Created By: FuzzyWulfe on April 14, 2013 Last Edited By: Arivne on July 26, 2016

Base Form Training

Improving the base stats to power up the phlebotinum.

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When a character has a Super Form or Powered Armor that derives its strength from the owner's base stats, they will train themselves in their base form to create phenomenal increase with their Super Form or Powered Armor. Can also include super moves or techniques that allow short-term boosts to a single attack or handicapping oneself in some way that requires even greater strength to overcome.

This includes any video game with some kind of Limit Break or Hour of Power form that is calculated using the character's stats.


Examples

Anime and Manga
  • Dragon Ball Z
    • Goku would train without transformations and rely on weighted clothes and gravity chambers to improve his body and power level so that his transformations became even stronger.
    • Piccolo's Split Form Technique would equally divide his strength amongst each body, but sparring with himself helped him push his limits faster so that he would be stronger once merged again.
  • In YuYu Hakusho, Yusuke was given Spirit Cuffs by Genkai during the Dark Tournament that required him to use his spirit energy to counter the resistance of the bindings as a way to rapidly increase his Spirit Power.
  • In One Piece, Rob Lucci of CP 9 references this trope when describing Zoan-type Devil Fruit as the ideal fruits to use for physical combat as your transformed states have increased power compared to the base human form.

Comic Books
  • She-Hulk has been depicted, initially in Dan Slott's run on the title, as working out in her normal human Jennifer Walters body since her She-Hulk body's strength has an exponential relationship to her human strength.
  • Eddie Brock works out so that Venom will be even stronger.

Video Games
  • Inversion with Kingdom Hearts II, Sora's Drive Forms unlock abilities in his regular form as they are leveled up.
  • The Pokémon games invoke this. Unevolved Pokemon with the same movesets as their evolved forms learn attacks at earlier levels, so sometimes its best to stay unevolved and get your ultimate attack 10 levels early and then evolve so all your stats can go up. This is especially true for Pokemon that evolve by evolutionary stone since that kind of forced evolution results in losing the ability to learn attacks by leveling up. This is referenced in the TV show with Ash's Pikachu outdoing Raichu's that evolved too early.

Real Life
  • Any instance of Powered Armor that multiplies the wearer's efforts or abilities, like current real life projects.

Community Feedback Replies: 25
  • April 16, 2013
    FuzzyWulfe
    bump
  • April 16, 2013
    Larkmarn
    Marvel's Venom works out in his base form because the symbiote increases his natural strength exponentially.
  • April 17, 2013
    FuzzyWulfe
    bump
  • April 19, 2013
    FuzzyWulfe
    bump
  • April 22, 2013
    Damr1990
    Goku from Dragon Ball has this as his standard training mode, despite having his Super Saiyan Form and being able to maintain it for almost as long as he wants, he usually preffers training on base form, usually with some short of weighted clothes or augmented gravity device
  • April 22, 2013
    randomsurfer
    The She Hulk example seems to be missing some words at the end. "...since her She-Hulk form" what?
  • April 27, 2013
    FuzzyWulfe
    bump
  • June 3, 2013
    FuzzyWulfe
    bump
  • June 3, 2013
    Damr1990
    Inverted with Naruto uses his Shadow Clone Technique to obtain the equivalent of years of training in a few days, since every copy's expierence adds up to the original after they dissipate
  • June 3, 2013
    UltramarineAlizarin
    ^ Not quite sure if that applies since I don't see the Shadow Clones as a super mode. I know Naruto does get some actual super modes later on, but I'm not familiar enough to know specifics.

    What I would call an inversion is in Kingdom Hearts II, where leveling up Sora's Drive Forms unlocks abilities he can use in his normal state.
  • June 4, 2013
    crazysamaritan
    Piccolo's split form is the same as naruto's shadow clones. Technique that allows multiple forms, used as training. Not a super form.
  • June 4, 2013
    sgamer82
    (didn't mean to double-entry, my bad)
  • June 4, 2013
    sgamer82
    • In One Piece, Rob Lucci of CP9 references this trope when describing Zoan-type Devil Fruit as the ideal fruits to use for physical combat as your transformed states have increased power compared to the base human form.
  • June 4, 2013
    FuzzyWulfe
    I included Piccolo for a similar reason to Yu Yu Hakusho, and I may have to redo the description to make it more apparent. If you look at a character handicapping themselves in a mostly general fashion as being in their base form and the super form being their super form, my suggested trope would apply. I believe it can include those as I don't believe there is any other trope that deals with it. Piccolo's split form spreads his power between themselves, so each is weaker than his single form. Not sure how Naruto's Shadow Clones compare, though I know they don't take a lot to disappear but seem to be close to his normal ability levels. It's all ultimately up to debate of course.
  • June 4, 2013
    acrobox
    • The Pokemon Games invoke this. Unevolved Pokemon with the same movesets as their evolved forms learn attacks at earlier levels, so sometimes its best to stay unevolved and get your ultimate attack 10 levels early and then evolve so all your stats can go up.
      • This is especially true for Pokemon that evolve by evolutionary stone since that kind of forced evolution results in losing the ability to learn attacks by leveling up. This is referenced in the TV show with Ash's Pikachu outdoing Raichu's that evolved too early.
  • June 7, 2013
    crazysamaritan
    ^^ Yu Yu Hakusho is Power Limiter; restraints used to weaken character, possibly to use as training, but not exclusively. Base Form Training is, with that name, not training at a weaker form.
  • June 7, 2013
    FuzzyWulfe
    This could be expanded to include uses of such items as a training method. The main idea is training in a form you might not engage in actual combat with because it provides a greater gain in skills or powers.
  • June 8, 2013
    crazysamaritan
    That's not even a trope. Your name/description are a trope. EVERY example you have is a form that the character has used in "actual combat".
  • June 9, 2013
    FuzzyWulfe
    My idea is more of a training trope. The idea of getting greater gains or usage out of a combat form/superform by training in a weakened state or base form. The name is just the best I could come up with.
  • June 9, 2013
    crazysamaritan
    Power Limiter is already created for training in a weakened state. Redundant troping is not a virtue.

    Piccolo and Naruto used clone techniques as combat methods first, then used those combat techniques to provide training by fighting against themselves. Depending on your perspective, either both are using a "multiple body form" to train, and improve their "base form", or both are still using their same form. A "weakened state" is irrelevant for determining "base form", and invites confusion between tropes, leading to misuse, and eventually Trope Repair Shop threads and fixing.

    You do have a good basis of a trope here, so long as you don't try to expand it too much. I haven't seen "base form training" before: it's clearly needed, and used in several forms. I want to send you over to Skills And Training Tropes to see where your new trope fits, in relation to the training tropes we already have. However, that probably needs an update, because a few of our training tropes aren't on the index, and some tropes look like they were sorted wrong. Perhaps you can come up with a better way to sort the examples. I'm busy trying to fix Hell Is That Noise because it was starting to get used for any sounds in a scary story. Lots of examples are getting cut, some re-worded to fit the trope meaning, and the rest are getting moved over to Scare Chord, because editors misused the first trope for the second.
  • June 9, 2013
    KingZeal
  • July 25, 2016
    DAN004
    So is this distinct from Boxing Lessons For Superman or not?
  • July 25, 2016
    rmctagg09
    ^
  • July 26, 2016
    DAN004
    ^ ...?
  • July 26, 2016
    Arivne
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