[[folder: Fridge Brilliance ]]
* GeniusBonus: North has a Russian accent. St. Nicholas is the patron saint of Moscow and is widely venerated in Russia.
* In a number of shots when Jack is positioned with his staff in front of him and the hood of his sweatshirt pulled up he [[TarotMotifs resembles]] [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hermit_%28Tarot_card%29 the Hermit]]. Aside from being a literal hermit (though [[HatesBeingAlone not by choice]]) in his isolation and [[InvisibleToNormals Invisibility to Normals]], he is the only one of the guardians to spend a great deal of time philosophizing and reflecting on [[ContemplateOurNavels the reason for his existence]], even going so far as to [[RageAgainstTheHeavens question why he was made what he was]], and is the first to realize and understand that the other guardians have strayed from their purpose by cutting themselves off from the very children they're protecting. Not only does he share his insight with the other Guardians, he becomes comfortable in his role as one by the end, "returning from isolation to share his knowledge with others", urges in his final narration to believe and trust in the moon, and bestows a boon in telling Jamie he is a guardian too and will be defending the Guardians, just as they defend the children.
* Sandy's irises have the shape of a star in them, the golden part of Pitch's irises and his pupils look like a solar eclipse. [[spoiler: Pitch is the one to snuff out Sandy's light and, like the sun after an eclipse, Sandy came back]].
* A bit of Fridge Brilliance for this troper: Pitch's own Nightmares drag him away at the end, because they can smell his fear. Pitch is not the embodiment of fear, it's just how he gains his power.
* When they first showed Jack playing with Jamie and his friends, this troper couldn’t help but be a little bit shocked by how potentially dangerous a lot of the stuff he was doing was (prime example, Jamie’s sleigh ride through a busy street). I was with Bunny for a moment when he said that Jack was being a bit irresponsible and chaotic …but then I had a thought. Jack's the Guardian of FUN, and what’s ''fun'' isn't always what’s ''safe''.
** Which also might explain the reason the Man in the Moon wanted him to be a Guardian; having fun like that is laughing in the face of fear.
** Note that he also laughed in the face of fear earlier: When he turned [[spoiler: saving his sister into a game]], and laughed to show her there was nothing to worry about.
** It should be also mentioned that ''nothing'' ruins your fun more than someone getting hurt. So, you could say his FunPersonified status also allows him to make a "safety net".
** Which makes sense as Jamie is run over by the couch (losing his tooth) AFTER Jack had ended the sleigh ride and was standing there, but Jamie was fine diving head first into the snow at the statue's base a moment before.
* Jack seems to have two distinct abilities: the most obvious one is of course bringing ice and snow and manipulating it at will. However the second ability is arguably more important in his selection and place as Guardian. You'll notice whenever his snow and frost literally nips at anyone noses, [[GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul they suddenly feel happier and start to have fun almost subconsciously]]. It's never highlighted or even outright stated, but it goes all the way back to him being not only a boy who went out of his way to have fun with kids, but [[spoiler: did this to help save his sister at the cost of himself, and later he uses this to get Jamie and the kids to stand up to Pitch.]] The Man in the Moon no doubt saw his protectiveness of children (as Jack himself seemed to realize) and how he always wanted them to have a good time...and made him the appropriate Guardian to match.
* Interesting to note that the iconic lake that appears in the beginning of the movie also appears at the end [[spoiler: only this time, it can hold not only the weight of Jack and another child, but the rest of the guardians, the yetis, kids, eggheads, and even North's sleigh. There is the possibility that Jack keeps the lake completely frozen in winter, subconsciously, to stop any kids from sharing his watery fate.]]
* Bunny's statues are modeled after ''Easter'' Island heads.
** In the books, Bunnymund lived on Easter Island.
* Why does Jack seem to be at full power even when no one directly believes in him? Even when it's shown that the Guardians as a whole need the beliefs to sustain themselves. Well, perhaps he's more than that, perhaps unlike his fellow Guardians he is also unique in his position as a ''nature'' spirit (that of Winter), that he doesn't gain or lose power from belief- only his visibility.
** Additionally, it could be that Jack's powers stem from belief in winter (and everyone believes in that!) but like a normal spirit, he's only visible to those who believe in him.
* How is it that Jack can actually carry Jamie's little sister home when he's been intangible to every other little kid? Well, when you're ''that'' young, you can believe in ''anything.''
** Or he just carried her with his winds.
*** It could also be to do with the fact that she was ''asleep''. When you're having a strange dream, you go along with it, you don't even think about questioning it - people can believe in anything when they're asleep.
* Considering Pitch hadn't done anything to directly affect children's beliefs in him, how quickly North lost his believers doesn't make much sense beyond RuleOfDrama... Until you realize that with kids suddenly convinced there is no Sandman, Tooth Fairy, etc, they would have probably begun questioning whether other figures, such as Santa Claus, were real as well.
** There's also the fact that not believing in Santa is usually a shock for kids, and he's really the only one of the above figures they explicitly have to be told is not real when they grow up. So it must have been a major gut-punch for North.
** Also, without the Sandman, there is nothing to keep Pitch from giving every child in the world nightmares, and he used those bad dreams to erode their belief.
** "You should feel lucky you still have dream...instead of nightmares"
* The entrance to Pitch's lair is located under a bed.
** It's even a call back to the confrontation at the Tooth Palace. Pitch says he's sick of "hiding under beds", to which Bunny replies "Maybe that's where you belong!"
* Some people find it odd that Jack Frost doesn't show up in the first trailer for the movie since he's such a main character. But it makes sense if you remember that he started out invisible to humanity. Thus, not even the audience could see him at first.
** Note that in the trailer, any scene that should contain Jack (such as the sleigh ride,) Jack is instead replaced by Tooth. A step further, in Jack's first scene with Jamie, they're having plenty of fun... until Jamie loses a tooth, at which point Jack's "snowballs and funtimes" are replaced by excitement for the tooth fairy.
* Jack's entire appearance is a bit of Fridge- He looks like someone who's been out in the cold for too long.
** This can also be a bit disconcerting in several shots, especially when you find out more about him.
** Not just that, he also wears torn pants, an old hoodie, and no shoes- He looks like a homeless kid.
*** On the homeless kid note, pay attention to his outfit in the first scene, compared to the outfit for the rest of the movie. It changed. Somewhere between the 300 years he went from an old fashioned shirt and pants with a cloak, to hoodie and jeans.
*** Which is also FridgeBrilliance. North is still wearing pretty outdated clothes, as is Bunny. Jack's more in tune with the times.
* How is it if no one has believed in Jack Frost before the film, people like Jamie's mom know his name? The other Guardians and similar spirits have probably name dropped him to the people that believe in them.
** To a greater extent: Sandy is [[AllThereInTheManual the first Guardian]]. He probably put ''all'' of the Guardians in people's dreams.
* Jack's shocked expression at the end of the movie, [[spoiler: when he gets hugged by Jamie]] is the same as the one at the beginning of the movie [[spoiler:when the boy runs right through him]]
* If you look carefully, Sandman and Pitch's facial features, like the structure of their eyes (humans' eyes aren't that perpetually wide) subtly differs from the other humanoid Guardians. Both characters are [[spoiler: HumanoidAliens in the books.]]
* Just before we really see Pitch for the first time, Jack sees Sandman sending good dreams to the children. Jack touches one of the sand streams, causing a dolphin to dance around him. One might think that he's interrupted a child's dream, but consider this: [[spoiler:dolphins are often used to symbolize fun and playfulness, and Jack becomes the Guardian of Fun. The dreamsand foreshadowed Jack's nature using some creative symbolism.]] As for why Jack didn't fall asleep when he touched the dreamsand - ever hear of a daydream?
** It's also possible he didn't fall asleep because he touched it with his hand. The story behind the Sandman is that he sprinkles sand ''in your eyes'', and the scene in Jamie's room ends with everyone asleep after the ball of dreamsand hit them squarely in the face.
* Bunnymund's fear of getting in the sleigh makes sense when you realize he is the only Guardian that has absolutely no means to fly of his own.
* Its easy to miss, but there is a wonderful bit of foreshadowing for Jack's role as a Guardian when you look at the shape of his staff. Its the same shape as the stylized G that is the Guardians symbol.
* Jack is associated with a blue hexagon. Snowflakes, no matter their design, are always six-pointed.
** Well, not always. But six-pointed snowflakes are definitely the most well-known.
* In Pitch's flashback, once the Guardians have gained power and people no longer believe in him, his reaction to people not seeing him and walking through him is pretty much the same as Jack's experience with the village at the beginning of the film - another example of how the two are NotSoDifferent...
* At the end when Pitch realizes [[spoiler: his power is broken, he runs away in utter terror before the Guardians have even done anything.]] Well you know what else comes from fear? Cowardice.
** Or he may have been reacting to the prospect of [[spoiler:another period of painful isolation and the inability to influence the world, rather than fear of the Guardians themselves. Of course, that changes a few moments later.]]
* Look at Jamie. He's just supposed to be an average kid, even if he has a bit more belief in things. And it's somewhat shown with him having brown hair and eyes, which is seen as ordinary. However, [[spoiler: Jack and his sister both have brown hair and eyes.]] Since we never found out what happened to [[spoiler: Jack's sister]], what's to say that she wasn't his great, great, great, great, etc. Grandmother?
** I dunno, that's a pretty common color combination. Would still be awesome if it's true, though.
** This is a little WMG-y, but it's worth noting that, in the script,[[spoiler: Jack's sister is explicitly described as resembling Sophie.]]
* When Pitch's fearlings [[spoiler:grab him by the ankles and drag him through the forest into the hole where Jack found his lair, they pull him under the bed]] much like the monster under the bed you believed would try to grab your ankles and pull you under as a child.
* Jack gets along best with Santa because they're both winter guardians. Meanwhile, the Easter Bunny dislikes Jack because he kept it snowing through Easter, and spring is when the snow is supposed to melt away.
** The blizzard of '68. Easter 1968 was in mid April which might be too late for a good snowfall but the Easter 1868 was in March which is definitely still time for more snow (Especially in the northern States and Canada)
* Pitch's power is based on fear. As a result, he's strongest when he has complete control of the atmosphere, build-up, and pacing. Jack realizes that the best way to combat this is by breaking this up [[spoiler: with a laugh.]]
* The subplot about teeth and memories and Jack finding out who he was with his teeth is genius when you consider the following: How do the authorities [[spoiler: identify dead bodies]]? With dental records! Forensic scientists can [[SherlockScan tell you all lot about a person based on the state of their teeth]] - including [[spoiler: a probable cause of death.]]
* Bunnymund and North are kidnapping Jack and throwing him into a sack to take back to their HQ. [[TakeThat Doesn't that sound]] [[WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas familiar?]]
** North even says that he thought of throwing Jack into the sack, not Bunnymunde.
* Bunnymund directly stated Easter is a time of new beginnings; Jack became a Guardian the night after Easter.
* This mostly has to do with Jack's age (according to William Joyce), but recently I just found out that Peter Pan was based off of J. M. Barrie's older brother who [[spoiler: died in an ice-skating accident the day before he turned 14, and thus always stayed a young boy in his mother's mind.]] According to Joyce, Jack is 14 years old. Jack is an older brother. [[spoiler: He died in an ice-skating accident trying to save his sister.]] Jack was based off of the idea of Peter Pan with him being an immortal youth. I just find that really, really clever if that was done on purpose. Kudos to Joyce for that!
** Jack's antics in Jamie's bedroom after Jamie starts believing in him have definite echoes of Peter Pan's actions in the Darling bedroom.
* Why does the Man in the Moon choose Jack as the new Guardian? Because even the other Guardians need to remember how to have fun and be playful!
* The children losing faith in the Guardians after just one missed holiday bothered this troper until she realized that's why Pitch stole the teeth, so he had all the memories of the holidays that happened before.
** When the faeries open all the teeth caskets(returning the memories) they all start believing again, instantaneously.
* Why would Bunnymund have something against the Groundhog? The Groundhog decides on when spring starts and winter ends. Every time that rodent decides on three more weeks of winter, it must tick Bunnymund off.
** Which would mean 3 or more weeks of Jack Frost...and we all know how Bunny feels about Jack at first.
* Bunnymund explicitly states that Easter represents hope in the third act. Up until the point when the Guardians start preparations for Easter, they've managed to stay positive, even through losing belief and [[spoiler:Sandy's death]]. Immediately after Pitch's Nightmares [[spoiler:ruin Easter, they end up lashing out against Jack and acting negatively]]. It didn't click for this troper until a few viewings later when she realized that at this point, [[spoiler: ''they literally have lost hope''.]]
* Bunnymund says Easter is about new beginnings. This trooper isn't a religious person, but even I know about the story of [[JesusChrist what happened on]] [[BackFromTheDead the first Easter]].
* Bunny and Jack are constantly antagonistic, a bit much for just causing him some trouble one time. But then you notice they represent opposite seasons and it begins making more sense.
* Jack is apparently an Ice Elf, a type of fae. Jack also died. One popular belief about the origin of the fae was that they were the dead, or some subclass of the dead
* Reading the other Wiki's article on the Tooth Fairy. Particularly depictions of, the most common being a winged female, but also a man, a rabbit, a and mouse. All of those depictions were shown in the film.
* Jack is pale, creates cold winds wherever he goes, and can't be seen by most humans. [[spoiler:Just like a ghost.]]
* Bunnymund's dislike of Jack goes beyond whatever happened during the '68 Blizzard. Jack's power is either neutral to or supportive of every other Guardian's; only Easter is negatively impacted by cold and snow.
* Jack is [[AngstWhatAngst remarkably accepting]] of [[spoiler:how he died]], choosing to focus mostly on [[spoiler:how he saved his sister]]. Then again, that may be why the Man in the Moon chose him. Who better to be a guardian than a guy [[spoiler:who's not only willing to sacrifice his life for his little sister, but hold no bitterness over it]]?
* It took about five watches of the movie, but this troper finally realised why Pitch went after the tooth fairies, besides the memories of the teeth. Going after the tooth fairy is the quickest way to get rid of the kids belief in them. Like Tooth said, she works every single night. Bunnymund had a few days until his holiday, and North was months away. Sandy was the other quickest way, but he doesn't seem to have an established 'home' like the Tooth Palace. She was, essentially, the quickest and easiest target. Along with the memories the teeth held, it also held tactical importance to destroy children's belief as fast as Pitch could.
* [=DreamWorks=] had collaborated with Nickelodeon [[WesternAnimation/ThePenguinsOfMadagascar at least once]] prior to this movie. Maybe the hero's resemblance to WesternAnimation/DannyPhantom isn't entirely a coincidence.
[[folder: Fridge Horror ]]
* Tooth implies that the Guardians were all mortal before they became supernatural beings, and the movie implies that they turn into what they once were before they became immortal. So, if no one believes in them, not only do they lose their powers, they're now mortal. Then they could be killed off. No more Christmas or Easter.... ever.
** As grim as that thought is, [[spoiler: Sandy's death]] was actually much worse. No more North or Bunnymund...the world(at least the Christian world, anyhow) is a sadder place. Sandy dies and sleep goes away? ''Everyone--no matter what religion--dies''
*** Not sleep, ''dreams''. ''Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet'', anyone?
** Not necessarily. Winter was still happening before Jack even existed, so presumably the holidays themselves would still happen - they would just be missing something. And if the guardians never did come back, the children's parents could still function in their place.
*** And the man in the moon could always find more guardians, as dark as it sounds.
* Anyone who has read the books knows that Pitch's main Mooks in the series are the fearlings, which are notably absent from the movie, using the Nightmares instead. This is all well and good, at least until Pitch [[spoiler:tries to attack Jamie, the last Believer. When he cannot stop Jamie from believing, he tells the Guardians that "There are other ways to snuff out the light". At the end as well, Pitch attacks Jamie, but fails due to being intangible; in both instances it seems that Pitch intends to turn Jamie into a fearling, just as he has turned other children in the past, and intended to do to Tsar Lunar (Man in the Moon) and Katherine (Mother Goose).]]
** [[MurderIsTheBestSolution There are even easier ways of snuffing out a light.]] And, having not read the books, that's actually what I thought he was going for.
* It's easy to get caught up in feeling horrible for Jack when you find out about his back story (And really you should, the poor guy), but then you remember that his poor little sister [[spoiler: watched her big brother drown after he saved her life, and had to live the rest of her life with that.]]
* Why does Jack of all the Guardians have the inability to remember his past life? Did the Man in the Moon take the memories away? [[spoiler:Maybe because he'd have been distracted from the knowledge that he's dead and his family is still alive if he had them, until many years later when it wouldn't matter?]]
** Maybe because he's the only one who [[spoiler: died]] before becoming a guardian. According to the books, three of the other four Guardians were never human in the first place and North, while human, is also a wizard and gained his powers without going through what Jack did. MIM might not have done anything, Jack's memories might have just slipped away with [[spoiler:his life]]. Mind you, supplementary materials have proven that the book and movie-verses might not match up, but until proven otherwise it's a theory.
** [[spoiler: Going with the idea that the Man in the Moon did erase his memories, it kind of makes sense. Jack wouldn't just be distracted; think about how focused he is throughout the movie on the idea of family. It would be ''incredibly'' painful for him to be around his family and see them grieving while being unable to touch or talk to them.]]
* [[spoiler: If Jack was physically hurt by Pitch breaking his staff to the point that he couldn't even react to him throwing Jack against a glacier... And Pitch just snapped it quickly and easily... What if he hadn't been that humane - as if it wasn't already awful - and broke that staff more slowly? Considering how Jack completely doubled over, it becomes a scenario that is way too easy to get a mental image of... ]]
** Brrr...At the time of this posting, I haven't seen the movie and yet that is Grade-A NightmareFuel.
* So...[[spoiler:Sandy came back to life because the children regained their belief in him and the other guardians. What's to stop Pitch from coming back if a future generation of children are told by their parents "Watch out for the Boogeyman" and they start to fear him again?]]
** Well, considering his whole gripe with the Guardians was that they were getting more belief than him...
** Pitch makes it clear that this is EXACTLY what he's counting on. He says it himself "There will always be fear"
** [[YouShouldKnowThisAlready Then the Guardians will be there to stop him again.]]
* Uh, those little eggs the Easter Bunny has? They walk on their own and seem to know where to go. So, are they sentient, or...? I mean, most people eat the Easter eggs they collect.
** Looks more like they've been simply enchanted by Bunnymund to be able to get to where they need to go, no more than that. He even explicitly notes at one point that his gifts actually expire, so he seems to be expecting them to be cracked open.
* While it doesn't have much basis, [[spoiler: we don't have any proof that Jack's sister got home... ]] Naturally one would assume she did, but she was clearly several years younger than [[spoiler: Jack]] and their house was nowhere in sight during the [[spoiler: pond scene,]] and we never figured out what happened to her... [[spoiler: if you were a young child who just saw your big brother fall through the ice and drown, would you not react by running in whatever direction seemed vaguely correct for help?]] This troper has had experience with blind panic, even at a more capable age, and could only think to RUN. [[spoiler: the situation was not near so dire as Jack's sister's.]]
** In the scene [[spoiler: where Jack tells his mother that they'll be careful]], the pond appears to be visible from the front door.
** The Rise of the Guardians facebook page has a post telling people to watch for Jack's sister in the opening village scene[[spoiler: She's talking to a man next to a fire]]
* Jack finds out who he is, [[spoiler: becomes a Guardian, gets his first human contact in 300 years]] etc. But what happens when the euphoria wears off and he realizes [[spoiler: his sister, not to mention the rest of his family, has been long dead for years, and he never got the chance to see her grow up?]]
** Either the guardians are the only people who experience life after death, or Jack's sister and the rest of his family are in Heaven (or afterlife of some sort) and he doesn't get to be with them because he became Jack Frost instead of going to the afterlife.
* What was Pitch going to do with Baby Tooth [[YouSaidYouWouldLetThemGo after Jack gave up the staff]]? He ''could'' have just been planning to throw her in with her sisters, but since Jack obviously has a bond with that particular fairy, how to we know Pitch wasn't going to do something much worse to her just to get at Jack?
* Pitch and Bunny are both frightened by the experience of becoming invisible to ordinary people. Now imagine what Jack must have gone through during those 300 years of only being able to interact with other spirits, associates of guardians, and guardians themselves (who are friendly but very busy at best). While the moon, the only one who has any answers, is always there but refuses to communicate with you.
* The fairies look like like tiny versions of Tooth, and Jack calls one of them "Baby Tooth". Could...could they be her ''children''?! That would put [[HarsherInHindsight a whole new spin on]] her panic when Pitch kidnaps them...
* It seems almost kind that Jack lost his memories - it would have been horrible for him to see [[spoiler: his friends and family - everyone he ever knew - age and die, while he watched but was unable to communicate]].
* When the fairies retrieve the teeth, we see a little girl whose face lights up as if she is remembering something. Since the teeth contain a person's best childhood memories, did Pitch remove those memories when he stole the teeth?
* Every Guardian and would-be Guardian (ie, any other fantasy creature representing a holiday or any special day or event) was once mortal. Bunnymund shows that [[spoiler:when children no longer believe in him, he turns into a cute little bunny. .....maybe ''he was'' a normal rabbit before the Man in the Moon got to him, and for whatever reason, Manny saw something special in that ordinary rabbit! ..... maybe all Guardians ''turn a little back into what they used to be before they became bestowed with Manny's blessing'' once children no longer believe in them!]]
** That [[FridgeHorror rather disturbingly]] implies that, now that he's a Guardian, if children stop believing in Jack again he will turn into a drowned-and-frozen corpse.
*** No, it just implies that Jack will turn back into a normal boy. If they're going to turn into what they were in their past life, then it doesn't involve their death. So, to me, North would turn back into a crippled old man, Tooth was a very eccentric dentist (or just a really eccentric person), and Pitch was an extremely creepy person. I'm not sure about the Sandman, though...
*** Before becoming Guardians North was a Cossack bandit; Tooth was the last of a WingedHumanoid race called the Sisters of Flight; Bunnymund was the last of the pookas, an alien brotherhood of warriors (think sort of TimeLord rabbit); Sandy was the pilot of a crash-landed Wishing Star; and Pitch was General Kozmotis Pitchiner, greatest hero of the Golden Age. It's all in the books.
*** Even if they just turn back to what they were before they were chosen, judging from what we see in the flashback, several hours at least pass between Jack falling into the pond and being chosen by Manny. In other words, ''by the time he was chosen he was already dead.''
** I'd like to strongly advise those individuals that are posting here to actually read the books this movie is a ''continuation'' of.
*** Although YMMV on whether they're in the same canon, considering the differences. It's up to the individual to decide.
* Jack's main place of dwelling seems to be [[spoiler: his old hometown]]. This would imply that Jack was around ''[[spoiler: as his family was alive]]'' and simply couldn't remember them, losing his chance to give them any kind of closure.
* Pitch's fate at the end of the movie becomes this if you've read/ go on to read the books because... [[spoiler: Pitch became the boogeyman by having his soul devoured by fearlings]]. Worse yet, the Guardians just sit back and watch before moving on to their victory scene.
** Those were nightmares, not fearlings, so I'm not sure what your point is. They're not going to devour his soul, not that he even has one if the fearlings ate it.
* A bit of Fridge Logic as well. The Guardian's plan from the very begining was to kidnap Jack and initiate him at the North Pole. Right then and there! That sounds perfectly fine until Pitch tells us if enough kids stop believing "all their palace and powers go away and little by little, so do they." Keeping in mind by this point Jack still has a grand total of ZERO believers, so if he agreed to become a Guardian from the get go he would either a) fade out of existence, or b) drained of his powers. Either outcome, the Guardians would have essentially handed the world to Pitch on a silver platter.
** Presumably there's a grace period, or the Man in the Moon would sustain him for a while, or something like that. Otherwise, there could never be ''any'' Guardians at all. After all, nobody believed in "Santa Claus" before North was chosen.
* Cultures change, and beliefs and legends change with them. If, hundreds of years from now, there is a culture in place that doesn't celebrate Christmas or Easter, or any of our traditions, what will happen to the guardians?
** Well, there are usually at least a ''few'' people who believe any legend, even if the rest of the culture has forgotten it. And the children who actually saw the Guardians in action will have definitive proof that they are real, which they'll pass on to their children, and their grandchildren, and so on; thus, the Guardians will probably always have at least a few believers.
* The scene when Pitch is dancing on the globe, putting out the lights of children with his feet... is he ''killing those kids by stomping on them!?''
** No. Otherwise, he would have just stomped on Jamie's light, and the [[TheBadGuyWins the movie would have been over]]. Rather, his [[IKnowWhatYouFear knowledge of what the children fear]] means he knows when they're about to give up hope, and he was just [[LargeHam being theatrical about it]].
* In some Mythology The Boogieman is called "The Bagman", who would kidnap misbehaving children...What did Pitch keep in those cages before the tooth faires?
* Regarding the Blizzard of '68, 94 people died as a result. Let that sink in for a moment.
** They may have meant a different '68. All of these characters are centuries old, after all.
*** Or Jack wasn't at fault for the deaths. Winter comes with or without Jack, after all, since he died in winter. The Blizzard may have not been his responsibility, but the finer details of it, such as freezing all the eggs and whatnot, ''was'' Jack's fault. He may have helped make the blizzard worse, but it's possible he wasn't the full-on cause.
* In Jack's backstory, it's shown that [[spoiler:the last person Jack saw before falling through the ice in the pond and drowning was his sister]]. [[spoiler:Because she has no idea that Jack became Jack Frost, this means that she probably went through ''the rest of her life'' haunted by the belief that she was the cause for her brother's death]].
* So what's it like being a Guardian to children who don't live happy suburban middle-class lives? Say, kids in the streets? Hospitals? ''Concentration camps?''
** You get to be the hope in their lives.
* Why is Sandy so much more powerful than the other Guardians? Because people believe a lot of crazy stuff about dreams, not just kids.
[[folder: Fridge Logic ]]
* If there are Tooth Mice, why was Tooth acting as if there was absolutely no one to help her collect teeth other than the tooth fairies?
** Well, short of RuleOfDrama and RuleOfFunny, it looks like they wrote a hole there, but if you stretch a bit- one could say that since they're explicitly European Division and she very has an Asian thematic about her, although they serve the same purpose (a coalition of tooth gathering beings perhaps?) they draw their strength and belief from different regions of the world. As opposed to North who although is recognized the world over by different people, they're only different names for the same being.
** There is no real border between the continents,possibly allowing overlap.
* Okay, so teeth contain precious childhood memories, which Tooth and her fairies keep safe. But then, how did Jack's contain the memory of [[spoiler:his death]] when that clearly happened years after he lost his last baby tooth?
** Maybe the few memories in the teeth jogged the rest of his memory?
*** Supporting that, perhaps the teeth she collects, become a sort of a deposit box for your most important memories in general not actually just the ones from your childhood after they come into her possession. Kind of like a psychic link in a way, they can help jog memories you've lost even if they were well beyond when you lost all your baby teeth.
** Alternate theory: Jack lost some teeth when he fell underwater. The tooth fairies are ''exceptionally'' dedicated.
** Maybe Jack still had a baby tooth when he died, one that just hadn't fallen out yet.
* If Jaime is the last light, then what happened to Sophie's belief after a few hours of visiting the Warren?
** I bring this up because it makes no sense and the only reason I can think of is that the film makers really wanted to push the message across, that as long as ONE child still believes the guardians will be there to protect them. The only other reason I can think of is that since Jaime and Sophie are only one room apart, their lights overlapped on the globe and Pitch just assumed it was from a single child rather than two.
** Someone had a theory that for Sophie, because she is so young, she does not explicitly "believe" in the Guardians - she knows they are real. She doesn't need faith (as the other, older children did) because she takes their existence as a fact.
*** She is just a toddler. Are two-year-olds psychologically developed enough to even understand the concept of 'not real'?
*** Kids learn to actively lie between 2 and 4. So, yes.
** Jamie is a bit old to be the ONLY kid that still believes. It usually takes a lot more than one missed Easter to convince littler kids there's no Easter bunny.
*** Old? He's still losing baby teeth, he can't be that old. The script says he's eight. And I don't know what kids you've been around, but having Easter just not happen is kind of a massive thing, especially from their point of view and ''especially'' if their parents have no explanation for how it happened. Which they wouldn't, given the circumstances.
* Jack not two minutes ago admits that he's invisible to Sophie, but then volunteers to bring her home. He should not be able to touch her, let alone pick her up and at no point do the other guardians point out this little plot hole.
** He can control wind, remember? It's how he flies; it makes sense that he could carry someone else with it.
** Could be he was just making a joke and teasing the other Guardians for their inability to deal with a child face to face.
** I thought about how he might've been able to do this, and I think it's because Sophie was asleep. People will believe anything when they're asleep.
* I've seen the movie four times. I ''still'' don't get how the kids brought Sandy back to life.
** ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve, essentially.
** May I offer an alternate suggestion? Though I have no proof, it seems to make sense thematically - If Pitch draws his power from fear/nightmares, then Sandy draws on dreams. Not just hallucination-at-night dreams, but also hopes, goals, and defiance of fear. Sandy, upon [[spoiler:being consumed by nightmare sand,]] doesn't entirely give in to fear (he turns to give Pitch a defiant look.) In the books, when Sandy's down, he retreats into his own dreams; maybe after Pitch's attack, he retreated into someone else's? Keep in mind: who was the last person that Sandy put to sleep? Who was the last person who was still having dreams even as all his friends were plagued by nightmares? And who was the one who exclaimed, "Guys, I think I know what to do!" just before Sandy returned? [[spoiler:I think Sandy hid in Jamie's dreams, and was able to re-emerge because Jamie and his friends defied fear and doubt, and believed they could bring him back - and both in the movie and the books, a child's belief is everything.]]
** Note that Pitch says that the Nightmares were created out of Sandy's dream sand. It looks like Sandy himself is made out of the same sand, so when Pitch [[spoiler:hit him with the nightmare arrow, he was actually turning Sandy into more Nightmares.]] The kids touching the Nightmares at the end [[spoiler:removed the nightmare from the sand, letting it turn back to Sandy.]]
* If the guardians so rarely interact with children, why does it matter if they can or can't see them. The ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve doesn't cover that particular grief.
** Because they had taken for granted the fact that the children ''could'' see and hear them. Jack even demonstrates this in the Easter Bunny's lair. It's one thing to choose not to do something often, and another entirely to be ''unable'' to.
* At the end of the movie, the kids don't believe in Pitch, as shown by them running right through them. ...Except ten minutes ago he was leading a nightmare army to destroy the Guardians right in front of them.
** Pitch's abilities seem to rely more on fear than belief. Since the kids aren't afraid of him anymore, they can't see him.
*** To go along with this, I think you have to have the right feelings for the Guardian, not just some feelings. I don't think a kid tired of Christmas or scared of Easter are going to help North and Bunnymund any.
** Alternatively, in this context "belief" may not mean "I am aware of your existence", but "I trust that you have the power to [whatever]".
* Pitch is the Boogyman, with the entrance of his lair even being under an old bed. Creepy right? Well, what if, as a kid, you didn't have a space under your bed? As in, "under the bed" was a few drawers. Kids like that were never afraid of monsters under their bed, and since these beds are rather common, it makes it a lot harder for Pitch to scare some kids.
** The under the bed thing is just an expression. Pitch's power outside of the corrupted dream sand is shadows. Where ever a shadow is cast, there he is.
** [[WesternAnimation/MonstersInc In the closet]] is also a popular version, and most kids have closets in their room.
* Okay, so by the end of the movie, the Guardians have restored belief to the small suburban neighborhood. Great. What about the entire rest of the earth?
** Notice the moment the kids stand up to Pitch and start to reverse his Nightmares, the guardians' power returns. Tooth starts flying, North regains his strength, Bunny returns to his normal size. The reason for this may be the diminished power that Pitch had, or the kids spreading good dreams around the area increasing belief, or maybe both. The really important part however, is that Jamie somehow figures out that they need to resurrect the Sandman. Once he's back, pay attention. He spreads dreams all across the world and lights up the globe almost immediately. Both this and his incapacitation of Pitch (as well as specifically shown dreams of the tooth fairy) get the baby teeth flying again. They're then shown activating all the teeth, restoring children's memories of their belief and further spreading it across the globe. So in truth, they actually did bring back belief across the world by the end of the movie.
* If the Guardians are responsible for things like taking teeth and leaving money/hiding eggs before Easter/leaving presents at Christmas, then what are all the kids' parents doing? Surely the adults would still do things like buy presents for their kids at Christmas, or create Easter Egg hunts, right? Does this imply that adults are aware of the Guardians' existence? Speaking of Easter Egg hunts in particular, the Easter Bunny did not organize the event in Burgess. Presumably, the adults in the town organized the event. In that case, wouldn't they have hidden their own eggs for the kids to find? They must have, otherwise the whole thing would have just been them putting up a banner and nothing else.
** A bit WMGy, but it could be that they are completely aware of the guardian's existence, but that the belief of adults becomes divorced from the Guardian's centre- they know that the Easter Bunny exists in the same way that Gravity exists, but that they've lost the innocent purity of a child's belief that links it to hope unthinkingly (a good way to explain this is that an adult would see the Easter Bunny and simply treat it as proof of existence in the same way that seeing a flower proves it exists, whereas a child sees him and treat it as proof that all of the values he represents exist in the world as well). This belief in the existence, but not the substance, would be why none of the guardians actually cease existing with the loss of belief, and why the fact that the adults keep referring to Jack Frost isn't enough for him to become visible.
** Alternatively, the Guardians' world has a particularly intense WeirdnessCensor for non-believers. We were already shown that people cannot see or interact with an AnthropomorphicPersonification they don't believe in. In addition, the WeirdnessCensor may ensure that non-believers come up with a non-magical explanation for their actions. Parents “remember” purchasing the gifts from North, or hiding the eggs, or replacing their children's lost teeth with quarters, but “forget” to actually purchase the gifts, eggs, etc., the following year. This actually makes a lot of sense considering that the Guardians exist to combat Pitch and his fear. If you woke up to find that someone broke into your home to leave presents, or worse, [[AdultFear broke into your child's bedroom]] to exchange lost teeth for coins, and you didn't have a complete, childlike belief in this entity's benevolence, that would be pretty darn terrifying. There has to be some type of failsafe to prevent belief in the Guardians from transforming into fear of them, or they'd just be handing Pitch an additional weapon.
* Kind of a missed opportunity, but we see so many people walk right through Jack; it would have been a perfect additional detail to have them shiver just a bit when they did it, or say "brr", like walking through a cold spot, or feeling a sudden chill breeze.
** That would have allowed him to get people to believe in him long before the movie even started. Within the first ten years at the most of him becoming Jack Frost.
* Okay, more I watch Jack's memories scene, more I wonder if Pitch wasn't responsible of [[spoiler:Jack's death.]] If you think about it, the opening scene of the movie shows Jack saying "it's dark, it's cold, I was scared". That is a kind of reference of the Antarctica scene, when Pitch is saying "what goes together better than cold and dark?". Furthermore, [[spoiler:when Jack and his sister were trapped on the thin ice, Jack's sister repeated "I'm scared."]] in the same way as Jamie said "Jack, I'm scared" when Pitch came for him. So could that mean that Pitch was here when [[spoiler:Jack fell into the ice, and may have caused his death because Jack turned fear into a game.]] During the sequence where Pitch is talking about Dark Ages, you can notice he is in the same village as Jack is.
* Nothing against Hugh Jackman's performance, but isn't it weird to have the Easter Bunny be Australian? For two reasons: 1) The Easter Bunny isn't all that popular a symbol in Australia due to rabbits being a very troublesome invasive species. Many Australians change him to the Easter Bilby in order to stop celebrating an ecological and agricultural pest. 2) Bunny's mission is to bring hope in the springtime...but in the Southern Hemisphere, Easter comes in the fall. It just makes for an awkward characterization choice.
** For what it's worth, the second point would be true whoever plays the Bunny, given all the spring-connotations Easter traditionally has.
** I've lived in Australia my whole life (in fact, I've never even left the country) and I have no idea what you're talking about. Where I live, at least, the Easter bunny is a popular symbol. Furthermore, the only reference I have ever seen to the Easter bilby is that you can buy a chocolate one at the supermarket, which now that I think about, I don't even remember seeing that this year.
** I've read the Easter Bilby was mostly created to raise awareness of the endangered bilby, not just because of the bunny issue (though that did play a factor).
** Another Australian here, and to be honest, it might as well be springtime when Easter happens, they basically treat the holiday like it is. With Christmas at least, it's about a half half split between winter themed and summer themed things, but with Easter there is practically only spring-related things. Flowers, bunnies, etc.
** Also, to answer your question, presumably because the pun was too good to pass up. Australia is known as "down under" and he lives in a warren down under the ground.
** The reason he speaks with an Australian accent is because, according to the books and the author, Australia is his favorite continent. Which he also created. Because he can.