Created By: DorianMode on September 21, 2012 Last Edited By: DorianMode on January 19, 2015

Slender Blond Tsundere, Busty Brunette Friend

The two female love interests\' personalities correlate to the size of their chests, and hair color

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I don't know what it says about me or my taste in Anime that I noticed this, but here goes:

In a lot of Anime, of the two main love interests, one tends to be borderline-violent, blonde or redheaded, and, while not necessarily flat, anxious about that aspect of her figure. The other, meanwhile, tends to be nicer, gentler, and more wholesome, darker haired, while at the same time being far more...filled out.

This often occurs where there's a Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere at play; there's usually a more indulgent, and more 'feminine', character there to provide the beleaguered protagonist breathing room...though often at the expense of his ability to breathe. The latter tends to fall victim to Hopeless Suitor, Can Not Spit It Out, or some variety of Like Brother and Sister, from the male's perspective.

Related to Red Oni, Blue Oni, but with boobs. See also Light Feminine Dark Feminine

Here's Some Examples:

Video Games

  • While Aeris is by no means a Tsundere, she could be considered the primary love-interest of the game, in contrast to the more girl-next-door Tifa, she of the raven locks and famous chest.
  • El Sword: The first two female playable characters are Aisha the petite, abrasive magician and Rena, the motherly busty elf. The former is always jealous of the latter's breasts.
Community Feedback Replies: 62
  • September 21, 2012
    InsomniacWeasel
    Could have something to do with large breasts being associated with femininity, and, by extension, motherliness.
  • September 21, 2012
    DragonQuestZ
    This doesn't look sufficiently different from Buxom Is Better, and with the issues about sexually related tropes, it really needs to prove it belongs here, or else it will likely get cut.
  • September 21, 2012
    captainpat
    Buxom Is Better is about a character's attractiveness this seems to be about a character personality.
  • September 21, 2012
    DragonQuestZ
    ^ Okay, confused the context of "nicer". The name could be tweaked to make it clear it's about personality.
  • September 21, 2012
    captainpat
    nvm
  • September 21, 2012
    DorianMode
    I'm not satisfied with the name either; there is I think, a noteworthy correlation, but it could be expressed pithier. And I don't want to come across as too crude, both due to the aforementioned issues and general taste.
  • September 22, 2012
    Damr1990
    One side of the scale would be the Tiny Tyrannical Tsundere... the other one... mhmmm i don't think we have a specific trope for this type or characcter...
  • September 22, 2012
    aurora369
    The Slayers: Gourry's Lina and Sylphiel. The former is flat-chested and mean, the latter is ample-chested and nice.
  • September 23, 2012
    MorganWick
    Best thing I got is Flat Chests Are Evil, which obviously isn't very descriptive.
  • September 23, 2012
    TheHandle
  • September 23, 2012
    TBeholder
  • September 24, 2012
    aurora369
    ^ she is mean because of a zillion different becauses.
  • November 21, 2012
    blueflame724
    Doesn't this overlap with unlucky busty girl in some sense(though I guess this trope doesn't preclude ending up with the more developed one).

    Technically, she's more of a Hopelss Suitor but Sora from Papa Ikuto definitely embodies the typical violent tsundere. Raika, while cold, is generally a bit nicer.
  • November 21, 2012
    captainpat
    I don't think that Rosario To Vampire is an example. Moka in or not in her vampire mode is pretty busty . This trope should be kept to flat chested and busty characters.
  • November 21, 2012
    Tuckerscreator
    Related to Betty And Veronica? I imagine the flatter Tsundere would be the Veronica while the nicer buxom one would be the Betty.
  • November 27, 2012
    DorianMode
    @captainpat: I would agree with you, but Kurumu's bust comes up a lot (*snicker*) in the manga; she likes to brag. As I recall, a similar dynamic is at play in The Slayers; the Tsundere only has relative A Cup Angst/her "flatness" is an Informed Flaw (not that's it's a flaw...I'll stop talking...)
  • November 28, 2012
    captainpat
    ^ Ok but Moka is not flat chested. Don't just any case where the other love interest is bustier.
  • November 28, 2012
    SeptimusHeap
    This will need a better name. Not everyone knows what a tsundere is.
  • November 28, 2012
    nemui10pm
    ^ I don't think it's too bad, to be honest. It's a widespread term in anime community, and this seems to be an anime trope.

    Related to Lean And Mean?
  • November 29, 2012
    DRCEQ
    ^ The problem is that it doesn't matter how well known or used it is by anime and manga fans, this trope situation isn't something that would only ever be found in Japanese media, and needs a name that caters to everyone. All the other -dere and -giri tropes were renamed because they applied just as much to western media as it did to Japan, and since this is an English site run from the United States, the majority of the users and readers need a more common term to identify with.
  • November 29, 2012
    18TillIDie
    What about Pettanko Destroyer Of Worlds?

    It's still "Japanese" but, frankly, I think the hair-splitting over that is kinda lame anyway :V

    Alternate title: Big Breasts Huge Heart
  • November 29, 2012
    DRCEQ
    Big Breasts Kind Heart would be a bit less literal.
  • November 29, 2012
    MorganWick
    Would imply only half of the trope.

    Pettanko Destroyer Of Worlds is too specific.
  • November 30, 2012
    nemui10pm
    Breast Size And Personality Correlation? Bigger The Breasts Nicer The Girl? It's valid trope and looks promising, but it sure is hard to name.
  • November 30, 2012
    18TillIDie
    This is definitely a trope, I've noticed this before a lot in anime (to a lesser degree, comics, related to Most Common Superpower but I digress) but hows about this:

    Flat Bad Busty Good.

    It's basically "Slender Tsundre, Full Figured Friend" but without the horrible Japaneseness. It's also descriptive of the concept. The problem I see is people being "offended" by the "implication", or some such nonsense.
  • November 30, 2012
    stargirl93
    Another example: Minami and Mizuki from Baka Test, as the Tsundere and Nice Girl respectively. Minami is often the butt of jokes about her chest size, to the point where Yoshii apparently thinks she's a guy at one point. As a result, she frequently beats the crap out of him. Mizuki, on the other hand is very kind and gentle (well, usually) and has huge cleavage.
  • November 30, 2012
    shimaspawn
    Flat Mean Busty Nice is probably clearer than good and bad. Flat Bad Busty Good sounds like Buxom Is Better.
  • December 1, 2012
    DRCEQ
    I still think "Kind" works better than nice. I see "Busty Nice" and I think of a man divulging to his primal instincts over how he likes busty women.

    Maybe if the trope had some sort of punctuation to correlate the two like synonyms. Flat Mean-Busty Nice. Something like that.
  • December 3, 2012
    shimaspawn
    Flat Mean Busty Kind is good. Probably with a comma between them.
  • December 3, 2012
    SeptimusHeap
    Looks good for me as well.
  • December 7, 2012
    DorianMode
    So we'll go with that for the moment, but as some have pointed out, the less full-figured characters aren't always "flat" per se.
  • December 7, 2012
    shimaspawn
    Flatter then maybe?
  • December 7, 2012
    Desertopa
  • December 8, 2012
    dwarvenlord
    "big ones good flat ones bad" can also be a nice title :D
  • December 8, 2012
    Onitatsu
    In Rurouni Kenshin we have Kaoru (flat and bad tempered) and Megumi (who doesn't really have huge knockers, though looks older and more feminine but at the same time is sweeter) towards Kenshin. Does this count?
  • December 8, 2012
    MorganWick
    ^^Too much potential for confusion with Buxom Is Better.
  • December 9, 2012
    legendofhugh
    I believe Meryl (flat) and Milly (busty) from Trigun fit this trope.
  • December 9, 2012
    Onitatsu
    ^^ Nope. Buxom Is Better is when a woman is considered beautiful because of her large breasts. This is when a big-breasted character is portrayed as more maternal and nice. Plus, Buxom Is Better is a trope centered on a single character, while this trope implies a necessary dualism: it refers to two character, one flat and harsher and another one buxom and nicer. Which leads me to... does this trope have to be about love interests, or can be about two random female characters in a group? If the latter example is valid, then:

    • In Bleach, we have the flat-chested Rukia (who's while generally nice, can be very strict and harsh sometimes) and the much more well-endowed Orihime, who's one of the nicest characters in Universe. Another non-love interest related example is given by Sui Feng (Flat and mean) and Yoruichi (has a bigger chest and is considerably nicer).
  • December 10, 2012
    MorganWick
    ...I was specifically replying to a specific title suggestion...
  • December 14, 2012
    captainpat
    That Bleach is definitely shoehorning. Those two characters aren't in a love triangle. Also if megumi from Rurouni Kenshin doesn't have large breasts then that's also shoehorning.
  • December 14, 2012
    TheHandle
    The current title is absolutely horrible and a hatred magnet.
  • December 14, 2012
    Onitatsu
    ^^ I don't see a reason why this trope must be religiously applied only and only to love interests. The Bleach example above shows that it can also be applied outside of the restrictive love-interest scheme.
  • December 14, 2012
    captainpat
    ^ Because that's what the laconic says. Also those two character do not spend that much time together.
  • December 14, 2012
    Onitatsu
    SO, Laconic is automatically the Word of GOD himself? The Ultimate Judge? For god's sake, the description even starts with "I don't know what it says about me or my taste in Anime that I noticed this, but here goes: ". Laconic can be changed. I'm pretty confident that changing a laconic and a trope won't cause the death of a thousand children.
  • December 14, 2012
    shimaspawn
    I don't think it needs to be love interests, but they very much need to be a pair of foils.
  • December 14, 2012
    captainpat
    Well you should discuss that with the OP. Though expanding this trope's definition is kinda pointless as we have two on-going ykttw that would cover that. here and here. Really don't need a third one.
  • December 14, 2012
    Onitatsu
    Those two links above are mostly the same trope. At least this does have a better... how-can-I-say.... "raison d'etre". If we build this as "Bad Tempered flatties vs gentle buxoms", focusing on the relationship between gentle behaviour and breast size, then I think it might be more plausible or acceptable than the two above. At least, this is my opinion.
  • December 14, 2012
    Ryusui
  • December 14, 2012
    Onitatsu
    That would make this slightly slide to "Kindness proprtional to Kindness". Not that it wouldn't work, mind you...
  • January 12, 2015
    DorianMode
    I just noticed hair-color seems to be part of it, too. As noted in Yamato Nadeshiko, traditionally Japanese hair can be part of the character-type. I've modified the entries to reflect that, changed the title (are we still avoiding Japanese terminology like it was drug-resistant TB?) and added a SAO entry.
  • January 12, 2015
    Koveras
    Sounds like a more specific version of Hair Contrast Duo.
  • January 12, 2015
    DAN004
    Too Specific To Trope?

    Kinda thinking we need Nice Busty Girl to complement Tiny Tyrannical Girl.
  • January 12, 2015
    Daefaroth
    ^I would almost wonder if it wasn't just a coincidence. With a large enough reference pool, and there is a lot of anime out there, you are just as likely to find this as the opposite or not see either case.

    Is the trope really that large breasted women are nice and flat chested women are mean? Can anyone say Unfortunate Implications? It probably shows a lot of Author Appeal as well.
  • January 12, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ the trope starts with Tiny Tyrannical Girl (or Shana Clone); the appeal is in the inherent irony (small yet controlling) as well as how it often signifies that the girl is Compensating For Something.

    Thus, as contrast, a busty girl who's nice is made. Frequently as a nice big sis/mom type. Purely for contrast reasons mind you - thus yeah, I guess we don't need Nice Busty girl and instead we need Mean Petite Nice Busty.

    And I think they don't have to be somebody's love interests, although they often do. At their core, they're foils.

    An example!
    • El Sword: The first two female playable characters are Aisha the petite, abrasive magician and Rena, the motherly busty elf. The former is always jealous of the latter's breasts.
  • January 12, 2015
    jamespolk
    Buxom Is Nicer

    Although I tend to agree that all the many problems suggested above—Author Appeal, Unfortunate Implications, the general movement of the wiki away from fetish tropes, etc.
  • January 17, 2015
    DorianMode
    Buxom Is Kinder? To avoid the ambiguity of the word "nice?"

    Whether or not there are Unfortunate Implications -and I don't disagree that there are- the question is whether this is a specific narrative phenomenon worth mentioning. But isn't it our job, not to criticize per se but to identify and catalog, to make criticism easier? If you think it's gross how often x media does y, we're here to tell you all the times it's happened.
  • January 17, 2015
    DAN004
    Gonna take this over.
  • January 17, 2015
    jamespolk
    Buxom Is Nicer.

    Mine is the best idea. Hear me, TV Tropes!

    In any event, the word "tsundere", being arcane terminology only familiar to anime fans, should not be part of the name of this trope. I am adding a Better Name tag.
  • January 17, 2015
    DAN004
    ...oops, I took back what I said, looks like the OP's still there ^^;

    Again, I'm suggesting keeping this about a foil of abrasive loli and polite buxom, especially since rhe latter seems to be made just for contrast reasons.

    And I don't think the hair color is significant to this trope, since we already have Hair Contrast Duo. Overlaps are possible though.
  • January 19, 2015
    emillang1000
    ^ I'm pretty sure Tsundere is a fairly well-known term these days. Maybe mostly to people aged 30 and lower, but it's definitely not obscure.

    Still, maybe Buxom Saint Washboard Terror might be a good name. It at least gives a Red Oni Blue Oni or Tomboy And Girly Girl vibe of "A vs B". In this case a kindly busty girl (Buxom Saint) vs a flat-chested tsundere (Washboard Terror).
  • January 19, 2015
    DorianMode
    I didn't know about Hair Contrast Duo. There's not really a lot of overlap, though: in fact, the general pattern here is the opposite of what's described on that page (in terms of personality), and that trope usually applies to romantic couples, rather than romantic foils. @DAN 004: The majority of the less-endowed examples would not be considered "loli".
  • January 19, 2015
    DAN004
    ^ Come to think of it, would this trope count 2 friends (or even lesbians) as well? At least my suggested example covers 2 friends.

    If you think "loli" is wrong then Mean Petite Nice Busty is better. Or Mean Slender Nice Busty.

    Dunno, but is Asuna (SAO) really a tsundere? She's also technically well-endowed... but I guess relative cases count anyway (Sugu is more well-endowed, I see)

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