Created By: neoYTPism on March 27, 2011 Last Edited By: neoYTPism on May 4, 2015
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Who was I kidding, a whole bunch of my YKTTW ideas were garbage. Now to nuke them...
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  • March 27, 2011
    StarryEyed
  • March 27, 2011
    neoYTPism
    Just to be extra clear, bear in mind that this is not just about cards. Not saying that is why you picked the examples you did, Starry Eyed, I just figure it would not hurt to emphasize this point.
  • March 27, 2011
    Kaoy
    I think this may be To Rare to Trope.
  • March 27, 2011
    neoYTPism
    There are at least 3 examples so far, Kaoy, and that is not even counting real-life ones. It is a varied enough trope that there are probably further examples.
  • March 27, 2011
    Kaoy
    Perhaps its just to specific then. I personally can't think of any thing but cards getting turned this way. Now if it's about finding papers with things they might not want to know while snooping, I can think of a number of examples of the top of my head. When would anyone ever have to flip a piece of paper, even in fiction? Turning a page is the only thing I can think of, but thats turning a page, not flipping.

    As for your grades example, I know of several scenes in manga where a variation happens in which the character waits for the teacher to reach them while praying, but that's far more common, both in real life and fiction. This is more likely a variation of what ever that is, than the other way around.
  • March 27, 2011
    neoYTPism
    That is why I said Dramatic Paper Turning, not dramatic paper flipping @ point about "turning a page, not flipping"
  • April 6, 2011
    neoYTPism
    On a sidenote, I switched to Dramatic Turning Of The Paper, to avoid the "vague reference" issues. (Ie. Leaving no room for interpreting it as calling the paper dramatic.)
  • April 6, 2011
    Stratadrake
    By the way, that image is really too dark to read.
  • April 6, 2011
    chihuahua0
  • April 6, 2011
    TTurtle
    Do we have a trope for reluctance to open an envelope because you don't know if it contains good news (acceptance) or bad news (rejection)? If not, could that be combined with this? That would give you more examples.
  • April 6, 2011
    neoYTPism
    ^ I suppose that would be Dramatic Unfolding Of The Paper. A name that encompasses both this and the "turning" aspect would be good, then.
  • April 7, 2011
    TTurtle
    What about something with word reveal? Something like Dramatic Reveal, Revealing The Paper, or Message Reveal?
  • April 8, 2011
    neoYTPism
    That would not narrow it down ENOUGH, T Turtle.
  • April 11, 2011
    StarryEyed
    Yeah, I realize this is not written as just about cards, I just can't think of any other situation where it happens. A regular sheet of paper is just too floppy to look dramatic if turned suddenly.
  • April 11, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    I think maybe this could just be about revealing cards. I'm certain there are a lot of media with poker and tarot cards that have this kind of reveal. Actually anything with a poker game would probably have this, including Casino Royale. And it seems to me that Card Captor Sakura probably has a few instances of this.
  • April 12, 2011
    neoYTPism
    Thing is, things with other kinds of paper are often similar to this being done with cards; probably too similar to split.
  • April 12, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    ^ Maybe, but I can't think of a single non-card example, and I don't see one having been submitted yet either.
  • April 13, 2011
    neoYTPism
    Kaoy mentioned that examples relating to someone finding papers while snooping, or turning pages, would probably qualify as this. T Turtle mentioned the idea of opening an envelope as a subset of this. Regardless of the lack of specific examples, this suggest it isn't just done with cards.
  • April 13, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    Maybe it should be something like Dramatic Image Reveal. Anything involving lots of text on a paper wouldn't be dramatic because it would take to long to read until you get to the dramatic part, so only pictures, symbols and short phrases, no matter what medium its on or made of. This would include cards being flipped, things being taken out of envelopes and unfolding pieces of paper, as well as, say, flashing a meaningful tattoo, all kinds of things.
  • April 14, 2011
    neoYTPism
    It could be big text instead @ Noir Grimoir
  • April 14, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    The truth is that if something is more that six seven words long, no matter the size, you don't see the substance of the text, you just see a Wall Of Text. Your brain can only process information so fast and the drama of the moment comes from instant recognization, so if there's too much text then really I doubt it would qualify as this trope, unless their was some kind of camera trick to zoom in on the relevant part or something similar.
  • April 15, 2011
    neoYTPism
    Well, in any case, Dramatic Image Reveal still just seems a bit too restrictive.
  • April 15, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    That's just a case of names, we just need to think of one more inclusive.
  • April 17, 2011
    neoYTPism
    Indeed, but the name and the definition are still interconnected. The question is how much to narrow it down, and what name would fit with that.
  • April 17, 2011
    NoirGrimoir
    I feel that's what I just said, but whatev. I think really as long as you explain the effect the trope goes for, the examples will narrow themselves down (in terms of text, which you seemed to be concerned about) since if it isn't dramatic them it won't fit the trope. Mention something about instant recognizance of whatever is on the surface, maybe. I think the big question is whether it has to be on paper or if it can include say tattoos, or patches sown onto clothes, (like suddenly realizing a character is int he SS or something from a patch) etc. That's really up to you. But maybe making it have to be on paper or a paper like material would be an easy place to draw the line.
  • April 19, 2011
    neoYTPism
    I think I already explained the theme of the trope well enough. Anyone else on this?
  • April 23, 2011
    TTurtle
    I'm the one who mentioned envelopes, and I never came back and said anything about it, partly because I'm still not sure that what I was thinking of actually fits in the trope as you're describing it. Let me give you a non-envelope example first: how about the scene in Willy Wonka And The Chocolate Factory where Charlie dramatically rips open the first bar of chocolate to reveal . . . nothing! Then the second time, he opens it more slowly and cautiously, and reveals a tiny glimpse of gold. I don't think that really fits in this trope, as described, but it seems to me that it's related.

    The other example is of people opening envelops to find out whether it contains a rejection or acceptance to a college, or to find out test scores. Again, that seems like something different from this trope, but related, and I'm not sure that we have a trope that covers that. (Do we? I might be missing it.) So maybe I'm really just suggesting a need for a possible sister trope to Dramatic Image Reveal? This YKTTW could be just for turning over cards to reveal an image, but there could be some kind of separate trope for dramatic opening of boxes, envelopes, and whatnot.
  • April 23, 2011
    randomsurfer
    Star Trek The Next Generation: Holodeck character Moriarty is discovered to be self-aware when he gives Data a piece of paper. He and Geordi rushes out of the holodeck, and then Data hands Geordi the paper. Geordi says "that's impossible" and flips the paper so the camrea can see it, revealing that Moriary drew a picture of the Enterprise. Strangely, given the way that Geordi handled The Reveal it appears that he was looking at the drawing upside-down.
  • May 2, 2011
    neoYTPism
    It's simple, T Turtle; opening the first bar to reveal nothing would be a subversion, and opening the second more cautiously to reveal gold would be a double-subversionn.
  • May 3, 2011
    TTurtle
    But would it count as a paper reveal at all, since it's about opening something rather than turning it over? That's the bigger question. I can't tell whether this trope is supposed to cover things like that, or not.
  • May 31, 2014
    Hero_Gal_2347
    Bump.
  • June 1, 2014
    DAN004
    What IS this, actually?
  • June 1, 2014
    Hero_Gal_2347
    I think it's "turning over the paper leads to a reveal."

    A possible example from the Scooby Doo Where Are You episode "Hassle in the Castle." Fred finds a map and is trying to read it when Scooby, looking from the back, sees the word DANGER. He turns it over and the others see the words, "Danger, leave Haunted Isle."
  • June 1, 2014
    needsanewhobby
    Subverted in Bedknobs And Broomsticks: Mrs Price turns over a page expecting to find the words to a magic spell she had been keen to learn, only to discover that the rest of the book is missing.
  • June 1, 2014
    randomsurfer
    Maybe it's just my monitor, but it seems to me that the picture is so dark I can't tell what it's supposed to be demonstrating.
  • June 1, 2014
    Hero_Gal_2347
    I can see that it's a "joker" card, but it is pretty dark.
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