Created By: Grandmasterbeef on May 28, 2011 Last Edited By: Grandmasterbeef on June 7, 2011

Carbon Copy Sequel

When a sequel tries to completely re-create its predecessor.

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When a sequel tries to re-create it's predecessor: the first movie was so unique that writers feel the only thing to do is have the same thing happen again.

Examples: The recent Hangover part 2, Home alone 2, die hard 2
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  • May 28, 2011
    Aielyn
    Usually, when they do this, they try to emulate the original, but they inherently exaggerate those things that were unique about the original, resulting in an exaggerated sequel. Can I suggest Flanderized Sequel?

    Consider Home Alone 2 - pretty much all the elements from the original are there, but just about everything is Up To Eleven, and all the characters are basically reduced to their key traits.
  • May 28, 2011
    randomsurfer
    This was Charlton Heston's attitude towards sequels in general.
  • May 29, 2011
    Premonition45
    Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.
  • May 29, 2011
    ShivaFang
    2nd vote for Flanderized Sequel.
  • May 29, 2011
    TBeholder
    Flanderized implies a peculiar distortion.
  • May 29, 2011
    Aielyn
    It doesn't have to be peculiar. Flanderized things become caricatures of themselves, with features that were subtle originally becoming their defining traits. Flanders himself was only mildly religious and occasionally said "okily dokily" and maybe "neighbourino"... until he was Flanderized, and suddenly he was a hyper-religious wingnut who couldn't complete a sentence without about ten words ending in "ily", "ino", or similar things.

    A Flanderized Sequel would be where a similar thing happens to pretty much everything within the sequel. All the characters become flanderized, they basically copy over the situation from the original into a new setting and then turn everything Up To Eleven, and even the plot itself is basically an exaggerated version of the original, often losing the motivation of the original in the process.
  • June 1, 2011
    OmarKarindu
    Strictly Formula Sequel makes immediate sense and ties this appropriately to Strictly Formula. Also, does Last Crusade really fit? Indy's father and his role in the plot, the opening flashback to childhood, and the love interest turning out to be a villain are all considerable departures from the previous two installments of the series.

    Other possible examples:
    • The Sting II
    • Ocean's Twelve and Ocean's Thirteen, to some extent. This is perhaps unavoidable givent he way the caper genre works.
    • Rocky IV is this to Rpcky III, as both films involve Rocky having to completely retrain in order to defeat a cartoonishly villainous, extraordinarily strong opponent who causes the death one of Rocky's friends. Interestingly, feeling that this cartoonish quality had perhaps gone too far, Sylvester Stallone seems to have constructed Rocky Balboa to mirror the first film in the series.
    • Final Destination had various near-identical sequels, since the Excuse Plot is mostly a way to stage elaborate Robinson Goldberg Machine death sequences.
    • Friday the 13th Part III and its sequel, The "Final" Chapter.
  • June 2, 2011
    ChimbleySweep
    Ghostbusters II.
  • June 2, 2011
    X2X
    Video Games
    • Gunstar Super Heroes and Advance Guardian Heroes, despite being set centuries after their prequels, so closely follow the plots of Gunstar Heroes and Guardian Heroes that they could be considered remaquels.
  • June 5, 2011
    JonnyB
  • June 5, 2011
    Umptyscope
    Was Desperado a remake or sequel to El Mariachi?
  • June 5, 2011
    Premonition45
    @Omar Karindu: Yes, Last Crusade does fit:

    • In the beginning, Indy is trying to get an artifact. Unlike the beginning of Raiders, Indy succeeds.
    • The shots of Indy teaching his class and Marcus walking up to the classroom are shot-for-shot identical.
    • Indy gets approached by the FBI/Donovan to find a Judeo-Christian artifact for them (the Ark of the Covenant/the Holy Grail).
    • Indy goes home and talks to Marcus about it. Marcus talks about the spiritual nature of the artifact.
    • Indy heads out of the country, meeting his eventual love interest (Marion/Elsa).
    • While there, they face forces trying to stop them from finding the artifact.
    • Ultimately, the Nazis are after the artifact.
    • The artifact is lost in the end (The Ark is locked away in a mysterious warehouse, the Grail falls into a crevice.).
  • June 5, 2011
    Zeta
    Strictly Formula Sequel is a good title.
  • June 5, 2011
    Zeta
    Mission Pack Sequel is this for video games, by the way, essentially.
  • June 5, 2011
    Zeta
    Also, Men In Black 2 (an experienced agent trains a rookie while on the hunt for an alien Mac Guffin that is under their noses the entire time while another group of aliens threaten to blow up earth if they don't get it).
  • June 6, 2011
    hotrods4ben
  • June 6, 2011
    jaytee
    I don't know if this is objective enough to be a useful trope. Any sequel can boil down to this if you try hard enough. The same good guys fight a bad guy. The same characters do more funny stuff. The dog that plays basketball plays another sport. Etc.
  • June 6, 2011
    jate88
    Does James Bond fit the example?
  • June 6, 2011
    jaytee
    Consider it this way. Aliens is a well-known example of a great sequel that is also completely different than its predecessor. It's not even the same genre (Alien being horror, Aliens being straightforward action). And yet, when you state the plot as one or two sentences, it's suddenly a Carbon Copy Sequel.

    Ripley wants nothing more than to continue living her mundane life, which is interrupted by the discovery of.... a cat. And then a violent alien species!, which proceeds to wipe out her team, one by one. Things are looking grim but Ripley beats the odds and blasts the alien out of an airlock.
  • June 6, 2011
    JonnyB
    It's not a carbon copy when a few major plot points are the same but the rest is vastly different.

    If you try hard enough, all tropes are like all other tropes. If you try hard enough, you're probably trying too hard.
  • June 6, 2011
    TBTabby
    The infamous shot-by-shot remake of Psycho.
  • June 7, 2011
    fulltimeD
    No mention of Airplane II yet? Exact same plot. Many of the same joke formulas. The sequel is practically interchangeable with the first one.
  • June 7, 2011
    OmarKarindu
    The remake of Psycho isn't a sequel, and thus definitionally cannot possibly qualify for this trope.
  • June 7, 2011
    jaytee
    ^^^^Not necessary to make fun. My point is that there's no clear way to define what would count. The list of examples is already turning into a generic list of sequels (as well as remakes, which have absolutely nothing to do with the trope at hand). When you're suffering trope decay before you even launch, you may need to redefine the limits of your trope.
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