Created By: TropeBuster9999 on June 13, 2012 Last Edited By: TropeBuster9999 on June 19, 2012

Zeus Thor Jupiter

Several gods are the Same Person/entity

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Zeus Thor Jupiter are variation of Julius Beethoven Davinci that applies to gods, preferably Polytheistic Gods

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  • in Real Life. Zeus, Thor, Enlil, Jupiter, and Baal are the same entity/person as the Horon, Horus, and Odin are also the same entity. and so on
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  • June 13, 2012
    JonnyB
    I think that would be Zeus Odin Jupiter, as they were all the top gods. Thor was more akin to Apollo.
  • June 13, 2012
    Duncan
    Mentioned in the last few chapters of Crossover Cosmology, but it looks like we don't have a trope for this.
  • June 13, 2012
    Koveras
    Objection! Zeus, Thor, and Enlil are not the same entity. They have similar powers, but they have never been originally identified with each other. Even Zeus and Jupiter were not the same entity until the Romans merged the old Greek and Etruscan cults. What you are describing kinda took place during the age of syncretic religions in the Hellenistic era but the Germanic pagan gods were never included in such mergers.

    Also, as Jonny B pointed out, in the Greco-Roman myths, Zeus was both the Top God and the god of thunder, while in the Germanic myths, Odin is the former, while Thor is the latter. Also, the Stoics identified Zeus with the monotheistic god, and this identification was used to ease the pagan Romans into Christianity in the 4th century but it doesn't mean that Judeo-Christian God is the same as original Greek Zeus.

    I would therefore strongly suggest a No Real Life Examples Please clause.
  • June 13, 2012
    kjnoren
    From a linguistic and development standpoint, Zeus, Jupiter, and Thor are all the same God (Georges Dum├ęzil was the first to note this similarity, though he probably went a little to far with structural comparisons with regard to other gods).

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_religion

    Though I agree that this is hardly a trope.
  • June 13, 2012
    peccantis
    Objection! Mythology is not Real Life.
  • June 13, 2012
    Sligh
    Yes, sorry, but no trope here.
  • June 13, 2012
    DarkConfidant
    For an in-universe example, in the plane of Zendikar from Magic The Gathering, the merfolk deities Emeria, Cosi, and Ula have counterpart deities in the Kor pantheon. In this case, said deities are actually the ancient Eldrazi Emrakul, Kozilek, and Ulamog.
  • June 13, 2012
    surgoshan
    Perhaps God With Multiple Names, and include an example like the combination of Zeus and Jupiter, Hera and Juno, while indicating that, though they may have had a common origin, by the time of that syncretion their religions had diverged a great deal and had to be hammered together like a square peg and round hole.

    I believe most of the gods of D&D and Dragonlance have multiple names. I know for a fact that Paladine was happy to be worshipped as Fizban by the Kinders.
  • June 13, 2012
    GuesssWho
    Odin was the head Norse god.
  • June 13, 2012
    captainsandwich
    Zues and Thor aren't the same at all. Zues and Jupiter were pretty much the same. but Norse Mythology is quite different than Classical Mythology
  • June 14, 2012
    TropeBuster9999
    How about this: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread361451/pg1 given Mythologies are sets in the same Universe with ours
  • June 17, 2012
    Wii
    This is certainly a trope. The various gods of different mythologies turning out to be the same set of deities that humanity happens to have several different names for? I've seen that before (and actually intend to use it myself), so it's certainly a trope; though I do agree that we should avoid making statements in reference to real life.
  • June 17, 2012
    TropeBuster9999
    how about In Universe (as opposed to Real World mythologies) examples of this trope?
  • June 17, 2012
    randomsurfer
    Does This Count? I can't tell any more.
    • The Last Battle: In Narnia people worship Aslan. In Calmoren people worship Tash. Shift the ape claims that they're the same, calling this new concept "Tashlan," but very few accept that. We all know Aslan is real, but it turns out that so is Tash. When people do good things in Tash's name they're actually doing it for Aslan, and when people do bad things in Aslan's name they're actually doing it for Tash.
  • June 18, 2012
    Nithael
    Do these examples count?

    • Supernatural: Archangel Gabriel is also the god Loki, and it's implied he may also be other Trickster gods.

    • World Of Warcraft:
      • The goddess of the moon is called Elune by the Night elves, and is their main deity, but is called Mu'sha by the Taurens who just see her as one of the eyes of the Earthmother, the other being An'she, the sun.
      • The ancient wolf demigod is called Goldrinn by the Night elves, but Lo'Gosh by the orcs and Taurens.
  • June 18, 2012
    ergeis
    I feel like I should know what you're talking about because I think something like Shin Megami Tensei did something like that.
  • June 18, 2012
    Dacilriel
    While there are many parallels that can be drawn between various gods and goddesses from different polytheistic religions, you really can't say that they are the same entity. As was stated above, Zeus and Thor are both powerful gods who preside over thunder, but other than that they are very different from each other.

    I don't know whether this can really qualify as a trope or not. Is it just a list of gods from different religions who share similar characteristics? Is it examples of deities known by different names (ie Jupiter and Jove are two different names for the same god)? If it's just listing things that exist, without giving any explanation of how or why it occurs in media I don't think it qualifies. Can you write out a full description so we know exactly what this is intended to cover?
  • June 18, 2012
    Socius
    Western Animation
    • Hercules - Played for laughs. Herc and Phil travel to Norway and along the way seek out the Norns, the Norse equivalent of the Fates. Only it turns out that they actually *are* the Fates, who insist that they don't know the two. Phil calls them out on double dipping between mythologies.
  • June 19, 2012
    KingBuster2012
    How about Slapping Ancient Astronauts theory(or similar theories) to this Trope(both In Universe and Real Life Mythological examples)?
  • June 19, 2012
    ozzy63
    • Not sure if it's lampshade or not, but Minerva (a member of a race of precursors) in Assassin's Creed, when askes who she was answers:"Many names. When I died it was Minerva, before that Merva and Mera, and on and on. The other too, Juno, who was before called Uni, Jupiter, who was before called Tinia."
  • June 19, 2012
    Chabal2
    The Thanatonautes series uses this: the afterlife is staffed by superior beings who have been known by different names by seers and shamans across history. So the archangels Gabriel, Raphael and Michael were also Ptah, Anubis, Osiris, Coyote, Raven, etc.
  • June 19, 2012
    Cider
    Any example of this that would not fit on I Have Many Names?
  • June 19, 2012
    elwoz
    There is no doubt that there is a direct and usually obvious correspondence between the Greek and Roman pantheons, but correspondences with Celtic, Germanic, or Slavic deities are not nearly so straightforward.

    For instance, nobody seems to have thought Thor was the same as Jupiter even though both of them are thunder gods. Actual Roman-Empire syncretism identified Thor with Hercules and Odin with Mercury. Modern-day mythological analysis connects Tyr to the same proto-Indo-European god as Zeus and Jupiter (Dyeus).

    Certainly in Real Life all the various Indo-European pantheons evolved out of each other, but how it happened is really complicated and extensively disputed by scholars, and you might be surprised just how far afield some of the influences came from. I think it would be fair to say that fiction simplifies matters.
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