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!Transformers Series
[[folder: General]]
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[[folder: Fridge Brilliance ]]

* In most, if not all Transformers series - particularly the Japanese series, [[Film/{{Transformers}} the live-action movies]] and ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'', the Transformers move with [[ImpossiblyGracefulGiant impossible grace and agility]] despite being HumongousMecha. However, this can be seen as Fridge Brilliance since, in the movies and the Marvel G1 continuity, Cybertron is [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:DOTMCybertrontransit.jpg MUCH]] larger than Earth - in Marvel G1, it's stated to be the size of Saturn, while in the movies, it appears to be more the size of a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super-Earth Super-Earth]]. Logically, Cybertron must have a MUCH higher gravity than Earth due to its greater mass, and so, Transformers are [[HeavyWorlder Heavy Worlders]] - on their home planet, they'd probably have an agility more like a human's, meaning non-rocket-assisted jumps wouldn't be too high. On the much smaller Earth, though, they can run faster, jump higher, and are generally more agile - much like SilverAge {{Superman}}.
** Optimus managed to survive re-entry of Earth's atmosphere and only slightly injured.
** On the other hand, in the original series story arc "The Ultimate Doom,'' Cybertron seems to be tiny compared to Earth (not that this affects its size in other continuities). It may still have high gravity for its size, since it's made of metal, and therefore dense. Indeed, when humans visit the place, it appears to have roughly Earth gravity. A different possible explanation for the Transformers' ease of movement (and their casual violations of the SquareCubeLaw) could be that, judging by Megatron, Soundwave, and the Cassettes, the Transformers clearly have technology to change size and mass. If we assume this tech is ubiquitous in all Transformers, they may actually weigh a great deal less than they appear to, or they may be able to change their mass depending on their situation (probably not giving it any more conscious thought than we'd give to holding our arms out for balance when we're unsteady on our feet). This could also account for a lot of the [[YourSizeMayVary scale issues]] that have always plagued the franchise.
* The Original Series is often derided for its NobodyCanDie policy. Up until the 1986 movie, we never saw any Transformer die, except in flashbacks to Cybertron's history. ''[[JustifiedTrope This makes perfect sense.]]'' The war has been going on for millions of years, with many of the same combatants lasting through the whole conflict. This would be absurd if the war had anything like a human mortality rate. These aren't humans, they're multimillion-year old giant alien robots. Transformers are ''hard'' to kill. They're even hard for ''each other'' to kill. They fight their war on a mythological timescale, where a single warrior may fight for ages before falling. It should be a rare, major event when somebody actually dies. Notably, this isn't entirely a good thing, because it means the war can drag on forever, and it ''has.'' People praise the 1986 movie for having a "realistically" high body count, but in the established context of TheVerse, [[FridgeLogic it's the movie's high body count that is illogical, not the previous TV episodes.]]
** Not quite as illogical if you realize that during the series, they were always fighting over the resources on a single world. In the movie, the Decepticons have taken over Cybertron, while the Autobots have the run of Earth, so it's not terribly unreasonable to conclude that the reason we suddenly see a high body count is that both sides are operating at full power for the first time in the series. That would also explain why the Autobots who were relying on the limited resources of the moon bases are so easily slaughtered by a small group of 'cons who were on Cybertron, but once the 'cons reach Earth it's a much more even battle.

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[[folder: Fridge Horror ]]

* ''{{Transformers}}'': The war between the Autobots and Decepticons. Depending on the source material, this war may or may not have been going on for ''millions of years.'' Just to clarify, the Human race is maybe a couple hundred thousand years old. Not to mention that the body count both sides would be completely insane, the race is pretty much doomed to extinction (again, depends on the adaptation), and the fact that the Decepticons are still determined to win even though it's obvious that the whole conflict is basically glorified genocide. Suddenly makes Megatron and his army a lot less likable...
** Also, short of completely destroying a Transformer's spark, it's fairly simple to put one back together and be in fighting order in a few days. Talk about eternal warfare.
* Why not an even more '''basic''' aspect of the premise? Specifically, the "robots in disguise" part? You know, the part where they can pretty much pick ''anything they want'' to turn into, and you'd never know? [[ParanoiaFuel Look really carefully at the parked cars in your neighborhood, kids. That Decepticon symbol on the fender might not have come from Hot Topic.]]
** Not just the cars. Look at [[SinisterSurveillance Reflector]], the cameraformer. There could be a Decepticon in your ''room'', and [[ParanoiaFuel you'd never know]].
* The entire idea of combiners is pretty horrifying once you think about it. [[TheHumanCentipede You're joining your body with at least one other person]], using [[BodyHorror specific unfolding connectors]]. Then you're stuck in this gigantic behemoth's mind. If you're lucky, you get along fairly well with your team and the combined mode is stable (Defensor, Computron, Predaking, Piranhacon) and usually stupid (Superion, Bruticus, Abominus). Then, sometimes you're with a bunch of people you disagree with, causing your merged mind to be completely berserk (Devastator). But oh, it gets worse. What if your components are a psychotic tyrant, a self-obsessed glory hog, a paranoid wreck, a suicidal weirdo and a batshit insane rampager who can't stay quiet for three seconds? Then you're Menasor, who has enough mental problems to warrant his own asylum. Have fun getting in that head.
** And the whole combiner thing? The franchise never really goes in to what happens when a gestaltmate dies. When part of their freaking ''[[OurSoulsAreDifferent spark]]'' is just... extinguished. ''Gone''. Just like that.
*** I wouldn't worry, as Scrapper died in the IDW G1 comics, and the other Constructicons were perfectly fine after that.
* A lot of transformers had oddball personality quirks, mental disorders, or were just plan nuts according to their tech spec profiles. Seems a little odd so many of them would be neurotic? Remember most of them have been fighting for millions of years in a war with not end in sight. They've seen untold death and destruction. Yeah, no wonder so many transformers have mental issues.
* The hate plague episode(s) should be put into account we see transformers vs transformers fighting each other regardless of their side. And the plague later infects humans world wide. The infected individual will attack just about anyone in arms reach. So we can imagine humans killing each other in the millions, or worst transformers blasting and possibly stomping on PunyEarthlings with their weapons and feet.
* Unicron is a universal entity, meaning that he exists in all universes. [[TheFourthWallWillNotProtectYou Including ours.]]
* Another universal example, the titular robot aliens are almost completely incapable of dying of old age, so long as they remain properly nourished with energon. Throughout the entire franchise Cybertronians' have made strong friendships with humans and similar life forms. [[WeAreAsMayflies So it must be heartbreaking for them to watch as there organic friends seem to almost instantly deteriorate]], [[TimeDissonance from there point of view.]]
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[[folder: Transformers Animated Series]]
!!Transformers Animated
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* ''TransformersAnimated'': In the episode "S.U.V.: Society Of Ultimate Villainy," Swindle creates and activates a device capable of stopping anything and everything mechanical in its proverbial tracks - and, unlike the ''OceansEleven'' example, this really ''did'' affect the entire city. Obvious NightmareFuel aside, consider the impact this event had on ''humans''. Think about it. Anyone who had a pacemaker or respirator, or who was on life support, or who was being operated on at that time... in short, anyone who was relying on ''machines'' for survival. And let's not forget the airport. Or any number of other things. You really have to wonder how many people Swindle maimed or ''killed'' in that episode.
** The character Lockdown is a big bag of Fridge Horror - he's a bounty hunter who has a penchant for taking weapons and upgrades from his targets as trophies. Parts that are more often than not, part of said robot's body. He's a serial maimer, one who takes pleasure in mutilating others, and keeping (and often times, using) his 'trophies' to acquire more. "I'm not good with names and faces, but I never forget a trophy." [[DracoInLeatherPants And this guy has fangirls just piling up at his feet]].
*** Emphasis on ''serial maimer.'' It's shown throughout ''TransformersAnimated'' that transformers feel pain. Optimus waking up strapped to a surgical table with his grappler removed and attached to Lockdown is less like [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Bruce Wayne]] getting his GrapplingHookPistol stolen and more like [[{{Film/Spider-Man}} Movieverse Peter Parker]] waking up [[BodyHorror with his web-shooting glands surgically removed]] ''[[NightmareFuel and stitched and fully functional on his tormentor.]]''
* Blitzwing tearing off Ratchet's arm to get Sari's Key. In the next scene he shows up, he's still got the Key, but there's no sign of the arm. Probably just left it around somewhere, right? Except in a later episode, Blitzwing just happens to mention [[ImAHumanitarian how much he loves servo salad]]...
* Cyclonus' few minutes on the show and his entry in Allspark Almanac II all but confirm that Megatron will become Galvatron someday. Everything the Autobots did in this series will ultimately be undone and Megatron will be reborn as an even greater threat. And because the series is over, we'll never get to see if it turns out okay in the end.
** There's some pretty heavy hinting that [[TheDragon Cyclonus]] used to be [[DirtyCoward Skywarp]]. Yeah, ''[[IneffectualSympatheticVillain that]]'' [[TheWoobie Skywarp]]. Kinda makes you wonder just ''[[TraumaCongaLine what]]'' happened to the [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse poor guy]] after the series ended, doesn't it?
* In the name of creating an "organic transformer," human villain [[PlayingWithSyringes Meltdown]] mutated ''at least'' two humans ([[AcceptableTargets his lawyer and stock broker,]] for those curious) into horrifying [[MixAndMatchCritters fusion creatures]], and [[DisproportionateRetribution out of petty revenge]] was '''dangerously''' close to doing the same exact same thing to his business rival Professor Sumdac's ''eight-year-old child Sari.'' [[spoiler: Consider Sari's part-cybertronian heritage and the end results wouldn't have been pretty.]]
* It kind of makes you wonder just what exactly goes on in the Stockade to drive Wasp insane...
** The Timeline comics shows that the prisoners are kept in small cramped up cells that leave no room for them to transform to vehicle mode. GoMadFromTheIsolation maybe?
* Less FridgeHorror and more Fridge Depression, but Starscream’s [[spoiler: clones]] are programmed to represent exactly one facet of Starscream’s personality. This being TheStarscream, it’s not a pleasant prospect. They’ll spend the rest of their lives as a DirtyCoward, a JerkAss, a SycophanticServant, a chronic liar, and... [[YouDoNotWantToKnow something]]. In every case, they're pretty much doomed never to be happy.
** Well, Derrick Wyatt explained in an interview that he intended to have the clones evolve into individuals the longer they remained online. While the concept appears to have been dropped, who's to say it won't still happen?
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[[folder: Beast Wars]]
!!Beast Wars
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[[folder: Fridge Brilliance ]]

* I was personally bugged that in ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'', at least three characters - Inferno, Blackarachnia, and Rhinox - are reprogrammed, yet Megatron puts up with Waspinator's laziness and stupidity, Tarantulas' insanity, and Terrorsaur's [[TheStarscream Starscreaminess]]. Why didn't he just reprogram them? Then it clicked. Until ''Beast Machines'' (which, frankly, may as well not even ''have'' the same Megatron thanks to CharacterDerailment), there was only one hint that Megatron even ''had'' programming skills - the Transmuter, and that one backfired when Rhinox utterly wtfpwned pretty much the entire Predacon ship, and demonstrated that a fully-active Cybertronian is ''very very hard'' to truly reprogram. The only one to semi-permanently reprogram anyone was Tarantulas, and unless you're actively suicidal, you don't want to trust Tarantulas to reprogram ''all'' your henchmen. And even then, he was hotwiring protoforms rather than "adults" like Waspinator and Terrorsaur! No less than ''three'' reasons why he didn't try it until he was grotesquely misusing Sparks in ''Beast Machines''! - @/CountDorku
** And note that in Beast Machines, he had to effectively wipe all but the basic functions from said sparks to reprogram them. Two of the three that he didn't reprogram ended up rebelling [[spoiler: while the third was Waspinator, who didn't exactly need much coercing]]. The last two he "reprogrammed" turned out to be doing it out of their own free will (the need to protect Cybertron as a whole, even if it's no longer the Cybertron they knew).
* Megatron's motivation in ''WesternAnimation/BeastMachines''. Okay, so it's pretty impressive, much more creative and ambitious than generic 'take over the world/galaxy/universe', but I didn't fully appreciate it until some time after I saw ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'' (yeah, we didn't get ''Beast Wars'' until several years after ''Beast Machines'' had already aired). Anyway, look at how much his minions betray him - only two remain loyal, and one of those is just barely competent. Is it any wonder he would come to consider free will itself to be the problem? - @/VampireBuddha
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[[folder: Transformers Film Series]]
!Transformers Film Series
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* Whilst the Decepticons are mostly immune to our weapons, they can be hurt be extremely high-temperature explosive rounds. Now, some people still wonder how our weapons could effect robots with metal skin and armor far tougher than any of our alloy. And how could they be? Well, the first film explains that most modern tech, including weaponry, was produced by studying Megatron's inner-workings.
* [[spoiler:The Fallen's death]] becomes this when you think about it. [[spoiler:The Fallen was personally responsible for the entire war, a war that Optimus has seen the horrors of first hand. In that perspective, it's little suprise that Optimus went for NoKillLikeOverkill in dispatching the monster who was behind everything to happen to the Transformers for ''centuries''.]]
* Sentinel's use of the iconic "Needs of the many" line isn't a pointless ActorAllusion - [[spoiler:considering what the Decepticons were planning, it shows just how AxCrazy he'd become]].
* Dylan comments that collecting cars helps him relieve stress. [[spoiler: Obviously, being under the pressure of the Decepticons can be really stressful. It also provides them all with ready disguises and a place to hide, a la Soundwave.]]
* Laserbeak [[spoiler: takes on Bumblebee's form to befriend the daughter of one of his human workers.]] One might find it odd that [[spoiler: the girl isn't that startled by his presence, but then remember that, by this time, Earth is fully aware of the Autobots' and Decepticons' existence.]] With that in mind, [[spoiler: it's possible that this girl knows about Bumblebee and the Autobots, and assumed (or was told by Laserbeak) that this small, pink visitor was just an Autobot.]]
* As pointed out in the Transformers wiki, Sentinel's theme on the soundtrack is three minutes and sixteen seconds long, corresponding to the number 316 on his altmode.
* Why is Dylan [[spoiler: so desperate for the Decepticons to win, when it's clear the Autobots are near victory? Simple: If the Autobots win, he and his associates (well, the ones that didn't get killed yet) will be labeled as war criminals for betraying the whole human race.]]
** Don't be silly. [[spoiler:He'd never make it to the courthouse. Or the end of the first night in custody.]]
* [[spoiler: Dylan]] and Soundwave can be seen as {{Evil Counterpart}}s to Sam and Bumblebee. With that in mind, it makes perfect sense that Bumblebee would kill Soundwave, and Sam would kill [[spoiler: Dylan]].
* Why does Optimus violently destroy anything/anyone who threatens Earth? Simple: He wants to make sure Earth doesn't wind up a barren wasteland like Cybertron, with its native inhabitiants reduced to near extinction.
* People are always going on about [[MemeticMutation Give Me Your Face]] and the whole OffWithHisHead thing the autobots do in the movies, but think for a minute what would be the most efficient way to kill something? [[Film/ShaunOfTheDead remove the head or destroy the brain.]]
** Plus, when you consider how small Transformer heads are in proportion their bodies, it most likely takes more effort and focus to take out the head.
** And as we saw, Frenzy continued to live in decapitated form, quickly taking another mode. If a Cybertronian doesn't destroy the head of his foe, he could easily find later on that one of his recovered weapons is secretly the disguised form of the foe's head, which could literally bite you in the ass later.
* The movies get alot of flak for [[AmericaWinsTheWar how effective the American military is]] against the Decepticons, sometimes even moreso then the Autobots who have fought them for ''ages''. This actually would make sense, because the Decepticons have had all that time to get used to Autobot tactics and adjust their own (the stalemate this causes is actually the ''entire plot of the franchise!'') and with Earth tactics being alien, new, and unexpected. America would naturally be the most effective, with them getting their tech from Megs and all.
** The Ameicans are shown teaming up with other militaries and governments as well, if only because the Decepticons arne't selective in where they operate. In addition to the tactics issue, also recall that the humans have the Decepticons ''heavily'' out numbered, and are fighting on their own turf, ParanoiaFuel form transforming enemies aside. The Decepticons by nature of where they are fighting are always in danger of being on the receiving end of a ZergRush, where the Zerg have fighter bombers, tanks, and rocket launchers. And that is before the humans [[TookALevelInBadAss tailor their infantry tractics ot dealing with Cybertronian enemies in the third film.]]
* The gripes about how all machinery that is affected by the Allspark transforms and acts somewhat hostile can be negated by the fact that every piece of technology on Earth was reverse engineered via Megatron's makeup, so technically everything is more or less another version of Megatron once brought to life.
** Alternatively, one can argue that the Allspark simply gives ''life'' to the machine. It's possible that something else (Vector Sigma?) is needed to give the newly activated Cybertronian higher intelligence, such as a sense of morality. As a result, the Allspark-imbued machine is simply a primal beast, working on preserving itself in an alien environment.
* When the Wreckers were first revealed, a lot of fans thought they would have redneck voices. They don't; instead, they're British (Cockney to be percise). So why do they have alt-modes as NASCAR Sprint Cup Series cars? Because Daytona International Speedway is about half an hour away from Canaveral, and engineers like them would want top-notch vehicle modes.
* Sentinel Prime, played by Leonard Nimoy, [[spoiler: has an Evil Spock goatee]].
* It's a mystery where Optimus got his new weaponry from in the third movie. But then you remember that [[spoiler:Jetfire brandished an axe and had a machine gun that Optimus used in the second movie. Optimus salvaged Jetfire's remains for himself to honor the late seeker. Also, by using Jetfire's weapons, he can in some way fight alongside a Prime and make a positive difference.]]

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* Dylan's entire life, when you think about it. [[spoiler: Ever since he was young, he was told by his father about how he would eventually have to aid the Decepticons in enslaving humanity. He spent all his life knowing that, one day, a massive AlienInvasion would happen, and ''he would help the aliens win''. Judging from his talk with Sam, it seems that, at one point, he himself questioned how one can pull off such a horrifying act on their own homeworld--- By which his father simply told him "When it's not your war, you choose the side that's going to ''win.''" He was conditioned to accept that there was ''no way'' the Decepticons would lose; after all, he knew about their plans for ''years'', whereas the Autobots didn't arrive until between 2005-2008. By then, he was a grown man set in his ways, his father having trained him to be the way he is. It's no surprise, then, that he panicked when the Autobots gained the upper hand, because he couldn't imagine what he'd do if the 'Cons lost, not after all the years he spent overseeing their plans unfold, as well as helping them in said plans. As he tells Sam in their final confrontation, "There's only one future for me!"]]

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[[folder: Fridge Logic ]]

* The third film has the Autobots destroy an illegal nuclear plant in the Middle East. A news report later says that no country has taken responsibility for the attacks. The problem, however, is that the soldiers in the plant clearly saw Dino transform into his robot mode, and the US is the only country that has Autobots. Wouldn't people be able to put two and two together, especially since Autobots and Decepticons are now common knowledge throughout the world?
** Maybe they thought Dino was Italian...
** "Taken responsibility" means no country has admitted publicly that they were behind it. Bee could've gone in waving the American flag and blaring a medley of John Philip Sousa if he wanted, and technically the US, as a country, could have still not "taken responsibility" for the attack.
* In the first film, while you can understand why the American Government would want Megatron on US soil to keep it out of any foreign nation's hands, why the hell didn't they build a base to hold him in the Artic? That way, Megatron would remain frozen ''without'' needing the power of an entire dam to keep him that way?
** Keep in mine, they could still have built Hoover Dam to house the Allspark! Overall, what in the name of sanity made them think that keeping an artefact that can animate technology into hostile alien robots, right next to a known hostile giant robot, was ever going to be a ''good'' idea?
*** They didn't KNOW Megatron was evil. They found him already frozen and knew nothing about him at all. They didn't find out he was evil until he unfroze and went on a rampage. That said, I agree that keeping him and the cube in the same facility was not the brightest idea.

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[[folder: Transformers G1]]
!Transformers Generation 1
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* Why did Galvatron finally do what he flat out refused to do as Megatron and [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim kill Starscream.]] Two possible reasons: (1) Unicron's reformatting of him him may have had subtle influence on his thought patterns. He was rebuilt to find the Matrix, and this was likely prioritized in his mind, with the additional thought pattern of destroying any that obstructs this goal, and what was [[TheStarscream Starscream]] if not obstructive. (2) Along with his own reformatting, he also got new minions. Among them, Cyclonus. Who was all the things Starscream wasn't: Loyal, competent, and powerful. Megatron is implied to have kept Screamer around due to not having better options. That changed when Cyclonus, who is all the things Starscream is, only better. No wonder Galvatron vaporized him. Starscream had [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness finally outlived his usefulness.]]
** Nice catch; I always just thought it was because when Megatron was reformatted, Unicron's unfluence turned him into an insane and ruthless madman. Which I suppose is still likely, but a lot less brilliant.
** Or, more simply, that Megs had been willing to put up with Screamer as long as Starscream kept failing. By this point, Starscream had ''won.'' Megatron was only still alive by pure dumb luck, and was arguably stuck in a FateWorseThanDeath, getting his whole identity warped and enslaved by Unicron. This was ''beyond'' the last straw. No wonder he finally let Starscream have it.
* In the second episode, Starscream tests the energon cubes to see if they work. This may seem [[WhatAnIdiot really stupid]], but remember, before Starscream became Decepticon air commander, he was a ''scientist''. Of course he'd want to test the cubes!
* Why would Predaking be much smarter than the other combiners [[InformedAbility if the writers ever bothered to read the characterizations]]? Because his components' altmodes are animals. Whereas the other combiners are amalgamations of minds that don't always get along (and sometimes outright ''hate'' each other), Predaking is a ''pack''. When the hunt is on, internal conflicts get put aside.
* Sky Lynx's near-insufferable sense of superiority makes a lot of sense when you step back and take a look at his combined non-alternate mode: He's a ''dragon''. How often in modern fiction do you see sentient dragons ''without'' an ego?
* Megatron's alt mode is a gun, which has to be held by others in order to be fired. A case of WhatKindOfLamePowerIsHeartAnyway? Nope - a gun has only one purpose, and that's to kill people. He chose it in order to be more intimidating!

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[[folder: Fridge Horror ]]

* In the G1 movie, it always seemed that the mass murder of most of the original cast was arbitrary, and just a way to make the movie darker. But as the Nostalgia Chick points out, all of the dead characters were replaced, in the movie, by new characters that had never existed before. The reason? Commerce. It was time to sell new toys, and what better way to do it than to kill everyone off and start fresh? Realizing this motivation makes it a lot easier to understand the huge divide between loving and hating Hot Rod/Rodimus; he was a character created for the sole reason to sell toys. Optimus Prime was killed because he wasn't selling enough; basically most of the original cast was euthanized.
** This was brought up on disscussions for ghost in the machine, where Blitzwing (old toy) had his part rewritten for Octane (new toy). Instead of sales figures, the real case was that the old toys were out of production, and the new ones were on the shelves.
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[[folder:Transformers G1 Anime series]]
!TransformersVictory
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[[folder: Fridge Brilliance ]]

* Considering how many long years of hibernation of the original G1 characters, you'd think Autobots are leaderless right? Until we found out, new leaders were created for this reason, such as Fortress Maximus and Star Saber. Unfortunately, FridgeHorror comes to play as well, since we have later Decepticon leaders who are very brutal8
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* As FridgeHorror comes to play, could you imagine if [[BadBoss Deathsaurus]] goes around, destroying everything with his Decepticon Fortress without the creation of Star Saber? Granted, it may not defeat Unicron, but still.
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[[folder: Transformers Unicron Trilogy]]
* Most Decepticons in Cybertron keep their Cybertronian alt-mode, with the exception of Thundercracker; all the Autobots, on the other hand, adopt Earth-modes. Keeping in mind that Thundercracker eventually becomes disenchanted with the Decepticon cause, one can say that Planet Cybertron has the hat of robotic self-interest, while Planet Earth has the hat of protecting and caring for others, the Autobots' prime motivation. Vector Prime even fits in this categorization, with his initial motivation safeguarding Cybertron, arguably coming from a form of self-interest.
** Lugnut and Mudflap get earthmodes, and eventually become good guys as well.
** Thunderblast also has an earth based mode, but she's the epitome of self interest.
*** She's keeping her options open
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