Created By: ilniajApril 28, 2013 Last Edited By: ilniajMay 4, 2013
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Defeat Means Respect

A villain gets defeated but the defeat causes them to view the winner as a worthy opponent.

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"Shepard. You are becoming an annoyance."
-- Harbinger, Mass Effect 2: Arrival

The Dragon spends his whole first appearance insulting or belittling the hero. After being defeated he considers the hero a Worthy Opponent. This is different from Defeat Means Friendship because the opponent is still an enemy to the victor but it can eventually evolve into friendship. Compare Graceful Loser and Touche.

Anime And Manga

  • In Gurren Lagann, Viral, who starts off as utterly contemptuous of our heroes, respects his opponents more and more with each consecutive defeat.
  • Kagato in Tenchi Muyo expresses admiration and respect for both the hero, Tenchi, and the goddess Tsunami who granted him his power. See the page quote for Graceful Loser.
  • You're Under Arrest!: Strike Man comes to regard Natsumi as his arch nemesis, whom he dubs as "the infamous Homerun Girl", after she repeatedly knocks each of his pitches out of the park. Their alleged rivalry is one-sided, as Natsumi thinks he's a nutjob, and would rather not have to put up with him.

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Video Games

  • In Mass Effect the Reapers treat each cycle's resistance to being culled as futile (a speed bump at most), but by the end of Mass Effect 2 their leader Harbinger begins to acknowledge just how unexpectedly difficult humanity and Commander Shepard in particular is making this cycle.
  • In The Elder Scrolls IV Oblivion, your characters' role in the Battle of Kvatch earns them respect from the Dremora who were besieging the town.
  • This is a fairly regular trope in Grand Theft Auto games, particularly Vice City, where you set up a crew by proving you're better than each of your specialists in their specialty.
Community Feedback Replies: 15
  • April 28, 2013
    StarSword
    Page quote:
    "Shepard. You are becoming an annoyance."
    -- Harbinger, Mass Effect 2: Arrival

    Video Games:
    • In Mass Effect the Reapers treat each cycle's resistance to being culled as futile (a speed bump at most), but by the end of Mass Effect 2 their leader Harbinger begins to acknowledge just how unexpectedly difficult humanity and Commander Shepard in particular is making this cycle.

    EDIT: Oops, wrong DLC. Fixed.
  • April 28, 2013
    313Bluestreak
    If the character gets defeated only to become a friend, then it's Defeat Means Friendship.
  • April 28, 2013
    gallium
    Film

  • April 28, 2013
    Astaroth
    Compare Graceful Loser

  • April 28, 2013
    ilniaj
    @Star Sword: Could you correct the DLC so that I can put up the page quote.
  • April 28, 2013
    surgoshan
    • This is a fairly regular trope in Grand Theft Auto games, particularly Vice City, where you set up a crew by proving you're better than each of your specialists in their specialty.
  • April 28, 2013
    StarSword
    ^^I fixed it when I caught the error but I couldn't tell you earlier (tech support had to stake some Data Vampires).
  • April 29, 2013
    TheHandle
    In Gurren Lagann, Viral, who starts off as utterly contemptuous of our heroes, respects his opponents more and more with each consecutive defeat.
  • April 29, 2013
    KingZeal
    You might want to explain the difference between this and Touche, if there is any.

    • Kagato in Tenchi Muyo expresses admiration and respect for both the hero, Tenchi, and the goddess Tsunami who granted him his power. See the page quote for Graceful Loser.
  • April 29, 2013
    StarSword
    ^Touche is a loser being a good loser and graciously admitting defeat. That's a Compare situation.
  • April 29, 2013
    313Bluestreak
    Defeat Means Friendship is being stated twice.
  • April 30, 2013
    ilniaj
    @313Bluestreak: Fixed.
  • May 3, 2013
    MiinU

    Anime and Manga

    • You're Under Arrest!: Strike Man comes to regard Natsumi as his arch nemesis, whom he dubs as "the infamous Homerun Girl", after she repeatedly knocks each of his pitches out of the park. Their alleged rivalry is one-sided, as Natsumi thinks he's a nutjob, and would rather not have to put up with him.

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