Created By: MattStriker on May 14, 2013 Last Edited By: MattStriker on May 21, 2013
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Chainsaw Grip BFG

Holding a really big gun like it was a logging tool.

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Bob has a Really Big Gun. It's noisy, destructive, and probably has an endearing nickname. But the main thing that shows everybody what a BFG it is...is the way he holds it. A fore handle, chainsaw-style, and a grip in the back, firing from the hip.

Now, this would be a really stupid thing to do IRL for various reasons, but in assorted media it has basically become the default way of depicting oversized man-portable weaponry. It can also be used specifically because it is stupid: To demonstrate that a weapon has no need for accuracy, or that the wielder doesn't really care about cover.

Frequently appears in conjunction with Gatling Good.

Compare Gangsta Style and Guns Akimbo for firearms techniques similarly based on Rule of Cool.

Examples

Comic Books

Film

Live-Action TV
  • In a flash-forward due to Negative Space Wedgie in the Babylon 5 episode "Babylon Squared," Garibaldi is seen using some sort of Gatling PPG this way against unseen aggressors.

Tabletop Game

Video Game
  • Dune II. The Heavy Trooper, favored infantry unit of the Harkonnen and Sardaukar, carries a really big machinegun like this.
  • Many heavy weapons in the Fallout franchise are used like this, including several incarnation of the Minigun and the "Incinerator" flamethrower/grenade launcher hybrid from Fallout: New Vegas.
  • In Gods Eater Burst, all three gun types for the gun mode of the God Arcs are held in this fashion.
  • Spartans wield detached turrets in this style in the Halo series.
  • Vulcan Raven of Metal Gear Solid does this.
  • The BFG from Quake II is wielded much like this.
  • Star Wars: The Old Republic. Assault cannons, oversized weapons carried by the Commando class are held this way.
  • Team Fortress 2. The Heavy's miniguns all follow this design. The Medigun and its variants use a slightly more sensible design with a pistol grip helow the barrel in addition to the top handle.
  • The X-COM clone/tribute game UFO: Extraterrestrials follows this design for most of its heavy weapons, with a few (shoulder-mounted) exceptions.

Western Animation
  • Transformers Prime:
    • Dreadwing and Skyquake carry their guns this way. Averted by Optimus' minigun, as he's big enough to carry it one handed (Though still under-slung).
    • Optimus Prime wields a Gatling Gun in this manner in "Beast Hunters"

Real Life
Community Feedback Replies: 41
  • May 14, 2013
    Chabal2
    Warhammer 40 K: Space Marine Heavy Bolters are fired this way.

  • May 14, 2013
    arbiter099
    I'm a little confused, is this any instance of Firing From The Hip and especially with a huge gun?
  • May 14, 2013
    MattStriker
    It's about this particular mix:

    Linky 1 Linky 2

    Foregrip above the barrel. Second handle/trigger in the back rather than a pistol or rifle grip. Basically, held like a chainsaw.
  • May 14, 2013
    arbiter099
    Ah, I see now. So, Impractical Action Hero Gun Grip

    Interestingly, the original BFG isn't an example. [1] [2]

    It's clearly a shoulder support thingy and Doom Guy does shoulder it in a realistic manner(except when firing one handed to be badass.) It's still impractical, but most likely justified given the scifi setting.

    Spartans and anyone else (since they share animations) who rips a turret off of its mount in the Halo games carry them like this. Halo Wars included.
  • May 14, 2013
    aurora369
    Not exactly a gun grip by choice: a specific ergonomic arrangement of handles on the gun itself.
  • May 14, 2013
    StarSword
    I like the second image Matt Striker posted. Shall I do some fiddling so we can add it to the page?
  • May 14, 2013
    Bobchillingworth
    The gatling laser and minigun in Fallout 3 & Fallout New Vegas use this design.

    The trope originator is likely the gatling gun one solider carriers in Predator.
  • May 14, 2013
    StarSword
    TV:
    • In a flash-forward due to Negative Space Wedgie in the Babylon Five episode "Babylon Squared," Garibaldi is seen using some sort of Gatling PPG this way against unseen aggressors.

    Also, a version of the image I mentioned, cropped and shrunk.
  • May 14, 2013
    MattStriker
    Actually, I checked. Ventura's character in Predator sort of averts this by holding it below the barrel(s) with his left hand.

    The Fallout series definitely uses this though.
  • May 14, 2013
    arbiter099
    Vulcan Raven of Metal Gear Solid does this.

    Anyone notice a ton of Gatling Good with this?
  • May 14, 2013
    Bobchillingworth
    Yup :P It's not completely exclusive though. Fallout 3's "Broken Steel" DLC includes a flamethrower-cannon thing wielded this way, although I can't recall the exact name. The Incinerator, maybe?
  • May 14, 2013
    arbiter099
    that was it, although it was more a flame-mortar than a traditional flamethrower. In any case, it was the same animations as the regular Fallout3 minigun/gatling laser/flamer/other Big Guns
  • May 14, 2013
    arbiter099
    I still want to say that this is born from a desire to depict badasses shooting from the hip like Rambo but with even bigger BFGs that would be impossible to weild/aren't man portable at all in Real Life a bit of Gatling Good and Rule Of Cool thrown in too.
  • May 15, 2013
    Medinoc
    In Team Fortress 2, the medigun (and variants) probably counts too.
  • May 15, 2013
    MattStriker
    Looks like Terminator 2 is the trope codifier here. this page even calls it a 'Chainsaw Grip'. Does anybody have a second source of that term being used?
  • May 15, 2013
    MattStriker
    Also, can somebody think of examples from the Anime/Manga category? I thought Millie's stungun from Trigun would be an example, but that uses a completely different (and far more sensible) grip arrangement. I know there's examples there, I just can't name any right now :P.
  • May 15, 2013
    CobraPrime
    • Transformers Prime: Dreadwing and Skyquake carry their guns this way. Averted by Optimus' minigun, as he's big enough to carry it one handed (Though still under-slung).
    • Warhammer40k: Most heavy weapons are wielded like this. Beside the aforementioned Heavy Bolter, the Plasma Cannons and the Multi Melta also are carried like this.
  • May 15, 2013
    Tallens
    • In Halo3 The Master Chief could rip mounted weapons off their stands then carry them like this.
  • May 15, 2013
    MattStriker
    I just realized I have no idea how to properly add a page image :P.
  • May 15, 2013
    Bakazuki
    Video Game example:

    • In Gods Eater Burst, all three gun types for the gun mode of the God Arcs are held in this fashion.
  • May 15, 2013
    Bobchillingworth
    For a trope title, perhaps combine what you have now into "Chainsaw Grip BFG"? Also, the current page image is a great depiction of the trope in action, but it seems almost a crime to not use Arnold & his minigun :P
  • May 15, 2013
    StarSword
    ^They're already using that for Gatling Good, and frankly I think the TOR shot is easier to see what's happening with.

    Also, I hyperlinked the image to its source's work page.
  • May 16, 2013
    Lumpenprole
    Real Life:
    • The Browning Automatic Rifle was originally intended to be a trench-storming weapon, fired from the hip due to its strong recoil.
    • Chainsaw grips are now available for shotguns. Of debatable practicality but So Rule Of Cool.
  • May 16, 2013
    Lumpenprole
    Film:
  • May 16, 2013
    MattStriker
    Good catch on the smartgun. Old Painless has an underbarrel grip, though.
  • May 17, 2013
    TwoGunAngel
    The BFG from Quake II is wielded much like this.
  • May 17, 2013
    MattStriker
    So, it's been three days and we have a decent amount of examples from various media.

    The question at this point is...what more does this need to be launch-ready? Suggestions welcome...
  • May 17, 2013
    MattStriker
    Bumping
  • May 18, 2013
    Tallens
  • May 18, 2013
    MattStriker
    Haven't seen that movie yet so I can't verify it. Can I get some confirmation about that scene?
  • May 18, 2013
    StarSword
    ^^^We need to settle on a trope title and maybe find some tropes for a compare/contrast section.
  • May 18, 2013
    Tallens
    ^^Sure, go and see it.
  • May 18, 2013
    DracMonster
    It's probably worth noting in the description that in Real Life any gun heavy enough to need a grip like this would need to be mounted to realistically use it as a weapon. There's no way a normal human being could steady it properly against the kickback and nozzle riding.
  • May 18, 2013
    MorningStar1337
    To append the Transformers Prime example, Optimus Prime wields a Gatling Gun in this manner in "Beast Hunters"
  • May 19, 2013
    MattStriker
    I think we can all agree that Terminator 2 was the Trope Codifier, so I've edited the example to reflect that.

    Aside from that...'Chainsaw Grip' is the best title I can see at this point. If anybody has a really good idea I'll take it, but for now I'm using it as the one to launch under.

    Oh, and for a compare/contrast: Gangsta Style and Guns Akimbo as similar Rule Of Cool firearm techniques, maybe?
  • May 19, 2013
    Bobchillingworth
    I think "Chainsaw Grip BFG" is best, since otherwise the trope title is both mundane-sounding and suggests it could include things like actual chainsaws.
  • May 20, 2013
    MattStriker
    Bump for more attention.

    Anybody else willing to chime in on the title? We've got one vote for Chainsaw Grip (mine :P) and one for Chainsaw Grip BFG (Bob).
  • May 20, 2013
    DracMonster
    I'll vote for Chainsaw Grip BFG. Encapsulates it pretty well.
  • May 21, 2013
    Arivne
  • May 21, 2013
    MattStriker
    Chainsaw Grip BFG it is, then.
  • May 21, 2013
    DracMonster
    • If you have $3500 burning a hole in your pocket, you can order a BB-firing replica of the Terminator 2 minigun.
    • Some paintball enthusiasts have custom built paintball versions.
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