Created By: Draxen on November 27, 2011 Last Edited By: Draxen on January 23, 2016
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Villainous Advice Song

A character is given bad advice through a song By a villain or antagonistic- like character

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"He lied to us through song! I hate it when people do that."
Homer Simpson, The Simpsons

A Character or most likely a Bad Samaritan tricks other Characters into helping them out through song. A subtrope of a Villain Song giving "advice " to The Hero only meant to benefit the villain or to tell how unstoppable The Villain has become. Compare and Contrast Pep Talk Song were characters are sung to and given encouragement yet were the means of a Pep Talk Song is to benifit the listener and Villianous Advice Song is to benifit the singer.

Examples:

Animated Film
  • In Cats Don't Dance Darla gives advice to Danny In "Big and Loud" on how he should go about performing his song for the studio exec.
  • Disney's Peter Pan. Captain Hook and his pirate crew try to convince the Lost Boys, Wendy, John and Michael to join up with them in the song "The Elegant Captain Hook". The boys all fall for this, but luckily Wendy brings them back
  • Tangled has Mother Gothel advising Rapunzel from leaving the tower because of all the dangers in the outside world in "Mother Knows Best".
  • The Emperors New Groove 2 "Like a Million" sung by Yzma.
  • In Disney's The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Frollo sings "Stay in Here" to Quasimodo. After Frollo leaves, Quasimodo's "I Want" Song, "Out There" closely follows.
  • The Nightmare Before Christmas has Oogie Boogie "advising" Santa Claus to be afraid in "Oogie Boogie's Song".
  • In The Little Mermaid the second part of "Poor Unfortunate Souls" is this
    • Likewise on the TV series Ursula's song "You wouldn't want to Mess with me"
  • In The Princess and the Frog, Naveen is tricked by Dr. Facilier during "Friends on the other side"
Musicals
  • In Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, Adam is treated as a misguided hero, rather than a villain. However, "The Sobbin' Women" holds a special place in the annals of bad musical advice.
Music Video
  • "Guilty Conscience" by Eminem ft. Dr. Dre, uses this with the angel and demon on the shoulder.
Web Original
  • "Advice Dog Song." [1]
Western Animation
  • "The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy" The Musical Episode has a meteor teaching Billy how he should go about retrieving brains in parts of the song.
  • In the Veggietales episode "Rack, Shack and Benny," the villain sings "The Bunny Song" to the protags, about the joys of eating too much candy. The producers got in trouble with parents for making the song too catchy when they couldn't get their kids to stop singing it.
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  • November 27, 2011
    Draxen
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    Draxen
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    Draxen
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  • November 30, 2011
    LeeM
    Frequently subverted in South Park by Chef's "advice" songs to Stan, Kyle and Kenny, which were always about gettin' down with his woman.
  • December 1, 2011
    Draxen
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  • December 4, 2011
    Draxen
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  • December 4, 2011
    Surenity
    Isn't this almost the same thing as Pep Talk Song?

    Anyway, there's "Never Say never" from An American Tail. But most of the examples on Pep Talk Song count here too.
  • December 4, 2011
    Draxen
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  • December 9, 2011
    Draxen
    Well I changed the meaning of this trope to prevent it from being a "Bad Snowclone" of Pep Talk Song, and more of it's polar opposite
  • December 9, 2011
    TwoGunAngel
  • December 9, 2011
    Arivne
    With this change in the trope, most of the examples above no longer count and should be deleted or moved elsewhere to avoid confusion.

    Film
    • Disney's Peter Pan. Captain Hook and his pirate crew try to convince the Lost Boys, Wendy, John and Michael to join up with them in the song "The Elegant Captain Hook". The boys all fall for this, but luckily Wendy brings them back to their senses.
  • December 10, 2011
    Vyctorian
    Guilty Conscience by Eminem ft. Dr. Dre, uses this with the angel and demon on the shoulder.
  • December 10, 2011
    McKathlin
    In Disney's The Hunchback of Notre Dame, Frollo sings "Stay in Here" to Quasimodo. After Frollo leaves, Quasimodo's I Want Song, "Out There" closely follows.
  • December 10, 2011
    troacctid
    Title is pretty confusing. The trope as you've written it is much narrower than just an "Advice Song". I'm calling Needs A Better Title.
  • December 11, 2011
    ladyofprocrastination
    Yeah, If you keep the name as is, Trope Decay will set in quickly as people include any advice song, good or bad.
  • December 11, 2011
    dokatron
    In Disney's The Jungle Book, Kaa the snake sings "Trust In Me" to persuade (and hypnotise) Mowgli into letting Kaa eat him.
  • December 11, 2011
    condottiera
    How about... BADvice song?
  • December 19, 2011
    Sligh
    How about Do-Re-MEVIL?
  • December 19, 2011
    Met
    In the Veggietales episode "Rack, Shack and Benny," the villain sings "The Bunny Song" to the protags, about the joys of eating too much candy. The producers got in trouble with parents for making the song too catchy when they couldn't get their kids to stop singing it.
  • December 19, 2011
    EzzyAlpha
    In The Princess And The Frog, Naveen is tricked by Dr. Facilier during the number "I got friends on the other side"
  • December 20, 2011
    Jhimmibhob
    • In Seven Brides For Seven Brothers, Adam is treated as a misguided hero, rather than a villain. However, "The Sobbin' Women" holds a special place in the annals of bad musical advice.

  • January 3, 2012
    phantomreader42
    Not an example, but possible page quote is Homer Simpson's "He lied to us through song! I hate it when people do that."
  • February 26, 2012
    pawsplay
    "Advice Dog Song." [1]
  • April 24, 2012
    DunDun
    I agree with Needs A Better Title. Needs A Better Description? It says this is a "type of"/suptrope of Villain Song. And this trope should be both compared and contrasted with Pep Talk Song, since both contain encouragement and are meant to lift the spirits of whomever's being sung to (just for different reasons).
  • July 3, 2012
    MorwenEdhelwen
    Would "bad" advice given in song by the character's friends count, or is this just for villains/antagonists?
  • July 3, 2012
    MorwenEdhelwen
    ETA: Because in The Desert Song, the Red Shadow is given relationship advice by his friends Ali Ben Ali and Sid El Kar in the songs "Let Love Go" and "If One Flower Goes Alone In Your Garden" about the benefits of polygamy. (Which the play makes out to be a bad thing.)
  • July 5, 2012
    NightNymph
    Potentially "Consider Yourself" from the film and play Oliver. It sounds like an upbeat and friendly song, but considering that the group that the singers are trying to get Oliver to join and become "part of the family" of are a band of pickpockets, this likely is not good advice.
  • July 7, 2012
    allthedumbthings
    Kick It Up a Notch from Starship
  • July 24, 2013
    robbulldog
    Also, from Oliver, "You've got to pick a pocket or two"
  • July 25, 2013
    MetaFour
    • In Pinocchio, Honest John sings "An Actor's Life For Me" to convince Pinocchio to skip school and go into theatre instead. Later, he reprises the song with new lyrics to talk Pinocchio into visiting Pleasure Island.
  • July 30, 2014
    Hero_Gal_2347
    Five hats. Who had this one?
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