Created By: WaxingName on January 5, 2012 Last Edited By: WaxingName on May 15, 2012
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Single Guy Seeks Tough Girl

This guy doesn\'t want his women weak.

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(This trope was created to eliminate use of All Girls Want Bad Boys for this)

Some guys don't really want those girly girls. These guys want their women hardened, strong-willed, and maybe a bit Tomboy-ish.

This is the inverse of No Guy Wants an Amazon, and can sort of be considered a gender inversion of Single Woman Seeks Good Man and All Amazons Want Hercules. Compare Hot Amazon, which instead deals with the girl attracting guys for being tough.

Examples

Anime and Manga

Comics
  • Batman is generally shown to have this kind of attitude towards girls, hence his attraction to villainesses like Talia al-Ghul and Catwoman.
    • Notably, in Batman R.I.P., he uses this to figure out that his current girlfriend Jezebel Jet is a villainess.

Literature
  • Ma Jong from Judge Dee falls in love (more so than usual) with a few Action Girls that he meets. However, one of them ends up falling for a different character.
  • In World Without End Merthin acknowledges about halfway through the book that the only women he likes are the really smart, sarcastic and "bitchy" (in this context, independent and free-spirited) ones when he looks at his history. With the notable exception of Griselda, his partners were capable business owners that could beat him at intelligence games or best him in court.

Live-Action TV
  • Dave in Red Dwarf bemoans how he's 'only ever attracted to women who are trash'. By this he means hardened, manipulative, ruthless women.
    • In fact, in one episode, there was a morphing android that was meant to show a man his most desirable woman. All the male castmates saw the android differently. Rimmer and Kryten both saw nice, sweet girls (a hologram woman and a female android respectively) but when it came to, Lister, he saw a woman Biker Babe who insulted him and didn't immediately give in to his advances.
  • Definitely Piz in Veronica Mars. Veronica could very easily be described as hard, strong-willed and Tomboyish. The other male leads who date her probably did so because of their mutual connections through Lily, the murdered girl, and it might've been more of a grief/intimacy thing than direct attraction resulting from Veronica's tough girl qualities.
  • How about Scorpius on Farscape: Natira would fit this type of girl, and since she doesn't HAVE to be an amazon I would argue Sikozu does as well.
  • Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer? While Dru sometimes pulls the kittenish "girly" card, she is also badass and Spike likes that part of her ("Dru bagged a slayer? Well, good for her!") His attraction to Buffy - who can beat him up: a fact he is turned on by - also goes to this. He also seems to sometimes mock women he sees as "weak" like the woman in the vampire cult, the woman in the Angel episode who he saves and then chatises for walking alone in an alley at night in high heels, and Harmony.
  • Pan Am features a Senator who is attracted to Maggie because she's so vocally opinionated and dangerous.

Stand-Up Comedy
  • Stand-up comic Alonzo Bodden describes his dream girl as "someone who can take a punch."

Web Original

Western Animation
  • This could describe Prince Zuko's attraction to Mai.
    Zuko: You're so beautiful when you hate the world.
Community Feedback Replies: 43
  • January 5, 2012
    Jicragg
    Sounds very similar to Hot Amazon.
  • January 6, 2012
    MorganWick
    Hold that thought. I intend to TRS Hot Amazon over the weekend (third time!) and this seems relevant.

    However, the girl might not be an Amazon per se, just not traditionally "feminine".
  • January 6, 2012
    Ckuckoo
    • Dave in Red Dwarf bemoans how he's 'only ever attracted to women who are trash'. By this he means hardened, manipulative, ruthless women.
    Note that this is different to being attracted to Hot Amazons, so I think this is a valid trope.
  • January 8, 2012
    CharacterInWhite
    Definitely Piz in Veronica Mars. Veronica could very easily be described as hard, strong-willed and Tomboyish. The other male leads who date her probably did so because of their mutual connections through Lily, the murdered girl, and it might've been more of a grief/intimacy thing than direct attraction resulting from Veronica's tough girl qualities.

    Edit: Clarified the example.

  • January 9, 2012
    Chabal2
    Ma Jong from Judge Dee falls in love (more so than usual) with a few Action Girls that he meets. However, one of them ends up falling for a different character.
  • January 10, 2012
    emeriin
    The Nostalgia Critic is addicted to abusive badass women, going as far as to say that he'd gladly let the psychotic inmates of Chicago kill him for fun.
  • January 10, 2012
    DracMonster
    Is this just the inversion of No Guy Wants An Amazon?
  • January 10, 2012
    NoirGrimoir
    I think it's tropable.
  • January 10, 2012
    WaxingName
    As noted on the YKTTW, I noticed heavy misuse of All Girls Want Bad Boys for the definition of this YKTTW, so I made this.
  • January 11, 2012
    darkclaw
    Could the laconic be changed? "Weak and feminine" seems to have Unfortunate Implications...like you can't be "strong and feminine"...which you can; like a Lady Of War for example.

    Anyways; another example would be Mugen from Samurai Champloo. He even gets kicked in the groin by Yatsuha; a government spy/assassin/kunoichi...and tells her "Tough chicks like you really turn me on". Her look was priceless; but later after their adventures and seeing both Mugen's fighting skills and heroism; as well as his perverted side, she decides she will marry him someday.

    Also; is this like a gender inverted All Amazons Want Hercules to some extent? If it is; it seems there is a bit of a Double Standard in my opinion. Strong man wants strong woman? Cool. Strong woman wants strong man? Some people may whine about how apparently "all" strong women want strong men (usually from one example).

    Personally; I don't think there's anything wrong with either example...people often seek similar people, so it kind of makes sense. But I'm rambling at this point.
  • January 11, 2012
    WaxingName
    Okay, I'll change the Laconic.
  • January 12, 2012
    IsaacSapphire
    Is there a point where this separates from a submissive guy who likes dominant women or is it the same?
  • January 12, 2012
    darkclaw
    I don't think this is the same as "submissive guy who like dominant women". It could have a submissive guy liking a dominant woman; but look at some of the examples. Do you think Batman is submissive (he's The Goddamn Batman after all)? I don't think the guy's personality is that important to the trope...it seems to be the guy's taste in women (specifically if he likes tough women).
  • January 13, 2012
    WaxingName
    It's not the same, but, yes, it could fit the definition. When I was thinking up this YKTTW, I first thought of "Single Guy Seeks Bad Girl", but I changed it to Tough Girl to make it broader.
  • January 13, 2012
    CharacterInWhite
    Concerning the submissive guy/tough girl thing:

    Acknowledging somebody else's power doesn't diminish your own.

    Just because a gentleman likes independent, strong-willed women doesn't necessarily make him submissive, or even kinky at all. He may just want a partner that can appreciate his obsession with work (or some other facet of life besides the relationship) because she has an obsession of her own.

    Anywhoozle, another for the Literature section:
    • In World Without End Merthin acknowledges about halfway through the book that the only women he likes are the really smart, sarcastic and "bitchy" (in this context, independent and free-spirited) ones when he looks at his history. With the notable exception of Griselda, his partners were capable business owners that could beat him at intelligence games or best him in court.

  • January 13, 2012
    IsaacSapphire
    I wasn't trying to imply that submissive and badass were mutually exclusive. Am I right in thinking there is no restriction on the badassness or non-action guy status of the guy in question? And would this be a supertrope of submissive guy/dominant girl?
  • January 13, 2012
    WaxingName
    Any guy that happens to like tough girls, Badass or Non-Action, fits this YKTTW.
  • January 18, 2012
    arromdee
    It shouldn't be limited to single guys then, right?
  • January 19, 2012
    WaxingName
    ^Nope, it isn't limited to them at all; Single Woman Seeks Good Man isn't limited to single girls.
  • January 19, 2012
    AP
    To add to the Red Dwarf example

    • In fact, in one episode, there was a morphing android that was meant to show a man his most desirable woman. All the male castmates saw the android differently. Rimmer and Kryten both saw nice, sweet girls (a hologram woman and a female android respectively) but when it came to, Lister, he saw a woman Biker Babe who insulted him and didn't immediately give in to his advances.
  • January 19, 2012
    darkclaw
    By the way; I don't know if it adds much...but for Samurai Champloo; if someone could add a potlink for Mugen to Blood Knight...dear lord, Mugen is a Blood Knight...it arguably makes up much of the anti in his Anti Hero status.
  • January 19, 2012
    captainpat
    So what exactly is the difference between this and Hot Amazon?
  • January 19, 2012
    darkclaw
    I'm guessing Hot Amazon is a woman who is attractive to someone because she kicks ass; this is about men who prefer dangerous women as their "type"...sort of same trope but this is from the male character's POV.
  • January 23, 2012
    WaxingName
    ^ Exactly. This YKTTW is from the male perspective, Hot Amazon is from the female perspective (so to speak).
  • January 23, 2012
    captainpat
    Ok so tough girls are his type? Not just a male character that attracted to females that happen to be action girls?
  • January 23, 2012
    WaxingName
    ^ The Action Girl(s) that the male character are attracted to must have a tough attitude. An example of an Action Girl without a tough attitude is Tifa Lockhart, who is shown to be the Girly Girl to Aerith's Tomboy.
  • February 4, 2012
    TBeholder
    Sounds very similar to Love At First Punch
  • February 21, 2012
    Madcapunlimited
    Does she need to be an "Amazon" though?

    Look @ Star Wars episode 4 when Han & Leia first meet and she tells them to go into the garbage chute. Han immediately remarks he's either going to kill her OR HE'S STARTING TO LIKE HER. Leia is in no way an "amazon" but she IS a strong chick (and the only love interest for Solo in the movies...), and obviously they do end up together.
  • February 21, 2012
    CharacterInWhite
    @Madcapunlimited - Probably not. The sponsor added the Veronica Mars example--who no one would dispute as tough (and I certainly wouldn't want to piss her off)--but she is tinier than every other character on the show.
  • February 22, 2012
    WaxingName
    ^^ Nope, she doesn't need to be an amazon.
  • February 22, 2012
    captainsandwich
    I know you already addressed this but i still don't see the difference between this and Hot Amazon. i therefore i think that they are similar enough this page is unnecessary. also what does TRS mean?
  • February 22, 2012
    Madcapunlimited
    Okay, cool. How about Scorpius on Farscape: Natira would fit this type of girl, and since she doesn't HAVE to be an amazon I would argue Sikozu does as well.
  • February 22, 2012
    MorganWick
  • February 23, 2012
    sgamer82
    • Stand-up comic Alonzo Bodden describes his dream girl as "someone who can take a punch."
  • February 23, 2012
    NightNymph
    Maybe Spike from Buffy The Vampire Slayer? While Dru sometimes pulls the kittenish "girly" card, she is also badass and Spike likes that part of her ("Dru bagged a slayer? Well, good for her!") His attraction to Buffy - who can beat him up: a fact he is turned on by - also goes to this. He also seems to sometimes mock women he sees as "weak" like the woman in the vampire cult, the woman in the Angel episode who he saves and then chatises for walking alone in an alley at night in high heels, and Harmony.
  • February 23, 2012
    Arivne
    ^^^^^ @captainsandwich wrote: "also what does TRS mean?"

    There's a description here: Trope Repair Shop

    And here's a link to the Trope Repair Shop itself: -> Trope Repair Shop <-
  • February 23, 2012
    WaxingName
    @ captainsandwich: I guess I can explain it in terms of how it can be put on a character sheet. Hot Amazon goes on the girl's section, while this trope goes on the guy's section.
  • February 23, 2012
    WaxingName
    Well, I've got the five hats. I'm thinking of a launch, but I would like more examples before that.

    Also, it has also come to my attention, that this YKTTW has become part of a TRS, so, I'm going to hold off on launching until that thread clears up.
  • February 25, 2012
    Unknown Troper
    Just launch. You can always add more examples later. Three or five examples is actually the minimum needed.
  • March 3, 2012
    WaxingName
    ^As I have said the TRS is figuring out what to do with Hot Amazon. I myself noticed that the description for that trope could actually go on this YKTTW, so I would like to wait for that to clear up before launching.
  • March 13, 2012
    Sandry
    Hm... well, for the Batman example, it actually makes sense that he'd be attracted to strong, capable, independent women who kick ass... they're less likely to get killed without him there to protect them, and he simply doesn't have the time to always be there for them, and unlike Superman, he can't swoop in to save the day when he's across town and she falls off a roof for the thousandth time.
  • March 13, 2012
    CharacterInWhite
    The problem with Hot Amazon is that it describes women who are physically powerful. "Tough girls" do not necessarily have this trait--indeed, if you're going to keep the examples from World Without End and Veronica Mars, this trope could not mean men who are attracted only to physically strong women, but simply "strong women" as a concept, since neither Veronica nor Merthin's partners are physically powerful.

    In other words, there is a difference between a strong woman and a strong woman. Hot Amazons describes a preference/label for the former, this trope the latter.

    I think that's what Waxing is going for, anyway.

    ALSO! Another example for Live Action TV:

    • Pan Am features a Senator who is attracted to Maggie because she's so vocally opinionated and dangerous.
  • May 15, 2012
    sgamer82
    • Stand-Up Comic Alonzo Bodden has a routine about this in which he explains that he's looking for "a woman who can take a punch."
      That's all I'm sayin', if she can take a shot we can work the rest of this shit out. You know, I'm not talking about beatin' a woman or nothing like that. Just every now and then I've had a bad day like "How you doin', baby?" *wham* I'm better now. Thank you for loving me, that's all I'm saying.
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