Created By: Pichu-kun on July 7, 2014 Last Edited By: Pichu-kun on July 23, 2014
Nuked

Jewish Redhead

Jewish characters often have red hair.

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Main
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Trope

Examples:

Comic Books

Western Animation
Community Feedback Replies: 25
  • July 8, 2014
    mongol
    I don't think this is true.
  • July 8, 2014
    DAN004
  • July 8, 2014
    Arivne
    If I see a character with red hair, the first thing I think is not "Hey, I'll bet they're Jewish!"

    It's "I wonder if they'll be shown as having a hot temper or being evil?"
  • July 8, 2014
    TrustBen
    Without a description it's pretty much impossible to tell what the trope is going for. Offhand, though, I'd say the existence of a few redheaded Jewish characters is incidental, not tropeable.
  • July 8, 2014
    lexicon
    The Other Wiki talks about this in Red Hair. "Red hair is also fairly common amongst the Ashkenazi Jewish populations, possibly because of the influx of European DNA over a period of centuries.[15] In European culture, prior to the 20th century, red hair was often seen as a stereotypically Jewish trait: during the Spanish Inquisition, all those with red hair were identified as Jewish.[16] In Italy, red hair was associated with Italian Jews, and Judas was traditionally depicted as red-haired in Italian and Spanish art.[17] Writers from Shakespeare to Dickens would identify Jewish characters by giving them red hair.[18] The stereotype that red hair is Jewish remains in parts of Eastern Europe and Russia.[19]"
  • July 8, 2014
    rodneyAnonymous
    Red hair could be used to mean too many different things, or nothing. The main possible meanings are already covered by Fiery Redhead and Evil Redhead, either of which may be of any ethnicity. This is chairs.
  • July 8, 2014
    DAN004
    ^^ Now if only someone can turn that into a proper description...
  • July 9, 2014
    StrixObscuro
    I thought Lois was Protestant?
  • July 9, 2014
    rodneyAnonymous
    "Jewish" is ambiguous because that term is used to refer to both the religion and the ethnicity. It is possible to be both Jewish and Protestant. (The actual word for Jewish-by-heritage-but-not-religion is "Hebraic", but that word might as well not exist because nobody knows it. Except you, now.)

    PS: Someone suggesting that an article from The Other Wiki be repurposed for This Very Wiki is an almost-sure sign that the article itself is a bad idea. TV Tropes is not an encyclopedia.
  • July 9, 2014
    randomsurfer
    ^^Lois' mother is Jewish, a Holocaust survivor who hid her Jewishness, which makes Lois Jewish.
  • July 9, 2014
    mongol
    Motion to discard. Highly debatable that this is true to any extent in fiction.
  • July 9, 2014
    rodneyAnonymous
    I second the motion if that matters.
  • July 10, 2014
    lexicon
    There is plenty of overlap between The Other Wiki and Tv Tropes. It's called We Are Not Alone Index. A Jew with red hair is People Sit On Chairs as can be seen by the contextless examples. On the other hand, if this was about the Judaism in the family then there would be context for the examples. I could write out a description but if it's not wanted I won't bother.
  • July 11, 2014
    Arivne
  • July 11, 2014
    tryrar
    yeah, don't bother, we can do without this.
  • July 21, 2014
    rodneyAnonymous
    ^^ Note that "there is no overlap between The Other Wiki and TV Tropes" is not a point that anyone made, nor does refuting it indirectly address any of the lodged complaints.
  • July 21, 2014
    foxley
    If this trope was 'red hair is an indicator of hidden Judaism in the family tree', then it might tropebable. But, as it stands, this is just a list of Jewish characters who possess red hair.
  • July 21, 2014
    DAN004
    As the Red Hair article mentioned, the stereotype only goes before 20th century. And now we're already in the 21st. Not much people nowadays would look at red hair that way.

    That's why it's hard to make this a trope: nobody has the perspective.
  • July 21, 2014
    lexicon
    Okay, if there's other things on both The Other Wiki and This Very Wiki then why not this concept?

    I wouldn't say it's necessarily about hidden Judaism but context can be added to the examples of how the character is from a Jewish family based on a description I can write if you want me to.
  • July 21, 2014
    DAN004
    ^ maybe you'd like a new ykttw page.
  • July 21, 2014
    KyleJacobs
    There's enough motions to discard on this that I feel comfortable pushing the nuke button if I don't hear a good argument for a keep within 24 hours.
  • July 22, 2014
    jayoungr
    Well, the examples in the Other Wiki do include literary ones. I've recently been reading some stories written around 1900 which include an example of a red-haired Greedy Jew. The trope has definitely fallen out of use, but we have pages for older works that use it. That's the best argument I can make for it. But meh, possibly not enough.

    Oh, and the example I was referring to:

    Literature

    Reuben Rosenthal, the South African diamond merchant in the Raffles story "A Costume Piece." http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Raffles
  • July 22, 2014
    Larkmarn
    There's also literary examples of Jews with black hair. And jews with gray hair. And Jews that are blond.
  • July 22, 2014
    lexicon
    Maybe I'll do as Dan says and make my own YKTTW page. Can you think of examples of a blonde Jew being surrounded by non-Jews?
  • July 23, 2014
    jayoungr
    Well—the thing about the Raffles example is that the author never actually came out and said that Rosenthal was Jewish. You were just supposed to infer it from his name and his red hair. For its day, as far as I can tell, it was a sort of code. But *shrug* the trope is so old-fashioned by now that most people probably don't even recognize it—plus, red hair isn't used the same way in modern works, so it would be prone to misuse. All of which may combine to make it better to nuke.
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