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* Dragon Ball Super now established that a Potara fusion used by mortal beings only has a time limit of one hour at most. The only thing that allowed Vegetto to retain his sentience and power despite being turned into a candy was his Potara-enabled power. What if the hour had run out -before- Buu reverted him to a human??
* Near the end of the show, [[spoiler:Super Buu uses the human extinction attack to kill pretty much every Earthling who isn't on the lookout.]] ''Manga/DrSlump'' shares the same world as ''Dragon Ball''. [[spoiler:Sure, everyone was brought back later but Arale, her fairies, and Dr. Slump might have been suddenly killed in front of each other by mysterious energy beams.]] That would be incredibly traumatic, especially if [[spoiler:Dr. Slump had to essentially watch his daughter die a second time and she probably hasn't aged considering she's a robot. Would she even be brought back by the Dragon Balls? Then again, considering that she made an appearance in ''Dragon Ball Super'', it's safe to say that she's alive and well.]]
* I used to think the heart virus Goku contracted during the Android saga, the one that killed him in Future Trunk's time, was just a regular heart virus. Then I got to thinking. Goku isn't a normal human. He's a Saiyan, a ''Super Saiyan'', a guy that knocked Frieza out in minutes. And this super elite warrior was taken down by a heart virus? Just how ''nasty'' was this virus, because I doubt he would've fallen if it were a regular virus found on Earth. What if he had contracted a deadly alien disease while he was in space, one that attacks the heart and is unlike anything found on Earth? That would explain why there wasn't a cure for the virus Goku got, not until Future Trunks gave such a cure to him. Had it been an Earth-born virus, Goku probably wouldn't even have noticed it.
** Nope. Regular old virus. Having a lot of ki protects you from things that hit hard, and to a much, much lesser extent, heat. It doesn't protect from anything else. And saiyan biology is nearly identical to human biology, so there is no reason Goku would be immune, or even especially resistant, to a disease that is deadly to humans. Not to mention that in the entire series, Goku is the only character to ever get sick. There is also the matter of the different timing of the sickness in the two timelines. In the future timeline, he got sick shortly after returning to Earth, but in the present timeline, he got sick 3 years later. Since viruses have very consistent incubation periods, that means he had to contract the virus on Earth, because he had no alien contact after he got back.
** You make a number of excellent points, but one thing I wanted to point out is that some viruses become dormant for extended periods of time, only to "trigger" later. Taking into account time travel resulting in alternate timelines and thus numerous variations and how some viruses are fully capable of immediate infection and prolonged, lysogenic-cycle dormancy, it is possible that the virus was extra-terrestrial.
*** If you assume that what triggered the virus was fighting for a long time in Super Saiyan form, Goku fought Frieza in Trunk's timeline but didn't in this timeline, and the virus only activated after Goku went Super Saiyan and fought android 19 then the difference becomes an example of fridge brilliance.
** It actually make perfect sense that even a Super Saiyan can be brought down by an ordinary virus, because of how viruses work. Viruses are parasitic DNA that attach themselves to that of their hosts. No amount of strength can save you from that because in a sense the virus is a part of you. The only way to get rid of them is for the body's immune system to kill off the infected cells, indeed that's what causes the most damage. Not all viruses are malevolent, plenty are perfectly willing to just harmlessly ride along in their hosts DNA (some are even useful, a virus was likely responsible for the evolution of the mammalian placenta) but the body can't tell the difference. Goku was still just as vulnerable to the virus because it was causing him to be eaten alive by his own immune systems.
** Ah, I see, I see. Thanks for the clarification. I just assumed because Goku was a Saiyan, he was immuned to Earth-borne diseases and viruses.
** Actually, going by JacoTheGalacticPatrolman, Saiyans and humans are quite different biologically. Jaco has an extinction bomb that would kill all the humans on Earth, and only the humans. When Jaco was explaining about the Saiyans he said that an extinction bomb had no effect of them, meaning they couldn't developed a virus that would wipe them out, despite making a virus that could kill humans. Meaning that Goku could be immune to most Earth-borne viruses. Not to say that there's no crossovers like how there are viruses that can infect multiple species.
** It's implied that he may have gotten the virus from Yardrat. The indigenous aliens there nursed him back to health, so they no doubt were exposed to his open wounds from his fight with Freiza and he was in turn exposed to a virus that Yardrati were either immune to or knew how to fight. In fact, what's to say that the methods they used to heal him - methods almost certainly devised with Yardrati physiology in mind, were exactly the thing that made him sick?
*** Which, if true, this would make Goku PatientZero for a virus that would go on to kill humans for 2 decades before a cure was found. Meaning Goku unintentionally kills some of the people that he tries so hard to protect.
* According to [[WordofGod Akira Toriyama]] after the cell saga Android 17 got married had/adopted kids and worked on a nature preserve stopping poachers and that's adorable. So what happened to that loving family of his when he becomes evil and is more than willing to kill his own niece and sister?
** The same author also said that GT is a WhatIf universe, and even stated outright that due to the revelations and the level of power displayed in Super, GT has almost become an AlternateUniverse. So, nothing.
** Alternative universes still exist though, 17 would have still become a ranger and very likely had a family. That said, his family wasn't anywhere near him when the Super 17 fusion happen, so they'd probably be upset about losing a father/husband, but would not be harmed by him.
* Were it not for Goku, Gohan, or Future Trunks, the universe would easily have become an example of a CosmicHorrorStory. Think about it - you've got the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Saiyans]], which are capable of killing thousands without breaking a sweat, a conglomerate of immensely powerful aliens who employ the Saiyans that kill native populations for ''real estate purposes'', an Android that is even more powerful than ''that'', and you've got an AxCrazy, OmnicidalManiac obsessed with destroying planets that ''ate a god''. The kicker is that militias of the world are shown being completely inneffective against these threats.
** Even the galactic police are incapable of dealing with these monsters. Let this sink in for a minute: Before Frieza blew up Planet Vegeta, a highly advanced civilization tried to wipe out the Saiyans with a biological weapon because they were deemed too dangerous to live. The Saiyans gave the bio-weapon a NoSell, and the Saiyans in question were downright WEAK in comparison to these monsters, with even King Vegeta and his royal guard being effortlessly defeated by first-form Frieza.
*** Of course, the fact that a biological weapon explicitly intended to cause extinctions couldn't wipe out the Saiyans, but a virus that Goku came down with could kill even a Super Saiyan, makes you wonder just what that virus is. Maybe the Androids weren't really the ones responsible for nearly wiping out humanity in Trunk's time, but rather that virus that killed Goku.
*** They do mention having created a cure for that virus in Trunk's time, which is why Trunks was able to give him such a cure in the first place, so it probably was a dangerous virus that killed a lot of people if they bothered to go out of their way make a cure for it while a bunch of omnicidal androids were running around destroying entire cities. I'd say it's very likely that Saiyans long since developed some sort of super artificial immune system to protect their warriors and infants from most diseases they could potentially come across, as they would have been pretty useless for conquering planets otherwise. Perhaps it needs to be renewed every few years or something, thus Goku still gets infected with the heart virus and subsequently killed by it while the Saiyans back then would have still "had their shots" as it were, thus the extinction virus was useless.
* Remember that Cell came from the future where he killed Trunks in his time? As of ''Super'', there is literally ''no one'' who could stop Black Goku on his genocidal quest of "justice" in the timeline. But the upside is that Babidi and Dabura are screwed if they encountered him. Had Future Trunks not known about Cell and trained enough to kill him in his time, he wouldn't have stopped Babidi and Dabura considering what happened afterwards.
* Fusion is a bit a fridge horror depending on the circumstances. Now with Vegetto, Gogeta, and Gotenks the merges are depicted as harmonious. The Fused being in those cases view themselves as a separate entity from the original fusees. However, when Shin and Kibito fused as well as Shin's ancestor Kai and the witch it wasn't harmonious. Kibitoshin is essentially a taller Shin and the Elder Kai is simply that. What happened to Kibito and the witch?
** For Old Kai we aren't really shown what he or was like before their fusion, the 2 before and after fusing could be barely any different people for all we know. As for Kibito, from what we see of him it seems like he's pretty much Supreme Kai's sycophantic yes man, he does whatever Supreme Kai wants without question, so the idea that after being fused that Kibito would be taking anywhere near as much control over the fused body that Supreme Kai does is pretty ridiculous. In short, Kibito's probably still there, but he's content letting the Supreme Kai call the shots. It's probably the same reason why Kibito Kai doesn't use the fusion voice either, it's anyone's guess why Old Kai doesn't.
*** Makes sense, IIRC Kibito Kai is occasionally referred to as the Supreme Kai as well. It might just be Kibito's humility. Though it's strange that the two fused Kaioushin in the show are both depicted as dominant fusees.
*** It's entirely possible that because the Kais are so high above their fuse partners, that they ended up the dominant one in the mix.
* There is a problem from a {{Filler}} where Buu (after killing everyone on Earth and destroying the planet) also destroyed at least one other planet with intelligent life on it. Later, they wish Earth back into existence and then revive every good person killed by Buu. FridgeHorror when you realize all those Aliens who were brought back to life... only to be floating in space to die horribly again.
** Furthermore, there are all those islands Cell blew up when looking for 18. When the people inhabiting those islands were revived, they'd just reappear in the middle of the ocean, and presumably drown.
** When the others gathered the Dragon Balls after the Cell Games, they wished for everyone killed by Cell to come back to life... leaving all those killed before by Vegeta and Dr. Gero dead.
*** Though it might be debatable thanks to FridgeBrilliance. One of the wishes was to bring back those killed by Frieza and his men. Vegeta happened to be working with Frieza when he was killing people.
*** WebVideo/DragonBallZAbridged took this and ran with it, bringing Nappa back into the mix. If true, then the reason Nappa wasn't revived by the wish was because he WAS one of Frieza's men and therefore, didn't count when one of Frieza's men (Vegeta) killed him. Vegeta would be resurrected because he was no longer Frieza's guy when the wish was made, making this possible FridgeBrilliance.
* Some of the OVA movies are set in an alternate timeline, where Goku got to the battle with Vegeta and Nappa earlier so that none of the Z-Fighters died, and therefore they never made the trip to Namek. This means that nobody was around to stop Frieza, who presumably wiped out the remaining Namekians.
** But if none of the Z-Fighters died, they would have no reason to plan a trip to Namek, meaning Frieza never overheard their plans to go, meaning he never went there, either.
*** Actually, remember that when Raditz and Goku are killed by Piccolo, Piccolo tells a dying Raditz about the Dragon Balls. This is when Vegeta and Nappa (and Freeza) hear about the Earth's Dragon Balls. Despite the audience learning of Planet Namek having Dragon Balls during the Vegeta and Nappa fight, it's entirely possible that Freeza's intelligence knew of Planet Namek having Dragon Balls (after all, Vegeta had to learn of it from somewhere, too). So it's still all Raditz's fault.
** Still leaves Frieza with his galaxy-spanning empire where he's free to kill and destroy anyone he comes across, and might end up on Namek eventually anyway.
*** In all likelihood he'd just wipe them all out and not be able to summon Porunga since he can't speak Namekian, or slay Guru and render the balls inert. And of course Beerus would still decide to make Frieza his next target.
* Boss Rabbit was [[spoiler:left on the moon]] after he was defeated. A little later [[spoiler:Roshi blows up the moon, presumably with the rabbits still living on it]].
* What if Cell's lucky regeneration from his own self-destruction... Really wasn't luck? What if his self-destruction was actually designed to allow him to survive it? It's definitely possible if the intelligent computer had managed to get all of attributes to make use of it (Frieza's survivability, Piccolo's regeneration, the Saiyan zenkai...) and it wouldn't even be far-fetched if Doctor Gero did indeed want to have Cell blow up planets as a post-Goku goal, like Cell seems to think. Cell calling himself lucky for it could very well be a case of simply ''not knowing'' he can kill himself and revive for free (similar to how he seemed shocked Piccolo could regenerate at first, before doing it himself).If he was indeed designed to survive blowing himself up, then just imagine him blowing up planet after planet and getting a zenkai boost every. Single. Time... Doctor Gero might have created something with more potential than either Gohan or Buu...
* The Capsules. Ranging from practical (cars and house), to threatening (Launch being able to carry an entire armory of guns in her POCKET) to more horrific things like being able to hide dead bodies inside capsules (as Bulma does to Krillin after his [[spoiler:first]] death, and later [[spoiler: Master Roshi and Chiaotzu]]. If Bulma can easily place Krillin's body in a freezer capsule, turn the freezer into a capsule with HIM inside, you have to wonder how many potential unsolved murders there are. Presumably you could hide LIVING people inside a capsule. If not by simply pressing the button with them inside while they're alive, [[spoiler: killing them, placing the body in a capsule, shrinking the capsule, and then resurrecting them with the Dragon Balls, without taking the body out. Given the accessibility of capsules in-universe, this could be done just about ANY DAY of the week.]]
** Let's also consider the thought that not only could the capsules hold a ''living person,'' but ''multiple'' people. One person could carry an entire gang of armed soldiers into any place they want.
** What would happen if someone ''ate'' a capsule?
* In the Buu saga, Videl [[spoiler:''accidentally'' kicked an opponent's head so hard it snapped his neck]]. Now remember she's on the weak end of the cast, with even the little kids far exceeding her power. You start to realize just how much power these characters have and are holding back.
** This isn't as much of a shock when you remember that most of the characters have been able to cause an EarthShatteringKaboom three arcs ago.
* The filler before the Cell Games seem like SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments... until you realize that Goku's putting the entire fate of the world on his own son, who a) might not be able to gather up enough energy to destroy Cell, and b) ''might not even want to fight Cell''!! This, after he told everyone that even he would be utterly destroyed by Cell! He was really, really lucky Gohan was able to do both (a) and (b) otherwise the world would have been really, really screwed.
** Goku already knew long before they ever even fought that he was no match for Cell, otherwise Goku probably would have just beaten Cell himself and called it a day. His [[BatmanGambit Batman Gambit]] with Gohan was just a last ditch effort to win.
** But it was still reckless. How did he think Gohan could defeat Cell?
** Goku was expecting Gohan to go berserk like he always did when he got angry in the past and attack until Cell stopped moving. Goku implied going into the Room of Spirit and Time a second time wouldn't have given them the same results as their first trip, which explains why Vegeta and Trunks were still weaker than Goku and Gohan after their second trip into the room. Goku's plan is still reckless, but there was some logic to his reasoning.
** Goku knew that Gohan was powerful enough to beat Cell (see when Gohan snaps when Raditz attacks and his power level ''exceeds'' Raditz's own), it was just a matter of getting him to draw it out, which Gohan very nearly failed to do, and he nearly paid for it with his life (Gohan's inner power is seemingly awakened not by his own peril, but by the peril facing his friends and family, which explains why Cell nearly crushing him was not nearly effective as Cell going after the only friends he's ever known). When Piccolo points out that Gohan is NOT the BloodKnight that the full-blooded Saiyans are, Goku suitably has a MyGodWhatHaveIDone moment as he's watching Cell beat Gohan to death.
** If you go back and watch the episode in which Gohan becomes a Super Saiyan, Goku is going far too easy on Gohan, and not truly pushing his limits. When Gohan calls him out on this and demands that Goku test his limits, Goku obliges and Gohan becomes a Super Saiyan as a result. In Goku's mind (remember, Goku's not the most responsible parent), he is fulfilling Gohan's wish to be tested by letting him take on Cell alone. When you combine this though with the fact that, as far as Goku knows, Gohan's going to hit rage mode at any second, his decision makes a bit more sense.
* Goku begged Krillin to let Vegeta escape the Earth. Depending on which version you're watching, he did this either (1) because he is good-hearted and wasn't willing to let Krillin kill a helpless, defeated opponent; or (2) because he is so psychopathically self-absorbed that he was willing to jeopardize the lives of billions of people just so he could have the excitement of a rematch. Either way, he is essentially an accessory to genocide, given what Vegeta does on the planet Namek.
** Well, in his defense, he didn't know about Namek then, but you're right. Him letting Vegeta go effectively signed the potential death certificate of countless billions. Good thing Vegeta had a change of heart near the end of the Namek saga (well, after he had helped to commit genocide, that is)
** Even worse is that Vegeta recovered much sooner than Goku did thanks to the advanced medical equipment Vegeta had access to then. Vegeta was going to head right back to Earth until he heard Frieza went to Namek. If Frieza didn't learn about the Dragonballs, Goku would've doomed the Earth.
** Not necessarily. It took Vegeta about a month to reached the planet where he healed. So, it would take him another month to get back to Earth. He got to Namek so fast because the planet he was on was only a few hours away. By then, Goku would have healed and would have started training for Vegeta's return, they knew he would be back. Goku would have most likely done his training using the spaceship's gravity device, much like what he did on his way to Namek and he would have more than six days to grind, making him stronger than he was when he arrived on Namek. So, if anything, Vegata would have been the one most likely killed.
* When you ''really'' think about it, Goku (by Saiyan standards) is retarded.
** Well, hitting your soft, squishy baby head on something hard tends to have long-term effects well into adulthood.
** Consider how Goku is a tactical genius, despite being retarded and/or brain-damaged by Saiyan standards. Imagine what he'd be like if he ''wasn't''. (Yes, I know that it's entirely because he hit his head that he became kind-hearted enough to be pure good and unlock the power of the Super Saiyan. Just hypothesize about what he'd be like if he hadn't hit his head, but unlocked all the forms he gets in the series anyways. He'd pretty much be unstoppable.)
*** Being pure hearted had nothing to do with becoming a super saiyan. That's some dub crap. Also, Goku is a classic case of a savant. A serious head injury hinders him in day to day life, but gives him unmatched talent within a single, specific area (in his case, fighting). Had Goku not hit his head, he probably would have never been more than an average saiyan. Unless his brother is a good indication of his potential, in which case he'd be a low end elite.
*** Um No, it was in the original text in both the manga and the anime that a pure-heart was needed to become a Super Saiyan along with immense anger. It wasn't something the dub made up. There is also no evidence of Goku being a savant since he can function in everyday life like anyone else, but chose not to because he's content and sees no need to live like a regular person. He can learn fast, not just fighting, and understand the basic concept of social acceptance, like wearing cloths in public. Goku would still be a brilliance fighter with or without his head injury, but he may not have the pure heart needed to be a Super Saiyan, unless he's like Vegeta and have a heart of pure evil.
*** Actually, he cannot function in everyday life. He is shown repeatedly attempting to, only to fail. Consider every single farming scene in Dragon Ball Super, where Goku tries to be a functional member of society (albeit just for Chichi's sake) and consistently fails.
*** Yes, but that was because he was [[BrilliantButLazy bored and lazy]]. He ''intentionally'' performed his job as poorly as possible because it didn't interest him in the slightest. Remember back in Dragon Ball, Roshi had him plowing fields with his hands which he excelled at. Yet here he is years later using a tractor? Yeah, right. That's just lazy, Goku. Heck, even if you count the filler, Goku was capable of adapting to society. There was that episode where Goku failed his driving test, yet in the Cell Saga, we see Goku successfully driving a motor vehicle. So he's clearly capable of learning. He just isn't very book smart and isn't interested in trying unless he actually finds a reason to apply himself. Supposedly he finally learns to drive so that he and his family can enjoy something as simple as a country ride together without drawing attention to themselves. (Can Chi Chi even fly?)
* In the Buu arc the Supreme Kai casually explains that all the Supreme Kais could easily kill Frieza. This means that he not only knew who Frieza was, but how powerful he was. Basically, he allowed Frieza to destroy and enslave planets and races, fully aware that he could have stopped all of this, but decided not to do anything. The Supreme Kais did actually try to stop Buu, who was destroying the universe. Buu traveled to Other World in the anime and fought and killed the Kais. This means that the noble Kais only actually fought Buu to save their own skin and that they don't care about the mortal world at all. It would explain why the last Supreme Kai left Frieza do 'whatever he liked.'
** Almost makes you want to root for Buu, if he hadn't gone and destroyed the Earth first.
*** I always assumed the Kais operated under a policy of non-interference unless the fate of reality itself/the whole universe was at stake. With power like theirs, which is equally on the same level as Cell saga Gohan, they could quite accidentally cause more damage then they could prevent by descending from Otherworld to fight Freiza.
** ''Battle of Gods'' explains why the last Supreme Kai did not get involved: the Supreme Kais are gods of creation. Keeping in mind this, the last Supreme Kai being the least experienced one who was still learning the ropes when the others were slaughtered, and Beerus having destroyed who knows how many worlds just before that, he was simply too overworked recreating planets across the universe to come down for anything less than Majin Buu being brought back.
* Spopovich beating Videl to a pulp is bad enough on its own, but then you remember Gohan's traumatic childhood. He was probably having flashbacks to Nappa killing his friends. In light of that, it's a wonder he was able to contain his anger long enough to stop the match, rather than just going Super Saiyan 2 and killing Spopovich on the spot.
** On the topic of Gohan's traumatic childhood, Frieza's 2nd Form was about to kill Gohan in a similar way to how Spopovich was about to kill Videl (crushing their skull), so Gohan must have remembered that and wondered how that was like...
* Also on the topic of Spopovich, what would've happened if the Z-Fighters decided to take a break from the World Tournament (or if Videl never told Gohan)? Spopovich and Yamu would've murdered at least a few people (unless if they were up against the Supreme Kai or Kibito). What if the tournament pairings were different? Imagine if Hercule/Mr. Satan was up against Spopovich... not only would he have been exposed as a fraud... he probably wouldn't have lived to feel the humiliation.
* Gohan. No, seriously, Gohan is fridge horror embodied. It had been made extremely clear from the get go that he had this deep, untapped power hidden within him that is unleashed when he's in a fit of pure, unadulterated rage. When he finally became a [=SS2=], he becomes cold and borderline psychotic, wanting to torture Cell ForTheEvulz instead of just finishing him off. Ask yourself this, what would happen had Babadi found this in Gohan and decided to extract that out along with a power-up? An evil Majin Gohan with all his untapped rage hidden with him would have been absolutely terrifying. We're lucky it was Vegeta that became Majin...
** Except that Gohan still didn't have any evil in his heart. Sure, Gohan was psychotic at the time; but a mental imbalance does not prove one is evil. Vegeta had evil in his heart because all of the cruel acts he did for sport and the thrill of the hunt as he called it, and he did it for pleasure. Gohan, on the other hand, was blinded by rage towards Cell- since his super saiyan 2 form was triggered by his sheer emotional distress, and in the heat of his emotions, he fought Cell in what he felt was the most cathartic way; by making him suffer. This was much like how Goku wanted to slaughter Freiza when he first became a Super Saiyan.
** He's not evil, but remember, Babidi can take the slightest drop of darkness within someone's heart and make that person a slave. Although perhaps Gohan would've been more difficult to control than Vegeta (or even Piccolo) a Majin Gohan would certainly be a much more major threat given that- as stated above- he's mentally unstable. Spopovitch and Yamu weren't technically "evil" when they were controlled, Babidi just chose to exploit that one dark aspect of their hearts (Spopovitch's jealousy of Mr. Satan for example) and if he can take something as petty as ''jealousy'' and make a murderous servant out of it, then I'm pretty sure Gohan had potential to be a villain as well.
*** Gohan could ride the flying nimbus which specifically requires a pure heart. There isn't even a drop of bad in his blood. Majin Gohan would have been horrifying though.
*** In this setting, "Pure" does not mean "good". Pure good can exist, but pure means "unclouded". Goku is mostly good, but not pure good. He's capable of being selfish and vindictive. What he isn't is inherently malicious, deceptive, indecisive or self questioning. He's good because he doesn't seek to cause harm he himself wouldn't find deserving in reversal, but he's pure just through consistency with lack of ulterior motives. PureIsNotGood explains more.
*** Also keep in mind Babadi didn't immediately identify Vegeta as a viable target until Dabura pointed out, and even he did not immediately realize it. It is entirely possible Gohan's capacity for cruelty if angered enough would also make him a target, assuming of course said tendency wasn't driven out of him from the trauma of his father's death. And it definitely would have been harder to find, much less exploit, than Vegeta's purely selfish and resentful desire to be evil again.
* Dogs don't have a very long lifespan, so what will Good Buu do when Bee dies? How will he react?
** Assuming Bee died a natural death, and Buu still has Hercule, I imagine he'd just go through the usual grieving process anyone would when losing a pet. What made him snap the first time was (a) he had Evil Buu inside him and (b) it was the sudden bombardment of cruelty from, surprisingly, regular humans who attacked them twice, nearly killing both Bee and Hercule in the process.
* In Satan City, crime is apparently so rampant that Videl, a teenage girl, is called in because she's very good at martial arts. And while this could be just for plot convenience, Gohan comes across a crime almost every time he goes to school!
** Given that everyone in that verse has access to capsule that can contain an entire armory, a meca able to blow up town, and an exoskeleton that would make a Terminator blush and can basicaly become a space marine on super space steroids just by working out and meditating, it's actually more surprising that we don't see MORE crime, especially since the mondial army got slaughtered by Cell.
*** The soldiers were brought back to life. Their equipment however... Well, let's just hope they had spares laying around or could manufacture replacements quickly.
* From an outsiders perspective, it would look like Gohan had gotten Stockholm Syndrome after the Saiyan Saga. He was kidnapped by someone everyone knew to be evil, with the intention of using him to conquer the world. But a year later, Gohan comes back and tells everyone that he's now a good guy, and he wants to risk his life to go into space just to bring him back to life, without any evidence to confirm that Piccolo is good. No wonder Chi-Chi didn't want Gohan leaving!
** However, Krillin saw Piccolo die, so he could vouch for Gohan if no one believed him. Granted, they'll just think Piccolo only saved him because he was useful to Piccolo's 'world domination' plan.
** From what we, the audience, knows of the story, it's more likely that Piccolo had LimaSyndrome and had a legitimate HeelFaceTurn. From the Z-Fighters perspective, Piccolo's training WAS essential for Gohan's survival AND Gohan's involvement prevented Krillin from being killed (as well as the rest of the planet for that matter), so it's understandable that the Z-fighters would want to revive Piccolo as well as gratitude even if his initial intentions weren't pure. Plus, sacrificing his life for his "pawn" wasn't very out-of-character for Piccolo in the eyes of the Z-Fighters and showed them that Piccolo had changed for the better. Given that Gohan had no intention of carrying on Piccolo's "world domination" plan after the latter's death, it's also clear that he didn't taint the kid's mind. Even if Gohan was the stronger of the two, Piccolo's plan to save Gohan obviously wasn't to have Gohan finish his evil plan. Given ALL of that, their willingness to revive him makes sense especially since it's later confirmed by Grand Kai that Piccolo was deemed good enough to be allowed to train with him which is, by definition, a privilege that isn't given to those whose ultimate intentions are evil. Finally, it would be a HUGE stretch to consider the idea that Piccolo was planning to be resurrected by the Namakian Dragon Balls because of how much a GambitRoulette that would be. If that was the idea, it would have been easier to just let Gohan get killed so that Piccolo could resurrect Gohan with the Earth's Dragon Balls. All that being said, when Piccolo later claims that his plan to conquer the world in the Cell Saga instantly convinces Yamcha that he's a snake. It COULD be conceivable that people would see this claim as proof that Piccolo was only pretending to be an ally to lull them into a false sense of security, but then again, if that was true then Piccolo wouldn't have been: 1) deemed good by King Yemma, 2) he would have betrayed the group earlier, and 3) he definitely isn't stupid enough to start screaming about his true traitorous intentions. Krillin, correctly, prostrates that Piccolo is just invasive and hostile because he realizes that Piccolo just can't admit that he needs Kami's help.
* Roshi's perverted antics on ''Dragon Ball'' and ''Dragon Ball Z'' are played out for laughs, but then you stop and realize that this guy would secretly peep on your wife or teen daughter while she is showering in his house. He doesn't mind groping his ex-students' wives, Chi-Chi and Android 18. Plus, some of the females he flirted with were around 16.
* The manga states that Android 17 and 18 do not age. Since both are married and have families, this means that they will have no choice but to watch their loved ones [[TearJerker grow old and die before them.]]
** Some sources state that they do age, but very slowly, which means that they will survive their partners and maybe even their children before they finally die. Either way, very sad.
* Much of Gohan's screaming when he turned into an [=SSJ2=], was more painful than primal or powerful like his father would have sounded. This was because the scream was the last of his childhood innocence trying and failing to hold back his rage before letting go letting a more cold-hearted bloodthirsty side out.
* It occurred to me recently that a major theme of the show is actually summed up when Mr. Popo tells Yamcha that he should learn "that you are weak." Humility is the key to getting stronger. People who won't admit that they're not the best and ask for help can't advance. Vegeta is the prime example of this: a prodigy who constantly lags behind Goku because he won't ask anyone to teach him, while Goku picks up knowledge and technique from everyone he meets. This actually made Mr. Satan a much more interesting character: He's probably about as strong as Krillin was when Radditz arrived, and could learn ki attacks with a few lessons from his daughter or son-in-law... but, his pride keeps him from asking, leaving him stuck where he is...
** This is especially brilliant when you realize that if Vegeta had asked Goku to teach him instant transmission then the final flash against perfect cell probably would have killed him.
* The characters often opt for the Dragon Balls after cleaning up whatever mess the BigBad had caused, namely a death toll. However, remember that one little rule they had where someone can't be brought back more than once? It'd suck for someone to be brought back during, say, the Sayian attack and then killed during Cell's or Buu's... And while the Namekian Balls ''can'' bring people an infinite amount of times, it can only bring back people one at a time, three max before the balls become inactive for 130 days. Needless to say, some people can be staying dead for quite some time.
** Dende did upgrade the dragon balls to the point of eliminating the one year time limit for wishing people back, it's safe to say that he also removed the 'once per person' limit.
* One of Bulma's friends is Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman, whose job includes preventing ''any'' manipulation of time. While he's willing to bend the rules to save people (such as using an imperfect time machine to slow time for what someone inside the machine feels like 50 seconds so he'll be able to reach a falling spaceship, save the crew and kick it away where its explosion won't kill anyone), time travel is well beyond what he's allowed to tolerate. What's going to happen in the timelines where Future Trunks and Cell hail from when Jaco shows up?
** Asking Jaco about this will net this response, given that while it may be in his jurisdiction, he doesn't have the capacity to actually enforce it.
--> '''Jaco''': My official response is [[IllPretendIDidntHearThat I didn't see anything.]]
** There's one timeline where the only one stronger than Jaco left is Yajirobe, and he may not be around when he comes. Jaco is going to deal with the choice of [[ToBeLawfulOrGood arresting an old friend, that he respects enough he tried to get her to join the Patrol, or letting go a criminal who broke one of the most important laws while he can do something about that]].
* The character Beerus seems terrifying if you think about it. You have to walk on eggshells around this guy. If he dislikes an alien's food, his planet gets blown up.
* Goku and Chi-Chi's marriage is kinda disturbing and depressing at the same time. According to Akira, Goku only see his wife and his sons as his companions. Chi-Chi is possibly married to a guy who doesn't love her romantically. Goku only married her because of a promise he made. He does seem to care about her, but it seems more like a friendship type of love.
* Buu giving sight to Tommy the blind kid is heartwarming and all, but slight thing about the blind at birth types who are given sight. They tend to go '''mad'''. Yeah, Dragon Ball Online may have said he had came out okay, but how canon is that anyway?

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* The romance between Vegeta and Bulma might look very unlikely from any logical standpoint at first glance, but makes sense when you consider some relevant elements of both characters. Bulma from the very first arc of the original series was shown as a very vain, flirty woman, who always swoons over handsome guys, but that a the same time, goes into jealousy rages with alarming frequency. Her on and off relationship with Yamcha precisely never seem to take off because Bulma gets jealous of any female interaction Yamcha displays. Now enter Vegeta, for most of the series the guy is just obsessed with surpassing Goku and doesn't care at all about anything else, less of all women. In practice, Vegeta could be in front of ANY earthling woman no matter how beautiful and he wouldn't care less about her, which in turn, makes him the ideal man in Bulma eyes since he will never, for any reason will look at other women. Future Trunks description about how Bulma and Yamcha broke up also fits with this, he says (because his mother told him most likely) that Yamcha was too promiscuous, but we never see the poor guy going with multiple women or anything like that, the brilliance being that in Bulma's eyes, even talking to some other woman was actting "promiscuous" something that Yamcha and every other man in the planet would do by sheer nature...but Vegeta would most likely never do. In the end, the prince of the saiyan was the only male fitting for Bulma (and perhaps well, Goku as she muses a couple of times, but he was already taken).
* When Vegeta says he's "known stronger houseplants" than Hercule Satan at first it sounds like typical Vegeta talk, but remember Vegeta was held in bondage by Frieza nearly his whole life. During that time he conquered thousands of planets and killed entire civilizations so ''maybe'' there ''was'' a planet whose populace had some form of plantlife to safeguard their homes.
** Or maybe he actually fought PlantPeople who managed to put up a decent fight.
** This is from the Bardock special so it's place in cannon is dubious, but wasn't Vegeta (the planet) known as Plant before the Saiyans came?
*** Oh, the Bardock special is ''definitely'' canon as its events are referenced several times in the anime proper. (The special where Bardock survives, time travels and turns Super Saiyan, on the other hand...)
** One word. ''Saibamen''. (And he's more than likely right; a human with standard human-level martial arts training probably tops out in the 100s somewhere. Saibamen were as strong as Raditz was upon his arrival on Earth: power level of '''1200.''')
* This troper hasn't seen DBZ in a while so please forgive any mistakes. If this troper recalls, 16 wasn't able to be wished back for whatever reason, perhaps because he was pure machine. Does this imply that he's soulless? Because if he could think, and feel, what makes his physiology any different from any of the aliens we saw in Other World? Does this mean 16 was only simulating the emotions according to glitchy programming, rather than experiencing them on the same spectrum as a human? Really makes this more Fridge Depression rather than Fridge Horror.
** It's not canon but, one of the [[GuideDangIt guidebooks]] says #16 was revived, and he went to live with #8. From a canon perspective, though, #16 wasn't revived simply because he wasn't alive to begin with. The gang specifically wished for all those ''killed'' by Cell to be revived, but #16, not being alive in the first place, was never killed by Cell. He would have been revived by a wish to restore everything destroyed by Cell, though, if they had thought to fix all the property damage Cell caused instead of removing some bombs that [[IdiotBall Bulma could have taken care of anyway.]]
* When Vegeta says that he succeeded in having becoming a Super Saiyan because [[PureIsNotGood his heart is pure evil]], he may have just been exaggerating for intimidation purposes-- and instead, what was pure was his determination to win. Which makes more sense for his character anyway, since his determination at the end of Z is so great that it manages to [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome scare Majin Buu]] because he refuses to give up or stay down, to a level that exceeds even Goku's own determinator status.
* While Supreme Kai's assertion that any of them could've killed Freezer makes them come off as dicks, consider how little it would actually solve; Freezer's the most active leader of the Planet Trade Organization, true, but he's not the only one, and as we see later, even killing the colds (King Cold, Freezer, Cooler) would only result in throwing the organization into disarray; countless people fighting for dominance over the most powerful group in the known universe. Whether an acceptable state of affairs or not, leaving an [[SpacePirates interstellar organization]] [[LawfulEvil that are the closest to universal lawmakers, and peacekeepers]] in place is better than fighting it violently, and the Supreme Kai realized this.
** {{Jossed}} in ''Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman'', as it shows there ''is'' a competing government. On the other hand, given that Jaco, who is ''still'' a member of their elite Galactic Patrol (strongly implied to be the weakest, but still a member of an elite force) plainly admits he couldn't take on ''any'' adult Saiyan, it's likely that the Planet Trade Organization is the only one with the military force necessary for the job.
* Trunks remarks that none of the stuff he predicted (apart from where Goku would land) was true; even the pair of androids who arrived at where he predicted was just a coincidence (they weren't the same androids he expected). He theorizes that it's due to time travel inherently messing with the timeline, however there are subtle hints he himself was responsible:
** Goku's disease manifesting itself much later could be because he physically trained himself in preparation for the androids; physical exercise improves your immune system. It was also Trunks who took care of King Cold and Frieza; Goku stated that he already had sensed the two and was prepared to teleport to the battle ahead of time. It's likely the exertion of going Super Saiyan again and fighting off both King Cold and Frieza that accelerated his condition, causing the heart disease to manifest earlier.
*** Except Goku is shown training as a super saiyan with Piccolo and Gohan, for 3 years straight. Also, physical exercise doesn't push back the onset of a disease you have already been exposed to. The only difference is that Goku was exposed later, probably because he isolated himself training, instead of going on adventures like he used to do.
** And this is possibly where Gero changed the power levels of the Androids; In Trunk's Timeline Goku would have arrived on Earth and would have fought a bloody battle with Frieza. As Cell has Frieza's cells, this means that Gero was, on some level, aware of the battle. He then must have known that the Mechanical Bodies he built for himself and 19 would be pointless, as Goku was clearly above their power level even before training and instead went to tweak on 17 and 18 more. In the main timeline, Goku never fought in it and the battle itself lasted too short for Gero to collect any meaningful data (Frieza and King Cold both got obliterated to ash, as oppose to possibly leaving behind corpses for Gero to collect and study). And the reason why 17 and 18 are weaker in Trunk's timeline? Gero always makes his androids powerful (as evident with 16 being the most powerful despite being the earliest one) and tone down from there. Gero, knowing his own #20 Mechanical body would not suffice, instead opted to tone down 17 and 18's power to manageable levels (which still predictably failed).
*** Gero stated he stopped watching Goku after the fight with Vegeta. the computer was the one handling the Cell project, not Gero. We also only have the word of a single fighter that never actually saw the androids fight at full power that there is any power difference at all. similarly, he was a baby when the androids appeared. For all we know, Vegeta handled #19 in the future, and then Gero activated #17 and #18, just like in the present.
** Finally, as to why the Androids are different; all of them have the objective of killing Goku, but as Goku is already dead by their activation, they really had no other goals; 16 (if he was activated) would have probably wandered into the woods to live a peaceful life with the animals. 16 also acted as a sort of morality chain for the two, usually advising against really heinous behavior of the two. Without him, the two went off the hook (especially 17, who even in the main timeline seemed to like carnage).
*** #16 never advised the other 2 on anything. He just refused to fight himself. The androids just (eventually) went off the deep end, because no one was there to stop them.
** Alternate interpretation: Gero in the original timeline would probably heard that Goku had died. This was six months before the androids attacked. So possibly he stopped upgrading the androids or downgraded them because their most powerful opponent was dead, and changed their programming. In the "main" timeline, the core instruction would have been something like "Kill Goku." That was all they were programmed to do, which explains their focus on finding him. But in the original timeline, with Goku dead, Gero might have changed the mission to "Kill everyone."
** Another possibility is that in Trunk's original timeline, Dr. Gero spent more time programming the androids, resulting in their hatred for humanity as a whole and leading to them being more psychotic. In the main timeline, Dr. Gero turned himself into an android and worked on other projects as well, including Android 16 and 19, seeing 17 and 18 as being too unstable. This could explain why they aren't as evil in the main timeline, as their programming wasn't complete and Dr. Gero only activated them as a last resort.
* Vegeta never really gets revenge for everything Frieza ever did to him but Frieza and his father were ultimately killed by Vegeta's son.
* At first, it seems rather odd that Majin Buu's original, primal form is so... small compared to the rest. But then you remember: Buu was created by Bibidi. And Bibidi's species are puny little shrimps compared to humans, Saiyans, and the like, with the adult Babidi being the same size - or smaller - as a 7-year-old human child. To shrimpy little Bibidi, the ~5-foot Kid Buu would be tall and imposing!
** Jossed. Buu's origins were {{Retcon}} so Bibidi didn't create him, only summoned him. Buu is as old as the universe. Him being puny just goes with the theme of the series of not judging people [[KillerRabbit by their appearance]].
* Why is Goku such a [[ParentalNeglect neglectful parent]]? It's literally InTheBlood: Saiyans (or at least low-ranking ones), from what we're shown, are basically sent off to other planets as infants, with no time to spend with their parents. It's questionable whether pure-blooded Saiyans even have a childhood phase, seeing how they're expected to start conquering the planet shortly after landing. While Prince Vegeta suggests this isn't always the case, it's possible that he got special treatment for being a prince (or at the very least, for being high-ranked). Tarble being banished for being too kind-hearted supports this. Add in the fact that Goku was RaisedByWolves, and he quite literally ''does not know how to be a parent''.
** According to ''Dragonball Minus'', Saiyan are sent out as children, but they're already grown up a fair bit by that time (Raditz's first mission came when he was already seven, right before the destruction of their homeworld, and in fact his mission mate was Vegeta himself), and Goku being sent out as a toddler was not completely the norm but [[FlingALightIntoTheFuture Bardock figuring that there was something strange in Frieza recalling all Saiyans to planet Vegeta and sending him on a planet with enough food for a growing Saiyan but nothing interesting for the Planet Trade Organization to invade]]. On the other hand, Saiyan childhood is implied to consist in combat training... And Goku was ''still'' RaisedByWolves.
** It is also [[CultureClash cultural]] in real life. Goku only really comes off as a [[ParentalNeglect neglectful parent]] to the people in the US. In Asia countries and part of Europe, Goku is seen as a good father who ''spoils'' Gohan. That is why Gohan's character development as a child was getting over his spoiled nature.
** ''Dragon Ball Minus'' stated ''Goku's mother'', a big softie by saiyan standards, was against sending infants out on planetary extermination missions, which is why Goku and Raditz were so "old". Prince Vegeta had already been on them, as Bardock had described Vegeta as a "pain" in the neck partner.
* It used to bother me that in in the Buu saga the people competing in the martial arts tournaments are all such weaklings and people in general are so disbelieving in abilities like ki and energy attacks and easily accept Mr Satan's claims that its all a trick when before those same abilities seemed much more widespread and known about. But then I realised that by the end of Piccolo saga it's pretty much just Goku and the other Z fighters who use those abilities and they basically disappear from the tournament scene until the Buu saga. All their adventures and battles take place in out of the way places or other planets and largely remain under the radar of the general public up til the Cell Saga. Also over the course of Dragonball Z nobody has sought out any of the Z fighters to train under them the way that Goku and Krillin sought out Master Roshi. So it's not surprising that by the time of the Buu knowledge about abilities like energy attacks and use of ki would have faded out of public consciousness and the techniques themselves fallen out of practice.
** Plus, Mr. Satan's claiming that it was all tricks and special effects might have helped people to further dismiss the notion of ki and supernatural martial arts abilities as being real, as they would have then looked back on any stories or recordings/accountings about such things as people falling for an old con, rather than actual evidence of its existence.
** On top of that, let's be honest here, the knowledge that there are literally multiple people standing on Earth with them that could ''destroy the goddamn planet on a whim'' would scare the shit out of the vast majority of people. Refusing to acknowledge that as a possibility is probably the only thing keeping half the population of the Earth sane.
** Ki and energy attacks are really rare in the Dragonball world (until DBO anyway) because hardly anyone actually knows how to use Ki or that it even exists. Those taught by the Turtle and Crane schools and their teachers are the only ones that are shown having the ability to access Ki at all and both of those schools hardly take on any students at all. Take a look at all the tournaments and fighters throughout Dragonball and DBZ and the number of people besides the protagonists and last round fighters that actually are shown using it is next to zero, and anytime Ki techniques are used by anybody such as the Kamehameha wave it's almost always mentioned to be legendary and mythical technique, something only people in the fighting biz and rabid fighting fans would have so much as heard of. Overall I'd say a couple dozen people on the entire planet can use Ki in any capacity at the most. Mostly the fighters besides the protagonists just use purely physical techniques based around raw power and/or speed rather than Ki. It's easy for a population of billions to dismiss something like Ki as tricks when hardly anybody knows about it, fewer have seen it firsthand, and next to nobody actually uses it. It isn't until the Cell games that Ki becomes involved in something big enough to be known to the world at large and Hercule quickly squashes much interest in it. Ki is definitely not something the average joe runs across every day and/or uses themselves.
* Pan's name - on the one hand, a pan as in 'frying pan' fits well with the series' food-related theme naming. But also, a pan pipe is a type of flute, like a piccolo. So Gohan named his kid after his mentor, too.
** Pan is also a religious figure often associated with the devil. As in Mark "Hercule Satan", and [[SignificantAnagram Videl]].
** Most importantly "Pan" is Japanese for "Bread"
** So in short, her name is a crossroads of all of the naming conventions of the prior generation.
** Also {{foreshadowing}}. One of the works most cemented in PopCultureOsmosis as far as comparing Pan to The Devil is ''Literature/TheGreatGodPan''. Now, what was the super saiyan transformation that came after 3, not counting GT? How was that transformation achieved?
* Gohan and Piccolo were both people who initially just wanted to be like their fathers, only to realise that the life their fathers had wasn't the life they wanted to live.
* It's been pointed out that despite the fact that Vegeta trains even harder than Goku, he can't quite catch up. This is contrasted with the irony that Vegeta was considered the natural prodigy as a child. However, when Goku first emerges from the Time Chamber during the Cell Saga, he explains that he was able to surpass Vegeta in less time because he trains ''better'' than Vegeta does; Vegeta tortures himself through rigorous but inefficient training methods because he doesn't know any better. He never needed to train very hard because of his natural aptitude, where as Goku was taught very effective training methods by Roshi, Korin, Kami, and King Kai.
* Cell, who who has [[AllYourPowersCombined the cells of all the Z-Fighters and Frieza within him]], attempted to [[EarthShatteringKaboom blow up the Eath]] when he realized he couldn't win... which is also what Frieza did on Namek in similar circumstances. LikeFatherLikeSon, eh?
* This took me a while to realize, but every time a new villain appears, they [[TheWorfBarrage worf]] the ultimate technique used against the previous villain.
** Raditz, Nappa, and Vegeta, for example, made many techniques and weapons from ''Manga/DragonBall'' useless: Nimbus (not fast enough), the Power Pole (never used), the Multi Form technique (rendered useless by Nappa), and even the Kamehameha wave (only had effect when used in tandem with the kaioken). In other words, earthly martial arts just wouldn't cut it. So what did? Martial arts made by the gods, namely the Kaioken and the Spirit Bomb.
** Then Frieza came along, [[NoSell tank]][[MadeOfIron ing]] both a Kaioken x20 Kamehameha and Universal Spirit Bomb. Then comes along the ultimate, legendary technique, usable only by a saiyan of pure heart: the Super Saiyan form...
** Which the androids immediately proved to be [[NoSell immune]] to. Instead, the form had to be reformed and perfected until we got Super Saiyan II.
** A few years pass, and Buu comes along, and not even a Super Saiyan II Vegeta can stop this monster. Instead, it takes Super Saiyan III, a form that technically shouldn't exist.
** And many years after that, [[Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods Beerus]] comes along and takes out Super Saiyan III Goku with ''one finger'', prompting our heroes to discover a form even beyond that: the Super Saiyan God.
** Super Saiyan God and even the form beyond that proves to be ineffective against [[spoiler:Goku Black]], who achieved a Super Saiyan God form of his own, [[spoiler:Super Saiyan Rose]]. Judging from the next episode, [[spoiler:Goku and Vegeta will revisit Potara fusion, last seen in the Buu Saga]].
* Despite the World Tournament going into shambles after Gohan's energy is stolen, the fights actually continue on. The next two matches scheduled after Gohan vs Kibito are Android #18 vs Mr. Satan, and Goku vs Vegeta, both of which end up happening, although under very different circumstances.
* Mr. Satan manages to get away with taking the credit for killing Cell and not a single character calls him out on it. That's because they'd been reminded by Goku of how all of Earth's most recent threats (Piccolo Jr., the Saiyans, Freeza, the androids and Cell) were all drawn to him either through vengeance or for the chance to challenge Earth's greatest warrior. They've learned that in order to protect the Earth, they'll need to keep a low profile.
** Though this doesn't stop Babidi from noticing their huge ki levels...
* The fusion of Goku and Vegeta into Vegetto (Vegito, Vegerot, what have you...) is brilliantly designed. The more powerful warrior (Goku) serves as the base of the body and clothing, and the more dominant personality (Vegeta) provides the color scheme plus miscellaneous items like gloves and boots. Now, what this has to do in relation to the Elder Kai and Kibito Kai...?
* If Frieza feared the Saiyan so much, then why did it take [[spoiler:a request from Beerus]] for him to destroy their homeworld, and ''still'' kept three of them around? Well, [[Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman Jaco]] explains that the Galactic Patrol, enemy of Frieza's Planet Trade Organization, has virus bombs that can quickly extinguish all life on a planet but the Saiyans are immune to that. The Saiyans were the only members of his army that could take on the Galactic Patrol without worrying about the virus bomb.
** This is a mistranslation. Beerus never ordered Frieza to destroy the Saiyans, he only approved of it.
** Specifically, Freeza doing it meant Beerus didn't have to travel the thirty minutes via Whis to do it himself. The point about the Galactic Patrol virus still stands.
* Why isn't Vegeta wearing his armour at the Tenkaichi tournaments when he otherwise wears it all the time (even claiming it counts as Saiyan formal clothing when he wears it at a party)? Because the rules of the Tenkaichi Budokai forbid the use of weapons or armour, and he couldn't figure how to justify it.
* How did, during the Saiyan Saga, the Z Fighters go from weaker that Kami to stronger than Raditz by training under Kami, when three years of the same training didn't make Goku so strong? Because when they started they were already stronger than Goku was when he started, and because most of Goku's training there was aimed to ''calm him down'' so he wouldn't just use violence as his solution to everything as he used before.
** In a similar way, that's how the defunct Z Fighters benefitted more from training under King Kai: by being faster they didn't waste six months in just arriving there, and by being stronger than Goku was when he arrived they got more advanced training early on.
** As for Piccolo becoming strong during the Saiyan Saga... He was inflicting TrainingFromHell on a half-Saiyan who replied with equal violence as he demanded, and who became much stronger every time he recovered from the Piccolo-inflicted injuries. He (unwittingly?) inflicted himself an extremely sadistic TrainingFromHell, [[HadToBeSharp either he became stronger too or he died]].
** Kami is never shown training them in the sense of sparring with them or even teaching them much at all. They seem to mostly train independently, although a filler episode has them being given a taste of what they're up against, so they train harder.
* The 25th Tenkaichi Budokai shows some differences from the previous tournaments we've seen (21st, 22nd and 23rd), namely a 30 minutes time limit, the preliminaries disputed via the Punching Machine to prevent injuries, and a greater commercialization (shown by the larger stadium and the previously absent television broadcast), all of them apparently coming out of nowhere. Thing is, those very three tournaments are the reason for the new rules: the superhuman fighters of those tournaments proved themselves capable of fighting for hours, with the final match of the 21st tournament taking ''four hours'', hence the time limit due the fighting being scheduled to happen in a single day; the 23rd Tenkaichi saw [[{{Sadist}} Tao Pai Pai]] almost killing Chiaotzu and, [[{{Jerkass}} considering his character]], he likely did the same to anyone who fought him in the preliminaries (in fact the anime ''shows'' him beating a preliminary opponent so bad he needed hospitalization. Even Piccolo at his most evil was showing more restraint), hence the Punching Machine made specifically to prevent injuries in the preliminaries; the greater commercialization was made necessary by the heavy damage caused in those three tournaments, where, aside from contestants randomly breaking the walls by sending others flying into it (and Panput doing it on purpose [[UnderestimatingBadassery he thought Goku was too weak to face him]] and [[PetTheDog didn't want to beat up a child]]), Goku in Great Ape form caused heavy damage to one of the buildings, Tien disintegrated the ring, and Piccolo ''annihilated the whole place'', necessitating the commercialization to raise the money and rebuild the whole place for the 24th Tenkaichi .
** Piccolo takes exception at the great commercialization, and makes a point of blowing up any recording or broadcasting equipment he sees. [[{{Irony}} His destruction of the original temple is the main reason for it]].
* Amongst many, many, ''many'' other titles, Biblical {{Satan}} is referred to as "The Father of Lies". In Dragon Ball Z, Mr. Satan justifies his title by being the biggest liar of them all, claiming the credit for killing both Cell and later Majin Buu, along with many other lies such as defeating Android 18 and claiming Buu is his apprentice.
* Vegeta's characterization in the Freeza Saga is TOTALLY different than that of the Cell saga. In the former, he's a borderline magnificent bastard, while in the latter, he's a trigger happy idiot who makes numerous mistakes that ultimately end up giving the villains the upper hand on more than one occasion. And then his characterization mysteriously changes back after Cell Saga, and while he's still a prideful idiot, he's got a much better head on his shoulders? What happened in the Cell Saga? He became a Super Saiyan, which is noted to emphasize the traits of recklessness and arrogance natural in Saiyans, especially if you're not used to the form. Remember, Vegeta didn't train to lose the negative aspects like Goku and Gohan did, and as a result, he kept the negative side effects of SSJ throughtout the Cell Saga. By the time of the Buu saga, he's got more of a handle on the form.
* Vegeta wanted immortality to fight Frieza, but what use would have it been if Frieza was still stronger than him? Easy: [[CameBackStrong every time Frieza hit him in such a way that should have killed him Vegeta's immortality would make him regenerate, and the Zenkai would boost his strength]] until he either became strong enough to win or Frieza exhausted himself and became too weak, whichever came first.
* When fighting Vegeta on Namek Frieza, who was supposedly terrified of the Super Saiyan, never showed any fear whenever his opponent became stronger and claimed to have become one, and later is strangely immobile when Goku actually becomes one and doesn't kill him before he can complete the transformation. This is easily explained if we take "Episode of Bardock" as canon: ''he already knows what a Super Saiyan looks like'' from his ancestor Chilled's warning (the creature that becomes blond called a Saiyan. Realizing it was actually a Super Saiyan wouldn't be a stretch for him once he heard of the legend), hence him not taking seriously Vegeta's claims, as he knows he's wrong (and not revealing what a Super Saiyan looks like because this way he'll break Vegeta that much harder when he has to face the truth he's still weaker), and [[OhCrap being too stunned to react when Goku starts transforming]].
** Even without considering ''Episode Of Bardock'', not only is Freeza a creature who transforms, but all of the saiyans and at least three of his non saiyan employees also transform. Even without the ability to sense ki, he can probably recognize a legit transformation, and even though Freeza and Zarbon do it to contain (power and hideousness, respectively), Abo, Kado and all the saiyans do so to increase. Seeing a noticeable, visible change in a saiyan, no matter how subtle, would be likely to freak him out if he can't think of a way to explain it with something like tails or full moons.
* King Kai originally told Goku that planet Vegeta had been destroyed by its Guardian, or God in the original Japanese, had summoned a meteor to crush into it when the wicked ways of the Saiyans went too far. We later learned that it had actually been Frieza to destroy it... And even later, we learned that Beerus sped up his plans due king Vegeta keeping the most comfortable cushion in the universe for himself. A God ''[[FromACertainPointOfView did]]'' summon what destroyed planet Vegeta due the Saiyan doing something evil, just it wasn't the planet's god, it wasn't a meteor, and the evil was suicidally stupid pettiness.
* At the start of the series Bulma is shown actually scared of ''Goku'' when Raditz reveals they're both Saiyan. As ''Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman'' establishes she had known of the Saiyan for years, she has just realized that her best friend had come to Earth to wipe everyone out.
* In the "Buu Saga", Majin Buu displays the ability of healing very early on, which starkly contrasts from Buu's nature as we were told up to that point - a merciless, destructive force of nature. The brilliance comes in when you realize later on that Buu's healing ability was {{Foreshadowing}} of the fact that he had absorbed two Supreme Kai in the past, with Kibito demonstrating healing abilities in the same arc.
* Raditz said that Nappa and Vegeta would take a year to arrive, yet they show up a month early. Was he wrong? No, he was just measuring time in either the old Saiyan way or by the PTO count, and in whatever system he was using a year is shorter than Earth's by about an Earth month.
* At first, Uub seems like a retread of Gohan. He's an unimpressive fighter with a lot of potential that only becomes apparent when he is enraged. But that was the entire point. Goku wasn't just given an opponent who mirrored his son, but unlike Gohan, who had all the resources and conditions necessary to become a great fighter but kept throwing it away to focus on more worldly pursuits, Uub doesn't have the opportunities to develop his talents because of harsh worldly realities until Goku give him relief. Goku loves his biological sons the way they are, but Uub is the son he mistakenly believed Gohan to be during the Cell saga. Gohan doesn't lose his head until someone he cares about gets hurt, Uub got into fight mode simply by being in front of an opponent he didn't like.

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* Burter, of the Ginyu Force, has the claim to fame of being the fastest being in the universe, and is utterly shocked when Goku completely outclasses him in terms of speed. Problem being that the initial claim is complete nonsense. Ginyu himself is able to hold his own with Goku putting considerably more effort into it than he did with Burter, showing that he was faster than his subordinate. And of course, Frieza is faster by far. The fact that Burter makes the assertion could be seen as sad posturing (an explanation DBZ Abridged seems to go with), but the fact that he's so shocked by Goku's speed when by all rights he should know that being faster than him is in no way, shape, or form a physical impossibility pushes the issue onto this page.
** Burter doesn't think being faster than him is impossible, it seems more that Burter is shocked that [[FantasticRacism a mere Saiyan]] could be faster than him more than anything. He's never met a Saiyan that was anywhere CLOSE to his level of power until that point not to mention one that was far more powerful than him, so he denies that it could even be possible despite the evidence literally standing right in front of him. Even so, Burter is still far stronger and faster than most anybody he would have come across beside Ginyu and Frieza so it's not an entirely ridiculous claim to make.
** Besides that, no one he faces would KNOW that there are faster guys out there unless they needed to get directly involved, so it could just be an intimidation tactic. Given how childish the Ginyu Force is in general, this makes sense.
* When Goku teleports Dende to Earth, he briefly stops by planet Kai before making his way back to Earth. Remember that planet Kai has much denser gravity than Earth (and presumably Namek, as Bulma, Gohan and Kuririn didn't feel any strain). Considering a warrior like Goku was nearly pulverised the first time he arrived on that planet, how did a child with no combat experience not feel the pressure?
** Goku was not "almost pulverized", he merely had difficulty walking and standing. And the series has shown that using ki makes you stronger. Since Dende can fly (and thus use ki)...
** Dende's also had a power up from Guru.
* Vegeta's motivation for getting the Dragon Balls was immortality, something that obviously played a huge role in the Saiyan and Frieza sagas. But then comes the Cell Saga, with Vegeta hanging around on Earth while it has Dragon Balls for years, makin' Trunks with the woman who invented the Dragon Radar, and he never thought to try for immortality again?
** In addition to the Dragon Balls is at least one other Saiyan who would A. object to Vegeta going for immortality, and B. can beat up Vegeta and keep him from getting the Dragon Balls.
** Remember, he only wanted the Dragon Balls + Immortality Wish for the chance that he'll eventually defeat Frieza in battle. When Frieza died, Vegeta no longer saw any reason to go after the Dragon Balls.
** Can the Dragon Balls even GRANT immortality? The characters all seem to assume that they can, but Dragon Balls can't grant wishes that are beyond the power of their creator, and both Kami and the Grand Elder are mortal (indeed, both are slowly dying of old age). Vegeta didn't know about the limits when he came up with his plan (and the other characters heard about it from him and may have assumed he knew what he was talking about), so his plan might have been doomed from the start.
** Garlic Jr. gained immortality from the Dragon Balls. That is probably canon.
** Garlic Jr is not in continuity, but the dragons can outlive the creators of dragon balls, so maybe.