Created By: onyhowNovember 25, 2009
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To Stop It We Must Do It

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Do We Have This? I just can't find it...(or I suck?)

So you want to stop a war forever...what are you going to do? Cause a war!

Basically, you have an idea you want to fulfill, but to do that, you must go against the very idea that you stand by it. Most of the time, the hero will know of the hypocrisy of this.
Example:
  • Maymai Alliance in Spectral Force Genesis want to disarm all military, but to do it, it must stage a war.
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  • November 25, 2009
    Optimystic
    • Watchmen: in order to stop people from killing each other, kill a whole lot more than they ever could in one go. Or something like that.
    • Golden Sun: Restoring Alchemy might destroy the world, and will most likely cause wars. Not restoring Alchemy will detroy the world eventually.

    Possible page quote: Si vis pacem para bellum (If you want peace, prepare for war).
  • November 25, 2009
    Blork
    In Assassins Creed 2, one of Altair's Codex pages lists what he considers the three ironies at the heart of the Assassins - They seek peace, which they try to obtain through murder. They seek to free the minds of men, but require obedience to a leader and a set of rules. They seek to expose the dangers of faith, but use it themselves. He goes on to say that he is trying to find a way to resolve the contradiction but fears that no solution exists.
  • November 25, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    Many Gundam Villains. Also Pein from Naruto, who wants to end all wars by giving people the ultimate weapon of mass destruction.
  • November 25, 2009
    ViktorCrowford
    Fight Fire With Fire for the title. It's a common phrase to describe this sentiment. Also, used (albeit not verbatim) by Shakespeare. And by Metallica.
  • November 25, 2009
    onyhow
    @Viktor Crowford: I was thinking about that title at first, but grew unsure that does the title include only the methodology or also include the ideology too...

    Anyone have suggestion for index?
  • November 25, 2009
    Blunderbuss
    The protagonists of Gundam00 seek to end global conflict by attacking anyone who causes military aggression.

    I second Fight Fire With Fire. Or maybe something that points to the hypocrisy of it, like Do As I Say Not As I Do?
  • November 25, 2009
    ViktorCrowford
    The original meaning was literal, and meant that small, controlled fires were started in order to prevent a bigger one. In my opinion, it has since evolved to mean "doing the thing you want to stop in order to stop it". So yes, it also includes the ideology, or rather, the justification.
  • November 25, 2009
    Optimystic
    • Gearsof War 2: To stop the Horde from sinking humanity, Marcus and Dom decide to sink Jacinto.
    • Bleach: To stop high-level Hollow, some Shinigami put hollow masks on (becoming Vizard.) To stop high-level Shinigami, some Hollow take their masks OFF (becoming Arrancar.) Arrancar also wield Zanpakuto like Shinigami do.
    • Code Geass plays this one very straight.

  • November 25, 2009
    KJMackley
    Some specific Gundam examples: Gundam Wing has Zechs desire to cause such intense devastation to Earth that war loses all appeal. In Endless Waltz this is partially the reason Wufei switches sides and fights against the Gundam Pilots, which is explained more in supplimentary materials.

    Fight Fire With Fire means more along the lines of "They hit us first, we hit them back the same way" and not "Starting what you're trying to stop."
  • November 25, 2009
    onyhow
    @KJ Mackley: Yeah, that's why I'm not quite sure of that title.
  • November 25, 2009
    Premonition_45
  • November 26, 2009
    onyhow
    Wait, for the title...Para Bellum? From the quote Optimystic gives? (is it really mean "prepare for war"?)
  • November 26, 2009
    Frodo Goofball CoTV
    Real Life: World War I was also known as "The War To End All Wars". Obviously that didn't work out quite as hoped....
  • November 26, 2009
    Unknown Troper
    Final Fantasy VIII, of course, features the master plan to prevent Ultimecia from compressing time: Let her compress time and jump her ass while she does that.
  • November 26, 2009
    Nate the Great
    Does Basil setting off the deathtrap early in The Great Mouse Detective count?
  • November 26, 2009
    Iphigenia
    Real Life: In the Vietnam War, an army officer was quoted as saying "We had to destroy the village in order to save it". (Possibly an Urban Legend.)

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