from right under the nose of Count Dooku, or whoever they think Tyrannus might be. Aside from that, you fail to understand the character of Jango Fett- he isn't in it for the money, he isn't in it to retire, he is in it fighting and hunting are his ''life'', which is exemplified by the existence of Boba Fett in the first place: to carry on his legacy. So, firstly, he can't sell it to the Separatists because the guy he'd sell it to is Dooku (who knows), or he sells it to Gunray et al behind Dookus' back (which he won't do because he still works for Dooku and that is a betrayal of contract, not to mention it risks making an enemy of Dooku if he finds out), and secondly he ''doesn't care'' about any of this, because money isn't the main motivator for him- the way of life and the professionalism that goes with it is.
* Padme falls out of an aircraft that was traveling pretty fast. And yet she's completely uninjured?
** [[HandWave Clearly Geonosis has the softest sand in the galaxy]].
*** Hey, ''she's'' not the one that hates sand. Apparently, sand appreciates that.
* Speaking of recoveries, let's just get this straight here: they cannot reattach limbs severed by a lightsaber, but they ''can'' heal muscle-deep cuts into such limbs? Because Anakin needed a cybernetic replacement arm, but Obi-Wan apparently suffered no lasting impediment from the slices Dooku took out of him. In the next film he shows no signs of impaired movement in his arm and leg, even though at the time they were enough to render him unable to fight.
** Nicks with just enough force to render an opponent unable to fight, nothing some basic First-Aid can handle.
* So let me get this straight: one Jedi Master supposedly had a [[ArbitrarilyLargeBankAccount big enough expense account]] that he was able to just go to Kamino and order up an entire clone army, complete with weapons and a fleet of warships?! Yoda should have been as worried about the Jedi Order's accounting practices as he was about the fact that he did not sense the army's creation through the Force!
** This is explained in Darth Plagueis' novel. Sifo-Dyas was the one who placed the order, but Hego Damask (aka, Darth Plagueis), an extremely wealthy Muun (the guy in Episode II from the Banking clan is one) provided the funds.
** That does ''not'' explain why the Jedi Council and the Senate were not questioning the source of the money! Seriously, an entire army and fleet of warships just conveniently pops up, allegedly ordered by a Jedi Master, who like all Jedi was not supposed to have private assets and the funding did not come from either the Jedi Order or the Senate (who funds the Jedi Order)? This should have been the most obvious clue that there was something '''very''' suspicious about the clone army (along with the fact that they were clones of an employee of the Separatist leader Count Dooku) and about the Clone Wars in general! This is '''not''' Force mysticism! Any halfway decent investigator or auditor would have caught this!
*** Kamino was not a part of the Republic, to the extent that its ''existence'' could be erased from the Jedi astronomical database with nobody even noticing! Thus, the ''name'' of the buyer was irrelevant information. ''Anyone'' could show up on Kamino claiming to be "Jedi Master So-And-So" without having to prove it. Thus the ''real'' question is who '''paid''' for the clone army, not who ordered it!
*** However, this leads to the next issue. Kamino is not part of the Republic. Much like Tatooine -- and as we saw in ''The Phantom Menace'' not being a part of the Republic meant that Republic credits were worthless there. Likewise, a huge payment in Republic credits to a secretive world outside of the Republic would not work, because the Kaminoans could not ''spend'' the credits directly without becoming suddenly and glaringly visible on the galactic financial scene. This would mean that the money would have to be funneled through an intermediary, such as the Intergalactic Banking Clan (who just happened to be a signatory to the CIS charter!). Obi-Wan in particular [[IdiotBall should have caught this issue]], since he had personal experience with it.
*** Since the identity of the actual buyer of the clone army was obviously hidden behind a front (because the money did not come from the government of the Republic or the Jedi Order), that means that some interested, concealed, third-party paid for it.
*** The Jedi were already suspicious of Palpatine's increasing political power. But they never questioned the convenient way that an army and fleet were already built and ready to placed at his disposal literally at the exact time of him being granted emergency powers that allowed him to assemble such a military force? This despite the fact that nobody knew who ''really'' paid for their creation?
*** The Jedi are not suspicious of Palpatine until the 3rd film, after he is still in office despite his legal term being up (Yoda might be suspicious in this film, but it's more of a "something not right about this guy" sort of suspicion; nothing concrete). They realize at the end of the movie that a war between the Republic and the Separatists was exactly what the Sith wanted, but to what end they don't know. Palpatine might be the most obvious suspect, but without proof there is no reason to suspect him much more than anyone else (in the ''Legends'' novels it is mentioned that they think he might be a pawn), especially since they are regularly in meetings with him and they never once sense the Dark Side in him (a testament to his skill more than anything else). Basically, the Jedi ''do'' realize that they have been had, but they don't know the endgame nor the mastermind and it doesn't matter since if they don't play along and fight the war with the Clone army, the Republic will just find different, less capable commanders and possibly the Separatists will slaughter everyone regardless. They ''have'' to fight this war, which hampers their freedom to investigate what is ''really'' going on. Plus as stated, for all they know the clone army was originally meant to be used by Dooku and they just got lucky, even if they doubt that is true.
*** As a side note, the way events play out in the film, Dooku can claim that the Jedi had secretly built a clone army and invaded Geonosis while he and the leaders of his Separatist movement were convening (and any claims that they were about to murder two Jedi and a Senator and of course a dirty lie); this can be used to recruit more systems to his cause ''and'' blacken the Jedi name...just as the Sith planned all along.
* After trading taunts with Dooku in the balcony, why the heck did Windu just allow him leave calmly with his courtiers? He should have stuck his lightsaber up through Dooku's rectum at the very moment. Windu is the kind of Jedi who does not mind using direct fighting approaches, and it would have ended the Clone Wars conflict before its beginning.
** It's been a while since I've seen the movie, but I recall reading the EU book ''Shatterpoints'', which stars Mace Windu. Long story short, Windu has the power to see how people and events are connected to each other through the Force. He saw Dooku connected to incoming war, and knew killing him could stop the war before it starts. However, once the "calvary" Jedi join the fight, it constitutes hostilities against the Separatists by the Republic. So war cannot no longer be prevented, it's inevitable. So Windu sees through the Force now that killing Dooku won't stop the Clone Wars. Instead it would just create a martyr for the enemy's cause. Plus, didn't he have to jump off the balcony because super battle droids and Jango Fett's flamethrower?
** Windu was the living embodiment of his own assertion that the Jedi are "[[SpacePolice keepers of the peace]], not soldiers". His tactics at Geonosis were a solid example of GeneralFailure. He used his only weapon, his lightsaber, to keep Jango Fett at bay. Now, even though it was not common knowledge that Count Dooku was a Sith Lord, he ''was'' still known to be a very powerful Jedi Master. Had he chosen to attack Windu, either by drawing his own lightsaber or using the Force, then Windu would have had no choice but to pull his lightsaber away from Jango's throat. Had he tried to go straight for Dooku, Jango would have just shot him in the back! So even without the battle droids showing up, Windu ''never'' stood ''any'' chance of taking down Dooku. It was an idiotic gambit that could never have accomplished anything other than what it did: ([[RedShirtArmy get a lot of Jedi killed]])!
** Windu and Dooku are old comrades; Windu even spoke up for him when Padme accused Dooku of trying to kill her, saying "It's not in his character". Basically, he's pissed off at his old friend turning out to be a traitorous, murdering bastard, but not ''quite'' pissed off enough to stab him in the back.
* It's been years since I've seen the movie, but is it ever explained why the Separatists are leaving the Republic? It just seems too much like a 'lol, we're leaving just cuz, kthxbai" scenario. Did they have legit grievances against the Republic?
** The leaders we hear about are the trade federation, some kind of big banking conglomerate, and other business-types. Presumably they're trying to secede because they don't like the Republic's trade laws.
*** Specifically, the EU also says that the places manufacturing droid armies aren't happy with the Republic laws making them illegal.
** You also have 10,000 member-worlds seceding too. They have legitimate issues with how they're represented in the Republic, how corrupt some of it's functions are, the vast distances they might be located at from the Core, etc. It's all gone to in great detail in contemporary EU works.
** Remember the Battle for Naboo in the Phantom Menace? You see, the Sith's Grand Plan with that was to start the Separatist sentiment. If the Republic can't protect one of their major planets from a trading company, what good are they, and what right do they have to charge hefty bills? The Separatists are basically [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere tired of the Republic's shit and want to start their own personal government]]. That said, there are TWO factions inside the Separatists: The CorruptCorporateExecutive council you see in the movies, and the civilian council you see in WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars. Sadly, both factions are no more than pawns for the Sith.
* Why is Kamino not a major galactic power? They have the ability to build a clone army massive enough to serve as the primary military force of the most powerful organized entity in the ''galaxy'', and yet the Kaminoans themselves have no presence beyond their home planet. Their location at the very edge of the outer rim is actually an advantage in this regard, as similar to how the Mandalorians conquered worlds in KOTOR, it would be relatively easy for the Kaminoans with their cloning technology to set up at least a small empire on a number of rim worlds without the Republic or any other entity getting in the way. It's not like they don't have any motivation to expand either, what with their home planet experiencing a cataclysm and most of its surface being uninhabitable to their population.
** Kamino is more or less OUTSIDE the Star Wars Galaxy; if you read Star Wars Wiki, you'll see Kamino is basically shoved between the Star Wars Galaxy and a dwarf galaxy called Rishi Maze. They only developed a military program due to Jango Fett calling in a few contacts to train his clones. It's very likely that, like the Separatists leaders, they have little grasp on military strategy. They are, however, politically savvy. They know the Republic is made of hundreds of systems and are defended by the Jedi, so they're being smart about their chances of defying a galaxy-spanning government that is defended by WarriorMonks with supernatural powers, especially from a flooded planet with just a few cities. Kaminoans are also isolationist, so they don't want much to do with the rest of the universe, just profit. They're both minimalists and perfectionists. Considering the ViciousCycle of war in the main galaxy, they're being very smart (Especially since, once Order 66 came through, Sidious conquered Kamino).
* After some thought, why didn't the gunship carrying Anakin and crew just shoot Dooku? While I do understand they mention running out of missiles, this is still an armed gunship with laser cannons. Unless that carries a ammo count too, I really don't see them having trouble just because they ran out of missiles.
** I choose to believe that the lasers aren't designed to be aimed at a small, rapidly moving target like a speeder bike (in the initial BigDamnGunship moment, they're used to strafe across the massed battle droids). The clones could have tried it anyway, but being in their first battle fresh from training, aren't accustomed to using their equipment in ways it isn't designed for yet.
* Sorry if someone has brought this up already, but when Palpatine assumes emergency power, he says that his first action will be to use his powers to create a standing army, thus legitimizing the Clones. Fair enough. The trouble is, how does he explain the fact that the army is ready and mobilized, complete with accompanying armor, logistics and a ''whole Navy'' from Kuat Drive Yards, to the Senate? All he can really say is "I now authorize an army, and conveniently, we've been building one without your permission or oversight for years! Ta-da!" Yes, it was ordered under a Jedi's name, but surely people would question and investigate how and why the Jedi made this enormous decision, costing billions if not trillions of credits, without telling anyone and when, ostensibly, there was no need for it (the order was placed well before the events of ''The Phantom Menace''). How does Palps explain away the highly suspicious fact that he has a fully-completed military ready to pull out his back pocket the second the Senate gives him emergency power?
** Most frustratingly of all, Obi-wan and the Jedi Council talk about the Clone Army's mysterious origins and get very suspicious about them...and then it's never mentioned again. Seems like an AbortedArc to me.
** Actually the order for the clone army was made in 32 BBY, the same year in which the events of "The Phantom Menace" takes place.
** Desperation, manipulation, and possibly good old fashion mind control?
** But what kind of manipulation? The number one rule of a con artist is never make a con that is bigger than you - always be able to explain away any discrepancies, and always have an escape plan (ask Bernie Madoff). What is Palpatine's? And surely the Jedi would notice mind control - we're talking the entire investigative media of a galaxy here?
** He used mind tricks to fool the lesser-minded, and strong armed (threats, etc) the stronger-minded to shut up and sit down if they decided to speak out about this. That's my guess. Oh, and desperation. The Republic was being torn in two, people were panicking, 'cause they had never dealt with a war of that magnitude for likely hundreds of years. They were likely willing to let it slide that Palpy (who was like their great messiah here) just so happened to have an army and a navy already built for such an occasion.
** He didn't have to, because no one was going to ask, because no one wanted to know the answer. All they cared about was that they had an army to defend themselves against separatist aggression, and were more than happy to look the other way.
** Simple. The clones aren't ''our'' army, they're some army Palpy found and got to work for the Republic. Everyone who knows better is on the other side anyway and those who don't know better are perfectly willing to let the matter slide at least until they don't need the clones to protect them anymore.
*** Specifically, they were an army ordered by a dead Jedi. Either Dooku used his access to the Archives to steal the guy's identity and order the Clone Army in his name, or the guy defected when Dooku did (possibly as Dooku's apprentice). Presumably this was all set up so that Palpatine could go "I have recently learned of a clone army on Kamino. While I do not know the original reason for their commissioning, the one who filed the order is long dead, and I have thus offered to buy this army from the Kaminoans."
*** Although this raises the legitimate question of: [[ArbitrarilyLargeBankAccount just how big of an expense account do Jedi get]]? Most people cannot put an entire army ''and'' fleet onto a credit card!
** Lets just say he threatened to withhold highway money from anyone who questioned it and be done with it until WordofGod says something.
** The senators and general public don't have much knowledge about the Force, so saying that it was ordered by a Jedi would be enough as long as the Order was trusted. People would just assume that they had sensed the need for an army. This could give Palpatine cover not just for the clone army's existence, but the entire war! Who ordered the army? A Jedi. Who assembled the Separatists? An ex-Jedi. Who tried to assassinate the Chancellor? The Jedi. He has the perfect scapegoat, enough to mislead anyone suspecting a conspiracy.
** ^ Precisely. Of course the Jedi ordering up an army without any oversight or approval would look suspicious. It's the first small step in wrecking the Jedi's public image so Palpatine can kill them all. Remember, this whole story basically boils down a several-thousand-year-long grudge match between Sith and Jedi.
* There's one aspect of the Mace Windu/Jango Fett fight that has always bothered me. Windu decapitates Fett after cutting his blaster in half. Sharp eyed viewers will notice that Jango lost his other blaster on Kamino during his fight with Obi-Wan. This means that Mace Windu killed an UNARMED man. Does the Jedi Code allow this?
** Jango's armor was loaded with weapons and gadgets. It had already been clearly established that the Jedi are NotSoOmniscientAfterAll. So Windu had no way of really being sure that Jango was now safely "disarmed", or if he might have other weapons at his disposal.
* Mace loses his lightsaber while being chased by the Reek and Jango jumps on the ground knowing full well that Jedi can retrieve objects using the Force. Why? Lying flat on your stomach in a combat zone is one of the WORST tactical positions you could possibly be in so why would a renowned badass bounty hunter do something so foolish? Why didn't Jango just shoot Mace before he picked up his lightsaber? He would have won since Windu wouldn't have been able to block the blaster bolt. The entire fight between Windu and Fett seems to be a huge case of WhatAnIdiot on Jango's part.
** The entire battle of Geonosis was an example of WhatAnIdiot on almost ''everybody's'' part! Jango was just one of a multitude of idiots. GeneralFailure Mace Windu deployed his Jedi into an enclosed arena, where the majority of the crowd was capable of exiting at-will because they could ''fly'', leaving the Jedi vulnerable to being surrounded and trapped by enemy forces! Count Dooku was the only one present with anything resembling a clue.
* Another issue: when Obi-Wan fought Jango Fett ''why in the name of the Force did he not just yoink Jango out of the sky with the Force?!'' It would've taken two seconds and he'd have been able to capture and question him! Instead, he goes running round trying to fight him.
** Perhaps he wasn't strong enough to stop Jango's motion, which might have let to Obi-wan struggling to hold Jango, who could have just shot him.
** Because in the time it took him to go "OhCrap" he missed his chance to do that, and afterwards was more concerned with the fact that he was dangling over an ocean at the mercy of a murderer with more firepower than Alabama.
* Why did Mace Windu, after hearing from Obi-Wan's transmission from Geonosis that the Trade Federation & several other entities of the CIS were to pick up a DROID ARMY, why did he still go ahead with sending over 200 Jedi?
** All he knew was Yoda was going to the place. He didn't know he'd succeed in getting the army, or getting them there in enough time to save Obi Wan, Anakin, and Padme and stop the Separatists.
** Even worse, he deployed his Jedi inside of an enclosed area (the arena), filled with a race which could fly (the Geonosians) which would have left them vulnerable to attacks from the air even if there hadn't been an army of battle droids ready to slaughter them! Windu comes across as a GeneralFailure. But then again, he ''is'' the one who said that the Jedi were "keepers of the peace, not soldiers". Foreshadowing, the sign of a quality flick.
** Before the introduction of purposely organized Spec Ops divisions in the Clone Army, the Jedi had to serve as the advance-recon force, space police or soldiers it matters not. If Mace hadn't deployed the majority of the Jedi inside the arena, the Geneosians could have easily just swarmed the hostages and ripped them limb from limb. He needed an equalizer to buy time until the real army showed up.
*** So whatever happened to all that Jedi talk about not forming deep attachments or mourning those who have died? How does it make rational sense to sacrifice roughly '''200''' Jedi to save just '''3''' people? The Jedi sent just one Master and one Padawan to deal with the entire invasion of Naboo!
*** That was Chancellor Valorum, not the Jedi Order, who sent Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan to Naboo to handle the Trade Federation blockade, which didn't even became an invasion till later on. The tradition of not forming deep attachment or mourning does not mean the Jedi should not rescue senators and Jedi in a hostage situation. After all, Obi-Wan, Padme, and Anakin are quite important figures for the Galactic Republic and the Jedi Order; at the very least Padme is a fairly influential politician and Anakin is considered to be the ChosenOne. Not to mention it's not simply to rescue the hostages, but also to stop the Separatists from launching the Clone Wars.
*** They didn't send 200 Jedi to rescue three people - they sent 200 Jedi because they had a chance to take out/capture a large portion of the entire Separatist leadership, including Dooku himself. If they'd succeeded there wouldn't have been a war at all. But they were just smart enough to know high brass would have LOTS of security and wouldn't surrender easily. The actual fight was not their finest hour but despite the title 'Knight' most of them weren't soldiers and didn't have military training, at that point.
*** Except that the Jedi were not deployed in positions that would allow them to ''capture'' the "high brass" of the Separatists! They were spread throughout the arena, with only Mace Windu positioned to directly approach the Separatist leaders, one of whom was a Jedi Master known to be an extraordinary duelist! Indeed, the entire reason that the ''only'' non-Jedi casualty from the executive box was Jango Fett was because he did not stay out of the fight the way the others did. More Jedi focused on rescuing the three captives than on going after the Separatist leadership, even though taking out the latter would have stopped the war dead. After all, it was not just Count Dooku, but also Viceroy Gunray and Archduke Poggle. They represent the Separatist's de facto head of state, plus the heads of the Trade Federation and Geonosian Industries. The other CorruptCorporateExecutive[=s=] would have very likely backed down and denied ever having been a part of the conspiracy had those major figures fallen so early in the conflict!
* Why did Jango Fett want to have a mini version of himself? I understand the Kaminoans paid him for him to clone himself but why did he want Boba. He clearly didn't want to settle down and start a family because he continued to be a bounty hunter after they created Boba. He could have easily settled down; he probably had millions of credits in his bank account. So why did he want Boba?
** He clearly didn't want to leave his job for a woman, but [[MyBiologicalClockIsTicking his biological clock was ticking]].
** What I'm asking is why he'd have a kid at all. I know it's another annoying "Why didn't Character X do this?" Headscratcher but it just raises so many questions as to why a hardened bounty hunter like Fett, showing no signs of settling down, would ask to have a clone kid?
*** Like I said: [[MyBiologicalClockIsTicking his biological clock was ticking]]. He wanted an heir and legacy to leave behind when he inevitably died on some mission or other, and felt the biological imperative to have an offspring supporting and magnifying that desire.
*** Indeed. Despite what this wiki would have you believe at times, some people genuinely ''want'' children. Besides, at this point in time the Mandalorians were well on their way to dying out as both a race and culture. (Before Karen Traviss went "Naaaah, they were just napping slightly offscreen.") Jango wanted Boba not just to have a son not just for his personal legacy, but because he wanted to have someone carry on the ever-fading Mandalorian legacy.
*** Jango wanted to continue his gene pool, but was narcissistic enough to want an exact copy, no other woman's genes to dirty the pool. Besides, it's not like Jango was settling down and teaching his son T-ball or something; he was making his son to be as badass as he is, something very in character for a Mandalorian.
*** According to the Bounty Hunter game, it wasn't so much narcissism that inspired it as much as it was a realization that, with the kind of life he lives, settling down and finding a girl is out of the question, so this was pretty much the only way he would have a kid.
*** Maybe he was a ''literal'' ArmouredClosetGay?
* What did the Kaminoans get in exchange for them creating the clone army? Sifo-Dyas couldn't pay them because Jedi don't really have any money.
** According to the [[http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kaminoan wiki]] they got a seat on the Galactic Senate that they didn't previously have. That would greatly improve negotiations they could have with neighboring worlds, protect them from war (since neutral states can be fair game), and now have a say in the biggest political body in the galaxy. How they could afford to make the clones in secret for a decade is another matter...
* Why didn't the Jedi Council investigate Darth Maul beyond the level of 'not at all?' Here is a Sith Lord working in tandem with the Trade Federation to advance an unknown agenda. I find it impossible to believe that Nute Gunray and his circle of advisors wouldn't have cracked if questioned by Jedi Masters. Why didn't the Council know ten years later that a Sith Lord had manipulated the entire Naboo crisis? Why didn't they obtain Gunray's computer records? Why wouldn't they have obtained records of Sidious and Gunray in holoconference?
** It was implied that Nute Gunray didn't even know who Sidious was or why he's helping them. All he knows is that Sidious would provide them profits and rewards if they do whatever he says. And Sidious, as Chancellor Palpatine as well as the Senator of Naboo, would have ensure that any evidences tracing to him would have been wiped out entirely. After all, who says that the holoconferences were even recorded in the first place. And then there's the fact that Sidious's reasons for the Naboo's crisis is unclear without incorporating Senator Palpatine's rise to power. For all the Jedi know, Sidious wants to either conquer Naboo for himself or just cause chaos ForTheEvulz.
*** That does not answer the original question. At the time, the Jedi Council was not even sure whether Maul had been the Sith Lord or the apprentice! Gunray ''could'' have at least answered ''that'' question, as he ''knew'' that Maul was Sidious' apprentice. Plus, this would have revealed his Sith name and at least some information about what his activities and personality were. It would have also revealed that Sidious apparently had some influence in the Senate, which would have provided a clue as to his identity. Sidious frequently stated to Gunray that he would make sure that the invasion of Naboo was not interfered with by the Senate, and he apparently was capable of making good on his assurances. Movie canon Sith are not capable of long-range MassHypnosis (unlike their EU versions). That would reduce the possible number of candidates for who Sidious might be from the entire human and near-human population of the galaxy to just the membership of the Senate and their highest-ranking aides.
** Many of Gurnays' aides who were "in the know" were likely killed when Anakin blew up the Federation ship. Beyond that, perhaps the Jedi simply weren't allowed to interrogate him (they are peacekeepers, but that doesn't mean they are police) and even if they are, either he or Sidious and / or their lawyers could have stepped in to stop that. Ultimately it is likely that Sidious got to him first and made sure Gunray and everyone else knew they should much more afraid of ''him'' than they are of any Jedi. All Gunray had to do was keep quiet and all his legal team had to do was make sure the Jedi were kept as far away from him as possible (with the secret and unknown help of the Supreme Chancellor / Dark Lord of the Sith). Gunray had four trials and still not only escaped justice, but kept his old job; it is likely that after the first one (and possibly even before that) some judge gave him permission to go back to his homeward while most of the legal proceedings played out- the sort of thing that happens with sufficiently wealthy, powerful and well-connected corrupt corporate suspects all the time.
* So when Obi-Wan and Anakin are looking for the assassin subcontracted by Jango Fett, some guy in a bar offers Obi-Wan a drug with the improbable name of "death stick." Obi-Wan mind tricks him into going home and rethinking his life. Why don't the Jedi use this...like always? Wouldn't this eliminate 99.9% of crime in the galaxy if you could just wave your hand and give criminals a crisis of conscience and a chance to rethink their lives?
** You're expecting an order of a few hundred, maybe a couple thousand, to personally mind trick every single criminal in a galaxy with billions and billions of people in it? And you don't even know that it worked. For all you know, death stick guy went home, thought about it, and decided he was totally okay with selling death sticks after all.
** 32 years BBY, there were 10,000 Masters and Knights, so let's not underestimate the size of the order. But beside that, before the Clone Wars broke out, what else did the Jedi have to do on a day to day basis? Yeah, Qui Gon and Obi Wan went to negotiate a trade dispute on Naboo, but that was like 10 years ago. And if the mind trick wasn't an effective way to get death stick guy to stop being a drug dealer, why did Obi Wan bother instead of just saying, "you want to go away and stop bothering me."
** That trade dispute had a threat of war behind it. As the Legends EU showed, the Jedi had plenty to do across the galaxy. Someone's always about to declare war on somebody else, and that's much more pressing that wandering around the streets of a whole city-planet trying to mind trick everybody. Also, Obi-Wan didn't know if it would have any effect, but figured it was worth trying while he was here. He can't see into the future.
*** Visions of the future and SpiderSense are specifically in the Jedi power suite.
*** "Visions of the future" that are vague feelings about things important to them personally, and SpiderSense for other force users.
*** More like, Visions of the Future require intense meditation and concentration, and SpiderSense is specifically limited to "someone's about to try and kill me."
** Okay, 10,000 versus billions upon billions of people. You'd ''still'' need every single one of them spending all their time canvassing every single world to even come close to finding and mind tricking a fraction of the criminals and potential criminals in the galaxy. At some point the criminals would see this happening and fight the Jedi, and you don't think them proactively mind tricking everyone would get local and planetary governments to step in and stop them?
*** So it's a big logistical problem. I'm still trying to figure out why the Jedi aren't doing this and reducing crime in the galaxy by huge amounts.
** Because it wouldn't work for all the reasons we just stated above, and they have other, more important things to do. Remember, folks: Just because it's on a Cracked list doesn't mean it'd actually work.
** For what it's worth, the Legends EU says the drug dealer (Elan Sel'Sabagno) lapsed between trying to stave off drugs and continuing to sell them. The films have also demonstrated that Jedi mind tricks do not work on everyone, even entire species. (And it's called a "death stick" because it siphons off lifespan.)
** Folks, Obi-Wan was just trying to tell Elan the Death Stick Guy to leave him alone as he was kinda on an important mission. Why he didn't just say, "You don't want to bother me again"? I figured that as a Jedi, he would want the people's best interests at the forefront of his thinking. Telling a man who ''clearly'' got into some bad habits to rethink his life would be more helpful than a mere "get lost, ya druggie!" At least from the Jedi standpoint. As to why they don't do this to everyone? The Jedi are powerful, but they're not gods and they certainly can't be everywhere at once. Besides, free will and all that stuff; the Jedi probably don't want to make a habit of routinely mind tricking people to be good even if they wanted it to be that way ('cause forcing people to submit is kind of a Sith thing...) Besides, as for our dear friend, according to Wookipedia, he flipped back and forth between his bad habits and going clean ''three years'' after his encounter with Obi-Wan. So even if the Jedi ''did'' try to use the mind trick on everyone, there's no guarantee that it would work at all.
** He could also have just thrown in the "rethink your life" part on the off chance that it might work, with the main goal being to get the guy to leave him alone.
** Plus, pay attention to Obi-Wan's wording. "You want to go home and rethink your life." Not "You want to stop doing and selling drugs and become a charity worker," not "You want to turn yourself in to the police," not "You want to flip on the other criminals you're working with." As respectful of free will and personal choice as a mind trick can be, leaving Elan's fate ultimately in his own hands: if he does decide he wants to do something more with his life, that's his decision. If he ultimately decides what he's best at is being a two-bit drug dealer, than that's his decision, too.
** I always just assumed that the guy was ''highly'' suggestible at the time, because he himself was already high on death sticks. So the command to "rethink your life" would only last till he came down from the high, at which point his normal personality would return. So the Jedi ''can't'' cause criminals to reform at a whim. The mind tricks only have a short-term effect.
* RunningBothSides can be advantageous but was Palpatine's strategy to give the Republic the overall dominance in the war effort? The Separatists seem meaningless to his long-term game (since they're casually murdered as disposable liabilities once he consolidates his Imperial power), only there to act as the catalyst to encourage the Senate to turn over its power to him. But what if they were actually able to strike a decisive advantage against the Republic? Even if Darth Sidious and Dooku were the ones calling the shots, they would have to engineer the war effort to hide their true intention (i.e. actually take advantages when they present themselves and wound the Republic) and if the Separatists exploited a weak spot in the Republic that helped push them to win the war and capture Coruscant, Palpatine would be squeezed because there's no way he would be able to convince them as sitting Supreme Chancellor he should be spared once they occupied the capital (and Dooku would have to play along lest he also be tried for treason by the Separatists).
** What was his strategy? It's very simple: Call up the separatist leaders and ''command them to lose''. He's in charge of both armies (via proxies). He can just ''tell'' them what to do.
** Sidious is kept abreast of all major Separatist strategies (when he isn't directing them) and likely feeding them information. The danger of them actually being able to strike a major blow against the Republic and put Palpatine at risk without his knowledge would be minimal, and remember that the leader of the Separatists is his own apprentice. The scenario described above is only really plausible if Dooku either isn't doing his job (eg. Grevious or the other leaders make important decisions behind his back or outright overthrow him) or if Dooku flat-out betrays Sidious, which in either case means he has bigger problems than worrying where Palpatine will fit in a post-Separatist victory. In any case, it's unlikely the non-Dooku Separatists will want to ''kill'' the Chancellor so much as take him prisoner, but the most logical course of action for him to take would be for Palpatine to fake his death followed by Sidious taking a more direct role in the Confederacy, which would only happen if a Confederate victory became not only more plausible but also more ''desirable''- again, Palpatine controls both sides, which means he has a monopoly on important strategic information, which means he is basically playing a chess match against himself and can pick and choose not just who wins what battle but also which battles are fought in the first place. Basically, as long as he plans carefully enough and doesn't tip his hand (and more than likely, the Republic might just be the more powerful of the two factions to begin with), it shouldn't be ''that'' hard to con each side. Not to mention, Separatist leaders like Nute Gunray are morons.
* This has more sweeping implications (like "why isn't Padme's relationship to Anakin known to the Jedi Council") but to nail it down, how come the Jedi Council overlooked Anakin's vengeful slaughter of the Tusken Raiders? Maybe he did a damn good job of it but it still seems hard to imagine that, as conflicted and grief-stricken as he was about everything surrounding it, he would be able to suppress his emotions enough to go undetected when he was brought before the Council for any sort of debrief (even Yoda felt it when he flew off the handle, although the dialogue there does leave open the ambiguity of what was actually sensed at that moment other than Anakin's sorrow). I would definitely think it might have come up when his knighthood ceremony was conducted (since, more than any other time, peering into his mind would not be unwarranted).
** He probably never told them about the slaughter, and Padme wouldn't have, either. The Jedi aren't mind-readers -- they might sense emotion, but that would be easily explained by him finding his mother dead. When he was knighted, it was years later during the war, long after it would still be on his mind.
* The presence of [=C3P0=] on the Lars's farm raises two questions:
** 1) Did Anakin basically steal Threepio from Clegg? Granted, the droid was Anakin's originally, but one would think it would necessitate some conversation between Anakin and Clegg if the former wanted to take the droid with him. Particularly since we know from ANH that a translator is a pretty essential requirement to run a moisture farm.
*** Threepio could be considered something of an inheritance to Anakin since his mother, who would be Threepio's actual owner since he left Tatooine ten years ago, or alternatively just going back to his proper owner. Cleigg likely wouldn't have been too bent up over it in any case since Anakin ''was'' family, now.
** 2) And this is the big one; ''how in the hell does Owen not remember Threepio''? It's never stated how long Shmi lived on the Lars homestead, but it must have been at least a few years, given that it was long enough for her and Clegg to fall in love and get married. So presumably Threepio would have been hanging around for several years of Owen's childhood. Given that, how is it that when he buys Threepio from the Jawas twenty years later, he doesn't even give the slightest blink of recognition when Threepio introduces himself? Did Owen get mind wiped too?
*** The last time Owen saw Threepio, he didn't have his gold finish. If ''The Clone Wars'' is any indication, most people in the galaxy don't see droids as individuals and consider most of them replaceable. There's also only so many combinations of letters and numbers that could be used for droid designations in a galaxy of quintillions, so it'd be reasonable to assume that if Owen ''did'' recognize Threepio's designation, he might assume that it was just another protocol droid with the same designation.
*** The fact that 3PO did not recognise ''Owen'' might be another indicator to Owen that this is not the same droid (that he last saw two decades ago). Even if he considers that 3PO might have just has his memory erased...what of it? How can he prove that? It's not like 3PO can confirm this if he asks (after all- memory wipe) and he's clearly different from how Owen remembers him superficially. Most likely though he just didn't think of it- he didn't even seem to be listening to 3PO when he told him his name; he cared more about what 3PO was capable of and what kind of work he could do.