Created By: DennisDunjinmanDecember 20, 2013 Last Edited By: DAN004August 8, 2014
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Pent Up Powers Peril

Not using your magical powers causes them to go awry.

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It's awesome to have superpowers or natural magical abilities, because you can do all sorts of cool things no Muggle can do. You've got the power inside you. The trouble is that it's always trying to get out. If you don't use your magic, it builds up inside you, until it no place to go but out. Being too full of magic may cause it to slip out. Or, the usual power outlet is blocked and the powers cause internal pressure and back up creating all sorts of problems such as Super Power Melt Down, Explosive Over Clocking, or just plain old Wacky Antics.

If the character uses Emotional Powers they might "vent" their bottled up powers with an Angst Nuke.

Compare Phlebotinum Overdose, when the magic is forced in from the outside instead of self-generating from the inside. If you're thinking of non-magical digestive-related buildup, see Gasshole, Balloon Belly, Potty Emergency and Potty Failure.

Compare and contrast:
  • Conditional Powers: You have to do (or to not do) something (usually regularly) to access your powers. Here, you have to use your powers regularly or something bad may happen.
  • Overheating: When your particular power/weapon has a limit on how much they're used and, when you reach the limit, you need to cool down first.
  • Overclocking Attack: Forcing your foe to overwork themselves, weakening/incapacitating them in the process.

Subtrope of Phlebotinum Overload.

Examples

Anime And Manga
  • In Street Fighter IIV, this is how Ryu first performed the Hadouken. He had such a buildup of ki that he had to get rid of it, so he did it by focusing it into a blast and firing it off.
  • Musshuru from One Piece 9th movie has the power of Shroom-Shroom Fruit, making him able to shoot poisonous spores. Said spores build up in his body if he doesn't release it, and he has to release it in large amounts every 10 years.

Comic Books

Film
  • Man Of Tai Chi: Tai Chi student Tiger has a great deal of chi, and when venting it (via powerful or dangerous attacks) he feels better.

Literature
  • When Darth Bane had his orbalisk armor, the orbalisks composing it fed on rage and dark side energy and would sometimes induce destructive temper tantrums if they weren't getting enough. Even for a Sith Lord, this is a major problem, since some of his projects required days at a time of delicate concentration that he has to be calm for.
  • Ciaphas Cain once encountered a hydroelectric dam that, owing the the ork invasion, had been running for days with no one drawing the power it produced, and now had dangerously overloaded capacitor banks on the verge of explosive failure. This comes in handy later when the pursuing ork army catches up to him.
  • Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows reveals that Dumbledore's younger sister Ariana suffered from this. She was bullied by Muggles as a child for having magic, and held it in as much as she could in an attempt to be normal. Holding it in meant that she often exploded with magic.

Live Action TV
  • In Sabrina The Teenage Witch, this is what happens if a witch doesn't use her magic. It starts slipping out at random until when it gets to be too much, which is when a witch totally loses their magic.
  • In Bewitched episode "Okay, Who's the Wise Witch?" Darrin's preventing Sam from using her powers backfired when it turned that her not using them caused the house to seal itself up from suppressed magic. At the end of the episode she decided that she need to do magic periodically in order to release the pressure.

Multiple Media
  • BIONICLE: The Kardas Dragon constantly generates a concussive force inside of himself and then releases it. If he does not release the energy, it would be forced out as an explosion that would kill the Dragon.

Tabletop Games
  • This is a major problem for ork wyrdboyz in Warammer 40 K: their magic is wild and semi-controllable, and gets stronger the more orks are around, frequently resulting in the weirdboy's head exploding (hence their other name, 'eadbangerz). They are given copper sticks which alleviate the effects somewhat, but for the most part relieve the buildup via psychic manifestations of their gods' Giant Foot Of Stomping, psychic vomit, and other orky spells.

Video Games
  • In Metroid Prime 3, Samus is infected by The Corruption and her body self-generates Phazon energy. Once the Galactic Federation finds out, they redesign her suit to capture it as an energy source. Normally it is stable, but when activated for too long it will self-generate to the point of overload and she has to vent all of it out, or her suit will time out and vent it for her. If the Phazon builds up too much Samus is "corrupted" and becomes a copy of Dark Samus.

Visual Novel
  • One of the heroines in Shuffle resents her inhuman nature to the point she refuses to use the magic that comes with it and the magic buildup takes heavy toll on her health. Out of desperation for his lover, protagonist literally cuts his wrists in front of her, thus forcing her to spend her magic on healing him.

Web Comics
  • Oglaf: Used for sex and for laughs twice.
    • In "Habeas Corpus" the unnamed protagonist that is Cursed With Awesome is informed that unless he comes within the hour, his balls will explode.
    • In "Inffirmary" the unnamed apprentice is diagnosed with "sssexual inexperiencce", and the doctors say that it might kill him.
  • In the El Goonish Shive arc "Sister II", a major plot point is the fact that Elliot and Ellen "awaken", a process after which their magical powers will be more powerful and developed. One side effect of this is that during the process, magic must be routinely utilized, otherwise it will build up and be used involuntarily.

Western Animation
  • The Fairly Oddparents:
    • If a fairy is unable to use their powers to grant wishes for children, the magic builds up inside them until they burst and become confetti.
    • Another episode showed the April Fool has a specific condition where if the audience laughs before he finishes a joke and lets the funny out, he gets comedy backup. However, instead of suffering a confetti-based fate, it only banishes him back to Fairy World.
  • Danny Phantom discovers he has a similar problem when he develops his freeze ray. If he doesn't use it, he freezes over and so does everything he comes in contact with.
  • Red Star of Teen Titans builds up large amounts of radiation as a side-effect of his empowering and has to live isolated in a compound while releasing and containing the buildup in barrels. Problems arise when he realizes that his radiation containers have leaked.
  • South Park: One of Kenny's many deaths was by Spontaneous Human Combustion. It is discovered that the reason for him combusting was he had a new girlfriend so he was holding in his farts. The methane gas built up inside him and he exploded.
Community Feedback Replies: 224
  • December 20, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    Isn't this just Phlebotinum Overload?
  • December 20, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    The trope namer is The Fairly Oddparents. If a fairy is unable to use their powers to grant wishes for children, the magic builds up inside them until they burst and become confetti.

    I though I heard that praise somewhere, but sadly that can't be said for everyone else. On top of that this Phlebotinum Overload but more specific. I think that a Motion To Discard is the appropriate option.
  • December 20, 2013
    kjnoren
    No, I think this is distinct from Phlebotinum Overload. That one pretty much requires an outside actor for the overload to happen. Here it is the lack of use that causes the overload. It's similar to Phlebotinum Overdose, but distinct in concept.

    Possible example, webcomics:

    • Oglaf: Used for sex and for laughs twice.
      • In "Habeas Corpus" the unnamed protagonist that is Cursed With Awesome is informed that unless he comes within the hour, his balls will explode.
      • In "Inffirmary" the unnamed apprentice is diagnosed with "sssexual inexperiencce", and the doctors say that it might kill him.
  • December 20, 2013
    kjnoren
    Maybe Phlebotinum Needs An Outlet as a trope name.
  • December 20, 2013
    DennisDunjinman
    Magic Buildup may be a trope namer, but it seems clear enough.
  • December 20, 2013
    Generality
    • In El Goonish Shive, Elliot has this problem as a result of a very unusual magical Awakening. Specifically, he has to turn into a girl regularly, and stay that way for a good while, which is distracting at the least.
  • December 21, 2013
    kjnoren
    ^^ No, all it implies is that magic builds up over time. It doesn't say anything about any danger of it building up, and it's the latter that's the key part of the trope. So it has nothing to do with using a Trope Namer, and everything to do with not being clear enough.
  • December 21, 2013
    DAN004
    Phlebotinum Overcharge then?

    Please fix when necessary
    • In Cloak And Dagger, this is Dagger's problem: if she doesn't let the ever-increasing light energy inside her out regularly, it'll overclock her body and exhaust her to death. Fortunately Cloak is also always hungry for energy, so she can throw out all those energy to him.
  • December 21, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    ^ Since we already have a trope called Phlebotinum Overload, naming this Phlebotinum Overcharge would definitely cause a lot of unnecessary confusion...
  • December 21, 2013
    JonnyB
    IIRC, there was a character in Heroes who had a danger of building up radiation inside him and becoming a nuclear bomb, unless he maintained a rather high level of concentration.
  • December 21, 2013
    Larkmarn
    ^ Which would just be Power Incontinence.

    • In Street Fighter IIV, this is how Ryu first performed the Hadouken. He had such a buildup of ki that he had to get rid of it, so he did it by focusing it into a blast and firing it off.
  • December 21, 2013
    DennisDunjinman
    Well, while I'm waiting for consensus on a better name, I'll add the examples that supposedly fit.
  • December 23, 2013
    Lakija
    Magical Mismanagement? Finite Magical Limit? Magical Pressure Cooker? Ticking Mage Bomb?

    (Oh my gosh... these are terrible aren't they? I'm trying, I swear! :D)

  • December 23, 2013
    DennisDunjinman
    The third one gets closest to what the trope is actually about. The fourth one reminds me of Why Am I Ticking
  • December 23, 2013
    DAN004
  • December 24, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^ this. covers nukes too.

    this is related to Overclocking Attack.

    that said, suggesting Dangerous Power Buildup (groan), Phlebotinum Potty Failure (LOL), Power Blockage Burst (???).
  • December 24, 2013
    Stratadrake
    So it's basically like your powers going stir-crazy because they're not used, right?
  • December 24, 2013
    DennisDunjinman
    It's like holding in a sneeze, but instead of air under pressure it's magic.
  • December 24, 2013
    Stratadrake
    More or less. Maybe Pent Up Phlebotinum / magic / whatever?

    IIRC, Gordon R Dickson's The Dragon Knight begins with the main character being informed that his "account has been reactivated" (meaning magical powers) after discovering he's inexplicably transforming in and out of a dragon's form one night.

    Someone who's actually read that book can do a better writeup, but I'm pretty sure the gist of it was this trope.
  • December 24, 2013
    DennisDunjinman
    Pent Up Magic I like. But your example sounds more like Power Incontinence.

  • December 24, 2013
    Sotesf
    Make it a subtrope of Phlebotinum Overload, or edit the other tropes to include these.

    I like where the OP is going and all, since we need to be able to include things like that (kids shows&movies especially use this in place of darker things like a vampire's urges, instead just making the characters explode into confetti, The Fairly Oddparents). As opposed to Explosive Overclocking which 'needs' a reason (like Overclocking Attack); but not quite Phlebotinum Overdose

    Also, the 'Hulking Out if you hold back' thing, (magic)werewolves who work on lunar cycles, or demons in some cases(like in the Buffy spinoff Angel)not to mention Ghost Rider; and while Power Incontinence may work, it's more like a Pre Explosion Buildup in these cases, as it is sometimes life-threatning (Asa Shigure from Shuffle)

    There needs to be one to meet those exceptions, where resisting it causes it to be worst than allowing an outlet. (Holding Backthe Phlebotinum sorely lacks this part as well)

    Also as a show of good faith to OP, Example:
    • In Sabrina The Teenage Witch'', this is kind of what happens if you stop using magic, although it's more like there needs to be an outlet or it finds one and slips out at random, until when it gets to be too much, they lose their magic completely instead(one way or another).
  • December 27, 2013
    Stratadrake
    ^^ As I haven't actually read the second book, I don't know all the details, but I'm pretty sure that the local wizard explained that losing control of his magic (which he didn't even know he had) was a result of letting it sit there so long without being used. After which his powers settle squarely into Voluntary Shapeshifting territory.
  • December 27, 2013
    Koveras
    Would this count?

    • In Zan Zarah The Hidden Portal, you have to charge up a spell before releasing it for it to do any significant damage. However, if you charge it for too long (e.g. because you can't get a clear shot at the enemy), it blows up in your face, dealing damage to yourself.
  • December 27, 2013
    Stratadrake
    Nope, because it's something you do and not just something that happens by default that you have to manage.
  • December 27, 2013
    kjnoren
    Not sure I like the current name of Pent Up Power, it doesn't imply that the choice of not using a power will cause bad effects later on in and of itself. It focuses more on that the power builds up, not on what will happen if it isn't released.

    Among the proposals and variants so far I think Phlebotinum Needs An Outlet, Power Needs An Outlet, Magical Pressure Cooker, or Phlebotinum Pressure Cooker are still the best.
  • December 27, 2013
    KZN02
    BIONICLE: The Kardas Dragon constantly generates a concussive force inside of himself and then releases it. If he does not release the energy, it would be forced out as an explosion that would kill the Dragon.
  • December 27, 2013
    Stratadrake
    ^^ No fan of 'pressure cooker' as an analogy. As an alternative, "stir crazy" is a good adjective because it means exactly what this trope is about.
  • December 27, 2013
    DAN004
  • December 27, 2013
    Stratadrake
    Groanworthy....
  • December 27, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ What are you referring to?
  • December 28, 2013
    Stratadrake
    Dangerous Energy Buildup sounds much too generic.
  • December 28, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
  • December 30, 2013
    Stratadrake
    No better. It's lacking the intonation that it builds up over time, all by itself.
  • December 30, 2013
    DennisDunjinman
    Progressive Power Buildup?
  • December 30, 2013
    Bisected8
  • December 30, 2013
    DennisDunjinman
    ^ I think that one's more Phlebotinum Overload. As far as I'm aware Samus's Phazon is actually stable unless she activates it or is shot by a Phazon weapon. But it's close.
  • December 30, 2013
    Paradisesnake
    Couldn't we just snowclone Phlebotinum Overload and name this one Magic Overload, Magical Energy Overload, or something alike?
  • December 30, 2013
    DAN004
    ^ I think "buildup" describes the trope better...
  • December 31, 2013
    Stratadrake
    And I think it needs to be kept clear that this is about something that automatically builds up over time and thus forces the character to vent it in some manner. I think Metroid Prime 3 can count from an in-universe perspective (The Corruption basically makes Samus sweat Phazon radiation, so they just redesign her suit to capture it as an energy source; aside from the occasional malfunctioning Hyper Mode and placing an ultimate time limit on The Very Definitely Final Dungeon and Final Boss battle, you don't have to worry about it from a gameplay standpoint).
  • December 31, 2013
    kjnoren
    I'm going to raise Phlebotinum Needs An Outlet again. The gradual buildup isn't strongly implied, but to me it's the regular venting part that's most important in this trope.
  • December 31, 2013
    ShanghaiSlave
    simply saying "buildup" doesn't really imply the "dangerous" part.

    Phlebotinum Needs An Outlet is slightly better. though i read it as "phlebotinum needs to be plugged somewhere" (yes, i know outlet here means "release" and not "electrical outlet".) which is closer to the trope at least. i.e. plug (release) or die (explode).

    Phlebotinum Potty Failure sounds completely stupid, but metaphorically means "it blows up because you didn't release it", so means exactly what the trope is about.

    so it's either that or Explosive/Dangerous Power Buildup/Overload. we know it's dangerous, and we can assume what will happen if it doesn't get released.
  • December 31, 2013
    DAN004
  • January 1, 2014
    kjnoren
  • January 1, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
  • January 2, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ Can be confused with Holding Back The Phlebotinum
  • January 2, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    Holding in isn't the same as holding back. Plus holding in has the same Toilet Humor connotations as the other suggestions.
  • January 2, 2014
    KomodoClassic
    Scorpion Shards by...Neil somebody? I believe he also wrote Interstellar Pig. Either way, that's how at least one of the kids' powers work. People think he's a psychopath, because he's Blessed With Suck and has urges to cause destruction, but uses his Awesomeness By Analysis to try not to hurt people.
  • January 2, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^^ toilet humor is the means, not goal, just so we're clear.

    since it's the closest thing you can hold back with explosive consequences that everyone is familiar with.
  • January 2, 2014
    DAN004
    Title crowner plz.
  • January 3, 2014
    dalek955
  • January 4, 2014
    kjnoren
  • January 4, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    added a title crowner which includes all the serious sounding ones.
  • January 6, 2014
    dalek955
    • When Darth Bane had his orbalisk armor, the orbalisks composing it fed on rage and dark side energy and would sometimes induce destructive temper tantrums if they weren't getting enough. Even for a Sith Lord, this is a major problem, since some of his projects required days at a time of delicate concentration that he has to be calm for.
  • January 12, 2014
    dalek955
    • Ciaphas Cain once encountered a hydroelectric dam that, owing the the ork invasion, had been running for days with no one drawing the power it produced, and now had dangerously overloaded capacitor banks on the verge of explosive failure. This comes in handy later when the pursuing ork army catches up to him.
  • January 18, 2014
    Az_Tech341
    What's the most famous example? Metroid Prime: Corruption could be the typical example. Why not Phazon Corruption?
  • January 18, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    ^ Because as much as I love Metroid, it doesn't describe the trope clearly.
  • January 19, 2014
    DAN004
    Seriously, I wonder why there isn't so much ppl participating in the crowner...
  • January 21, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    I'm going with Magic Buildup.
  • January 22, 2014
    Hero_Gal_2347
    Heat of the League of Supermen (see Power Incontinence) will burn himself with his own x-ray vision if he doesn't fire it every fifteen minutes.
  • January 22, 2014
    DAN004
    • Musshuru from One Piece's 9th movie has the power of Mush-Mush Fruit, making him able to shoot poisonous spores. Said spores build up in his body if he doesn't release it, and he has to release it in large amounts every 5 years.
  • January 22, 2014
    DAN004
    I wouldn't like "magic" in the title.
  • January 22, 2014
    Hero_Gal_2347
  • January 22, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ Well we have a crowner for that and I've downvoted any title with "magic" in it :P
  • January 23, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    ^ And you're not the only person with an opinion on this trope.
  • January 25, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ I know, I know.
  • January 25, 2014
    DAN004
    BTW, fix One Piece example plz: The fruit name is Shroom-Shroom and the spores are released every 10 years.
  • January 27, 2014
    DracMonster
    I put in Pent Up Power Peril. This could be extended to "burning out" and other dangers besides actually exploding.

    EDIT: Wait, that's incorporated into the description already.
  • February 2, 2014
    AliceMacher
    In Lucifer, the Basanos, a malevolent, living tarot deck, provoke the title character into smiting them. What Lucifer doesn't know is that their co-conspirator, the Shinto underworld queen Izanami, has woven feathers, into his wings, designed to trap his power within his body when he prepares to use it. As a result, within seconds of powering up, he bursts into flames.
  • February 7, 2014
    Chabal2
    This is a major problem for ork wyrdboyz in Warhammer 40 K: their magic is wild and semi-controllable, and gets stronger the more orks are around, frequently resulting in the weirdboy's head exploding (hence their other name, 'eadbangerz). They are given copper sticks which alleviate the effects somewhat, but for the most part relieve the buildup via psychic manifestations of their gods' Giant Foot Of Stomping, psychic vomit, and other orky spells.
  • February 7, 2014
    Larkmarn
    • A mundane example in Man Of Tai Chi: Tai Chi student Tiger has a great deal of chi, and when venting it (via powerful or dangerous attacks) he feels better.
  • February 9, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
  • February 9, 2014
    AndyGHKTropes
    Would Bender exploding in that one episode of Futurama if he stopped dancing count?

    Or is that not magicy enough?
  • February 10, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    Which episode? I stopped watching after Season 4.

    It's not "you explode if the following condition is not met". It's "you explode if something's building up inside you".

    A better Futurama example would be the episode where Fry and Leela use Bender as a tureen for fermenting their own beer. The gas buildup inside Bender's cavity would cause him to explode.
  • February 13, 2014
    C.stubb
    This seems to just be a list of the times Phlebotinum Overload has had a negative consequence for the user. I don't know if there is enough distinction between this and the other Phlebotinum tropes to justify listing this as a whole different thing.
  • February 13, 2014
    CrypticMirror
    • In Bewitched episode "Okay, Who's the Wise Witch?" Darrin's preventing Sam from using her powers backfired when it turned that her not using them caused the house to seal itself up from suppressed magic. At the end of the episode she decided that she needed to do magic periodically in order to release the pressure.
  • February 13, 2014
    troacctid
    I think Magic Buildup is a perfectly good name. Occams Razor, right?
  • February 13, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ the word "magic" makes it ambiguous.
  • February 13, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^^ No Just No.

    Pent Up Power Peril describes the danger of power building up perfectly. though it doesn't include the actual explosion.

    Magic Buildup is just plain undescriptive and ambiguous.
  • February 14, 2014
    DAN004
    "Backup"?
  • February 14, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    Like when a pipe gets clogged, and the sewage backs up.
  • February 14, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ It has a different meaning in computer-speak. :P
  • February 14, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    But this trope isn't about computers, it's about clogging.
  • February 14, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    should have checked the thesaurus first. ambiguous names are bad. you just replaced the undescriptive "buildup" with an accurate but perfectly ambiguous word. also, pretty sure it's "backed up" or "back up". though even then without "toilet" you would associate it with backups.

    Power Congestion Explosion?

    http://thesaurus.com/browse/clogging
  • February 14, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    There are a lot of synonyms for the word I want to use. But three words sounds like a mouthful.
  • February 14, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ You can never have enuff wordz.

    And what use the crowner have if you just change the title on a whim?
  • February 14, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    Name consensus is always a nasty ordeal. I didn't like it any more when tropers argued over the trope that became It Kind Of Looks Like A Face.
  • February 14, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ What does It Kind Of Looks Like A Face have anything to do with this?
  • February 14, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    That it's really hard to get a bunch of tropers to agree on a name.
  • February 15, 2014
    DAN004
    Seriously though, the important word would be buildup, dangerous, and power or energy.
  • February 15, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
  • February 15, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    Are you sure I can't make an exemption and use the Trope Namer? We already have Either World Domination Or Something About Bananas.
  • February 15, 2014
    Stratadrake
    Whomever changed the name from "buildup" to "backup", wow is that screwing the pooch. We can't afford confusion with other "backup" tropes — I'ma reverting that NOW.
  • February 15, 2014
    DAN004
    ^^ Now what's the trope namer and what would the title be?
  • February 15, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    As listed in the article, the Trope Namer is The Fairly Oddparents. The title would be "Magical Backup/Magic Buildup". It came from a very early episode when Timmy wished that everyone looked exactly alike, so godparents were incapable of identifying their children and properly granting wishes for them.
  • February 16, 2014
    troacctid
    The trope doesn't need to be dangerous, though. That's Phlebotinum Overload. This one is about how the magic builds up and needs to be discharged. There are multiple ways it could go wrong without being dangerous—breaking The Masquerade, accidentally revealing your Secret Identity, damaging inanimate objects, or just plain embarrassment a la Potty Emergency, to name a few.
  • February 16, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ that would fit more to Coverblowing Superpower
  • February 16, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^^ then Phlebotinum Potty Failure is the best metaphor to use. "you hold it in, then it comes to a point you can no longer hold it in and you get a phlebotinum Potty Failure.

    it's the stupidest name around, but it illustrates it at least. also fits with the OP's backed up toilet analogy. the pun just never ends...
  • February 16, 2014
    DAN004
    Phlebotinum Overheat Venting? (Cuz the thing builds up like heat and it needs to be let out by venting...)
  • February 16, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    But it doesn't always come out by venting. If this trope is in effect, it comes out by exploding or, in less urgent cases, leaking. Or not at all, and burnout happens.
  • February 16, 2014
    DAN004
    If it's "leaking" then it's Power Incontinence
  • February 16, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    But it's not the leaking part that this trope is about, it's the buildup. You know, cause, not effect.
  • February 16, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^^ Potty Failure really seems to be the only close analogy for it...
  • February 16, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ Potty Emergency, actually
  • February 16, 2014
    DAN004
    @ Dennis: What I mean by "venting" is that overheated machines will explode if the venting doesn't happen.

    Harmful Energy Buildup then?
  • February 16, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    I understand the need for venting, but that's a side-effect of this trope. Or a deterrent.

    I don't really see the need to add more adjectives to the name. What's ambiguous about the current title, and why do I have to swap "Magic" with "Phlebotinum" or "Energy" when Tropes Are Flexible?
  • February 16, 2014
    troacctid
    ^ Yeah, exactly.
  • February 16, 2014
    DAN004
    ^^ Cuz Phlebotinum Bomb is non-indicative. So is "Magic" in this case.
  • February 16, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^ Non-indicative because it doesn't say the all-important "it only destroys certain things" part of the trope.

    likewise, DD's preferred name Magic Buildup doesn't say the "the buildup may be explode all at once if not vented out gradually"

    remember, Bad name equals Trope Decay, misuse, or disuse.
  • February 16, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    Yes, it does. It says that magic becomes a surplus if it's not used. The consequences of that surplus is covered by other tropes.
  • February 16, 2014
    randomsurfer
    Does This Count
    • South Park: One of Kenny's many deaths was by Spontaneous Human Combustion. It is discovered that the reason for him combusting was he had a new girlfriend so he was holding in his farts. The methane gas built up inside him and he exploded.
  • February 16, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
  • February 16, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^^^ then remove references to "blowing up" in the description and laconic if it doesn't cover those in the first place.

    if you were going for both then you'd obviously need the name to imply both. Don't jam two pegs in one hole. that's what Double Penetration is for.
  • February 17, 2014
    DAN004
    I guess the description can at least mention the "venting" and "blowing up" as possible outcomes...
  • February 17, 2014
    randomsurfer
    • The Simpsons: in a Deleted Scene in the episode where Bart becomes Mr Burns' heir, when Homer goes to take Bart back Mr. Burns chases him away with a robotic Richard Simmons, which dances and encourages others to dance the pounds off. Once Homer runs away the robotic Richard Simmons continues to dance, building up power and severely shaking. Smithers: "His ass is gonna blow!"
  • February 17, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
  • February 17, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    ^^ The description already mentions the outcomes. The laconic isn't so important at this point because it's not going into the finished trope, it's to attract other tropers for input, and we've got over 100 posts of it.
  • February 17, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ Hey, YKTTW should be the preview of a completed trope. That's one of the rules...
  • February 17, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    I've got a full description and enough necessary examples. What more does this trope need?
  • February 17, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^ A Proper freaking name. did i mention bad name leads to Trope Decay?
  • February 17, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    I have to insist that the name is fine.

    It is not dialogue. The name is literal. It is concise. It is descriptive. It is not clever but it doesn't have to be. It is not a snowclone (and I'm not putting Phlebotinum in the name). It doesn't rely on a pre-existing term, doesn't have the word "trope" in the name, and is neither a Verbal Tic nor a Pothole Magnet.

    It may be related to a Trope Namer, but that's because that show in question coined a perfectly fine term for it.
  • February 17, 2014
    DAN004
    Should I take over this instead?
  • February 17, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    I did not put this trope Up For Grabs. Denied.
  • February 17, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    The name is only fine if the description and laconic were exclusively about the buildup and not the explosion as well. you're still lumping different tropes here. you're insisting your trope is "buildup is bad" yet the description says "buildup equals explosion".
  • February 17, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    A laconic is meant to be a laconic. The description says that there are multiple consequences for blocking the use of magic. The examples show it.
  • February 18, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^ By that logic, the name should be about "magical buildup has terrible consequences (i.e. buildup is bad)" not "magic builds up (i.e. just that)". that alone doesn't really say anything.

    Murder your darlings, you are too attached to the Trope Namer.
  • February 18, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    yeah, i just realized i'm changing tunes in between my replies. still the point stands that the name is undescriptive of the direction of the description.
  • February 18, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    Are you jealous that I'm not using your darling, Pent Up Power Peril?

    Well, we can't always get what we want. Tropes Are Flexible, and this trope doesn't need a complete sentence for a title.
  • February 18, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^ Yeah, way to be dick. though i like that, there are other good names in the crowner, which defeats the point of your potshot.
  • February 18, 2014
    DAN004
    ^^ And neither could you.

    Gonna go to Ask The Tropers to talk about this....
  • February 18, 2014
    SeptimusHeap
    Let's not get rude here, please. Inferring from someone's posts to their motives is not exact enough to be a good idea anyway.

    I do note that Magical Buildup to me makes me think that the wizard has to build up their power before any usage, more like recharging a battery. So I would look at other name suggestions.
  • February 18, 2014
    xanderiskander
    I'm with Dennis on not using "Phlebotinum" in the name. Is Phlebotinum a word that anybody would use in real life? Is it something that anybody would get without an explanation? As far as I can tell it's just a random obscure term ripped from the Buffy-verse, to describe powers or items that have or cause special powers. Which means you would have to read other articles on this site to even get what the title means. Isn't that problem exactly the same reason why we don't like bad snow clones?

    On the other hand "Magic" and "Power" are more understandable to more casual / newer Tvtropes readers who will be able to immediately get what it means if they haven't read tons of articles on the site.
  • February 18, 2014
    DAN004
    I disagree with Magic, but I'm going with Power or Energy.

    Point is, "magic" would make it ambiguous. That's what I and Shanghai Slave are trying to say...
  • February 18, 2014
    xanderiskander
    Ambiguous? Ambiguous means "to have several possible meanings or interpretations". I don't think that's what you mean. Since some ambiguity wouldn't be a problem. It would actually be a good thing for the title to be a little ambiguous since we'd want it to cover a lot of kinds of abilities that build pressure.

    Do you mean you think it's too narrow then? I don't think "Magic" would make this too narrow either. Magic can pretty much be used as a shorthand for "Powerful abilities" the same way Muggle is used as a shorthand for non-supers. Plus it's a common term people will get. If you're thinking that people will only put examples of wizards or whatever you're really not giving them enough credit. Especially since people are already posting a healthy amount of varied examples in this discussion.
  • February 18, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^^No, we're not in this together, we have different ideas.

    What's ambiguous is the title combination "X Buildup".

    Read the OP, it clearly says "Buildup of power have certain effects". the "X buildup" title only says "something builds up". this is the problem because OP insists it describes it having an effect despite the name clearly undescriptive on that.

    Also, i have to admit i originally mistook the description and examples as saying "buildup automatically means explosion".

    As for "Magic" yes, it is ambiguous (okay, narrow?) because it's literally just "magic", it wouldn't cover say, an "Antimatter beam" that gathers antimatter and will explode if it gets full and used when full. phlebotinum is a generic term, and is usually one of the first new words to a new trope along with Xanatos and Macguffin & Chekhov (which have the excuse of being used in teaching literature). if it was a fandom specific term i'd argue against using it at all.
  • February 18, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    The buildup of magic has a wide amount of consequences. I don't need to call this trope Magic Builds Up And Causes Incontinence Explosions And Or Burnout. Just as any hypothetical antimatter beam trope doesn't need to be called Antimatter Is Shot As A Beam And Disintegrates Things Or Does Something Else Unusual.

    By the way, we do not use the words Xanatos or Chekhov in tropes anymore because they are loaded trope words. New tropes are supposed to avoid using those.
  • February 18, 2014
    DAN004
    So tell me if there's any problem with Energy Buildup. I want to know, myself.
  • February 18, 2014
    DAN004
    So tell me if there's any problem with Energy Buildup. I want to know, myself.
  • February 18, 2014
    SeptimusHeap
    By the way, we do not use the words Xanatos or Chekhov in tropes anymore because they are loaded trope words. New tropes are supposed to avoid using those.

    Loaded trope word doesn't mean "we don't use them anymore" it means "this word in the context of tropes has a specific meaning". And while we don't use Xanatos anymore (for new tropes), Chekhov is still in use (albeit only with care; see Everythings Worse With Snowclons).
  • February 19, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    Dennis Dunjinman

    now you're just using strawmen with those names. Look, I know you really like the name, but consider clarity. Power Buildup Breakdown, Dangerous Power Buildup are far more descriptive with even just one word added. simply because we know "something happens if power builds up" as opposed to "power builds up" alone.

    I mentioned Xanatos and Chekhov because they're so common new tropers will immediately get accustomed to them and ruin their vocabulary. It has nothing to do with me suggesting to use phlebotinum in the name. because i personally prefer "power" myself because phlebotinum is a mouthful.
  • February 19, 2014
    DAN004
    Ist it just me or the amount of the title in the crowner becomes fewer?
  • February 20, 2014
    troacctid
    I don't think Energy Buildup is a bad name necessarily, but it's more vague in that "energy" could be mundane. Magic Buildup or Magical Buildup gets the trope across better.

    If anything I'd call Needs A Better Description, because it's a bit Example As A Thesis-y and it still doesn't differentiate well between what's core and what's merely common. ("It's like holding in a sneeze, but with magic" is actually a pretty good line. Can we use that?)

    ^^ Disagree. They are not significantly more descriptive. The extra words are redundant and crufty, and the trope does not require danger, so at best they're unnecessary and at worst they're actively misleading.
  • February 20, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ "magic" would be even more vague in that case. What's "magical" about the buildup? Go check Phlebotinum Bomb and you can see that the name is misleading.
  • February 20, 2014
    xanderiskander
    ^"Magic" is a universal term that clearly indicates a supernatural ability. Energy Buildup doesn't indicate anything about it being an ability. That title sounds like it's about charging up a power source to a Doomsday Device or something. That's why "energy" and "power" are more vague.
  • February 20, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ Power Buildup then?

    Energy Buildup can also happen in devices and vehicles, not just creatures - that's why I choose that title.
  • February 20, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    Non-magical energy buildup is already covered by Explosive Overclocking.
  • February 20, 2014
    xanderiskander
    Well, actually now that you mention it looking at that page that's not really true. Explosive Overclocking is caused by using something too much at once to the point that it can't handle stress from the overuse, and that causes it to overload. This would be distinct from that because the buildup is caused by "underuse".
  • February 20, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    troacctid

    The problem is, "Magic Builds Up" is like saying "your battery gets fully charged". it's completely meaningless. as opposed to saying say, Risky Magic Buildup", we know something happens if it builds up. kinda like "Battery Overcharge". which while not inherently "dangerous" sounding. it makes it seem something bad happens if it does "overcharge".
  • February 20, 2014
    xanderiskander
    How about "Blowout" in place of buildup then? A blowout implies a leak or burst of energy, which could include explosions (sometimes). So call it something like Super Power Blowout

    Also is this related to Super Power Meltdown?
  • February 20, 2014
    troacctid
    1. This trope doesn't cover mundane, nonmagical energy buildups. It's about having phlebotinum behave in a way that mimics that real-life phenomenon. It can still happen with vehicles and devices, but only the ones that use magic.
    2. Viewers Are Not Morons. "Buildup" isn't hard to figure out. (Even if it was, why would adding "Risky" help?)
    3. The trope, again, does not require danger.
    4. Yes, it is a possible cause of Superpower Meltdown.

    v They fit because they're phlebotinum. A mundane steam engine, for example, would not count.
  • February 20, 2014
    xanderiskander
    ^There are several examples on this already that are not straight magic, but rather about a character's superpowers, or nonmagical (yet still fantastic) technology. So you're wrong this can easily cover that without any problems or contradictions. And Moreover Tropes Are Not Narrow it shouldn't be JUST restricted to literal wizards anyway. It can apply to many kinds of powers.
  • February 20, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    troacctid

    1. .
    2. The problem is Magic Buildup only implies it builds up, nothing more, nothing less. it doesn't say that it has a side effect, which is important to the trope as the description points out. otherwise, it's comparable to saying "Battery Power Buildup" aka, charging a freaking dry cell, or in magical context, A wizard gathering Mana in his body. which is not noteable. unless these counts and is noteable?
    3. My point was something happens, hence risky.
  • February 20, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    Buildup actually does imply something is wrong, because it wouldn't "build up" if it wasn't. Otherwise this trope would be called Magic Recharge, or something about when a wizard is out of mana and needs to refill their magic bar to use spells again.
  • February 21, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^ No it doesn't. that requires a leap of logic. Buildup in it's core means "something accumulates". battery accumulates(is building up) power, therefore "battery is charging". The Enterprise is charging weapons, therefore "The Enterprise is building up weapon energy".

    what you want here is "buildup of too much Magic have side effects". which neither buildup nor charging on their own imply.
  • February 21, 2014
    DAN004
    For someone who said viewers are not morons: no, we must always assume that they are.
  • February 21, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
  • February 21, 2014
    JoieDeCombat
    If I were to have to define a trope based purely on the title "Magic/Energy/Power Buildup," I would assume it refers to the gradual accumulation of power in a person, place, or object. The word "buildup" does not connote any kind of negative side effects or consequences as a result of the accumulation, and since that's a integral element of the trope, it should really be indicated in some way by the title.

    An overly-long and literal title isn't necessary to make it less ambiguous. The addition of a single word, as in "Dangerous Power Buildup," does the job perfectly well.
  • February 21, 2014
    xanderiskander
    Shanghai is right dude. Buildup doesn't imply what you think it does it just means "something accumulates". And it doesn't indicate that the "buildup" is actually a problem. It can mean a ton of other things.

    And you can stop being so rude and condescending. We wouldn't need to use names that long anyway. I can come up with several alternative names with no more than four words just off the top of my head

  • February 21, 2014
    DennisDunjinman
    After 150 posts of repetitive criticism that doesn't go anywhere, I'm losing patience. Every post is "You need more words! You're not clear enough!" and they keep giving me words that don't add anything.

    I prefer brevity.
  • February 21, 2014
    CrypticMirror
    I'd prefer clarity then concision, followed by wit. It is Clear Concise Witty after all. Not all concepts or tropes can be boiled down to just two words.

    My vote is for Magic Excess Malfunction as being the best of what we have.
  • February 21, 2014
    CrypticMirror
    Okay, the original sponsor just discarded this because no one would agree to their choice of title. As per Ask The Tropers I've un-discarded it and tagged it as up for grabs.

    How are we on titles?
  • February 21, 2014
    tsstevens
    Let's see...

    Magical Overclocking

    Magic Exhaust

    Superpowered Release

    Hit The Button Or Burn

    Cant Sit Must Hit (blackjack terminology)

    Limit Break Release

    Must Use Superpower

    Desperation Move

    Any others?
  • February 21, 2014
    xanderiskander
    If people like Magic Excess Malfunction I'd say we should rearrange the words to Excess Magic Malfunction because it sounds snappier.
  • February 21, 2014
    DAN004
    Just my suggestion: kinda want to make a copy Ykttw so we can open way for more examples.
  • February 21, 2014
    xanderiskander
    Making a copy ykttw would just make things confusing. Right now fixing the description and the name is more important anyway.
  • February 21, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ I mean, people will be turned off when they see a load of discussions and arguments in the replies. I get that from experience.

    At least once we decided on the name, a new YKTTW shall be made.
  • February 21, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    Dennis Dunjinman
    After 150 posts of repetitive criticism that doesn't go anywhere, I'm losing patience. Every post is "You need more words! You're not clear enough!" and they keep giving me words that don't add anything.

    I prefer brevity.

    Not enough criticisms man, 150 comments spread out on two YKTTW's and counting. Your problem is just name. Mine is people can't see the distinct trope. Patience, young grasshopper.
  • February 21, 2014
    xanderiskander
    ^Dennis was suspended. See the ask the tropers discussion.
  • February 21, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    oh. didn't get the memo.
  • February 22, 2014
    tsstevens
    One more.

    Use It or Lose It.
  • February 22, 2014
    DAN004
    What about restarting the title crowner as well?
  • February 22, 2014
    CrypticMirror
    On the example front I think we're fine to go live and let Wiki Magic take its course, we don't need every instance on just YKTTW copy, it is just the pilot and proof of concept draft after all. As far as names go, would anyone raise any objections to Excess Magic Malfunction? I think that would probably be good enough in this case. I don't see any great confusion arising from that, and it is snappy enough.

    I've put Excess Magic Malfunction in the title, added in a laconic, and made a couple of description tweaks, how does that look now?
  • February 22, 2014
    DAN004
    Disagree with the word "magic", it sounds awkward that way. Either "power" or "energy" would suffice.
  • February 22, 2014
    CrypticMirror
    How about Excess Powers Malfunction or Unused Powers Malfunction? Power or energy make me think of machinery, but for some reason (and I admit I'm not sure exactly why) powers makes it more a personal thing? Personally I'd prefer magic, because I don't really see the difference between superpowers and magic, but not to the point that it's worth fighting over like the OP did, and if it ever becomes an issue after launching then it is the TRS's problem and not mine. Let's just get this puppy out the door.

    Looking through the examples, superpower and magic examples are about equal and only one is a non-personal industrial example. I'd be inclined to call the industrial one an example of Tropes Are Flexible and treat it as an exception. If we get more industrial ones then we're probably looking at two related tropes, one for super-powered or magical people and one for machinery.
  • February 22, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    I prefer Pent Up Power Malfuction for Alliteration, if we simply can't go with Pent Up Power Peril for some reason.
  • February 22, 2014
    CrypticMirror
    My personal inclination would be to exclude Peril (Although I like the alliteration, and would have gone for it a few years back, it I think current Hive Mind fashion is for clarity over style) as the trope doesn't necessarily mean peril.

    Pent Up Powers Malfunction could work if we could agree on the malfunction part. It has the Powers to indicate personal abilities, the "Pent Up" bit works because we've identified that it is the bottling up of those abilities, and of course the "malfuction" part which seems to be generally agreed upon to signify that things are going to be going wrong (whether causing life-ending consequences or just Hi-Jinks, depending on the mood of the work).

    Everybody gets a bit of what they want with that, and it does seem to include the various trope parts. I think we should be looking for compromise now to come to consensus rather than get caught up with being the Trope Namer. I mean we could sit here for another 175 comments thinking up ever more new names, but I think the list we already have is more than enough and we should be looking to winnow them down and come together now instead of going around and around again. Lets not let the perfect be the enemy of the good here.

    The only fresh thing I'd like to put on the table would be "No Real Life Examples" because it is only a matter of time before a Troper Tales-er edits in something about needing to go to the gym and punch bags because they are so full of rage at school-their family-etc. I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned already in fact.
  • February 22, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    If you don't like alliteration for some reason The current's actually fine. think it's lame now that were going Political Correctness Gone Mad enforcing SPOON, PLATTER is the best course of action, IMO.

    also, there is no trope namer on Pent Up Power Peril. I just prefer that because I think it's classy. I'm a PLATTER Mother Flocker.
  • February 22, 2014
    CrypticMirror
    I'm just having a moment of nostalgia for the days when you could nominate a trope name like The Doctor Bombay Emergency and have a fighting chance of it being accepted /jk. I do now understand why it is infeasible in the wiki's current form and with the current readership and reach. Just wish for my own sake that I'd learned that before I came within a hair of being permabanned from the entire site. I'm just playing it safe these days until I can sufficiently prove I'm with the program, if I ever can I was pretty badly behaved at one point and it wouldn't surprise me if Eddie and Fighteer decided I was permanently on probation.

    Back on topic though. I'd still like it to be powers rather than just power, I think that is more inclusive. I do think peril is leaning a bit too far towards it always being dangerous or dramatic and leaves the more comedic examples a bit unincluded if you see what I mean. However, I am aware there is no perfectly fitting name, and I'd just like to get one everyone is happy with, or if not happy at least tolerating.

    I do really feel I'd like this to be No Real Life Examples though.
  • February 22, 2014
    Stratadrake
    The current title is bland but fine (or would that be fine but bland?).
  • February 22, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    ^^ I can tolerate any variation not involving "magic". as i cannot read magic as anything other than "sorcery but not superpowers". Dr Strange is a superhero because he wears "tights" and things that come with it like "superpowers", but is a magician. Ms Marvel is a superhero for the same reason, but not a magician. with this we can say "magic" is narrower than power, because Magic is a subset of power.

    We don't need to put No Real Life Examples I guess. Real people don't have superpowers.
  • February 22, 2014
    CrypticMirror
    I don't really see the difference between magic and superpowers (or their Science Fiction equivalent, quantum-energy). Superpowers are magic, it is all about which genre the reader is coming from and prefers. The examples cover both "magic" and "superpowers" and magic super-power quantum sci-fi stuff, and frankly the description is equally inclusive. However, if it will get a title agreed on then I'll go with anything.
  • February 22, 2014
    crazysamaritan
    While you guys are discussing the "true name", don't forget to keep two or three as redirects. Very few are bad names, here.
  • February 22, 2014
    DAN004
    So what, should we use Phlebotinum? (That covers many things, including magic and energy. Redirects can use magic and/or energy.)
  • February 22, 2014
    CrypticMirror
    Phlebotinum fails the Clarity party of Clear Concise Witty. Long term tropers know what it is, more or less, but newbies and casual browsers don't and shouldn't really be expected to.
  • February 22, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ that's what the redirects are for.

    But for the time being, I'm liking the new title.
  • February 22, 2014
    troacctid
    Pent-Up Powers Malfunction implies that it's the "Powers Malfunction" that's pent-up.

    The trope still doesn't require malfunction, though. Something as harmless as "minor discomfort" qualifies just fine. And of course they can just vent out the extra energy and never end up overloading.
  • February 22, 2014
    xanderiskander
    ^ If all the buildup of power does is cause "minor discomfort" then it's just a downplayed version of the trope. If they vent it all out before anything bad happens that's an Averted Trope. Downplayed Tropes and aversions aren't important enough to be included in the title anyway. A "malfunction" implies a failure to work properly, and it covers the broadest amount of side effects possible including losing control of their powers and the character exploding because of the excess power.

    But yeah I don't like the current title either. I'd honestly prefer Excess Super Power Malfunction if we don't want to use the word "Magic" for the reasons you mentioned. And then maybe use the magic version of the title as a redirect.

    Also we should probably include Angst Nuke in the description too, for when characters who explode because of this just end up harming everything around them to vent the power instead of themselves.
  • February 22, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ I like that too.
  • February 24, 2014
    Larkmarn
    My issue with Pent Up Phlebetonium is that it sounds like Holding Back The Phlebotinum.

    Pent Up Power Peril just... sorta sounds like a word salad.

    The other two in the green I'm... okay with.
  • February 24, 2014
    DAN004
  • February 25, 2014
    Stratadrake
    ^^ That's a common calamity with many cases of alliterative ideas.
  • February 25, 2014
    xanderiskander
    I thought we came to the conclusion that the titles with buildup in them weren't good because buildup just means "stuff accumulates" which doesn't describe the trope well? We had similar issues with the other titles.

    And we also have new names that aren't in there. Should we make a new title crowner?
  • February 25, 2014
    axelsonfire
    Wow, I just came in here to give an example and walked in on a mess of a title naming situation. I figured out the trope perfectly from the title that's there.

    Either way, here's my example:

    • In the Magic or Madness trilogy, the magic users in the story have to use up a little bit of their magic every once in awhile, or else they start to go crazy.
  • February 25, 2014
    CrypticMirror
    I vote we just launch with what is here now, it is good enough. All dragging it out with more options and yet another crowner is going to do is have it rumble for another 193 comments and still end up with everyone wanting to have their chosen name. Ask a mod to pick one by moderator fiat if we have to, but lets just have a speedy decision.
  • February 25, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ That's why I'm suggesting making a copy YKTTW so ppl will recognize it more without the clunky comments.

    BTW I have many better ideas for the trope name, but yeah, I guess I have to go with the one above.
  • February 25, 2014
    Lakija
    ^I think you should start up a new YKTTW without all the arguing. I also suggest a runoff crowner, as I see some clear predilections, but no consensus on the title.

    I don't see what the rush is to send it out. It's not hurting anyone to make this clear, concise, and well named. Quality is what we're aiming for, I should think. It has been a while, but get it right before you launch it into orbit.

  • February 25, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ Yay? :D
  • February 25, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    so we're having two YKTTW? I think this is a great idea. discuss here, examples there.

    EDIT: there, changed the title.
  • February 26, 2014
    troacctid
    I thought we came to the conclusion that the titles with buildup in them weren't good because buildup just means "stuff accumulates" which doesn't describe the trope well?

    No we didn't. Shanghai Slave has just been opposing it really vocally. In fact, quite the opposite is true: Magic Pressure Buildup is currently winning the title crowner.

    It's a great keyword for this trope, and even if you think the word by itself is too ambiguous, I don't see how you could make the same claim once it's accompanied by "Pressure."
  • February 26, 2014
    JoieDeCombat
    The only problem that I think most of us were having with "buildup" is that the word by itself does not necessarily imply that the buildup is dangerous.

    The inclusion of "pressure" covers that part pretty handily, since phrases like "pressure buildup" do imply trouble ahead if the buildup isn't managed in some way. Same goes for the next highest option in the crowner, which uses the phrase "dangerous buildup" instead.
  • February 26, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    troacctid

    funny, pretty sure my argument has always been "names that use just buildup do not work".

    Magic Pressure Buildup sucks by the way. because magic. Power gets an advantage for alliteration here.
  • February 26, 2014
    CrypticMirror
    Nothing inherently wrong with it being magic. That is going to boil down to personal preference in viewing/reading genres. Power, magic, quantum, they're all the weird the same weird wacky stuff that allows the story to work.
  • February 26, 2014
    xanderiskander
    @troacctid: A Consensus means a majority opinion. As far as I can tell you're the only person vocally defending Buildup for the name. Which means since several others besides Shanghai agree it doesn't describe the negative consequences of this trope well enough then we DO have a consensus. Also that crowner is old, the conversation has changed since that crowner was made, and new names have popped up that aren't in it. That's why a couple of us have been asking about making a new crowner.

    Also about the "Magic" vs "Power" debate. We can make redirect titles for one or the other. We don't need to worry about that so much. And apparently at least axelsonfire got the current name just fine without reading the trope description. So maybe making it Pentup Power Malfunction with Pent Up Magic Malfunction as a redirect would be fine.
  • February 26, 2014
    ShanghaiSlave
    Well in that case i'm fine as long as it describes the buildup and the side effect.
  • February 26, 2014
    DAN004
    So are we agreeing with Pent Up Power Malfunction? Cuz I am.
  • February 27, 2014
    JoieDeCombat
    It's not my favorite, but I don't have any particular objection to it either.
  • February 27, 2014
    Stratadrake
    I like "Powers" over "Power" because the plural form is more clearly about "power" as in magic/superpowers.
  • February 27, 2014
    CrypticMirror
    ^ I too prefer "powers", for the same reason.
  • February 27, 2014
    xanderiskander
    Sorry I think that was a typo. I probably mistyped powers as "power". I think that name is good too though.

    My only hang up was someone thought it could be misunderstood, but other people seem to understand it fine.
  • March 5, 2014
    DAN004
    Bump
  • March 6, 2014
    wizardcrying
    Voted for Pent Up Power Peril because it's fitting and because it has Added Alliterative Appeal, which is always good.
  • March 7, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ eh, not alliterative enough. :P
  • March 7, 2014
    wizardcrying
    ^ I ACCEPT THINE CHALLENGE.

    Praised Pent Up Power Peril for being powerful and for possessing Added Alliterative Appeal.
  • April 14, 2014
    Hero_Gal_2347
    Anyone else want to weigh in?
  • May 18, 2014
    DAN004
    Bump, gonna take over if nobody else does
  • May 18, 2014
    Daefaroth
  • May 18, 2014
    partner555
    Using the word Occult seems too restrictive.
  • May 19, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi

    Visual Novel

    • One of the heroines in Shuffle resents her inhuman nature to the point she refuses to use the magic that comes with it and the magic buildup takes heavy toll on her health. Out of desperation for his lover, protagonist literally cuts his wrists in front of her, thus forcing her to spend her magic on healing him.
  • May 19, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
    This trope is an Involuntary Self Mana Burn (upd: nevermind, even MTG dropped that rule in 2010 >_>;)

  • May 19, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
    Power Use Obligation, that's what it is. And real-life examples would be cases of claused long-term contracts for natural gas or electric power or other commodities supply. If a customer has consumed too little, tariffs increase or fines are applied. Because it's a major pain for supplier figure micromanaging serious scale generating facilities.
  • July 31, 2014
    Hero_Gal_2347
    This one needs to be launched.
  • July 31, 2014
    DAN004
    Are we in consensus with the title?
  • July 31, 2014
    Noah1
    I'm voting for either Magic Buildup or Pent Up Power Peril.
  • August 5, 2014
    Mr.Movie
    Webcomics
    • In the El Goonish Shive arc "Sister II", a major plot point is the fact that Elliot and Ellen "awaken", a process after which their magical powers will be more powerful and developed. One side effect of this is that during the process, magic must be routinely utilized, otherwise it will build up and be used involuntarily.
  • August 8, 2014
    DAN004
    Final bump

Three days must pass before this YKTTW is Launchworthy or Discardable