Created By: Melkior on May 12, 2013 Last Edited By: Melkior on May 31, 2013
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Pre-Battle Banter

Fighters exchange banter while waiting for a significant battle to start

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"The offensive is due to begin at 1500 hours, soldiers. It's only 1030 hours now, so clean and load your weapons, draw rations from stores, polish your boots, write your goodbye letters, go visit the toilet and above all, don't forget to talk amongst yourselves about how bad you think this battle may be, whether or not it's the Final Battle and just how stupid you think the generals are who want you to fight against such overwhelming odds."

This trope is all about the pre-battle scene. Almost inevitably, some of the fighters will know each other from their days "on the farm" and they'll discuss "old times". Occasionally the more nervous fighters will talk about their chances of getting through the battle alive, but most of the fighters will studiously avoid that subject, as though simply talking about it will somehow call down the wrath of the gods upon them and cause them to die when they wouldn't have otherwise. Instead, the fighters will discuss "what I'm going to do after the war", as though there was no chance of them dying.

If the battle is obviously a Lost Cause, there may be a lot of grumbling about being ordered to become Cannon Fodder for no good reason, but sometimes the upcoming battle is the only choice and the fighters know it, so even though they're certain that they're going to their deaths, they feel like they may as well go down fighting. If it's a plot point, it will be discussed before the battle.

Compare to Pre-Asskicking One-Liner which is about a single sentence or statement before commencing a fight. Pre-Battle Banter is about a whole conversation or even several conversations before a battle while the battle may still be some hours off, but with Pre-Asskicking One-Liner, combat usually immediately follows the one-liner.

This trope does not apply to the official briefing before the battle, although it may apply to banter exchanged between fighters during the briefing.

This trope also does not apply if the fighters don't know that a battle is imminent, or if the battle has already begun.

Pre-Battle Banter is a specific type of Action Film, Quiet Drama Scene and therefore a subtrope. Both tropes serve to increase tension and anticipation in the audience and both tropes encourage the audience to relate to the people involved in the drama, but this trope is specifically about the pre-battle scene.

Compare with Lock and Load Montage which mainly serves to show how crazy-prepared the protagonists are.

Examples:

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[[folder:Film - Live Action]]
  • In Star Wars - A New Hope, Luke Skywalker tries to persuade Han Solo to help in the upcoming battle and also exchanges words with friends from Tatooine before going into battle.
  • Independence Day.
    • During the briefing before the first attack on one of the invaders' ships, Marine pilots Wilder and Hiller joke around.
    Captain Wilder: You scared, man?
    Captain Hiller: No. You?
    Captain Wilder: No. (mock fear) Hold me!
    Captain Hiller: Hey, pay attention!
    • Later on, when they're at the flight line Captain Wilder continues.
    Captain Wilder: Let's kick the tires and light the fires, big daddy!
    Captain Wilder: ...As the Good Reverend would say: [switches to Southern preacher voice] Why we are on this particular mission, we'll never know. But I do know, here today, that the Black Knights will emerge victorious once again.
  • Aliens during the Drop Ship landing sequence.
    • Hudson starts things off.
    Hudson: Ready to get it on? You know it!
    Hudson: I'm ready, man! Ready to get it on!
    Hudson: We're on an express elevator to hell! Going down!
    • Ripley asks some pointed questions.
    Ripley: How many drops is this for you, Lieutenant?
    Lt. Gorman: 38. Simulated.
    Ripley: How many combat drops?
    Lt. Gorman: Uh, two..including this one.
    Other Marines: [roll their eyes]
    • Frost and Crowe discuss their feelings.
    Crowe: You always say "I got a bad feeling about this drop".
    Frost: OK, OK. When we get back without you, I'll call your folks.
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[[folder:Web Comics]]
  • Lampooned in the Star Wars parody webcomic, Darths & Droids in the same pre-battle scene as the film.
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Community Feedback Replies: 14
  • May 13, 2013
    Chabal2
  • May 13, 2013
    Melkior
    Why do you think I created the ykttw for the trope? :-)

    I'm not sure that a parody of Star Wars should be mentioned as an example because it's essentially the same example in a slightly different form. What do others think?
  • May 14, 2013
    Arivne
    Film
    • Independence Day.
      • During the briefing before the first attack on one of the invaders' ships, Marine pilots Wilder and Hiller joke around.
      Captain Wilder: You scared, man?
      Captain Hiller: No. You?
      Captain Wilder: No. Hold me.
      Captain Hiller: Hey, pay attention!
      • Later on, when they're at the flight line Captain Wilder continues.
      Captain Wilder: Let's kick the tires and light the fires, big daddy!
      Captain Wilder: ...As the Good Reverend would say: [switches to Southern preacher voice] Why we are on this particular mission, we'll never know. But I do know, here today, that the Black Knights will emerge victorious once again.
  • May 14, 2013
    Chabal2
    ^^ Of course it's an example, if only as an Homage or a parody.
  • May 14, 2013
    1810072342
    You might want to make sure you clarify the difference between this and Pre Asskicking One Liner.
  • May 14, 2013
    Melkior
    ^ Done and thanks for the pointer.
  • May 16, 2013
    Melkior
    Bumping for visibility. Also we have the minimum three examples for a trope. Is it worth launching now?
  • May 20, 2013
    Melkior
    I've added a hat. Anyone else care to hat the trope?
  • May 24, 2013
    Melkior
    Really? Nobody else thinks this is tropeworthy? Surely this is a case of Seen It A Million Times?
  • May 24, 2013
    Arivne
    Film
    • Aliens during the Drop Ship landing sequence.
      • Hudson starts things off.
      Hudson: Ready to get it on? You know it!
      Hudson: I'm ready, man! Ready to get it on!
      Hudson: We're on an express elevator to hell! Going down!
      • Ripley asks some pointed questions.
      Ripley: How many drops is this for you, Lieutenant?
      Lt. Gorman: 38. Simulated.
      Ripley: How many combat drops?
      Lt. Gorman: Uh, two..including this one.
      Other Marines: [roll their eyes]
      • Frost and Crowe discuss their feelings.
      Crowe: You always say "I got a bad feeling about this drop".
      Frost: OK, OK. When we get back without you, I'll call your folks.
  • May 27, 2013
    Melkior
    I'm still looking for hats because I'd rather not launch the trope without at least three hats and preferably the standard five.
  • May 28, 2013
    kjnoren
    What purpose the trope serves in the work? People talk all the time, no matter the situation.

    I think there is a good trope to create here, and that is sort of the opposite of the Lock And Load Montage. That one serves to show how crazy prepared or badass some characters are, this one can serve to show the humanity (or equivalent) of the characters. Of course, that need not be limited to talk. Looking at pictures of girlfriends or the last letter from home can also serve that purpose.

    Of course, that makes it quite close to Action Film Quiet Drama Scene.
  • May 28, 2013
    Melkior
    After reading, I'd say that this is either a sister trope or subtrope of Action Film Quiet Drama Scene. This trope serves a similar purpose to Action Film Quiet Drama Scene in that it helps to build tension and anticipation in the audience.
  • May 31, 2013
    Melkior
    I think this trope is ready for launching now. I'll give it until 3 June to give people a chance to raise valid objections, then launch.
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