Created By: MarqFJA on August 14, 2011 Last Edited By: MarqFJA on May 8, 2012

Lady Casanova

A woman who is unapologetically promiscuous and a successful sexual predator.

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Alternate names: Man-Eater, Unapologetic Slut

Tags: Needs a Better Title, Needs More Examples

The Distaff Counterpart to The Casanova. A woman that is a slutty sexual predator, knows it, and she feels no guilt about her promiscuity or sexual predator-ness whatsoever; her primary motivation for her sexual adventures is pure and simple lust. Her conquests tend (but not neccessarily) to leave a trail of broken-hearted men behind her.

Has equal chances of being also either an Ethical Slut, The Vamp, or neither. Compare Good Bad Girl, who might feel guilty or self-conscious about engaging in promiscuous sex in spite of genuinely enjoying it.
Community Feedback Replies: 35
  • August 14, 2011
    kjnoren
    Isn't this The Vamp?
  • August 14, 2011
    peccantis
    If The Vamp's Laconic is accurate, then yes. It could do with one or two redirs though, I would suggest Evil Man Eater...
  • August 14, 2011
    MarqFJA
    If I understand The Vamp's article correctly, the trope is specifically an evil seductress who targets The Hero of the story for a specific agenda (and thus a villainous Femme Fatale), not a Distaff Counterpart to The Casanova and/or Good Bad Girl.
  • August 14, 2011
    whereismytea
    ^Not specifically, it's just one common form. This is definitely The Vamp.
  • August 14, 2011
    MarqFJA
    The Vamp's description disagrees: "A classic character type, the beauty who uses her feminine wiles to undermine a moral and upright man, for evil purposes. She's evil and sexy, a liar and a sneak, and uses the good guy's sympathy against him, often with a sob story about her mother and some hospital bills or a Wounded Gazelle Gambit.

    Unlike the Femme Fatale and Mad Scientists Beautiful Daughter, she is rotten to the core, and will never be swayed from the path of darkness by love.

    The name comes from classic silent films, where this character is part of a standardized plot. A red-blooded American boy must choose between his familiar, cutesy-plain sweetheart and this seductress."

    The above clearly lacks both the promiscuity and the sexual predation aspects of the Bad Bad Girl trope. Seduction on its own does not equal promiscuity or sexual predation.
  • August 15, 2011
    whereismytea
    Then edit the description of The Vamp to make it clearer? An article that is The Vamp+But More! isn't going to last very long.
  • August 15, 2011
    kjnoren
    Also, the laconic on The Vamp states "A completely evil seductress".

    Among the examples, you have plenty of sexual predators and similar. Remember, to this character sexuality (and thus promiscuity) isn't an end, it's a means.
  • August 15, 2011
    MarqFJA
    ^ That's the thing: To Bad Bad Girl, sexuality (and especially promiscuity) is an end in and of itself.

    ^^ This is not The Vamp But More, this is "The Casanova Gender Flipped, and thus acting as a dark mirror to Good Bad Girl".
  • August 15, 2011
    KingZeal
    ^ Except that the description for The Casanova specifically references The Vamp as its Distaff Counterpart.

    I'm not seeing how this differs in any way.
  • August 16, 2011
    MarqFJA
    Then whoever put that reference in The Casanova's description is wrong, because for The Casanova promiscuous sex is the end being sought, while to The Vamp (and its more morally-neutral counterpart Femme Fatale) it's the means to an end (see the "for evil purposes" line in the first paragraph of The Vamp's article). Also, The Casanova is not necessarily evil, unlike The Vamp.

    And like I said before, for Bad Bad Girl sex is the end she seeks. And something tells me that several examples of The Vamp actually fail the "seduce men for evil purposes" criterion of the trope and instead their seduction is solely for the sake of sex itself, and thus they are Bad Bad Girl examples.
  • August 16, 2011
    KingZeal
    That's splitting hairs. "Evil purpose" could very well mean "screw em and leave em". If her goal is to enjoy sex with someone and then discard them like yesterday's garbage, that's no less evil. The Vamp doesn't say that her evil purposes need be separate from the sex itself.
  • August 17, 2011
    MarqFJA
    The Casanova's definition: "The sexual predator -- a character who relentlessly pursues, lands, loves and then abandons members of the opposite sex. Sometimes comic, sometimes a monster, always successful this character leaves behind a string of broken hearts and (occasional) vows of revenge. Casanova's only motivation is indulging his lust and desire, sating them with the bodies of his conquests."

    The Vamp's definition: "A classic character type, the beauty who uses her feminine wiles to undermine a moral and upright man, for evil purposes. She's evil and sexy, a liar and a sneak, and uses the good guy's sympathy against him, often with a sob story about her mother and some hospital bills or a Wounded Gazelle Gambit. Unlike the Femme Fatale and ~Mad Scientist's Beautiful Daughter~, she is rotten to the core, and will never be swayed from the path of darkness by love."

    The two definitions show that The Casanova has no ulterior motives in his seduction - he seduces for the sake of seduction and its resulting sexual pleasure; he is also not inherently evil, and may in fact overlap with Chivalrous Pervert if he actually cares for his conquests (like the Trope Namer himself). The Vamp, on the other hand, by defintion always uses seduction as a means to "undermine" the morality/uprightness of her conquest (Note the lack of plural; per the definition, Really Gets Around is not a requirement, unlike The Casanova.) and/or exploit him.

    Even the words' dictionary definitions emphasize these differences: Casanova = "a man with a reputation for having many amorous adventures"; Vamp = "a seductive woman who uses her sensuality to exploit men".

    PS: Tweaked the description and title a little.
  • August 17, 2011
    69BookWorM69
    @ King Zeal Promiscuity ("screw em and leave em") isn't necessarily evil to everyone. Further, suggesting that it is evil for one gender and not the other (or more evil for one than the other) is a double standard. Part of the Double Standard is that men are expected to be sexually experienced (and are lauded for it) and women aren't (and are condemned if they are).

    I concur with those who say this trope is about a woman who has many amorous adventures for the sake of the amour, lacking any other motive like persuading your lover to kill your husband and help you collect the insurance money. If The Vamp is posited at the Distaff Counterpart of the The Casanova, then that reflects a double standard and needs to be fixed.

  • August 17, 2011
    whereismytea
    ^Then she is an Ethical Slut. Which we already have.
  • August 17, 2011
    Falco
    The title Lady Casanova immediately made me think of Ethical Slut.
  • August 17, 2011
    KingZeal
    Personally, I still think this is splitting hairs, especially since the trope description for this YKTTW basically says she "leaves a trail of broken-hearted men behind her". Whether the purposes of her seduction was for another evil goal or just using the man and discarding him, there's quite a bit of overlap.

    If anything, I'd say that The Casanova description where it says his only goal is to satisfy his lust is narrowing that trope a little too much. But, whatever. If you can get enough to differentiate this trope, then cool. I give.
  • August 17, 2011
    MarqFJA
    ^^^ & ^^: Ethical Slut is a gender-neutral trope that has no intrinsic relationship to The Casanova, Good Bad Girl, or other such tropes beyond occasional overlap, and who has a quite different defintion: "A heroic character who believes that sex is good, and therefore a good thing for anyone to have with each other whenever they want."
  • August 17, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
  • August 18, 2011
    MarqFJA
    In that order: "Vixen"'s definition is more "spiteful woman" than "foxy/seductive woman" (and "foxy" only means "sexually attractive", anyway), character-naming is discouraged unless it's a Fountain Of Expies, and "seductress" does not have any connotations of promiscuity.
  • August 18, 2011
    IkedaFan
    The name needs work. It sounds too yuri-specific to call a woman a Casanova. Although, many would qualify, too.
  • August 18, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    ^^Jezebel is a character that is used as a word, like Casanova is, not just a character.

    My main issue is that if you are just going to name the trope Lady Casanova, you might as well make the Casanova gender-neutral and Lady Casanova a redirect.
  • August 18, 2011
    Nocturna
    ^I agree with NoirGrimoir; I don't see why we couldn't just add a note to the Casanova page that sometimes the trope shows up in a female character. Tropes are flexible, after all.

    On top of that, I'm not sure that this is actually tropeable, as we have yet to garner a single example.

    ^^^ and ^While The Jezebel isn't a problem for being a character name, it doesn't refer to what this trope is about at all; a Jezebel is evil, shameless, and scheming. (Historically, Jezebel was the queen of Israel; her main claims to infamy are religious genocide and doing whatever it took to get whatever she wanted.)
  • August 18, 2011
    69BookWorM69
    Revising The Casanova to make it female inclusive (and with Lady Casanova as a redirect) would solve the problem.
  • August 19, 2011
    MarqFJA
    Well, I don't have a problem with revising The Casanova. As for examples, all I can say is that I only remember examples from hentai manga/doujin; I think that mainstream media have a Double Standard that discriminates against female casanovas so much that they're considerably rare in comparison to their male counterparts.
  • August 19, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    Well, I feel like I've seen older girls (late twenties) who are more the Ladette type, who don't take romance or sex too seriously and don't expect their partners to either, who might count, but then their exploits are more implied than shown.
  • August 19, 2011
    Falco
    nthing making The Casanova apply to females as well.

    One prominent example that comes to mind is Shane from The L Word.
  • August 19, 2011
    nitrokitty
    Diary Of A Nymphomaniac is all about this trope.
  • March 8, 2012
    NateTheGreat
    How is this different from Really Gets Around?
  • March 9, 2012
    MarqFJA
    Really Gets Around is simply sexual promiscuity, irrespective of the character in question's sex; this trope is about a woman who is both unapologetically promiscuous and is a successful sexual predator (And before you say it, the two are not equivalent).
  • March 9, 2012
    pawsplay
    The traditional name is Man Eater
  • March 9, 2012
    lebrel
    I think you could stick Rare Female Examples on the Casanova page until there's enough to split off; that's what the Rare Female Example / Rare Male Example message is for.
  • March 9, 2012
    MarqFJA
    ^ Maybe I will do that.
  • March 11, 2012
    ChaoticDreams
    Claire Howell from Oz.
  • March 11, 2012
    MarkThis
    Amelia Frost from X Men?
  • March 12, 2012
    MarqFJA
    No Zero Context Examples or X Just X, please. Explain how they fit; d not assume that everyone are familiar with the works that you're interested in.
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