Created By: flamemario12 on December 31, 2012 Last Edited By: flamemario12 on June 12, 2013
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Dead Alternate Counterpart

In an alternate universe or timeline, the character's alternate universe couterpart is dead.

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I found it odd since there's no tropes about the character's alternate universe counterpart dies. So I made this one.

In an alternate where the main character traveled to an Alternate Universe. He later found out that his Alternate Universe counterpart was dead. Of course, this trope doesn't require the character found out his alternate counterpart is dead.

Compare/Contrast to Death by Adaptation, where the character died from adaptation instead of his alternate counterpart.

Not related to Retgone.

Example

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[[folder:Anime]]
  • In Dragon Ball, both Goku contract a Heart Virus. Unfortunately for Future Goku, he dies from a heart virus. Later, most Z fighter from alternate timeline are killed except Future Gohan by Android 17 and 18. Future Gohan gets killed thirteen years later.
  • Inverted in Fairy Tail Edolas Arc, with Mirajane and Elfman's Dead Little Sister Lisanna, as Earthland's (the main setting) version of Lisanna is dead, but the Edolas version is alive. turns out to be played straight later, as Edolas Lisanna really is Earthland Lisanna who was transported into Edolas, while the real Edolas Lisanna is already dead.
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[[folder:Comic Book]]
  • In JLA-Avengers issue 3 the Marvel and DC worlds have become combined, turning it into a Silver Age utopia. When the characters learn how their realities are supposed to be, the character who argues for the restoration the most is Hal Jordan - who is "supposed to" be dead. (Barry Allen is there too, but he's not quite so eager to restore the realities.)
  • In Astonishing X-Men there's an alternate universe in which hundreds of alternates of the X-Men the readers know have been killed for an arguably greater good.
  • Spider-Men sees the Peter Parker of Earth-616 trapped on Earth-1610, with his counterpart having recently died.
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[[folder:Literature]]
  • In The Talisman, if you have an Alternate Self in "The Territories", you can flip into their mind when you travel between worlds. But if you don't, like Jacky, whose Twinner was murdered as a child, you remain yourself.
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[[folder:Live Action TV]]
  • Inverted in Doctor Who, Rose Tyler's dad is dead in Universe X, but in Universe Y he's alive. Rose, however, doesn't have an alternate universe counterpart (though her mother's dog is named Rose... she must like the name).
    • Also in Doctor Who, the Mickey Smith (Ricky) in Universe Y is dead, with Mickey Smith in Universe X remaining alive.
  • Star Trek: The Next Generation: Tasha Yar from the reality where the Enterprise-B fell into a wormhole learns that in the soon-to-be-restored reality she was killed, she volunteers to go back through to help the B crew.
  • In the Star Trek: Voyager episode "Deadlock" the 'real' Harry Kim and Naomi Wildman are killed, and replaced with duplicates from another Voyager (coming across a space-time rift) which self-destructs [[Taking You with Me taking out some alien invade
  • Inverted in Fringe and arguably its most important plot point: it is in fact the "main" universe's Peter who dies as a kid. This sets the plot in motion as his father, Walter, goes on a journey to the alternate universe to steal back his sick yet not dead son from his alternate self and cure him like he should have done.
  • Stargate SG-1 did this in some form for nearly every alternate universe they ran across.
    • "There But For the Grace of God": The alternate Daniel Jackson never joined the stargate program and died in a Goa'uld orbital bombardment of Egypt. Alt!Hammond subsequently died defending the SGC, Alt!O'Neill was killed trying to talk Alt!Teal'c into a Mook–Face Turn, and Alt!Carter blew herself up to keep a piece of phlebotinum out of Goa'uld hands. Alt!Teal'c died when the base self-destructed.
    • "Point of View": The alternate Jack O'Neill was killed in action defending his SGC from a Goa'uld ground offensive, and Alt!Teal'c died when Prime!Teal'c shot him. Inverted with Maj. Charles Kawalsky, who was alive in the alternate universe but dead in the prime timeline. We also see several alternate universes where the Goa'uld were patrolling the SGC; presumably none of the cast survived.
    • "Ripple Effect": Inverted. Among the alternate SG-1's that showed up we had at least two characters who were dead in the prime timeline: Martouf, a Tok'ra operative who died in "Divide and Conquer," and Maj. Dr. Janet Fraiser, who was killed by a stray staff blast in "Heroes, Part 2."
  • In Smallville season 10 Lionel Luthor from Earth-2 transplants himself to Earth-1, where that Lionel is dead, and establishes himself as the "real" Lionel Luthor.
  • Zig-Zagged in Hercules: The Legendary Journeys Mirror Universe episodes, where they established a rule that if your alternate universe counterpart dies, you also die. Which didn't stop them from breaking that rule with Iolaus.
  • In Red Dwarf, Arnold Rimmer might technically be this to Ace Rimmer, having died in a nuclear accident and been brought back as a hologram in the pilot. Though in Ace's second appearance he's dying and attempting to convince Arnold to continue his dimension-hopping heroics.
    • In Ace's second appearance he turned out to be the latest in a long series of alternate Rimmer's who took up the mantle, so many that his predecessor's holo-bees comprise a Saturn-like planetary ring.
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[[folder:Video Game]]
  • At the beginning of Chrono Cross, Serge finds himself transported to an alternate universe where he died ten years ago.
  • At the end of Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse, Max had died and it is impossible to revive him. Fortunately, a Max from a parallel universe shows up to befriend Sam, explaining that his Sam had similarly died.
  • Episode 7 of Umineko no Naku Koro ni revolves around a new character named Lion discovering his/her alternate self Beatrice who dies tragically in every single timeline other than his/her own
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[[folder:Webcomics]]
  • Inverted with Retrope in TV Tropes The Webcomic: she was killed in all known alternate universes but resurrected later in the Prime (and only in the Prime).
  • Homestuck features a ridiculous amount of dead alternate selves for nearly every character that has been introduced so far. This is due to the rules that characterise SBURB: the only successful way to beat the game is, supposedly, following the socalled "alpha timeline", and the game (or rather, the possibly sentient entity called Paradox Space) will eventually punish whoever makes a choice that is different from what's predetermined in the alpha timeline, thus generating a "doomed" timeline in which failure is the only option. Dead alternate selves are also an important part of the plot, as players have access to where they reside in the afterlife, the "dream bubbles", through various means and they usually aid the players and at times even influence the plot in a significant way.
    • Other than doomed selves, one could also consider guardians to be actually alternate selves, since they are literally the same characters but with their roles switched (for instance, grandfather and grandson, or ancestor and descendant, or even older and younger bro). And guess what, "alternate me is dead" is true for each and every one of their kids version. In every universe so far.
    • Being a Time player, Dave has the power to go back and forth in time. When the Draconian Dignitary steals his copies of Rose's Journals from his room, he considers the idea to go back in time and stop the thief, only to discard the idea after noticing the corpse of his doomed timeline self lying on the floor of his very room, proof that he has actually already tried that.
  • In Alternate Universe #114 in Goblins, Forgath, Complains and Big-Ears were killed during the battle at the goblin warcamp, while One-Eye (a minor character who died in the same battle in the main universe) survived and became an adventurer working alongside Minmax.
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[[folder:Western Animation]]
  • In Ben 10: Alien Force, where Gwen goes back to time and prevent Kevin's mutation, it creates an alternate timeline where Gwen is killed by Charmcaster.
  • Justice League had "A Better World", where the League turned into an authoritarian group that controlled the world. When looking for leads about this world, they find out that their Flash was killed in a shooting in their time, forcing the others to this style. Once he found this out, he capitalized on this to break free from their control and get the others out as well.
  • BIONICLE: Mazeka returns to the main dimension with a good version of Teridax from an alternate dimension. In the main dimension, the Teridax here is the Big Bad who recently managed to takeover Mata Nui's body and the entire Matoran Universe. Later, in a giant robot fight between Teridax and Mata Nui in the Prototype Robot, Teridax is killed after a Colony Drop by a planet hits his head.
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Community Feedback Replies: 47
  • December 31, 2012
    Stratadrake
    Not related to Ret Gone.
  • December 31, 2012
    GreatHylianKing
    In Doctor Who, Rose Tyler's dad is dead in Universe X, but in Universe Y he's alive and her mother is dead.
  • December 31, 2012
    zarpaulus
    • Not an uncommon occurrence in Sliders, along with the inverse where someone dead is still alive. For instance the technophobe universe where their Quinn had died of polio (no vaccines) but his father was still alive.
  • December 31, 2012
    randomsurfer
    ^
    • At the end of the Pilot Movie the Sliders don't know they're not back on their home Earth until Quinn's dad comes home from work.
  • January 1, 2013
    flamemario12
    • Inverted with Retrope in TV Tropes The Webcomic: she was killed in all known alternate universes but resurrected later in the Prime (and only in the Prime).
  • January 1, 2013
    ArkadyDarell
  • January 1, 2013
    morenohijazo
    • At the beginning of Chrono Cross, Serge finds himself transported to an alternate universe where he died ten years ago.
  • January 1, 2013
    StarSword
    TV:
    • Stargate SG 1 did this in some form for every alternate universe they ran across.
      • "There But For the Grace of God": The alternate Daniel Jackson never joined the stargate program and died in a Goa'uld orbital bombardment of Egypt. Alt!Hammond subsequently died defending the SGC, Alt!O'Neill was killed trying to talk Alt!Teal'c into a Mook Face Turn, and Alt!Carter blew herself up to keep a piece of phlebotinum out of Goa'uld hands. Alt!Teal'c died when the base self-destructed.
      • "Point of View": The alternate Jack O'Neill was killed in action defending his SGC from a Goa'uld ground offensive. Inverted with Maj. Charles Kawalsky, who was alive in the alternate universe but dead in the prime timeline. We also see several alternate universes where the Goa'uld were patrolling the SGC; presumably none of the cast survived.
      • "Ripple Effect": Inverted. Among the alternate SG-1's that showed up we had at least two characters who were dead in the prime timeline: Martouf, a Tok'ra operative who died in "Divide and Conquer," and Maj. Dr. Janet Fraiser, who was killed by a stray staff blast in "Heroes, Part 2."

    Should alternate timelines count as well? SG-1 has a few of those that would apply.
  • January 1, 2013
    MrRuano
    • Justice League had "A Better World", where the League turned into an authoritarian group that controlled the world. When looking for leads about this world, they find out that their Flash was killed in a shooting in their time, forcing the others to this style. Once he found this out, he capitalized on this to break free from their control and get the others out as well.
  • January 1, 2013
    ShadowHog
    Any relation to All The Myriad Ways?
  • January 1, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    I think 'All The Myriad Ways' applies to any way that an alternate universe version of 'you' would have changed (Example: the Futurama episodes where Alternate Universe versions of the cast appears-one is simply that everybody has cowboy hats, while in another either everybody has some big change cosmetically (Farnsworth with brain surgery, Bender with gold paint job) or big change on their relationships (Leela and Fry are married)) and the main/POV characters feel that 'their' reality is the only one that is worth a damn (Teal'c's quote says everything), while this trope focuses precisely on works that have alternate universes popping up at some point and, For Want Of A Nail (or maybe even DESPITE Of A Nail) someone in the cast is dead while in another universe he/she is alive (and bonus points if it's the aforementioned dead/alive person or someone very close that finds out).
  • January 1, 2013
    JonnyB
    In the second installment of the Half Life mod trilogy, "Timeline", Gordon Freeman is sent to an alternate Earth where his counterpart there died fighting the Xen invasion.
  • January 1, 2013
    Xtifr
    Literature:
    • In Michael Kurland's novel The Unicorn Girl (starring Kurland himself and fellow author Chester Anderson), Chester gets killed by a tank attack, but later, in another universe, Kurland runs into another Chester whose Michael was killed, so the two of them team up again.
  • January 1, 2013
    Astaroth
    • in Alternate Universe #114 in Goblins, Forgath, Complains and Big-Ears were killed during the battle at the goblin warcamp, while One-Eye (a minor character who died in the same battle in the main universe) survived and became an adventurer working alongside Minmax.
  • January 1, 2013
    reversePsychologist
    TV:
    • Inverted in Fringe and arguably its most important plot point: it is in fact the "main" universe's Peter who dies as a kid. This sets the plot in motion as his father, Walter, goes on a journey to the alternate universe to steal back his sick yet not dead son from his alternate self and cure him like he should have done.

    Webcomics:
    • Homestuck features a ridiculous amount of dead alternate selves for nearly every character that has been introduced so far.
      • This is due to the rules that characterise SBURB: the only successful way to beat the game is, supposedly, following the socalled "alpha timeline", and the game (or rather, the possibly sentient entity called Paradox Space) will eventually punish whoever makes a choice that is different from what's predetermined in the alpha timeline, thus generating a "doomed" timeline in which failure is the only option. Dead alternate selves are also an important part of the plot, as players have access to where they reside in the afterlife, the "dream bubbles", through various means and they usually aid the players and at times even influence the plot in a significant way.
      • Other than doomed selves, one could also consider guardians to be actually alternate selves, since they are literally the same characters but with their roles switched (for instance, grandfather and grandson, or ancestor and descendant, or even older and younger bro). And guess what, "alternate me is dead" is true for each and every one of them. Of every instance of every universe.
      • Being a Time player, Dave has the power to go back and forth in time. When the Draconian Dignitary steals his copies of Rose's Journals from his room, he considers the idea to go back in time and stop the thief, only to discard the idea after noticing the corpse of his doomed timeline self lying on the floor of his very room, proof that he has actually already tried that.
  • January 1, 2013
    Duncan
    In Lawrence Watt Evans' short story "An Infinity of Karen", a man's wife dies in a car crash, and he goes from universe to universe hoping to find one where she survived and he didn't, so they can be reunited once he finds it, he discovers that that Karen left to try to find a universe where he didn't die.
  • January 1, 2013
    The42ndDoctor
    Also in Doctor Who, the Mickey Smith (Ricky) in Universe Y is dead, with Mickey Smith in Universe X remaining alive.

    In The Secret Saturdays, the evil double of Zak Saturday, Zak Monday, is killed in the lead-up to the series finale.
  • January 1, 2013
    KZN02
    What about a character travels to an alternate dimension where his alternate self dies later?
  • January 1, 2013
    flamemario12
    • In Astonishing X Men there's an alternate universe in which hundreds of alternates of the X-Men the readers know have been killed for an arguably greater good.
  • January 2, 2013
    flamemario12
    • In JLA-Avengers issue 3 the Marvel and DC worlds have become combined, turning it into a Silver Age utopia. When the characters learn how their realities are supposed to be, the character who argues for the restoration the most is Hal Jordan - who is "supposed to" be dead. (Barry Allen is there too, but he's not quite so eager to restore the realities.)
    • Star Trek The Next Generation: Tasha Yar from the reality where the Enterprise-B fell into a wormhole learns that in the soon-to-be-restored reality she was killed, she volunteers to go back through to help the B crew.
  • January 2, 2013
    JonnyB
    Not sure if this counts, but in the Jet Li film, The One, Li plays a deranged killer who travels to alternate dimensions, killing alternate versions of himself and gaining their abilities.
  • January 2, 2013
    Koveras
    @OP: You've ignored TV Tropes The Webcomic examples... Is there something wrong with it?
  • January 2, 2013
    StarSword
    Link fix in draft (Fringe was mis-pointed).
  • January 2, 2013
    Larkmarn
    Modifying the Doctor Who entry (the part with her father is technically an inversion, and SHE is actually the straighter example).
  • January 2, 2013
    Xtifr
    We also need a proper description still, I think, and the formatting has to be corrected.
  • January 2, 2013
    NESBoy
    • Spider-Men sees the Peter Parker of Earth-616 trapped on Earth-1610, with his counterpart having recently died.
    • At the end of Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse, Max had died and it is impossible to revive him. Fortunately, a Max from a parallel universe shows up to befriend Sam, explaining that his Sam had similarly died.
  • January 2, 2013
    flamemario12
    Whoops, double posted.
  • January 2, 2013
    flamemario12
    In Smallville season 10 Lionel Luthor from Earth-2 transplants himself to Earth-1, where that Lionel is dead, and establishes himself as the "real" Lionel Luthor.
  • January 3, 2013
    flamemario12
    @Koveras: Because I'm lazy! :D I'll add it right away. You can also add an example here by yourself, just saying.
  • January 3, 2013
    Koveras
    ^ I prefer to let the OP add examples in a unified style...
  • January 3, 2013
    Lyendith
    It may be a bit too spoilery but...

    [[folder:Visual Novels]]
    • Episode 7 of Umineko No Naku Koro Ni revolves around a new character named Lion discovering his/her alternate self Beatrice who dies tragically in every single timeline other than his/her own.
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  • January 3, 2013
    Duncan
    In The Talisman, if you have an Alternate Self in "The Territories", you can flip into their mind when you travel between worlds. But if you don't, like Jacky, whose Twinner was murdered as a child, you remain yourself.
  • January 3, 2013
    TrueShadow1
    • Inverted in Fairy Tail Edolas Arc, with Mirajane and Elfman's Dead Little Sister Lisanna, as Earthland's (the main setting) version of Lisanna is dead, but the Edolas version is alive. later turns out to be played straight, as Edolas Lisanna really is Earthland Lisanna who was transported into Edolas, while the real Edolas Lisanna already died
  • January 3, 2013
    randomsurfer
    In the Star Trek Voyager episode "Deadlock" the 'real' Harry Kim and Naomi Wildman are killed, and replaced with duplicates from another Voyager (coming across a space-time rift) which self-destructs taking out some alien invaders.
  • January 4, 2013
    StarSword
    Namespaces and italics. Also made a slight adjustment to the SG-1 example since there's one alternate realities episode that didn't use this ("The Road Not Taken").
  • January 4, 2013
    KZN02
    BIONICLE: Mazeka returns to the main dimension with a good version of Teridax from an alternate dimension. In the main dimension, the Teridax here is the Big Bad who recently managed to takeover Mata Nui's body and the entire Matoran Universe. Later, in a giant robot fight between Teridax and Mata Nui in the Prototype Robot, Teridax is killed after a Colony Drop by a planet hits his head.
  • January 4, 2013
    flamemario12
    Maybe Alternate Universe Death would fit better.
  • January 5, 2013
    flamemario12
  • January 5, 2013
    zarpaulus
    • Red Dwarf: Arnold Rimmer might technically be this to Ace Rimmer, having died in a nuclear accident and been brought back as a hologram in the pilot. Though in Ace's second appearance he's dying and attempting to convince Arnold to continue his dimension-hopping heroics.
  • January 5, 2013
    randomsurfer
    Zig Zagged in Hercules The Legendary Journeys Mirror Universe episodes, where they established a rule that if your alternate universe counterpart dies, you also die. Which didn't stop them from breaking that rule with Iolaus.
  • January 5, 2013
    StarSword
  • January 5, 2013
    reversePsychologist
    I edited the Homestuck part because I wrote something that, on retrospect, didn't make sense. Fixed now. Also, while we're at it, most of my examples on that (though not all of them) are about dead versions from alternate TIMELINES, which is different from universe, at least according to the logic of the webcomic. This is due to the peculiar nature of Homestuck I guess, would you guys agree that dead alternate timeline selves count?

    By the way, I liked the original title better, incidentally it would also allow for the kind of alternate selves I have mentioned without arising such doubts.
  • January 5, 2013
    flamemario12
  • January 6, 2013
    reversePsychologist
    It's cool, alternate counterpart sounds neutral enough.
  • January 11, 2013
    flamemario12
    Hm.... I have launched it before, but it's still a red link. And the launch button reapppeared. I wonder why?
  • January 12, 2013
    zarpaulus
    ^ You do know that launching doesn't actually create the page, don't you? You need to write a Red Link with the trope title and then edit that page.

    Addendum to the Red Dwarf example:
    • In Ace's second appearance he turned out to be the latest in a long series of alternate Rimmer's who took up the mantle, so many that his predecessor's holo-bees comprise a Saturn-like planetary ring.
  • June 12, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    An important plot point of Naruto The Movie Road To Ninja is the fact that the Alternate Universe where most of the movie takes place has Naruto's parents still alive while Sakura's parents are dead.
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