Created By: HiddenFacedMatt on July 26, 2011 Last Edited By: HiddenFacedMatt on August 18, 2011

Treasonous Speech Accusation

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"You're starting to sound like a separtist."
- Anakin to Padme in an (IIRC) deleted scene from Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, when Padme questions the government a bit too much.

This is for when certain ideas are, rightly or wrongly, associated with a particular group that is popularly opposed, in turn creating a stigma against expressing said opinions.

Those supporting such stigmas are like McCarthyists.

Note that this isn't just overgeneralizing, it's also Ad Hominem; instead of rebutalling on the points, it rebutalls based on WHO the points are associated with.
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  • July 26, 2011
    Happens in Dogma, when Bartleby gets a little ranty.
    Loki: Oh know who you sound like?
    Bartleby: You shut your goddamn mouth.
    Loki: You sound like the Morning Star. You sound like fucking Lucifer, man!
  • July 26, 2011
    To channel Fast Eddie for a moment, needs a title that doesn't sound like dialog.
  • July 27, 2011
    ... I'm not sure what to go with, could you suggest one? @ randomsurfer
  • July 27, 2011
    Treasonous Speech Accusation? It's a little clunky, I know, but it's non-dialogue.
  • July 27, 2011
    Can also be a legitimate warning that the hero is becoming Not So Different from the villain.
  • July 27, 2011
    In the second Lord Of The Rings movie:
    Frodo: I know what I must do, Sam. The Ring was entrusted to me. It's my task! Mine! My own!
    Sam: Can't you hear yourself? Don't you know who you sound like?
    Sam is talking about Gollum, who was corrupted by the Ring to the point of calling it his "precious."
  • July 27, 2011
    ^^^^ I propose Hitler Ate Sugar. ^_^
  • August 3, 2011
    ^ That one is for guilt by association in general. This is more for accusing those who express X ideas of being Y.

    Anyway, Treasonous Speech Accusation seems fine.
  • August 3, 2011
    A type of Demonization.
  • August 3, 2011
    I agree that this is covered by Hitler Ate Sugar. They're not quite synonymous, but editing Hitler Ate Sugar to make these sort of examples a clearer part of the article seems more elegant than making a separate trope.
  • August 15, 2011

    The users in this TRS thread disagree with you, lukebn.
  • August 18, 2011
    It's a subtrope, so it boils down to the usual question: is it big enough to have a separate page or not?
  • August 18, 2011
    Whatever they're saying in TRS, "accusing those who express X ideas of being Y" sounds almost perfectly like Hitler Ate Sugar. Even those in the TRS thread seem to be saying that what you're describing isn't that, but Hitler Ate Sugar is.