Created By: immortalfrieza on March 12, 2013 Last Edited By: immortalfrieza on April 1, 2013
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Offing The Mouth

A Snarker ends up dead because he won't shut his mouth.

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Sometimes, it doesn't pay to be a Deadpan Snarker. People don't like people that mock them, and sometimes this results in said people killing the snarker. It can be the end result of being the victim of a long time of constant snarking, a slip of the tongue around somebody with a Hair-Trigger Temper, or just because somebody had a bad day, but regardless, the snarker can and will end up dead because of his snarkatude. Likely to be Killed Mid-Sentence.

This usually happens with villains and their mooks, because the Big Bad is a Bad Boss, or between a Big Bad Ensemble, but it can sometimes happen with the more gritty Antiheroes, and is occasionally is Truth in Television, though in real life it usually takes a lot. One of the reasons that a villain might hate and try to kill the hero is because of this trope, though they rarely succeed.

If the snarker merely gets his ass kicked because of his snark, that is Not This Trope, unless the assailant was actively trying to kill the snarker. Success or failure to actually kill the snarker is irrelevant to this trope.

See Deadpan Snarker, who is most frequently the victim of this, with Snark-to-Snark Combat this trope can be the end result. Compare Do Not Taunt Cthulhu and Bullying a Dragon, which is when snarkers mock those it's pretty obvious they shouldn't, so these can sometimes overlap. Also compare to Killed to Uphold the Masquerade, which is another example of somebody being killed for (at least potentially) talking too much. This intersects with Rant-Inducing Slight and Rage Breaking Point.


Examples:

Anime
  • Digimon Tamers. Beelzebumon does this to Makuramon.
    Makuramon: What are you doing? If you continue this fight, not only will this domain of our gods be destroyed, but the whole world!
    Beelzebumon: Shut up...
    Makuramon: Foolish Chatsuramon... Why did he allow you to evolve?
    Beelzebumon: I said shut up! *Grabs Makuramon's head and crushes it*

Comic Books
  • Batman. The number of times that Gotham City mooks have been killed by their bosses precisely for this reason could fill up a page in and of itself.
  • Spider-Man, being a Deadpan Snarker extraordinare invokes this trope deliberately when he fights his enemies, to make them so pissed off they don't notice whatever plan he's setting them up for.

Literature
  • It. Richie Tozier is a largely involuntary Deadpan Snarker who must mock others whenever he notices something he can mock people for, and this is the reason Henry Bowers is out to get him, and along with the others of the Losers, out to kill him.
  • In the Discworld novel Unseen Academicals, the intellectual but totally unstreetwise Orc Mr Nutt gets this treatment from a gang of proto-football hooligans. His mistake was to try to engage them in debate on mob psychology and the sociopathology of overcrowded juvenile male rats. Nutt gets stabbed and left for dead by the gang.
Film

The Big Bad eventually gets enough during the final action sequence, and with a proper Pre-Mortem One-Liner shoots him dead with an Uzi.

Live-Action TV
  • In Community's second season Christmas Episode, "Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas," Planet Christmas has the"humbugs," a swarm of Christmas insects that devour anyone who's sarcastic. Jeff, who is incapable of not being snarky, is quickly eaten up by the bugs leaving behind only a skeleton.
Video Games
  • In FalloutNewVegas You can sell companion Arcade Gannon into slavery as Caesar's personal physician and then arrange for him to die in the quest Et Tumor Brute.

And should the Legion win at the Battle of Hoover Dam Legate Lanius Caesar's successor gets tired of Arcade's witty remarks and has him crucified.

Real Life
  • Socrates called himself a "Social Gadfly" for precisely this reason. He's say outrageous or taboo things simply to bring them into conversation, while knowing full well he was putting himself in danger by saying them and, like a gadfly, could be "swatted" at any time. Indeed, he was eventually executed on charges of corrupting the youth for with his words.
Community Feedback Replies: 33
  • March 12, 2013
    MokonaZero
    Likely to be Killed Mid Sentence. In the second sentence add "like" after the first word. This is kind of like Do Not Taunt Cthulhu, correct?
  • March 12, 2013
    thewriter
    In Community's second season Christmas Episode, "Abed's Uncontrollable Christmas," Planet Christmas has the"humbugs," a swarm of Christmas insects that devour anyone who's sarcastic. Jeff, who is incapable of not being snarky, is quickly eaten up by the bugs leaving behind only a skeleton.
  • March 12, 2013
    immortalfrieza
    @Mokona Zero Sort of, though unlike Do Not Taunt Cthulhu it's not necessarily obvious that the victim of this trope should not snark at whoever they are snarking at, it's also usually something the victim does out of habit or as an afterthought, without really intending to push the killer over the edge. Those tropes might overlap though, seeing as a snarker might piss off a godlike being. They are close enough to be in the compare list though, I'll add that.
  • March 12, 2013
    RedneckRocker
    I'm hoping that this eventually will happen in an episode of Two Broke Girls.
  • March 12, 2013
    DracMonster
    This intersects with Rant Inducing Slight and Rage Breaking Point.

    Snarkicidal Behavior

    Offing The Mouth (Does that pun on "mouthing off" well?)
  • March 13, 2013
    immortalfrieza
    Offing The Mouth works.
  • March 13, 2013
    Larkmarn
    Would this be related to the horror cliche about how the funny guy always dies?
  • March 13, 2013
    DracMonster
    ^Uh, is that a cliche? Is it a trope we have?

    If so it would be tangentially related if the snark was actually funny.
  • March 13, 2013
    Larkmarn
    It's not a trope we have (to my knowledge), but it's one that exists. After black guy, the worst guy to be in a horror movie is usually the funny guy.
  • March 13, 2013
    randomsurfer
    In Goodfellas Tommy beats Billy Batts to death because Billy "breaks his balls" over being a former shoeshine boy.
  • March 13, 2013
    KevinKlawitter
    Socrates called himself a "Social Gadfly" for precisely this reason. He's say outrageous or taboo things simply to bring them into conversation, while knowing full well he was putting himself in danger by saying them and, like a gadfly, could be "swatted" at any time. Indeed, he was eventually executed on charges of corrupting the youth for with his words.
  • March 13, 2013
    Larkmarn
    So, yeah. I was Random Item-ing around and came across this, which seems like it covers this trope pretty much: Death By Mocking. It's specifically about Horror tropes, but a little expanding the description and it fits perfectly.
  • March 13, 2013
    immortalfrieza
    @Larkmarn Maybe, but only if the funny guy dies specifically because of his snarking, if the funny guy is just killed because the killer was in Kill Em All mode, it doesn't count. However, it does count if the killer goes out of his way to kill that person just to shut him up, or if a bunch of other people are killed because they got in the way of the killer who's out to kill said snarker.
  • March 13, 2013
    DRCEQ
    I feel this trope should be related to Dont Kill The Messenger
  • March 13, 2013
    WeAreAllKosh
    This would be the lethal version of Talk To The Fist.
  • March 13, 2013
    Knight9910
    The "lethal only" rule should be removed. There's really no reason why this trope can't apply equally to just getting your ass kicked for making a smart-aleck remark, and including the rule makes the trope seem way too specific. It would be like if, instead of just having the trope Jumping On A Grenade we felt the need to have a subtrope Jumping On A Grenade But It Was A Dud So You Lived.

    Basically, doing it this way just needlessly forces us to make a second trope for the non-lethal version, and no Talk To The Fist doesn't count, because that's really more of a violent version of Shut Up Hannibal.
  • March 14, 2013
    immortalfrieza
    @Knight9910 I decided to limit it with a lethal only rule because I realized that allowing in non-lethal would cause this trope to be bogged down with an excessive amount of examples. Also, it would lean it toward YMMV territory, and I'd rather things be more definite.
  • March 14, 2013
    WeAreAllKosh
    ^^ First line of the Talk To The Fist description is:

    "So, you've got a guy who thinks fair fights are for suckers, and he's up against some idiot who won't shut up because he's trying to sound all cool and intimidating."

    That could cover trash talk, or snark (the "cool" part can refer to snark, at least). Talk To The Fist can actually cover a variety of situations where someone seeks to shut someone up with a fist (or other physical action), basically. So there is some analogy with this.

    And I agree there's a pretty significant difference between shutting up someone temporarily with a punch or an old fashioned beatdown, and... well, shutting them up permanently. Pretty big degree of magnitude's difference, and what it says about the character who does it.
  • March 19, 2013
    immortalfrieza
    So, is this ready to be published yet?
  • March 19, 2013
    Larkmarn
    No. Zero hats, not that many examples (yes, it has some, but YKTTW is the best place to cull more), and the issues people have with overlap aren't really resolved.
  • March 22, 2013
    AgProv
    Literature In the Discworld novel Unseen Academicals, the intellectual but totally unstreetwise Orc Mr Nutt gets this treatment from a gang of proto-football hooligans. His mistake was to try to engage them in debate on mob psychology and the sociopathology of overcrowded juvenile male rats. Nutt gets stabbed and left for dead by the gang.
  • March 23, 2013
    immortalfrieza
    I suppose this one^ will work, I don't know if it's snarking though, never read the book.

    I'm thinking of changing the title to "I Amuse You?!?" to tie it in with the Goodfellas example, what do you guys think?
  • March 23, 2013
    WeAreAllKosh
    ^ They tend to frown on stock phrases here as titles to new tropes. Those you see as trope titles have been grandfathered in already, I guess, before they adopted the policy. IMHO, sometimes a stock phrase is the most elegant or concise way to title a trope, if it is actually indicative of what the trope describes and is fairly generic (but that's just my opinion, "they" generally frown on even those). The thing with I Amuse You? is that nothing in that phrase indicates anything to do with the trope, and a reader would only "get it" if he'd seen Goodfellas--so probably not a good idea. Offing The Mouth seems good enough to me.
  • March 23, 2013
    Arivne
    ^ In other words, I Amuse You would be a violation of No New Stock Phrases and a Bad Trope Namer.
  • March 23, 2013
    immortalfrieza
    That's kinda ridiculous, but I'm not going to get into that. Still, that line might make a good page quote though.
  • March 23, 2013
    Aokage
    Anime
    • Digimon Tamers. Beelzebumon does this to Makuramon.
      Makuramon: What are you doing? If you continue this fight, not only will this domain of our gods be destroyed, but the whole world!
      Beelzebumon: Shut up...
      Makuramon: Foolish Chatsuramon... Why did he allow you to evolve?
      Beelzebumon: I said shut up! *Grabs Makuramon's head and crushes it*
  • March 25, 2013
    Andygal
    Compare to Killed To Uphold The Masquerade, which is another example of somebody being killed for (at least potentially) talking too much.
  • March 29, 2013
    immortalfrieza
    Ok great. Anybody have anything else, or are we good?
  • March 29, 2013
    immortalfrieza
    Tried launching it, it didn't go through.
  • March 29, 2013
    marcoasalazarm
    Think it needs five hats first or something.

    James Bond example:

    License To Kill: The drug kingpin Big Bad has an accountant as a helper that gets more and more snarky about the money loss that the typical James Bond-brand Roaring Rampage Of Revenge is giving them (Supervillain Lair-slash-drug lab blown up sky-high, Evil Minions killed, secret stolen Mac Guffin military weapons that they were going to sell on the black market wasted on trying to kill Bond, etc) as the movie goes on.

    The Big Bad eventually gets enough during the final action sequence, and with a proper Pre Mortem One Liner shoots him dead with an Uzi.

    Quote from the movie's Tropes page:

    -Truman-Lodge (Deadpan Snarker): "Brilliant! Well done, Franz! Another eighty-million dollar write-off!"

    -Sanchez (Big Bad): "Then I guess it's time to start cutting overhead." (cue More Dakka/SMG)
  • March 29, 2013
    Djanchorhead
    In FalloutNewVegas You can sell companion Arcade Gannon into slavery as Caesar's personal physician and then arrange for him to die in the quest Et Tumor Brute.

    And should the Legion win at the Battle of Hoover Dam Legate Lanius Caesar's successor gets tired of Arcade's witty remarks and has him crucified.

  • March 30, 2013
    immortalfrieza
    ^^ That's odd, I've launched a trope once before that only had 3 hats and it worked.
  • April 1, 2013
    immortalfrieza
    Tried launching it again, no luck. I get "Internet explorer cannot display the webpage" after the "This page launches a trope developed in YKTTW" page.
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