Created By: surgoshan on July 4, 2012 Last Edited By: DAN004 on January 29, 2016
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Gendered Insult

Insult a person by playing the \"gender\" card

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Whatever the reality of gender, the fact is that it has a lot of baggage tied to it, physical and cultural. It comes with expectations. And this trope is about people who defy stereotypes. Or who live up to them. Or who don't, but the person thinks they did. Or maybe someone just needs an insult and something about gender is handy. Insulting your gender is easily as handy as insulting Your Mom.

This can be expressed in multiple ways (this is not an exhaustive list):

  • Insulting a guy/girl for not conforming to his gender (ie. You like clothes? That's a girl thing.)
  • Insulting a guy/girl for conforming to her gender (perhaps Stop Being Stereotypical, perhaps just "girls suck at math")
  • Calling a guy/girl with the wrong gender as an insult

This is related to Acceptable Feminine Goals and Traits and its non-existent Spear Counterpart. It also finds itself crossing not just gender, but sexuality (accusations of homosexuality).

It's incredibly common for some characters to throw these out as a matter of course: the Heteronormative Crusader and Drill Sergeant Nasty.

Note: For Real Life examples, be sure to be cautious.

Supertrope to: This Is for Emphasis, Bitch!

Indices: Insult Tropes


Examples

Comic Books
  • In Starman 80-page Giant, there's a story featuring "The Little O'Dares (And Partrolman Clarence)" in which young Hope O'Dare tells one of her brothers "You throw more like a girl than I do!"

Film
  • One of the girls stuck at the retraining camp in But I'm a Cheerleader eventually blows up in protest; she's not gay, she likes boys! She just happens to also like keeping her hair cut short and playing sports! The entire film is a giant parody and Take That at the Heteronormative Crusader and approved gender roles.
  • Harold & Kumar establishes Harold's character early, when he evinces enjoyment of Sixteen Candles, to Kumar's open disgust.
    Harold: Whatever, it's a beautiful story.
    Kumar: Homo.
  • Van Wilder. At one point early in the film,the title character throws a cross-dressing pajama party. This his father walks in on him making out with someone in a closet, and sees him wearing lipstick in a teddy.
    Van Sr.: Sweet Jesus my son's a fairy.
    (Girl appears.)
    Van Sr.: Oh, thank God.
  • Pete of I Love You, Man faces a lot of subtle and not so subtle scorn and derision for his metrosexual characteristics and lack of guy friends. At the poker game, he faces a storm of abuse from the host for not playing his masculinity right.
  • Thor. The title character is grudgingly willing to leave Jotunheim without a fight, until Laufey says something.
    Laufey: Run back home, little princess.
    Loki: Damn.
  • In Aliens, Hudson attempts to insult Vasquez with this. She turns it right back around on him.
    Hudson: Have you ever been mistaken for a man?
    Vasquez: No. Have you?
  • In The Sandlot, Ham and the leader of the local Little League team exchange a variety of childish insults. Ham wins when he says "You play ball like a girl!"
  • In The Shawshank Redemption the head bull casually insults the prisoners by calling them "ladies."
  • Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery. Dr. Evil's assassin Random Task tries to kill Austin by throwing his shoe at him. Instead being killed Austin just gets a bump on the head. He's so disgusted that he tells Random Task "Really, you fight like a woman."

Literature
  • The Realm of the Elderlings does this deliberately to invoke setting, when it shows up. The first and third trilogies take place in the fairly egalitarian society of the Six Duchies, in which gender roles are more fluid; women can be warriors and no one gives it a second thought. The second and fourth trilogies take place in the far more gendered society of Bingtown; Althea is repeatedly attacked for being masculine in the second trilogy, and Sedric is too feminine in the fourth.
    Sedric: I just like things to be nice!
  • Theon Grayjoy throws some insults at his sister, who he feels is unacceptably mannish, in A Song of Ice and Fire. His unhappiness is increased by the fact that he had been trying to get in her pants without knowing she was his sister, on learning that she is his father's favorite, and that his people see him as unacceptably womanish.
  • Discworld
    • Monstrous Regiment. Borogravia is an Expy of a war-torn Eastern European nation with a rigidly backward authoritarian religion that forces women to wear dresses and head scarves and only do women's worknote . The book follows a plucky Sweet Polly Oliver as she sheds these notions and helps usher in a new era for the nation, and explores some notions of gender norms and what exactly is an Abomination?
    • The Fifth Elephant. Ha'ak is a very serious insult in Dwarfish. We aren't told what it means, but it's applied to a (female) dwarf who displays Tertiary Sexual Characteristics, to the point that Cheery nearly breaks down in tears and Detritus proclaims he will shoot the next dwarf to say the word with his Piecemaker.
  • Dua from The Gods Themselves was called Left-em when she was young (a long story involving Bizarre Alien Sexes).
  • A common sight in the Tortall Universe because one of the main themes is sexism and misogyny. Most prevalent in the Protector of the Small quartet, though. The heroine, Kel, is the first known female to try for knighthood in a century (the only other Lady Knight disguised herself as a boy). Among the various insults thrown at Kel: girls are not as strong, girls are too emotional, etc.
  • In R Scott Bakker's The Disciple Of The Dog, Disciple Manning Lampshades and Parodies this trope by implying that only women listen to Kelly Clarkson. A female character snarkily comments, "Let me guess, you hate Kelly Clarkson," to which Disciple responds, "Not at all. I love her. Every time I hear a Kelly Clarkson song, it makes me want to draw a hot bath, light some candles, and shave my vagina."
  • Myron Bolitar Series - whenever Myron displays loyalty or affection for his currently girlfriend, Win calls him a girl as an insult.

Live-Action TV
  • Ross and Chandler on Friends, hoo boy.
    • One early episode focused on how everyone thought Chandler was gay when they met him, and it became a running gag. He was metrosexual before it was really a thing, complimented the women's clothes, and preferred to watch the parade rather than the game on Thanksgiving.
      Rachel: Seriously, ESPN, just have it on in the background sometimes.
    • Ross, on the other hand, wore soft clothing (tweeds, sweaters) in pastel colors (actor David Schwimmer's preference), though he tried to dissemble by calling a shirt "salmon" rather than "pink". A number of jokes revolved around his lack of manliness.
      Ross: She doesn't think I'm man enough to play this? I could play this!
      Joey: Ross, you're not even man enough to order the channel.
  • How I Met Your Mother loves to insult Ted and Marshall for not being manly enough. On multiple occasions, they're derided by the group and called women (even by the women) for being sensitive or caring about their appearance.
    Ted: You know what I need?
    Lily: A vagina?
  • JD on Scrubs, beginning with the first episode and lasting until he left the show. His mentor, Cox, almost never called him by his name, but by a different girl's name every episode.
  • On Everybody Loves Raymond, Frank will call his son Raymond "Nancy" when criticizing him for doing or handling something in what he thinks is an unmanly fashion.
  • Bones
    • The title character occasionally gets attacked for not being "a girl", meaning when she doesn't act like a gentle, supportive, June Cleaver type.
    • One episode sees an agent very upset to learn that a case he'd been working for thirty years had gotten a plea deal behind his back, and was called a little girl for complaining about it. 9 years for the death of a cop, thirty years of work, and he gets called a little girl for being unhappy.
  • Psych
    • An early episode takes a brief detour into Shawn insulting his father's lifestyle choices, accusing him of being metrosexual for fake tanning, taking a bubble bath, and cooking a roast. It quickly devolves into a fight about "real men".
    • In a second season episode:
      • Shawn learns that Lassiter has a thing for horses.
      Shawn: ... when he was little, Lassie wanted nothing more than a pony.
      Lassiter: beat Well, who didn't?
      Gus: Anyone who wasn't an eight-year-old girl.
      • Later in the same episode:
      Shawn: When I left my dad's...
      Gus: You mean stormed out like a little girl?
  • On 30 Rock, mainly in earlier episodes, Jack would insult Liz by calling her mannish or telling her to shop at a women's clothing store. The show's third episode ("Blind Date") centers around him assuming that she's a lesbian.
  • On Angel Spike loves to call Angel a Nancy-boy. One example was his mocking narration in 'In the Dark' where he refers to Angel's hair gel that way.
  • When Oliver's learning to fight with a blade on the island in Arrow's flashbacks, he's told that he has "no skill. To say you fight like a girl would be a compliment." Later, he's unfavorably compared to a girl scout.
    Oliver: You been fighting a lot of girl scouts? Ow!
  • The West Wing
    • When Sam one-ups Lionel Tribbey in an argument about Gilbert and Sullivan by asking if Tribbey was the recording secretary of his university's G&S society, Tribbey's response is "No, but then again I'm not a woman."
    • When Sam is out-debated by Ainsley Hayes on a Sunday morning show, the other senior staffers are particularly entertained that he was "beaten by a girl."
    • One female government staffer isn't pleased with Sam criticizing a piece of language by saying "it sounds like a high school girl wrote it" and wants to know why he thinks a girl's writing would be any more amateurish than a high school boy's. He gets defensive and then reiterates that "it sounds like a girl to me" when the meeting is over.
  • On That '70s Show, Jackie would often make fun of Donna for her mannish clothes, comparing her to a lumberjack.
  • The Mythbusters tested the "throws like a girl" insult. Result: it's all training, nothing to do with in-born differences.
  • On Mystery Science Theater 3000, the host and the bots frequently call each other "femme", implying an activity is unmanly. This happens more frequently in the episodes in which Mike is the host, and it comes off as rather childish (Mike and the bots tend to be very immature).
  • In the Lizzie McGuire episode "One of the Guys," Kate makes fun of Lizzie for being called a "dude" by Ethan. Never mind that Ethan clearly did not mean it as an insult.
  • The Bazura Project, an Australian series comedically examining "Sinema with an S", had a segment examining this. The white male hosts show a slew of clips from movies with men calling women "bitch", "whore", etc, which they see nothing wrong with, but take exception to the final clip, where a woman calls a man a "jerk". They then talk about racial insults, once again seeing nothing wrong with insults towards minorities, but being offended by "What are you gonna do about it, whitey?"
  • In Blackadder II "Potato" Captain Rum refers to anyone who hasn't got roughed up by the sea as having a woman's [blank]
    Rum: You have a woman's hand, milord! I'll wager these dainty pinkies never weighed anchor in a storm.
    Rum: You have a woman's purse! I'll wager that purse has never been used as a rowing-boat. I'll wager it's never had sixteen shipwrecked mariners tossing in it.
    Rum: You have a woman's mouth, milord! I'll wager that mouth never had to chew through the side of a ship to escape the dreadful spindly killer fish.
    Rum: You have a woman's legs, my lord! I'll wager those are legs that have never been sliced clean off by a falling sail, and swept into the sea before your very eyes.
    Blackadder: Well, neither have yours.
    Rum: That's where you're wrong.
    Rum: [to the queen] You have a woman's bottom, my Lady! I'll wager that sweet round pair of peaches has never been forced 'twixt two splintered planks, to plug a leak and save a ship!
    Queen: Certainly hasn't, and I'm quite pleased about it!
  • Cookie in Empire called Jamal's boyfriend 'Dora' and accused Lucius of 'growing a vagina'.
  • The Commish: When Tony takes over coaching his son's basketball team, he calls them girls in order to motivate them. Eventually he gets called on his overly complex plays and pushing the kids by Wilt Chamberlain, and just lets them play and enjoy themselves.

Professional Wrestling
  • TCW heel "Golden Boy" Greg Anthony is often greeted with a Crowd Chant of "Golden Girl! Golden Girl!"

Theater
  • Insulting men by calling them bitches (female dogs) goes back to at least the sixteenth century, showing up in various plays, including the works of Shakespeare.
  • The Ancient Greece playwright Aristophanes heaped abuse on a notorious homosexual in several of his comedies. Roasting prominent audience members was considered par for the course, though, so it's not quite as awful as it might seem. YMMV, though, as he was quite conservative, making him somewhat the Glenn Beck of his day...

TV Tropes

Video Games
  • Unsurprisingly, the Joker is quite the misogynist in Batman: Arkham Asylum.
    • On one occasion:
    Joker: If you weren't hiding in the shadows - like a little girl! - this would be over so much faster.
    • The sequel also throws in random insults between the many, many prisoners of Arkham City, directed at each other, Batman, and some of the super criminals.

Web Animation
  • The Weebl & Bob song "Amazing Horse" includes the line "Shut up, woman, get on my horse!". The site writes the following comment to the song: "A song about how women's rights have improved as the use of horses for transport has declined."

Web Comics
  • Parodied by Oglaf in the episode "Amazon Linguistics", where one amazon is trying to insult another by suggesting that she's not a man, and things like that, and the second amazon keeps ignoring the insults to comment on the usage.

Western Animation
  • Futurama's Zap Brannigan certainly isn't intended to be sympathetic.
    Zap: Kif, I was just thinking... Oh, I'm sorry. You're crying. Like a woman.
  • Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy
    • In one episode, Double D using a sewing machine to repair a ripped seam in a curtain, to which Eddy remarks, "Gee, Double D, I never knew you were into girl stuff", which Double D exclaims, "Household tasks are not just for girls, Eddy!"
    • Also throughout the series, Double D is seen having loofah sponges in his possession; again, in one episode, Eddy remarks, "You actually use one of those things?"
    • In "Quick Shot Ed", the Eds act like nature photographers while taking pictures of other cul-de-sac kids for a calendar; while observing Jimmy playing with dolls with Sarah, Double D offers this explanation: "Sometimes animals get confused, and adapt to another animal's habits."
  • When SpongeBob SquarePants is training Gary for a race, he calls him a girl, saying that it's a motivational tactic that coaches use. Meanwhile, miles away, Sandy gets the urge to kick SpongeBob's butt tomorrow.
  • The Simpsons: The Nuclear Power Plant goes to baseball game as a group outing. Mr. Burns weakly thows out the first pitch. Bart & Lisa have fun heckling him.
    Bart: You throw like my sister, man!
    Lisa: Yeah, you throw like me!
  • Archer: Bad Boss Malory Archer occasionally refers to the gay and somewhat effeminate field agent Ray Gillette with female pronouns to insult him.

Real Life
  • Anne Hutchison caused quite a stir in 17th century Boston when she started a schism in the church, preaching her own brand of Puritan doctrine. She and her family were eventually exiled, and one of the charges she was found guilty of was stepping out of her place as a woman and "making of thyself an Husband".
  • Homosexuality
    • It wasn't quite as common in ancient Greece as the plays might lead you to believe; it was more an affectation of the upper class. However, there were two ways to practice, and only one was acceptable. Being on the receiving end was unmanly and known bottoms were ridiculed in public for it.
    • Ancient Rome treated homosexuality much the same way. It was okay to be a top; it made you even more manly. Being a bottom made you a woman and that was bad.
  • Sports: Take any group of boys playing a sport...someone will get told they hit/kick/whatever like a girl. Given the rise of young girls in sports like soccer, this can be true, even if they are a girl. It's still insulting.
  • In Norse society, receiving an insult like this was legal ground for to challenge the one who gave it to you to a duel to the death. That is unless the insult was true, which means you were probably an object of public mockery and may even be kicked out of the tribe soon.
  • Aicha said to her son Muhammad XII, the last Sultan of Grenada that:
    —"Now you weep like a woman over what you could not defend as a man."

Community Feedback Replies: 89
  • October 26, 2012
    billybobfred
    Oh hey, I was about to add a YKTTW like this myself.

    (unrelated: the hottip markup is outdated, we use [[note]] now) (tho neither one shows up in ykttw)
  • November 3, 2012
    WeAreAllKosh
    On Everybody Loves Raymond, Frank will sometimes call his son Raymond "Nancy" when criticizing him for doing or handling something in what he thinks is an unmanly fashion.
  • December 4, 2012
    Chabal2
    Also from Discworld (The Fifth Elephant): Ha'ak is a very serious insult in Dwarfish. We aren't told what it means, but it's applied to a (female) dwarf who displays Tertiary Sexual Characteristics, to the point that Cheery nearly breaks down in tears and Detritus proclaims he will shoot the next dwarf to say the word with his Piecemaker.
  • December 6, 2012
    chicagomel
    Angel Spike loves to call Angel a Nancy-boy. One example was his mocking narration in 'In the Dark' where he refers to Angel's hair gel that way.

    Sports: Take any group of boys playing a sport...someone will get told they hit/kick/whatever like a girl. (Idk,this might fall under no modern examples and be not usable.)
  • December 6, 2012
    Random888
    On Thirty Rock, mainly in earlier episodes, Jack would insult Liz by calling her mannish or telling her to shop at a women's clothing store. The show's third episode ("Blind Date") centers around him assuming that she's a lesbian.
  • December 7, 2012
    ribbonworm
    In Aliens, Hudson attempts to insult Vasquez with this. She turns it right back around on him.
    Hudson: Have you ever been mistaken for a man?
    Vasquez: No. Have you?
  • December 7, 2012
    Xtifr
    Webcomics
    • Parodied by Oglaf in the episode "Amazon Linguistics", where one amazon is trying to insult another by suggesting that she's not a man, and things like that, and the second amazon keeps ignoring the insults to comment on the usage.
  • December 8, 2012
    Waterlily
    "Sports: Take any group of boys playing a sport...someone will get told they hit/kick/whatever like a girl. (Idk,this might fall under no modern examples and be not usable.)"

    In The Sandlot, Ham and the leader of the local Little League team exchange a variety of childish insults. Ham wins when he tells him that he plays ball like a girl.
  • December 17, 2012
    randomsurfer
    In The Shawshank Redemption the head bull casually insults the prisoners by calling them "ladies."
  • December 17, 2012
    Cider
    In Norse society, receiving an insult like this was legal ground for to challenge the one who gave it to you to a dual to the death. That is unless the insult was true, which means you were probably an object of public mockery and may even be kicked out of the tribe soon.
  • June 9, 2013
    Skylite
    Common for Drill Sergeant Nasty to refer to his new recruits as "ladies". Often true with the coach version of this in high school sports.
  • June 9, 2013
    oneuglybunny
    Real Life
    • When Mia Hamm and U.S. Team won the Women's World Football Cup in 1999, they co-opted the insult "You play like a girl" into a battle cry. Aptly so, seeing that the U.S. Men's Team has never won the World Cup.
  • June 9, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    I think Double Standard Insult would be a better name for this YKTTW
  • June 9, 2013
    abloke
    Is this really one trope, or is it a few vaguely related concepts thrown together? It's a lot more political than it has to be, at any rate.
  • June 9, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    Also this might be related to Stay In The Kitchen
  • June 9, 2013
    eowynjedi
    • The West Wing: When Sam one-ups Lionel Tribbey in an argument about Gilbert And Sullivan by asking if Tribbey was the recording secretary of his university's G&S society, Tribbey's response is "No, but then again I'm not a woman."
  • June 9, 2013
    TonyG
    About the Scrubs example: Carla doesn't call J.D. Bambi because it's a girl's name, but because he's inexperienced and naive, like a baby deer.
  • June 9, 2013
    Surgoshan
    Next you're going to try and tell me that Bambi was a boy deer. BAMBI LI Ek DFLOWERS WHAT A GURL
  • Western Animation
    • Ed Edd N Eddy: In one episode, Double D using a sewing machine to repair a ripped seam in a curtain, to which Eddy remarks, "Gee, Double D, I never knew you were into girl stuff", which Double D exclaims, "Household tasks are not just for girls, Eddy!"
      • Also throughout the series, Double D is seen having loofah sponges in his possession; again, in one episode, Eddy remarks, "You actually use one of those things?"
      • In "Quick Shot Ed", the Eds act like nature photographers while taking pictures of other cul-de-sac kids for a calendar; while observing Jimmy playing with dolls with Sarah, Double D offers this explanation: "Sometimes animals get confused, and adapt to another animal's habits."
  • June 9, 2013
    eowynjedi
    Oh, a couple more West Wing examples (a lot of these happen from and around Sam...)
    • When Sam is out-debated by Ainsley Hayes on a Sunday morning show, the other senior staffers are particularly entertained that he was "beaten by a girl."
    • One female government staffer isn't pleased with Sam criticizing a piece of language by saying "it sounds like a high school girl wrote it" and wants to know why he thinks a girl's writing would be any more amateurish than a high school boy's. He gets defensive and then reiterates that "it sounds like a girl to me" when the meeting is over.
  • June 18, 2013
    randomsurfer
    Professional Wrestling: TCW heel "Golden Boy" Greg Anthony is often greeted with a Crowd Chant of "Golden Girl! Golden Girl!"
  • June 18, 2013
    TonyG
    • On That70s Show, Jackie would often make fun of Donna for her mannish clothes, comparing her to a lumberjack.
    • When Sponge Bob Square Pants was training Gary for a race, he calls him a girl, saying that it's a motivational tactic that coaches use. Meanwhile, miles away, Sandy gets the urge to kick SpongeBob's butt tomorrow.
  • June 18, 2013
    Marz1200
    • A common sight in the Tortall Universe because one of the main themes is sexism and misogyny. Most prevalent in the Protector of the Small quartet, though. The heroine, Kel, is the first known female to try for knighthood in a century (the only other Lady Knight disguised herself as a boy). Among the various insults thrown at Kel: girls are not as strong, girls are too emotional, etc.
  • June 18, 2013
    Omeganian
    Dua from The Gods Themselves was called Left-em when she was young (a long story involving Bizarre Alien Sexes).
  • June 22, 2013
    nitrokitty
    The Mythbusters actually tested part of this trope; specifically, "you throw like a girl."
  • June 22, 2013
    xanderiskander
    Are the two big paragraphs of Example As A Thesis really necessary? This looks to be the bad kind of Example As A Thesis. it's not telling people anything about the trope, just describing two different kinds of characters instead.

    All the beginning needs to say is that characters who are in the habit of doing things stereotypical of the opposite gender tend to get called that gender as an insult. It's generally played for humor, unless the character is insecure about it. Then it might be played for drama.
  • June 24, 2013
    randomsurfer
    The Simpsons: The Nuclear Power Plant goes to baseball game as a group outing. Mr. Burns weakly thows out the first pitch. Bart & Lisa have fun heckling him.
    Bart: You throw like my sister, man!
    Lisa: Yeah, you throw like me!

  • June 24, 2013
    GuyIncog
    I'm wondering if this might work best as an index of tropes that are frequently gendered insults - Dumb Blonde and Brainless Beauty among them.
  • June 24, 2013
    surgoshan
    You might be right, then it could include This Is For Emphasis Bitch, You Throw Like A Girl, and those instances of Real Women Dont Wear Dresses as as insult.
  • June 25, 2013
    nitrokitty
    • Jackass: In one segment, entitled "Getting Your Ass Kicked By A Girl," Ryan Dunn takes on a women's kickboxing champion, with predictable results.
  • June 25, 2013
    DaibhidC
    • In Starman 80-page Giant, there's a story featuring "The Little O'Dares (And Partrolman Clarence)" in which young Hope O'Dare tells one of her brothers "You throw more like a girl than I do!"
  • June 25, 2013
    Chao
    I think using this as a super trope definitely works better. Depending on your definition you could arguably link this to almost any show ever at some point.
  • August 22, 2013
    nabber
    In the Lizzie Mc Guire episode "One of the Guys," Kate makes fun of Lizzie for being called a "dude" by Ethan. Never mind that Ethan clearly did not mean it as an insult.
  • December 8, 2014
    Noah1
  • December 8, 2014
    DAN004
    Stay In The Kitchen is not an insult, but rather a view on what women should be.

    Would "make me a sandwich" count here?
  • December 9, 2014
    Snicka
    • The Weebl And Bob song "Amazing Horse" includes the line "Shut up, woman, get on my horse!". The site writes the following comment to the song: "A song about how women's rights have improved as the use of horses for transport has declined."
  • December 9, 2014
    DAN004
    Laconic is narrower than the description.
  • December 10, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi

    Professional Wrestling
    • Duh.

    ... And there I thought I've given up on shredding hats.

    The write-up violates Text Formatting Rules (lots of work names aren't italicized, aren't namespaced) and a number of How To Write An Example points. I pointed a couple of times at random and spotted "hoo boy" and wrong tense used in Friends. Wrong tense in Thor, wrong tense in That 70's Show. This is seriously undercooked.

    TV Tropes has its own folder, not "Web Original", hasn't it?
  • December 10, 2014
    ArthurEld
    The Seinfeld example doesn't really belong. The girl was called man hands because she had big, beefy, hands. The kinds of hands large men have. It wasn't a personality, gender role, stereotype thing, it was a physical thing. And he didn't insult her, he was just freaked out.
  • December 10, 2014
    DAN004
    Who is managing this?
  • December 10, 2014
    crazysamaritan
    ^^ How is "You have hands that don't belong on a woman" not insulting? You can be freaked out and insulting at the same time; it's really common.
  • December 10, 2014
    SolipSchism
    ^^^ That argument makes no sense. You're basically explaining why it is a gender-related insult.
  • December 10, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
    ^^^ Again, doesn't look like anybody does. Fifteen-month-old ykttw was bumped by Noah1, with no word on grabbing it.
  • December 11, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ yay.
  • December 11, 2014
    NemuruMaeNi
    This proposition being a supertrope to This Is For Emphasis Bitch seems false. Nothing bars people from using emphasisive "bitch" on females, genderless and even phenomena, mechanisms and constructs. It's also hard to imagine someone respond to that "bitch" thing with "Please, call me fag."
  • December 11, 2014
    Arivne
  • December 11, 2014
    randomsurfer
    ^^^^^Nobody in the show calls her "Man-Hands" or says anything about them to her face. They discuss amongst each other that she has man-hands.
  • December 11, 2014
    crazysamaritan
    Why are they man-hands?
    because she had big, beefy, hands. The kinds of hands large men have.
    How is that not insulting?
    Nobody in the show calls her "Man-Hands" or says anything about them to her face.
    That's still insulting.

    You seem to be under the impression that it isn't an insult if the person isn't offended.
  • December 11, 2014
    SolipSchism
    ^^ A derogatory comment is an insult whether or not the character is directly addressed, or offended if they are addressed.

    The comment implies that her large hands are unnatural and upsetting; you said yourself that the person who says it is "freaked out", which means he views them as disturbing. On top of that, I have a seriously hard time imagining "man-hands" ever being used as a positive or neutral comment. It's derogatory, even if only mildly (and I don't think it's particularly mild). Finally, it literally has the word "man" in it, and not just a coincidental three-letter-sequence like in "romance" or "Whatevermancy". It's literally a reference to how her hands are mannish.

    Can this conversation please be over now?

    Also: To address an issue that probably led to this very conversation, suggest changing the Laconic from "behavior is" to "behavior or physical features are".

    And agreed that this really has nothing to do with This Is For Emphasis Bitch.
  • December 11, 2014
    FerrousFaucet
    Live-Action TV example:

    • On Mystery Science Theater 3000, the host and the bots frequently call each other "femme", implying an activity is unmanly. This happens more frequently in the episodes in which Mike is the host, and it comes off as rather childish (Mike and the bots tend to be very immature).
  • December 11, 2014
    SolipSchism
    ^ They throw that insult around at the characters in the movies they riff just as often as at each other. This is from a Riff Trax, not one of the original MST 3 K movies, but I distinctly remember them referring to what's his face from Twilight—the vampire that tries to kill Bella—as being femmy.
  • December 11, 2014
    SolipSchism
    Oh, I just remembered.

    Literature:

    • In R Scott Bakker's The Disciple Of The Dog, Disciple Manning Lampshades and Parodies this trope by implying that only women listen to Kelly Clarkson. A female character snarkily comments, "Let me guess, you hate Kelly Clarkson," to which Disciple responds, "Not at all. I love her. Every time I hear a Kelly Clarkson song, it makes me want to draw a hot bath, light some candles, and shave my vagina."

    It's a rough paraphrase as I read the book a couple years ago, but the joke is intact.

    Also, obviously, Red Links, but that's in line with wiki policy as long as the creator and work actually exist. (And we do have several other Bakker works on the site, so he probably needs a page, but that's neither here nor there.)
  • December 12, 2014
    AgProv
    @We Are All Kosh; "On Everybody Loves Raymond, Frank will sometimes call his son Raymond "Nancy" when criticizing him for doing or handling something in what he thinks is an unmanly fashion."

    You could add Frank's attitude towards his grand-son Michael. (Or Geoffrey). One of the twin boys prefers to play with dolls and is not inclined to be sporty; Frank considers that even at two, the boy is exhibiting distressing and unmistakeable signs of homosexuality. His parents are appalled at Frank's attitude.

    Even Raymond is not immune: he exhibits angst that in the school Christmas nativity play, both his sons have their hearts set on playing fairies. he wonders if his father might not have a point and tries to steer the boys back to doing more acceptably boy-things...
  • January 1, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ Do Frank and Raymond ever insult them though?
  • January 19, 2015
    Laevatein
  • February 13, 2015
    cietrzezwiew
    genderated insults :)
  • February 15, 2015
    Arivne
    Film
    • Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery. Dr. Evil's assassin Random Task tries to kill Austin by throwing his shoe at him. Instead being killed Austin just gets a bump on the head. He's so disgusted that he tells Random Task "Really, you fight like a woman."
  • February 17, 2015
    randomsurfer
    In Blackadder II "Potato" Captain Rum refers to anyone who hasn't got roughed up by the sea as having a woman's [blank]
    Rum: You have a woman's hand, milord! I'll wager these dainty pinkies never weighed anchor in a storm.
    Rum: You have a woman's purse! I'll wager that purse has never been used as a rowing-boat. I'll wager it's never had sixteen shipwrecked mariners tossing in it.
    Rum: You have a woman's mouth, milord! I'll wager that mouth never had to chew through the side of a ship to escape the dreadful spindly killer fish.
    Rum: You have a woman's legs, my lord! I'll wager those are legs that have never been sliced clean off by a falling sail, and swept into the sea before your very eyes.
    Blackadder: Well, neither have yours.
    Rum: That's where you're wrong.
    Rum: [to the queen] You have a woman's bottom, my Lady! I'll wager that sweet round pair of peaches has never been forced 'twixt two splintered planks, to plug a leak and save a ship!
    Queen: Certainly hasn't, and I'm quite pleased about it!
  • February 19, 2015
    JujuP
    Real Life
    • Aicha said to her son Muhammad XII, the last Sultan of Grenada that:
      —"Now you weep like a woman over what you could not defend as a man."
  • April 10, 2015
    Rjinswand
    I'd suggest an internal soft split:
    • Insulting a man for being "woman-like" or "not manly enough"
    • Insulting a woman for being "manly" or "not feminine enough"

    I'd say that this trope should be only for these two types of insults (basically, not conforming to gender stereotypes enough). Examples of "insulting a woman for being too feminine" should go into Real Women Dont Wear Dresses. As for "insulting a man for being too manly"... does this even exist?
  • April 10, 2015
    lakingsif
    Most things aimed at Kurt from Glee, but especially when Sue says he genuinely wanted to be called "Lady", and Santana's 100-second rant to him at why he and Blaine broke up, including that he's "a breathier, more feminine Quinn Fabray". He's still consistently called "Lady Hummel" and "Lady lips" (as is Sam, who was initially probed for his on-off masculinity) and was crowned Junior Prom Queen as a joke.
  • April 10, 2015
    DAN004
    ^^ being manly isn't always good; see Men Cant Keep House, Real Men Hate Affection etc.
  • April 11, 2015
    Rjinswand
    ^ Ah, good point. So what do you think about an internal split?
  • September 15, 2015
    samitv
    Myron Bolitar Series - whenever Myron displays loyalty or affection for his currently girlfriend, Win calls him a girl as an insult.
  • September 15, 2015
    lakingsif
    who's keeping this? // oh, it's Dan
  • September 15, 2015
    Rjinswand
    Oh, a blast from the past.

    Any more opinions on my suggestion in ^^^^^^? Namely, an internal soft split:
    • Insulting a man for being "woman-like" or "not manly enough"
    • Insulting a woman for being "manly" or "not feminine enough"

    And now I think we definitely need an Acceptable Masculine Goals And Traits trope or index.

    P.S.: Also, I think the title should be in singular: Gendered Insult
  • September 15, 2015
    randomsurfer
    Not sure if it would quite count because it was about a character rather than directed to the character, but...
  • September 15, 2015
    HighCrate
    I don't like the soft-split idea; there are enough cases that don't fit neatly in either category (such as characters being insulted for embodying the stereotypes of their own gender) that it would cause more problems than it solved.

    I like the idea of making it singular, though.
  • September 16, 2015
    Rjinswand
    ^ Isn't "characters being insulted for embodying the stereotypes of their own gender" just Real Women Dont Wear Dresses, though?
  • September 16, 2015
    crazysamaritan
    ~Rjinswand — No, Real Women Dont Wear Dresses is when a work shows conforming to female stereotypes makes them less capable than women who don't. Insults do not have to appear. The line "You'd run faster if you didn't insist on wearing those heels!" is an example of Real Women Dont Wear Dresses and not an insult.
  • September 16, 2015
    HighCrate
    Also, RWDWD is specifically about female characters and stereotypes, so something like a man being insulted as a "typical guy" for not knowing how to cook or clean wouldn't be covered.

    Also also, FWIW RWDWD has had a major identity crisis for a while now and is currently in TRS because of it.
  • September 19, 2015
    Rjinswand
    ^^ & ^ I see, thanks!

    But how about 4-way internal soft split then?
    • Insulting a man for being "woman-like" or "not manly enough"
    • Insulting a woman for being "manly" or "not feminine enough"
    • Insulting a man for conforming to male stereotypes
    • Insulting a woman for conforming to female stereotypes

    Maybe it's even two sister tropes?
  • September 19, 2015
    lakingsif
    ^ I'd say yes there's really two tropes in there: "oh, you're such a disgusting man, can't you be more sensitive" and "you're such a feminine man, take charge". And they don't really fit under one umbrella.
  • September 19, 2015
    Rjinswand
    ^ So yeah what I meant is it's like this:
    1. Character insulted for conforming to their gender's stereotypes
    2. Character insulted for not conforming to their gender's stereotypes, e.g. compared to the opposite gender
  • September 19, 2015
    lakingsif
    ^ That would be better
  • September 20, 2015
    Snicka
    • Archer: Bad Boss Malory Archer occasionally refers to the gay and somewhat effeminate field agent Ray Gillette with female pronouns to insult him.
  • October 10, 2015
    samitv
    • Cookie in Empire called Jamal's boyfriend 'Dora' and accused Lucius of 'growing a vagina'.

  • October 21, 2015
    randomsurfer
    The Commish: When Tony takes over coaching his son's basketball team, he calls them girls in order to motivate them. Eventually he gets called on his overly complex plays and pushing the kids by Wilt Chamberlain, and just lets them play and enjoy themselves.
  • October 21, 2015
    DAN004
    Putting " in the laconic can sometimes lead to bad results. Noted...
  • October 21, 2015
    LikeSnowyNights
    The Everybody Loves Raymond example appears twice on the page. One time in Western Animation where it does not belong.
  • October 22, 2015
    BKelly95
    Live Action Television
    • Joe and Brian on Wings were repeatedly subjected to this in high school by a sadistic gym coach. When he returns to Nantucket, Joe and Brian decide to get revenge on the coach by sneaking into his hotel room and dressing him up in a dress and wig. Unfortunately, they do so just after the coach has died. Hilarity Ensues.
  • October 22, 2015
    surgoshan
    Were I still the boss of this, I'd consider changing the name to Gender Policing.
  • October 23, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ I'm afraid it could meant seriously law-backed ridiculous acts against genders...
  • October 23, 2015
    HighCrate
    ^ Agreed. Also, as the trope now stands, it's inclusive both of serious and hurtful insults, and lighter "just-between-friends" teasing. A name like Gender Policing would imply a narrower trope meant only to refer to serious and hurtful insults or persecution.
  • October 23, 2015
    Rjinswand
    I still think this trope would benefit from an internal soft split (between "character insulted for conforming to their gender's stereotypes" and "character insulted for not conforming to their gender's stereotypes, e.g. compared to the opposite gender").
  • October 23, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ I don't think we need that yet.
  • October 24, 2015
    Rjinswand
    ^ I just think those are potentially two sister tropes, because while both play on the traditional gender norms, they do it differently. So if not a hard split, a soft internal split might be necessary. But that's my opinion.
  • January 28, 2016
    updownbanana
    ^ Reviving this. I think Rjinswand has a point that a split might me a good idea.
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