Created By: HadashiNovember 23, 2011 Last Edited By: HadashiOctober 6, 2012
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Ironic Paradox

Effect = Cause

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So you have just killed the Big Bad? Ooops, that's what created them in the first place. Trying to save the universe by ripping a hole in it? Turns out the hole was what caused the problem in the first place! Of course, what actually initiated the chain of events in question is now a complete mystery. As well as events, this can often result in objects that are never created but are instead passed around through time without any adequate - explanation - something that is often Lampshaded by the characters themselves.

Kids, don't play with paradoxes.


Examples:

Comics
  • In Crisis On Infinite Earths the death of The Flash causes the lightning bolt that originally transformed Barry Allen into the Flash. (At least that's the WMG about it.)

Film
  • In Star Trek Voyager the crew responds to a distress call, which turns out to be themselves, and responding to the distress call is what puts them in distress in the first place. Janeway explains that in some cases "effect can preceed cause."

Web Original
  • In Homestuck, Paradox Space means that a lot of what happens is caused by the characters (or your?) reactions to what happens. Try to escape your dieing homeworld? Your very escape is what caused it to start dieing....or so it seems.

Community Feedback Replies: 12
  • November 23, 2011
    Shnakepup
    I don't get it. Isn't this just Stable Time Loop?
  • November 23, 2011
    Hadashi
    I dunno. This is when actions in the present directly effect the past without phisical time travel. I.e., ripping the hole in the universe sends a 'shockwave through time' that causes the universe to begin unraveling. Isn't stable time loop is when you, say, go back in time to steal something in order to prevent it being stolen?
  • November 23, 2011
    Lore
    "This is sometimes referred to as a "time loop" paradox, particularly when a character, object, or piece of information was never originally created, but exists solely because of its own existence." As I understand it, that's this.
  • November 23, 2011
    Hadashi
    Hmm, I'm not sure this is Stable Time Loop. Any opinions?
  • November 23, 2011
    dalek955
  • November 24, 2011
    Koveras
    I think Self Fulfilling Prophecy is related.
  • November 24, 2011
    randomsurfer
    • In Star Trek Voyager the crew responds to a distress call, which turns out to be themselves, and responding to the distress call is what puts them in distress in the first place. Janeway explains that in some cases "effect can preceed cause."
    • In Crisis On Infinite Earths the death of The Flash causes the lightning bolt that originally transformed Barry Allen into the Flash. (At least that's the WMG about it.)
  • November 27, 2011
    fulltimeD
    I think this technically fits the definition of Stable Time Loop, in the "effect precedes cause" sense.
  • November 27, 2011
    fulltimeD
    If there's confusion about this being or not being Stable Time Loop, and the consensus is that a split is warranted, for simplicity's sake the name of this should be something like Effect Before Cause or Effect Precedes Cause.
  • November 27, 2011
    Generality
    This is definitely a form of Stable Time Loop.
  • December 2, 2011
    Hadashi
    I admit it is close, but what I'm talking about here is usually more the shockwave, hence Random's examples count.
  • October 6, 2012
    Telcontar
    It's too close; there's no difference. Discarding as a duplicate.

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